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Mozilla

2026-03-22T17:51:46Z

AnotherConsumerRightsPerson: ughh

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{{CompanyCargo
|Description=American free software developer known for Firefox and Thunderbird.
|Founded=1998
|Industry=Computing
|Logo=Mozilla logo 2024.png
|ParentCompany=Mozilla Foundation
|Type=Non-profit
|Website=https://www.mozilla.org/
}}
'''{{Wplink|Mozilla}}''' is a {{Wplink|free software}} community which develops, publishes and supports open-source software. The community is supported institutionally by the non-profit {{Wplink|Mozilla Foundation}} and its tax-paying subsidiary, the {{Wplink|Mozilla Corporation}}.

==Consumer impact summary==
{{Ph-C-CIS}}

===Mozilla Manifesto===
Mozilla has published the community Manifesto, with 10 key principles:<ref>{{Cite web |author= |title=The Mozilla Manifesto |url=https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/manifesto/details/ |website=Mozilla |date= |access-date=1 Mar 2026 |url-status=live |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20251223055636/https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/manifesto/details/ |archive-date=23 Dec 2025}}</ref>
<blockquote>#The internet is an integral part of modern life—a key component in education, communication, collaboration, business, entertainment and society as a whole.
#The internet is a global public resource that must remain open and accessible.
#The internet must enrich the lives of individual human beings.
#Individuals’ security and privacy on the internet are fundamental and must not be treated as optional.
#Individuals must have the ability to shape the internet and their own experiences on the internet.
#The effectiveness of the internet as a public resource depends upon interoperability (protocols, data formats, content), innovation and decentralized participation worldwide.
#Free and open source software promotes the development of the internet as a public resource.
#Transparent community-based processes promote participation, accountability and trust.
#Commercial involvement in the development of the internet brings many benefits; a balance between commercial profit and public benefit is critical.
#Magnifying the public benefit aspects of the internet is an important goal, worthy of time, attention and commitment.</blockquote>

==Incidents==
This is a list of all consumer-protection incidents this company is involved in. Any incidents not mentioned here can be found in the [[:Category:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|{{PAGENAME}} category]].

===Mr Robot promotional web extension (''2017'')===
In December 2017 Mozilla, in collaboration with the Mr Robot team, created and included by default a web extension in [[Firefox]] called Looking Glass.<ref name=":1">{{Cite web |author= |title=Mozilla addressing the Looking glass incident |url=https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/retrospective-looking-glass/ |website=Mozilla |date=30 Jan 2018 |access-date=1 Mar 2026 |url-status=live |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20250331150343/https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/retrospective-looking-glass/ |archive-date=31 Mar 2025}}</ref> While the extension was disabled by default, many users were confused and worried to discover a unknown extension installed in their browser with a cryptic description "MY REALITY IS JUST DIFFERENT THAN YOURS".<ref>{{Cite web |author=Beer_Doctor |title=What is Looking Glass. |url=https://old.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/7jh9rv/what_is_looking_glass/ |website=[[Reddit]] |date=13 Dec 2017 |access-date=1 Mar 2026 |url-status=live |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20230610080325/https://old.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/7jh9rv/what_is_looking_glass/ |archive-date=10 Jun 2023}}</ref> This description was later expanded to include references to Mozilla's collaboration.<ref>{{Cite web |author=gregglind |title=v1.0.4, fixes ui, changes id, expanded description. |url=https://github.com/mozilla/addon-wr/commit/21ff53d2d5baab591d29b4ea5847d74cb6901b2c |website=GitHub |date=14 Dec 2017 |access-date=1 Mar 2026 |url-status=live |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20250312155431/https://github.com/mozilla/addon-wr/commit/21ff53d2d5baab591d29b4ea5847d74cb6901b2c |archive-date=12 Mar 2025}}</ref>

When activated, the extension executes code on all websites visited by the user, searching for all words matching a list. Every match is then wrapped in HTML span tags,<ref>{{Cite web |author=gregglind |title=Looking Glass extension injecting HTML |url=https://github.com/mozilla/addon-wr/blob/da464ac8f1c3b089405ca96fc68b999d2b624ef4/addon/webextension/content-script.js#L27 |website=GitHub |date=12 Dec 2017 |access-date=1 Mar 2026 |url-status=live |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20250708193135/https://github.com/mozilla/addon-wr/blob/da464ac8f1c3b089405ca96fc68b999d2b624ef4/addon/webextension/content-script.js |archive-date=8 Jul 2025}}</ref> and tooltips are injected to be displayed when the user hovers over these matches. CSS code is injected to make the words appear upside down and the tooltips work.<ref>{{Cite web |author=gregglind |title=Looking Glass extension injecting CSS |url=https://github.com/mozilla/addon-wr/blob/da464ac8f1c3b089405ca96fc68b999d2b624ef4/addon/webextension/background.js#L78 |website=GitHub |date=12 Dec 2017 |access-date=1 Mar 2026 |url-status=live |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20250708193126/https://github.com/mozilla/addon-wr/blob/da464ac8f1c3b089405ca96fc68b999d2b624ef4/addon/webextension/background.js |archive-date=8 Jul 2025}}</ref> Also three specific websites did have their headers changed to have a value "x-1057" injected.

While the extension could on rare occasion break some website with the HTML and CSS injection, it did not do anything malicious or dangerous. The extension was not collecting any personal information at all, but Mozilla admitted it had made a mistake in its response addressing the issue:<ref name=":1" />
<blockquote>'''A SHIELD study must be designed to answer a specific question.''' 

We evaluated Looking Glass based on whether or not it upheld user privacy. Since it did not collect any data, we felt that it was safe. In retrospect, not capturing data was a strong indicator that this was not a good SHIELD study candidate, so we’re making sure we’re going to specifically evaluate future studies based on this criteria to ensure that we don’t repeat our mistake.</blockquote>

===Anonym acquisition (''June 2024'')===
In June 2024, Mozilla became an advertiser by acquiring Anonym, a company claiming to be a privacy-preserving digital advertiser, potentially going against its mission of being a proponent of privacy.<ref>{{Cite web |last=Chambers |first=Laura |title=Introducing Anonym: Raising the Bar for Privacy-Preserving Digital Advertising |url=https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/mozilla-anonym-raising-the-bar-for-privacy-preserving-digital-advertising/ |website=Mozilla |date=16 Jun 2024 |access-date=1 Mar 2026 |url-status=live |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20240617084245/https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/mozilla-anonym-raising-the-bar-for-privacy-preserving-digital-advertising/ |archive-date=17 Jun 2024}}</ref>

===Privacy-preserving attribution (''July 2024'')===
Privacy-preserving attribution (PPA) is an experimental feature introduced in Firefox version 128, designed to help advertising sites measure the performance of their ads while maintaining user privacy. It is marketed as an alternative method for performing attribution without relying on online tracking of users' browsing activity, which is incompatible with privacy. The functionality is explained on the Mozilla support page as follows:<ref name=":0">{{Cite web |author= |title=Privacy-Preserving Attribution |url=https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/privacy-preserving-attribution#w_how-can-i-disable-ppa |website=Mozilla |date=2024 |access-date=1 Mar 2026 |url-status=live |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20240617221145/https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/privacy-preserving-attribution#w_how-can-i-disable-ppa |archive-date=17 Jun 2024}}</ref>
<blockquote>#Websites that show you ads can ask Firefox to remember these ads. When this happens, Firefox stores an “impression” which contains a little bit of information about the ad, including a destination website.
#If you visit the destination website and do something that the website considers to be important enough to count (a “conversion”), that website can ask Firefox to generate a report. The destination website specifies what ads it is interested in.
#Firefox creates a report based on what the website asks, but does not give the result to the website. Instead, Firefox encrypts the report and anonymously submits it using the Distributed Aggregation Protocol (DAP) to an “aggregation service”.
#Your results are combined with many similar reports by the aggregation service. The destination website periodically receives a summary of the reports. The summary includes noise that provides differential privacy.</blockquote>

Browsing activity information is not sent to anyone, not even Mozilla. Users with PPA enabled, however, must rely solely on the company to honor principle number 4 in its Manifesto:<ref name=":0" />
<blockquote>PPA does not involve sending information about your browsing activities to anyone. This includes Mozilla and our DAP partner (ISRG). Advertisers only receive aggregate information that answers basic questions about the effectiveness of their advertising.</blockquote>

This feature does not allow users to make an informed decision and choose whether to opt in or not, as it is enabled by default and requires that the user actively opt out.<ref>{{Cite web |last=Naprys |first=Ernestas |title=Firefox’s new data collection feature sparks user backlash: here’s how to disable it |url=https://cybernews.com/privacy/firefox-data-collection-feature-sparks-backlash/ |website=cybernews |date=16 Jul 2024 |access-date=1 Mar 2026 |url-status=live |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20240716125552/https://cybernews.com/privacy/firefox-data-collection-feature-sparks-backlash/ |archive-date=16 Jul 2024}}</ref> This goes against principle number 8 of the Manifesto.

===Removing the "We don't sell your data" promise (''February 2025'')===
In February 2025, Mozilla started to delete references to their "We don't sell your data" promise from the source code, as first reported on [https://www.haiku-os.org/ Haiku operating system] by developer ''waddlesplash'' on the forum thread for their Firefox/Iceweasel port.<ref>{{Cite web |author=waddlesplash |title=Iceweasel: Telemetry acceptible for Firefox trademarks? |url=https://discuss.haiku-os.org/t/iceweasel-telemetry-acceptible-for-firefox-trademarks/16106/51 |website=Haiku OS |date=27 Feb 2025 |access-date=1 Mar 2026 |url-status=live |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20250708193121/https://discuss.haiku-os.org/t/iceweasel-telemetry-acceptible-for-firefox-trademarks/16106/51 |archive-date=8 Jul 2025}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |author1=Zhu |first=Jingwen |author2=maureenlholland |date=25 Feb 2025 |title=Tos copy updates (fix #16016) |url=https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/commit/d459addab846d8144b61939b7f4310eb80c5470e |url-status=live |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20260111124524/https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/commit/d459addab846d8144b61939b7f4310eb80c5470e |archive-date=11 Jan 2026 |access-date=1 Mar 2026 |website=GitHub}}</ref>

They also switched the wording from "The best privacy" to "Always protected".

===Introducing TOS for Firefox (''February 2025'')===
{{Main|Mozilla introduces TOS to Firefox}}

In February 2025 Mozilla introduced [[terms of use]] (TOS) for the Firefox browser for the first time as well as an updated [[privacy policy]]. The new privacy policy has caused concern among the browser's user base, revolving around how the section that describes the rights Mozilla has over their data is phrased.

==Alternatives==
There are other browsers using the same browser engine as Firefox, but with the telemetry and data gathering removed and privacy-friendly preferences enabled by default. For desktop operating systems, these include [https://librewolf.net/ LibreWolf], [https://mullvad.net/browser Mullvad Browser] and the [https://www.torproject.org/download/ Tor Browser]. On Android, [https://f-droid.org/packages/org.mozilla.fennec_fdroid/ Fennec] is available through the F-Droid store.

Completely free alternative browsers are currently under active development, some of which show promise to become viable, truly independent, open-source browser engines in the foreseeable future. These include the browser initiated by SerenityOS creator Andreas Kling.

As for Thunderbird, some open-source soft forks such as [https://www.betterbird.eu/ BetterBird] are available.

==Products==
*Thunderbird (2003—Present)
*[[Firefox]] (2004—Present)
*Pocket (2017—2025)<ref name="shutdown">{{Cite web |author= |title=Investing in what moves the internet forward |url=https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/building-whats-next/ |website=Mozilla |date=22 May 2025 |access-date=20 Aug 2025 |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250730024535/https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/building-whats-next/ |archive-date=30 Jul 2025}}</ref>
*Fakespot (2021—2025)<ref name="shutdown" />

==See also==
{{Ph-C-SA}}

==References==
{{Reflist}}

[[Category:{{PAGENAME}}]]

Mozilla

2026-03-22T17:51:29Z

AnotherConsumerRightsPerson: not working

{{Incomplete}}
{{CompanyCargo
|Description=American free software developer known for Firefox and Thunderbird.
|Founded=1998
|Industry=Computing
|Logo=Mozilla logo 2024.png
|ParentCompany=Mozilla Foundation
|Type=Non-profit
|Website=https://www.mozilla.org/
}}
'''{{Wplink|Mozilla}}''' is a {{Wplink|free software}}<nowiki> community which develops, publishes and supports open-source software. The community is supported institutionally by the non-profit{{Wplink|Mozilla Foundation}} and its tax-paying subsidiary, the {{Wplink|Mozilla Corporation}}.

==Consumer impact summary==
{{Ph-C-CIS}}

===Mozilla Manifesto===
Mozilla has published the community Manifesto, with 10 key principles:<ref>{{Cite web |author= |title=The Mozilla Manifesto |url=https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/manifesto/details/ |website=Mozilla |date= |access-date=1 Mar 2026 |url-status=live |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20251223055636/https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/manifesto/details/ |archive-date=23 Dec 2025}}</ref>
<blockquote>#The internet is an integral part of modern life—a key component in education, communication, collaboration, business, entertainment and society as a whole.
#The internet is a global public resource that must remain open and accessible.
#The internet must enrich the lives of individual human beings.
#Individuals’ security and privacy on the internet are fundamental and must not be treated as optional.
#Individuals must have the ability to shape the internet and their own experiences on the internet.
#The effectiveness of the internet as a public resource depends upon interoperability (protocols, data formats, content), innovation and decentralized participation worldwide.
#Free and open source software promotes the development of the internet as a public resource.
#Transparent community-based processes promote participation, accountability and trust.
#Commercial involvement in the development of the internet brings many benefits; a balance between commercial profit and public benefit is critical.
#Magnifying the public benefit aspects of the internet is an important goal, worthy of time, attention and commitment.</blockquote>

==Incidents==
This is a list of all consumer-protection incidents this company is involved in. Any incidents not mentioned here can be found in the [[:Category:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|{{PAGENAME}} category]].

===Mr Robot promotional web extension (''2017'')===
In December 2017 Mozilla, in collaboration with the Mr Robot team, created and included by default a web extension in [[Firefox]] called Looking Glass.<ref name=":1">{{Cite web |author= |title=Mozilla addressing the Looking glass incident |url=https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/retrospective-looking-glass/ |website=Mozilla |date=30 Jan 2018 |access-date=1 Mar 2026 |url-status=live |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20250331150343/https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/retrospective-looking-glass/ |archive-date=31 Mar 2025}}</ref> While the extension was disabled by default, many users were confused and worried to discover a unknown extension installed in their browser with a cryptic description "MY REALITY IS JUST DIFFERENT THAN YOURS".<ref>{{Cite web |author=Beer_Doctor |title=What is Looking Glass. |url=https://old.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/7jh9rv/what_is_looking_glass/ |website=[[Reddit]] |date=13 Dec 2017 |access-date=1 Mar 2026 |url-status=live |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20230610080325/https://old.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/7jh9rv/what_is_looking_glass/ |archive-date=10 Jun 2023}}</ref> This description was later expanded to include references to Mozilla's collaboration.<ref>{{Cite web |author=gregglind |title=v1.0.4, fixes ui, changes id, expanded description. |url=https://github.com/mozilla/addon-wr/commit/21ff53d2d5baab591d29b4ea5847d74cb6901b2c |website=GitHub |date=14 Dec 2017 |access-date=1 Mar 2026 |url-status=live |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20250312155431/https://github.com/mozilla/addon-wr/commit/21ff53d2d5baab591d29b4ea5847d74cb6901b2c |archive-date=12 Mar 2025}}</ref>

When activated, the extension executes code on all websites visited by the user, searching for all words matching a list. Every match is then wrapped in HTML span tags,<ref>{{Cite web |author=gregglind |title=Looking Glass extension injecting HTML |url=https://github.com/mozilla/addon-wr/blob/da464ac8f1c3b089405ca96fc68b999d2b624ef4/addon/webextension/content-script.js#L27 |website=GitHub |date=12 Dec 2017 |access-date=1 Mar 2026 |url-status=live |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20250708193135/https://github.com/mozilla/addon-wr/blob/da464ac8f1c3b089405ca96fc68b999d2b624ef4/addon/webextension/content-script.js |archive-date=8 Jul 2025}}</ref> and tooltips are injected to be displayed when the user hovers over these matches. CSS code is injected to make the words appear upside down and the tooltips work.<ref>{{Cite web |author=gregglind |title=Looking Glass extension injecting CSS |url=https://github.com/mozilla/addon-wr/blob/da464ac8f1c3b089405ca96fc68b999d2b624ef4/addon/webextension/background.js#L78 |website=GitHub |date=12 Dec 2017 |access-date=1 Mar 2026 |url-status=live |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20250708193126/https://github.com/mozilla/addon-wr/blob/da464ac8f1c3b089405ca96fc68b999d2b624ef4/addon/webextension/background.js |archive-date=8 Jul 2025}}</ref> Also three specific websites did have their headers changed to have a value "x-1057" injected.

While the extension could on rare occasion break some website with the HTML and CSS injection, it did not do anything malicious or dangerous. The extension was not collecting any personal information at all, but Mozilla admitted it had made a mistake in its response addressing the issue:<ref name=":1" />
<blockquote>'''A SHIELD study must be designed to answer a specific question.''' 

We evaluated Looking Glass based on whether or not it upheld user privacy. Since it did not collect any data, we felt that it was safe. In retrospect, not capturing data was a strong indicator that this was not a good SHIELD study candidate, so we’re making sure we’re going to specifically evaluate future studies based on this criteria to ensure that we don’t repeat our mistake.</blockquote>

===Anonym acquisition (''June 2024'')===
In June 2024, Mozilla became an advertiser by acquiring Anonym, a company claiming to be a privacy-preserving digital advertiser, potentially going against its mission of being a proponent of privacy.<ref>{{Cite web |last=Chambers |first=Laura |title=Introducing Anonym: Raising the Bar for Privacy-Preserving Digital Advertising |url=https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/mozilla-anonym-raising-the-bar-for-privacy-preserving-digital-advertising/ |website=Mozilla |date=16 Jun 2024 |access-date=1 Mar 2026 |url-status=live |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20240617084245/https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/mozilla-anonym-raising-the-bar-for-privacy-preserving-digital-advertising/ |archive-date=17 Jun 2024}}</ref>

===Privacy-preserving attribution (''July 2024'')===
Privacy-preserving attribution (PPA) is an experimental feature introduced in Firefox version 128, designed to help advertising sites measure the performance of their ads while maintaining user privacy. It is marketed as an alternative method for performing attribution without relying on online tracking of users' browsing activity, which is incompatible with privacy. The functionality is explained on the Mozilla support page as follows:<ref name=":0">{{Cite web |author= |title=Privacy-Preserving Attribution |url=https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/privacy-preserving-attribution#w_how-can-i-disable-ppa |website=Mozilla |date=2024 |access-date=1 Mar 2026 |url-status=live |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20240617221145/https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/privacy-preserving-attribution#w_how-can-i-disable-ppa |archive-date=17 Jun 2024}}</ref>
<blockquote>#Websites that show you ads can ask Firefox to remember these ads. When this happens, Firefox stores an “impression” which contains a little bit of information about the ad, including a destination website.
#If you visit the destination website and do something that the website considers to be important enough to count (a “conversion”), that website can ask Firefox to generate a report. The destination website specifies what ads it is interested in.
#Firefox creates a report based on what the website asks, but does not give the result to the website. Instead, Firefox encrypts the report and anonymously submits it using the Distributed Aggregation Protocol (DAP) to an “aggregation service”.
#Your results are combined with many similar reports by the aggregation service. The destination website periodically receives a summary of the reports. The summary includes noise that provides differential privacy.</blockquote>

Browsing activity information is not sent to anyone, not even Mozilla. Users with PPA enabled, however, must rely solely on the company to honor principle number 4 in its Manifesto:<ref name=":0" />
<blockquote>PPA does not involve sending information about your browsing activities to anyone. This includes Mozilla and our DAP partner (ISRG). Advertisers only receive aggregate information that answers basic questions about the effectiveness of their advertising.</blockquote>

This feature does not allow users to make an informed decision and choose whether to opt in or not, as it is enabled by default and requires that the user actively opt out.<ref>{{Cite web |last=Naprys |first=Ernestas |title=Firefox’s new data collection feature sparks user backlash: here’s how to disable it |url=https://cybernews.com/privacy/firefox-data-collection-feature-sparks-backlash/ |website=cybernews |date=16 Jul 2024 |access-date=1 Mar 2026 |url-status=live |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20240716125552/https://cybernews.com/privacy/firefox-data-collection-feature-sparks-backlash/ |archive-date=16 Jul 2024}}</ref> This goes against principle number 8 of the Manifesto.

===Removing the "We don't sell your data" promise (''February 2025'')===
In February 2025, Mozilla started to delete references to their "We don't sell your data" promise from the source code, as first reported on [https://www.haiku-os.org/ Haiku operating system] by developer ''waddlesplash'' on the forum thread for their Firefox/Iceweasel port.<ref>{{Cite web |author=waddlesplash |title=Iceweasel: Telemetry acceptible for Firefox trademarks? |url=https://discuss.haiku-os.org/t/iceweasel-telemetry-acceptible-for-firefox-trademarks/16106/51 |website=Haiku OS |date=27 Feb 2025 |access-date=1 Mar 2026 |url-status=live |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20250708193121/https://discuss.haiku-os.org/t/iceweasel-telemetry-acceptible-for-firefox-trademarks/16106/51 |archive-date=8 Jul 2025}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |author1=Zhu |first=Jingwen |author2=maureenlholland |date=25 Feb 2025 |title=Tos copy updates (fix #16016) |url=https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/commit/d459addab846d8144b61939b7f4310eb80c5470e |url-status=live |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20260111124524/https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/commit/d459addab846d8144b61939b7f4310eb80c5470e |archive-date=11 Jan 2026 |access-date=1 Mar 2026 |website=GitHub}}</ref>

They also switched the wording from "The best privacy" to "Always protected".

===Introducing TOS for Firefox (''February 2025'')===
{{Main|Mozilla introduces TOS to Firefox}}

In February 2025 Mozilla introduced [[terms of use]] (TOS) for the Firefox browser for the first time as well as an updated [[privacy policy]]. The new privacy policy has caused concern among the browser's user base, revolving around how the section that describes the rights Mozilla has over their data is phrased.

==Alternatives==
There are other browsers using the same browser engine as Firefox, but with the telemetry and data gathering removed and privacy-friendly preferences enabled by default. For desktop operating systems, these include [https://librewolf.net/ LibreWolf], [https://mullvad.net/browser Mullvad Browser] and the [https://www.torproject.org/download/ Tor Browser]. On Android, [https://f-droid.org/packages/org.mozilla.fennec_fdroid/ Fennec] is available through the F-Droid store.

Completely free alternative browsers are currently under active development, some of which show promise to become viable, truly independent, open-source browser engines in the foreseeable future. These include the browser initiated by SerenityOS creator Andreas Kling.

As for Thunderbird, some open-source soft forks such as [https://www.betterbird.eu/ BetterBird] are available.

==Products==
*Thunderbird (2003—Present)
*[[Firefox]] (2004—Present)
*Pocket (2017—2025)<ref name="shutdown">{{Cite web |author= |title=Investing in what moves the internet forward |url=https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/building-whats-next/ |website=Mozilla |date=22 May 2025 |access-date=20 Aug 2025 |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250730024535/https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/building-whats-next/ |archive-date=30 Jul 2025}}</ref>
*Fakespot (2021—2025)<ref name="shutdown" />

==See also==
{{Ph-C-SA}}

==References==
{{Reflist}}

[[Category:{{PAGENAME}}]]

Mozilla

2026-03-22T17:45:49Z

AnotherConsumerRightsPerson: fix mistake

{{Incomplete}}
{{CompanyCargo
|Description=American free software developer known for Firefox and Thunderbird.
|Founded=1998
|Industry=Computing
|Logo=Mozilla logo 2024.png
|ParentCompany=Mozilla Foundation
|Type=Non-profit
|Website=https://www.mozilla.org/
}}
'''{{Wplink|Mozilla}}''' is a {{Wplink|free software}}<nowiki> community which develops, publishes and supports open-source software. The community is supported institutionally by the {{Wplink|Nonprofit organization|non-profit}} </nowiki>{{Wplink|Mozilla Foundation}} and its tax-paying subsidiary, the {{Wplink|Mozilla Corporation}}.

==Consumer impact summary==
{{Ph-C-CIS}}

===Mozilla Manifesto===
Mozilla has published the community Manifesto, with 10 key principles:<ref>{{Cite web |author= |title=The Mozilla Manifesto |url=https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/manifesto/details/ |website=Mozilla |date= |access-date=1 Mar 2026 |url-status=live |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20251223055636/https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/manifesto/details/ |archive-date=23 Dec 2025}}</ref>
<blockquote>#The internet is an integral part of modern life—a key component in education, communication, collaboration, business, entertainment and society as a whole.
#The internet is a global public resource that must remain open and accessible.
#The internet must enrich the lives of individual human beings.
#Individuals’ security and privacy on the internet are fundamental and must not be treated as optional.
#Individuals must have the ability to shape the internet and their own experiences on the internet.
#The effectiveness of the internet as a public resource depends upon interoperability (protocols, data formats, content), innovation and decentralized participation worldwide.
#Free and open source software promotes the development of the internet as a public resource.
#Transparent community-based processes promote participation, accountability and trust.
#Commercial involvement in the development of the internet brings many benefits; a balance between commercial profit and public benefit is critical.
#Magnifying the public benefit aspects of the internet is an important goal, worthy of time, attention and commitment.</blockquote>

==Incidents==
This is a list of all consumer-protection incidents this company is involved in. Any incidents not mentioned here can be found in the [[:Category:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|{{PAGENAME}} category]].

===Mr Robot promotional web extension (''2017'')===
In December 2017 Mozilla, in collaboration with the Mr Robot team, created and included by default a web extension in [[Firefox]] called Looking Glass.<ref name=":1">{{Cite web |author= |title=Mozilla addressing the Looking glass incident |url=https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/retrospective-looking-glass/ |website=Mozilla |date=30 Jan 2018 |access-date=1 Mar 2026 |url-status=live |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20250331150343/https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/retrospective-looking-glass/ |archive-date=31 Mar 2025}}</ref> While the extension was disabled by default, many users were confused and worried to discover a unknown extension installed in their browser with a cryptic description "MY REALITY IS JUST DIFFERENT THAN YOURS".<ref>{{Cite web |author=Beer_Doctor |title=What is Looking Glass. |url=https://old.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/7jh9rv/what_is_looking_glass/ |website=[[Reddit]] |date=13 Dec 2017 |access-date=1 Mar 2026 |url-status=live |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20230610080325/https://old.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/7jh9rv/what_is_looking_glass/ |archive-date=10 Jun 2023}}</ref> This description was later expanded to include references to Mozilla's collaboration.<ref>{{Cite web |author=gregglind |title=v1.0.4, fixes ui, changes id, expanded description. |url=https://github.com/mozilla/addon-wr/commit/21ff53d2d5baab591d29b4ea5847d74cb6901b2c |website=GitHub |date=14 Dec 2017 |access-date=1 Mar 2026 |url-status=live |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20250312155431/https://github.com/mozilla/addon-wr/commit/21ff53d2d5baab591d29b4ea5847d74cb6901b2c |archive-date=12 Mar 2025}}</ref>

When activated, the extension executes code on all websites visited by the user, searching for all words matching a list. Every match is then wrapped in HTML span tags,<ref>{{Cite web |author=gregglind |title=Looking Glass extension injecting HTML |url=https://github.com/mozilla/addon-wr/blob/da464ac8f1c3b089405ca96fc68b999d2b624ef4/addon/webextension/content-script.js#L27 |website=GitHub |date=12 Dec 2017 |access-date=1 Mar 2026 |url-status=live |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20250708193135/https://github.com/mozilla/addon-wr/blob/da464ac8f1c3b089405ca96fc68b999d2b624ef4/addon/webextension/content-script.js |archive-date=8 Jul 2025}}</ref> and tooltips are injected to be displayed when the user hovers over these matches. CSS code is injected to make the words appear upside down and the tooltips work.<ref>{{Cite web |author=gregglind |title=Looking Glass extension injecting CSS |url=https://github.com/mozilla/addon-wr/blob/da464ac8f1c3b089405ca96fc68b999d2b624ef4/addon/webextension/background.js#L78 |website=GitHub |date=12 Dec 2017 |access-date=1 Mar 2026 |url-status=live |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20250708193126/https://github.com/mozilla/addon-wr/blob/da464ac8f1c3b089405ca96fc68b999d2b624ef4/addon/webextension/background.js |archive-date=8 Jul 2025}}</ref> Also three specific websites did have their headers changed to have a value "x-1057" injected.

While the extension could on rare occasion break some website with the HTML and CSS injection, it did not do anything malicious or dangerous. The extension was not collecting any personal information at all, but Mozilla admitted it had made a mistake in its response addressing the issue:<ref name=":1" />
<blockquote>'''A SHIELD study must be designed to answer a specific question.''' 

We evaluated Looking Glass based on whether or not it upheld user privacy. Since it did not collect any data, we felt that it was safe. In retrospect, not capturing data was a strong indicator that this was not a good SHIELD study candidate, so we’re making sure we’re going to specifically evaluate future studies based on this criteria to ensure that we don’t repeat our mistake.</blockquote>

===Anonym acquisition (''June 2024'')===
In June 2024, Mozilla became an advertiser by acquiring Anonym, a company claiming to be a privacy-preserving digital advertiser, potentially going against its mission of being a proponent of privacy.<ref>{{Cite web |last=Chambers |first=Laura |title=Introducing Anonym: Raising the Bar for Privacy-Preserving Digital Advertising |url=https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/mozilla-anonym-raising-the-bar-for-privacy-preserving-digital-advertising/ |website=Mozilla |date=16 Jun 2024 |access-date=1 Mar 2026 |url-status=live |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20240617084245/https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/mozilla-anonym-raising-the-bar-for-privacy-preserving-digital-advertising/ |archive-date=17 Jun 2024}}</ref>

===Privacy-preserving attribution (''July 2024'')===
Privacy-preserving attribution (PPA) is an experimental feature introduced in Firefox version 128, designed to help advertising sites measure the performance of their ads while maintaining user privacy. It is marketed as an alternative method for performing attribution without relying on online tracking of users' browsing activity, which is incompatible with privacy. The functionality is explained on the Mozilla support page as follows:<ref name=":0">{{Cite web |author= |title=Privacy-Preserving Attribution |url=https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/privacy-preserving-attribution#w_how-can-i-disable-ppa |website=Mozilla |date=2024 |access-date=1 Mar 2026 |url-status=live |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20240617221145/https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/privacy-preserving-attribution#w_how-can-i-disable-ppa |archive-date=17 Jun 2024}}</ref>
<blockquote>#Websites that show you ads can ask Firefox to remember these ads. When this happens, Firefox stores an “impression” which contains a little bit of information about the ad, including a destination website.
#If you visit the destination website and do something that the website considers to be important enough to count (a “conversion”), that website can ask Firefox to generate a report. The destination website specifies what ads it is interested in.
#Firefox creates a report based on what the website asks, but does not give the result to the website. Instead, Firefox encrypts the report and anonymously submits it using the Distributed Aggregation Protocol (DAP) to an “aggregation service”.
#Your results are combined with many similar reports by the aggregation service. The destination website periodically receives a summary of the reports. The summary includes noise that provides differential privacy.</blockquote>

Browsing activity information is not sent to anyone, not even Mozilla. Users with PPA enabled, however, must rely solely on the company to honor principle number 4 in its Manifesto:<ref name=":0" />
<blockquote>PPA does not involve sending information about your browsing activities to anyone. This includes Mozilla and our DAP partner (ISRG). Advertisers only receive aggregate information that answers basic questions about the effectiveness of their advertising.</blockquote>

This feature does not allow users to make an informed decision and choose whether to opt in or not, as it is enabled by default and requires that the user actively opt out.<ref>{{Cite web |last=Naprys |first=Ernestas |title=Firefox’s new data collection feature sparks user backlash: here’s how to disable it |url=https://cybernews.com/privacy/firefox-data-collection-feature-sparks-backlash/ |website=cybernews |date=16 Jul 2024 |access-date=1 Mar 2026 |url-status=live |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20240716125552/https://cybernews.com/privacy/firefox-data-collection-feature-sparks-backlash/ |archive-date=16 Jul 2024}}</ref> This goes against principle number 8 of the Manifesto.

===Removing the "We don't sell your data" promise (''February 2025'')===
In February 2025, Mozilla started to delete references to their "We don't sell your data" promise from the source code, as first reported on [https://www.haiku-os.org/ Haiku operating system] by developer ''waddlesplash'' on the forum thread for their Firefox/Iceweasel port.<ref>{{Cite web |author=waddlesplash |title=Iceweasel: Telemetry acceptible for Firefox trademarks? |url=https://discuss.haiku-os.org/t/iceweasel-telemetry-acceptible-for-firefox-trademarks/16106/51 |website=Haiku OS |date=27 Feb 2025 |access-date=1 Mar 2026 |url-status=live |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20250708193121/https://discuss.haiku-os.org/t/iceweasel-telemetry-acceptible-for-firefox-trademarks/16106/51 |archive-date=8 Jul 2025}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |author1=Zhu |first=Jingwen |author2=maureenlholland |date=25 Feb 2025 |title=Tos copy updates (fix #16016) |url=https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/commit/d459addab846d8144b61939b7f4310eb80c5470e |url-status=live |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20260111124524/https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/commit/d459addab846d8144b61939b7f4310eb80c5470e |archive-date=11 Jan 2026 |access-date=1 Mar 2026 |website=GitHub}}</ref>

They also switched the wording from "The best privacy" to "Always protected".

===Introducing TOS for Firefox (''February 2025'')===
{{Main|Mozilla introduces TOS to Firefox}}

In February 2025 Mozilla introduced [[terms of use]] (TOS) for the Firefox browser for the first time as well as an updated [[privacy policy]]. The new privacy policy has caused concern among the browser's user base, revolving around how the section that describes the rights Mozilla has over their data is phrased.

==Alternatives==
There are other browsers using the same browser engine as Firefox, but with the telemetry and data gathering removed and privacy-friendly preferences enabled by default. For desktop operating systems, these include [https://librewolf.net/ LibreWolf], [https://mullvad.net/browser Mullvad Browser] and the [https://www.torproject.org/download/ Tor Browser]. On Android, [https://f-droid.org/packages/org.mozilla.fennec_fdroid/ Fennec] is available through the F-Droid store.

Completely free alternative browsers are currently under active development, some of which show promise to become viable, truly independent, open-source browser engines in the foreseeable future. These include the browser initiated by SerenityOS creator Andreas Kling.

As for Thunderbird, some open-source soft forks such as [https://www.betterbird.eu/ BetterBird] are available.

==Products==
*Thunderbird (2003—Present)
*[[Firefox]] (2004—Present)
*Pocket (2017—2025)<ref name="shutdown">{{Cite web |author= |title=Investing in what moves the internet forward |url=https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/building-whats-next/ |website=Mozilla |date=22 May 2025 |access-date=20 Aug 2025 |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250730024535/https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/building-whats-next/ |archive-date=30 Jul 2025}}</ref>
*Fakespot (2021—2025)<ref name="shutdown" />

==See also==
{{Ph-C-SA}}

==References==
{{Reflist}}

[[Category:{{PAGENAME}}]]

Talk:Main Page

2026-03-22T09:36:20Z

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==Hey what happened to my account?==

I am currently using "Edit Source" as a way to communicate, but I am not sure what happened. What happened to "Edit" what happened to me not able to reply? What did I do?

:@[[User:Jerry468|Jerry468]] This happens in discussions, for some reason there is no 'edit' button in discussion pages, instead use the 'reply' button next to discussions or the 'Add Topic' button on the top right. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:31, 29 October 2025 (UTC)

=="Random Page" should be front and center :)==

When browsing without an account "Random Page" is hidden behind a menu. Is there a way to plop it right next to "search" or in the middle of the home page to better facilitate visitors? (or maybe a browse button? Or a "New here? Read about consumer rights here!" where it gives a quick into and recommends a good page to start browsing).

Its just a little overwhelming to be a visitor curious about consumer rights and not having a clear place to start. [[User:Mallveo|Mallveo]] ([[User talk:Mallveo|talk]]) 21:39, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

:Hi, sorry for none of us replying! Pinging @[[User:Keith|Keith]] as he can give a much better response, but from what I understand we are doing a full UI redesign in 2026. As for things being front and center, maybe we could consider that as an option when we do that, but there is a sidebar already showing some important information on the left. Hope that helps. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 19:47, 31 December 2025 (UTC)
::I think the thing they're meaning with this is that the sidebar starts out collapsed if you're not logged in, so it's not obviously visible to a new user. This is something that should probably be fixed regardless of any UI redesign as I think the sidebar's pretty important for site navigation.
::For now a random article link on the main page seems like a decent shout! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 18:09, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Oh, that definitely shouldn't be hidden, I didn't know that! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 19:27, 10 January 2026 (UTC)
::::This is a default feature of Vector 2022. I’d fixed this before, but it got overwritten when we redid a lot of the infrastructure. I’ll add it back when I get a chance. [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 01:09, 28 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Now fixed! :) [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 21:14, 1 February 2026 (UTC)

==not to alarm you guys... but...==

1000 pages boyssssssssssssss! we done it. (now can we please take care of [[:Category:Articles with deletion requests|dis]]) [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:12, 21 January 2026 (UTC)

==Top articles correction==

I moved the page [[Milwaukee battery DRM]] because "DRM" was lowercase previously. The main page still uses the formatting from the redirect that the page move left behind, even after purging the cache, so it must be manually updated. More importantly, the link for [[Digital rights management]] is dead; I'm going to add a redirect, but I'm leaving this here as a heads up. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 18:05, 29 January 2026 (UTC)

:{{Done}}. DRM link was probs alr fixed by JakeL. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:16, 30 January 2026 (UTC)

==Seeking Help to Reconfigure Bluetooth Settings on a Medical Prosthetic Knee==

Hi everyone,

I’m hoping someone here can point me in the right direction. I’m a transfemoral amputee using a second-hand Bluetooth-enabled prosthetic knee. The knee itself is fully functional, but it’s an older, discontinued model, and that’s where the problem starts.

The manufacturer’s configuration software is now obsolete and no longer supported, so my prosthetist cannot reconfigure the knee using official tools anymore. I do have legitimate access:
• The device is mine

• I can successfully connect to it via Bluetooth

• I have the pairing key and can use the mobile app
However, the mobile app only exposes very limited settings, and I need access to deeper / advanced configuration parameters that directly affect my gait, stability, and overall mobility. These settings clearly exist (they were adjustable when the device was still supported), but they’re now locked behind software that no longer runs.

What I’m trying to understand is whether it’s possible to:
• Inspect or understand the Bluetooth communication used by the original software/app

• Identify the relevant commands, characteristics, or protocol used to configure the knee

• Modify or send specific configuration values using modern tools, without relying on the deprecated software
This is not about bypassing security or hacking a device I don’t own — it’s a medical device that I depend on daily, and I’m simply trying to regain access to functionality that the hardware is already capable of, but software obsolescence has taken away.

I’m open to learning and doing this properly, and I understand this may involve BLE analysis, protocol reverse-engineering, or embedded/Bluetooth tooling. Even high-level guidance on where to start (tools, workflows, or similar experiences) would be incredibly helpful.

If anyone has experience with:
• Bluetooth or BLE reverse engineering

• GATT analysis, packet sniffing, or custom Bluetooth protocols
or is willing to help guide me through this, I’d be deeply grateful. This isn’t just a technical curiosity — it’s about maintaining my independence and quality of life.

Thank you so much for reading. [[User:Daniel2299|Daniel2299]] ([[User talk:Daniel2299|talk]]) 23:54, 6 February 2026 (UTC)

==Add diagrams==

I know this is likely already covered under some other site or maybe it is here and I missed it.

Would it be possible to have a section for an archive of wiring diagramsand maybe user manuals? I havee no ideas how it could be archived ie by year the product was made, or company, or company product subproduct.

I worry that may bring unwanted attention from companies trying to keep their diagrams proprietary. That or this will be the location of the next top secret leak.

I could also see this being a data sink that is rarely used.

I know a some of the manuals/ diagrams are hidden behind a pay wall or almost impossible to find and having one location that is not going to charge a subscription later would be great. [[Special:Contributions/72.22.224.50|72.22.224.50]] 19:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

==JFK Consumer Bill of Rights==

I'd like to suggest that CR-Wiki identify the best location on the Site to commemorate Jack Kennedy's 1962 Consumer Bill of Rights, which, although never specifically codified into US national Consumer Rights law, has nevertheless served as a model for many related Consumer movements and laws. [[User:Campaign for Good Government|Campaign for Good Government]] ([[User talk:Campaign for Good Government|talk]]) 00:30, 24 February 2026 (UTC)

==What happened to the main page==

why does the main page look like this https://ibb.co/21XSXgWC https://ibb.co/MkDgJrf1 ? Did I do something, how do I fix it? [[User:Andrew V|Andrew V]] ([[User talk:Andrew V|talk]]) 17:54, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

:Don't worry - Jake's just playing around with the templates and formatting to try and make it look a bit nicer! should settle down shortly [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 18:05, 5 March 2026 (UTC)
::Thanks for letting me know [[User:Andrew V|Andrew V]] ([[User talk:Andrew V|talk]]) 18:08, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

==An incorrect link and more==

The Clippy Daily Dot article link is incorrect in the "In the News" template being transcluded to the Main Page
:the link is https://www.dailydot.com/culture/youtube-clippy-pfx/
:but should be https://dailydot.com/youtube-clippy-pfp
The correct link says "pfp" (profile picture) and the incorrect link says "pfx" for some reason.

It was a pain to find the transcluded template with the error:
:https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Template:Main_Page/In_The_News
Since this other similar page is linked from the template:
:https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Consumer_Rights_Wiki:In_the_news
It's atypical of MediaWiki based projects to not directly link to the view template page from the template itself. And maybe the page similarity issue should be solved with a merge?

Lastly, and most significantly, the historical view of the Main Page at the time of the edit that added the template in question (6 July 2025)
:https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=prev&oldid=16466
includes the Daily Dot Clippy story (12 August 2025) which wasn't available at the time of the edit, demonstrating that the transclusion was refreshed even for the '''''older revisions''''' of the Main Page. The older "renderings" of the page shouldn't have been modified with updated transclusions not just for preservation purposes, but also because it would waste a bunch of the server time dealing with extra stuff in the MediaWiki Job Queue.

I am not sure how hard those other things are to fix but there you go. [[Special:Contributions/209.44.198.25|209.44.198.25]] 09:48, 20 March 2026 (UTC)

:Sorry for not seeing this earlier and thanks a lot for this! I've done the first as it's very easy, but @[[User:JakeL|JakeL]] could do the second one as I'm not sure how to fix it. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 09:36, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

Template:Main Page/In The News

2026-03-22T09:34:48Z

AnotherConsumerRightsPerson: fix the fix

'''August 2025'''
* '''[https://dailydot.com/youtube-clippy-pfp/ Clippy the paperclip is taking over profile pics across the internet in protest of big tech]''' – Coverage of the [[Clippy Campaign]]

'''July 2025'''
* '''[https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/jul/05/bnpl-credit-score Buy now, pay later loans will now hit credit scores — and experts think Gen Z could be at risk]''' – FICO plans to include BNPL loans in credit scores this fall, raising flags for young and vulnerable borrowers

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''Want to suggest a story? Add it to the [[Template_talk:Main_Page/In The News|discussion page]].''

''Also see: [[Consumer Rights Wiki:In the news|In the news]] for coverage about this project.''

Template:Main Page/In The News

2026-03-22T09:34:24Z

AnotherConsumerRightsPerson: fix link

'''August 2025'''
* '''[https://www.dailydot.com/culture/youtube-clippy/ Clippy the paperclip is taking over profile pics across the internet in protest of big tech]''' – Coverage of the [[Clippy Campaign]]

'''July 2025'''
* '''[https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/jul/05/bnpl-credit-score Buy now, pay later loans will now hit credit scores — and experts think Gen Z could be at risk]''' – FICO plans to include BNPL loans in credit scores this fall, raising flags for young and vulnerable borrowers

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''Want to suggest a story? Add it to the [[Template_talk:Main_Page/In The News|discussion page]].''

''Also see: [[Consumer Rights Wiki:In the news|In the news]] for coverage about this project.''

Template talk:Clarify

2026-03-19T21:16:51Z

AnotherConsumerRightsPerson: /* Typo on Template: Clarify */ Reply

==Causing weird markup behavior==

In each instance I used this template, the rest of the paragraph displayed after it was turned into a block as seen in [https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Consumer_Technology_Association&oldid=16718 my edit] for the [[Consumer Technology Association]] article page. — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 05:02, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

==Typo on Template: Clarify==

Forgive my ignorance as I have never used a Wiki before so I don't know how to edit stuff even after reading some of the help menus. Just above the "Usage" paragraph on the Template:Clarify page (https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Template:Clarify) there is what I believe to be a spelling mistake. The word is spelled "rephreasing", but it was probably intended to be "rephrasing" if I had to guess. I tried to edit the template directly but was not authorized to do so.

Have a swell day! [[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:08, 19 March 2026 (UTC)

:{{Done}}! Also as a quick note, this is a template that only admins can edit. There are some others like this too. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 21:16, 19 March 2026 (UTC)

Template:Clarify

2026-03-19T21:16:10Z

AnotherConsumerRightsPerson: fix typo per talkpage

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Use this template when a claim or statement is unclear and need rephrasing or more information to be useful.
==Usage==
Add the <code><nowiki>{{Clarify}}</nowiki></code> template after a statement to add a note that it needs clarification.
Optionally you can enter a variable and the template will use that in the notice followed by a question mark. Common questions that come up while proof reading should be communicated with this notice.
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Duolingo

2026-03-19T16:51:55Z

AnotherConsumerRightsPerson: fix typo

{{CompanyCargo
|Founded=2011
|Industry=Education, Software
|Logo=Duolingo.svg
|Type=Public
|Website=https://duolingo.com
|Description=A language learning app with a mission to make learning "universally available". In the 2020s, paywalled content and data breaches affected users.
}}

'''[[wikipedia:Duolingo|Duolingo]]''' is a publicly owned, American language-learning website founded in 2011 by Luis von Ahn and Severin Hacker.<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://press.duolingo.com/#about|title=Our Mission|work=Duolingo Press Room|access-date=2025-03-26|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250319203900/https://press.duolingo.com/#about|archive-date=2025-03-19|url-status=live}}</ref> On July 28, 2021, the company began trading on the Nasdaq Global Select Market.<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://investors.duolingo.com/news-releases/news-release-details/duolingo-announces-pricing-initial-public-offering|title=Duolingo Announces Pricing of Initial Public Offering|date=2021-07-27|work=Duolingo Press Room|access-date=2025-03-26|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250124122817/https://investors.duolingo.com/news-releases/news-release-details/duolingo-announces-pricing-initial-public-offering|archive-date=2025-01-24|url-status=live}}</ref> As of Q3 2024, the app has over 37 million daily active users and 8.6 million paid subscribers, with a net income of $23.4 million.<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://investors.duolingo.com/financials|title=Financials|work=Duolingo Press Room|access-date=2025-03-26|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250124101114/https://investors.duolingo.com/financials|archive-date=2025-01-24|url-status=live}}</ref>
==Consumer-impact summary==
====Freedom====
Users can delete their Duolingo account through the app settings and request their account data through the "[https://drive-thru.duolingo.com/ Duolingo Data Vault]". Users can also allow or deny the collection of optional information through the settings, such as location and anonymous speech data.

====Privacy====
According to the privacy policy, if a Duolingo Max user utilizes artificial-intelligence (AI) features, a copy of their text or audio data will be shared with vendors such as [[OpenAI]].<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.duolingo.com/privacy|title=Privacy Policy|work=Duolingo|date=2024-09-11|access-date=2025-03-26|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250124094802/https://www.duolingo.com/privacy|archive-date=2025-01-24|url-status=live}}</ref> This is also similar for non-AI features, as Duolingo "may also collect and analyze your speech to help [it] understand the effectiveness of [its] lessons and to improve the product", though the data is anonymized.

It is also mentioned that when completing a lesson, a video of a user's lesson "will be logged by a service called FullStory". This service records usage patterns, device specs, and learning activity, and is only disabled by default for child users. Opting out requires going to FullStory's website.

The policy states the app works with third-party advertising networks to [[Personalized Ads|personalize advertising]], such as with [[Google]], [[Meta]], [[OAuth]], and [[Unity]]. Personalized advertising can be disabled in the app's settings.

The Exodus Privacy project lists as many as 13 tracking, advertising and analytics service libraries being present in the Android version of the app.<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://reports.exodus-privacy.eu.org/de/reports/com.duolingo/latest/|title=Report for com.duolingo 6.22.3|work=exodus|date=2025-03-25|access-date=2025-03-26|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250326193207/https://reports.exodus-privacy.eu.org/de/reports/com.duolingo/latest/|archive-date=2025-03-26|url-status=live}}</ref> The app does not work for more than about one lesson without internet access, hence turning off internet access is not an option to prevent data exfiltration. The [https://trackercontrol.org/ F-Droid version of Tracker Control] can help with blocking some of the traffic to these services without impacting the functionality of the app.

====Business model====
Duolingo relies on in-app advertising and paid memberships for revenue. The company also sells merchandise on their website.

====Market control====
Duolingo is the most popular language-learning application, having 60% market control as of 2025.<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.businessofapps.com/data/language-learning-app-market/|title=Language Learning App Revenue and Usage Statistics (2025)|first=David|last=Curry|date=2025-02-27|work=Business of Apps|access-date=2025-03-15|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250112232036/https://www.businessofapps.com/data/language-learning-app-market/|archive-date=2025-01-12|url-status=live}}</ref>

==Incidents==

===Data breach (2023)===
In January 2023, the data of 2.6 million users were posted to an online hacking forum for $1,500.<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/scraped-data-of-26-million-duolingo-users-released-on-hacking-forum/|title=Scraped data of 2.6 million Duolingo users released on hacking forum|first=Lawrence|last=Abrams|work=Bleeping Computer|date=2023-08-22|access-date=2025-03-26|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250309233352/https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/scraped-data-of-26-million-duolingo-users-released-on-hacking-forum/|archive-date=2025-03-09|url-status=live}}</ref> The data were scraped from a vulnerable API, with email addresses, usernames, languages spoken, and real names being included.<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://haveibeenpwned.com/PwnedWebsites#Duolingo|title=Pwned websites|work=haveibeenpwned.com|access-date=2025-03-26|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250309182649/https://haveibeenpwned.com/PwnedWebsites#Duolingo|archive-date=2025-03-09|url-status=live}}</ref> A spokesperson for Duolingo stressed that "these records were obtained by data-scraping public profile information" and "no data breach or hack has occurred".<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://therecord.media/duolingo-investigating-dark-web-post-offering-data-from-2-6-million-accounts|title=DuoLingo investigating dark web post offering data from 2.6 million accounts|first=Jonathan|last=Greig|date=2023-01-23|work=The Record.|access-date=2025-03-26|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250307194542/https://therecord.media/duolingo-investigating-dark-web-post-offering-data-from-2-6-million-accounts|archive-date=2025-03-07|url-status=live}}</ref>

===Paywalled content (2023)===
On March 14, 2023, a new subscription service was released called "Duolingo Max", that promised highly personalized language learning with [[ChatGPT]]-4 integration.<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://blog.duolingo.com/duolingo-max/|title=Duolingo Max Uses OpenAI's GPT-4 For New Learning Features|author=Duolingo Team|date=2023-03-14|work=Duolingo Blog|access-date=2025-03-26|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250304001440/https://blog.duolingo.com/duolingo-max/|archive-date=2025-03-04|url-status=live}}</ref> In September 2024, a new feature was added to the subscription that allowed users to interact with a character named Lily.<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://blog.duolingo.com/video-call/|title=Duolingo's Video Call Offers Realistic Conversation Practice|author=Duolingo Team|date=2024-09-24|access-date=2025-03-26|work=Duolingo Blog|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250306000114/https://blog.duolingo.com/video-call/|archive-date=2025-03-06|url-status=live}}</ref> This subscription feature would show on the "learning path"<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://blog.duolingo.com/new-duolingo-home-screen-design/|title=The Science Behind Duolingo's Home Screen Redesign|first1=Holly|last1=Munson|first2=Anton|last2=Yu|first3=Ananya|last3=Rajgarhia|first4=Aj|last4=Noh|work=Duolingo Blog|date=2022-05-06|access-date=2025-03-26|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250302080539/https://blog.duolingo.com/new-duolingo-home-screen-design/|archive-date=2025-03-02|url-status=live}}</ref> for all users, regardless of their subscription status.

On September 3, 2024, users alleged they could not make a lesson have "legendary" status unless they paid for the "Duolingo Max" subscription to access the video-call lessons.<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.reddit.com/r/duolingo/comments/1f7wlul/how_am_i_supposed_to_legendary/|title=How am I supposed to legendary?|author=u/ChasingKilts|date=2024-09-03|work=Reddit|access-date=2025-03-27|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20260222215616/https://old.reddit.com/r/duolingo/comments/1f7wlul/how_am_i_supposed_to_legendary/|archive-date=22 Feb 2026|url-status=live}}</ref> At the time, the subscription was $30 per month and to get a legendary status for a lesson, each attempt would be 100 gems for free users<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.reddit.com/r/duolingo/comments/1f7wlul/comment/llbedvt/|title=Bluerious518 comments on How am I supposed to legendary?|author=u/Bluerious518|work=Reddit|date=2024-09-03|access-date=2025-03-27|archive-url=https://archive.ph/O5qvQ|archive-date=2025-01-23|url-status=live}}</ref> (not including Super Duolingo users).<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://blog.duolingo.com/super-duolingo-launch/|title=Super Duolingo Is Duolingo's New Premium Product|first=Jay|last=Fanelli|work=Duolingo Blog|date=2022-06-08|access-date=2025-03-26|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250124090707/https://blog.duolingo.com/super-duolingo-launch/|archive-date=2025-01-24|url-status=live}}</ref> Some users were able to fix the behavior, though the "go to legendary" button would still not bring users to a skipped or new level.<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.reddit.com/r/duolingo/comments/1f7wlul/how_am_i_supposed_to_legendary/m6uspad/|title=haa888 comments on How am I supposed to legendary?|author=u/haa888|work=Reddit|date=2025-01-13|access-date=2025-03-27|archive-url=https://archive.ph/Jzon1|archive-date=2025-01-23|url-status=live}}</ref>

====Implications====
According to Duolingo's mission statement, the goal of Duolingo is to make language learning "universally available."<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://investors.duolingo.com/|title=Investor Relations|work=Duolingo Investors|access-date=2025-03-26|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250123181839/https://investors.duolingo.com/|archive-date=2025-01-23|url-status=live}}</ref> It states, "We created Duolingo so that everyone could have a chance. Free language education – no hidden fees, no premium content, just free."<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.duolingo.com/info|title=About Us|work=Duolingo|access-date=2025-03-26|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250123075248/https://www.duolingo.com/info|archive-date=2025-01-23|url-status=live}}</ref> It goes on to say, "We believe true equality is when spending more can't buy you a better education."

===Pay-to-win pattern===
Recently, some of the timed learning games inside the app are impossible to complete in the time allowed, even for a native speaker of the language.{{Cite}} In order to win, the user needs to pay for a subscription to buy more time. This also means that the learning high scores can essentially be bought.

===Abusing iPhone Dynamic Island Feature for advertising (2026)===
Ignoring Apple's app store guidelines, the company used the Dynamic Island feature, an area of the iOS screen reserved for notifying users of progress of background processes, to push a sales promotion with a countdown via its iPhone app.<ref>{{Cite web |last=Schwan |first=Ben |date=2026-01-05 |title=Duolingo is putting ads in Apple's Dynamic Island – even though it's not allowed |url=https://www.heise.de/en/news/Duolingo-is-putting-ads-in-Apple-s-Dynamic-Island-even-though-it-s-not-allowed-11128917.html |access-date=2026-01-05 |website=Heise Online |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20260106005825/https://www.heise.de/en/news/Duolingo-is-putting-ads-in-Apple-s-Dynamic-Island-even-though-it-s-not-allowed-11128917.html |archive-date=6 Jan 2026}}</ref>

==Products==
*Learn to Read – Duolingo ABC (2021)
*Duolingo Math (2022)<ref name="blog">{{Cite web|url=https://blog.duolingo.com/new-subjects/|title=Duolingo is bringing language, math, and music under one roof!|date=2023-10-11|work=Duolingo Blog|access-date=2025-03-14|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250120233940/https://blog.duolingo.com/new-subjects/|archive-date=2025-01-20|url-status=live}}</ref>
*Duolingo Music (2023)<ref name="blog" />

==References==
<references />
[[Category:Duolingo]]

User talk:Sojourna

2026-03-19T06:34:56Z

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==I've got a lotta work to do==

[[:Category:Articles with deletion requests]]. I've dealt with about 30 files so far. That took like 10 MINUTES. I've definitely got a lotta work to do. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:24, 19 March 2026 (UTC)

:I just remembered as I posted this there was a mass deletion tool that can make it super easy to delete everything made by a user. I didn't select everything, obviously, but I selected most. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:28, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
::WAIT THERE ARE STILL SOME? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:29, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
:::...Would it be bad at this time if I mentioned that combing through the entire upload log correcting bad/vague names while adding the license section is my long-term personal project? — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 06:31, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Wow. Makes sense! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:34, 19 March 2026 (UTC)

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Adobe Creative Suite activation

2026-03-19T06:17:02Z

AnotherConsumerRightsPerson: this needs cargo btw

{{Incomplete}}
[[File:Adobe Creative Suite support page shut down of activation servers for older versions.png|thumb|The Adobe Creative Suite (CS) Support Page Stating The Shutdown of Activation Servers]]Adobe Creative Suite (CS) was a software collection released from 2003 to 2013, when Adobe replaced it with Creative Cloud (CC).

==Background==
When Adobe introduced the Creative Suite in 2003, Adobe implemented a new online activation system that wasn't present in Adobe's previous products. This system required users to connect to Adobe's servers to verify their serial number before the software could be used.

==Adobe Creative Suite Activation Server Shutdown and Impact==

===Technical issue===
When the installer is run from any source, the setup program will try to contact Adobe; either during the installation or post-install when the user tries to run the application for the first time. It will attempt to verify their serial number. The program will fail to contact Adobe, as the server it uses for serial number verification has been shut down. After trying for a few seconds or minutes the setup program will display an error, as it cannot contact the activation servers; and the applications will not be activated, rendering them in an inoperable state.

===Non-existent solution:===
Nancy O'Shea, a Community Expert and Moderator on the Adobe forums, has made the following reference to a method to obtain a new CS3 installer that does not require activation:<blockquote>The correct answer below describes how to obtain a new CS3 installer, a new serial number that does not require activation and the procedures necessary to make it work. Read them carefully.<ref>{{Cite web |date=2018-02-04 |title=CS3 Activation [Branched from CS2 activation] |url=https://community.adobe.com/t5/download-install-discussions/cs3-activation-branched-from-cs2-activation/td-p/9689902 |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250708194404/https://community.adobe.com/t5/download-install-discussions/cs3-activation-branched-from-cs2-activation/td-p/9689902 |archive-date=2025-07-08 |website=Adobe Community}}</ref></blockquote>
[[File:Nancy adobe activation servers.png|thumb|Nancy OShea on adobe forums linking to a method to install software after activation servers have been phased out, that does not work.]]
However, the link she provided to ''"Re-activating CS3(Updated)"'' does not work as of February 17th, 2025. This was archived in 2014.<ref name=":0">{{Cite web |date=12 Aug 2014 |title=Re-activating CS3 |url=https://forums.adobe.com/thread/1545413 |url-status=dead |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20141204085848/https://forums.adobe.com/thread/1545413 |archive-date=4 Dec 2014 |via=Adobe forums}}</ref>

===Affected versions===
As of February 2025, Adobe has shut down the activation servers for:<ref>{{Cite web |title=Creative Suite archive |url=https://helpx.adobe.com/creative-suite.html |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20251226084355/https://helpx.adobe.com/creative-suite.html |archive-date=2025-12-26 |website=Adobe}}</ref>
*CS1
*CS2
*CS3
*CS4
*CS5
In addition Adobe has also shut down the deactivation servers for CS6 which prevents users from reinstalling the software or moving the software to a new device. Adobe support is also no longer able to increase the activation limit or remove activated devices.<ref>{{Cite web |title=activation-deactivation feature for CS6 |url=https://community.adobe.com/t5/photoshop-ecosystem-discussions/activation-deactivation-feature-for-cs6/td-p/14593664 |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250910121635/https://community.adobe.com/t5/photoshop-ecosystem-discussions/activation-deactivation-feature-for-cs6/td-p/14593664 |archive-date=2025-09-10 |access-date=2025-08-21 |website=Adobe Community}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |title=CS6 activation after successful deactivation fails |url=https://community.adobe.com/t5/photoshop-ecosystem-discussions/cs6-activation-after-successful-deactivation-fails/td-p/14898105 |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250815042745/https://community.adobe.com/t5/photoshop-ecosystem-discussions/cs6-activation-after-successful-deactivation-fails/td-p/14898105 |archive-date=2025-08-15 |access-date=2025-08-21 |website=Adobe Community}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |title=adobe perpetual license not being honored class action lawsuit : r/Adobe |url=https://www.reddit.com/r/Adobe/comments/1cugh7a/adobe_perpetual_license_not_being_honored_class/ |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250329183518/https://www.reddit.com/r/Adobe/comments/1cugh7a/adobe_perpetual_license_not_being_honored_class/ |archive-date=2025-03-29 |access-date=2025-08-21 |website=Reddit}}</ref>

===Impact on license owners of Adobe Creative Suite===
The server shutdown creates serious issues for legitimate owners who purchased the software:
*Unable to install or reinstall the software, even from original media
*Cannot activate existing installations

===Adobe's response===
Adobe has cited "aging activation servers" as the reason for the shutdown. While the company claims to have:
*Sent notification emails to registered users
*Provided modified installers that don't require activation
Many users report never receiving this communication, particularly those who didn't register their products when registration was optional. Without registration, Adobe had no way of having the contact information of these customers who did not complete an optional registration.<ref>{{Cite web |date=2020-10-08 |title=Activation Server Retirement |url=https://community.adobe.com/t5/photoshop-ecosystem-discussions/activation-server-retirement/m-p/11491977 |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250708194405/https://community.adobe.com/t5/photoshop-ecosystem-discussions/activation-server-retirement/m-p/11491977 |archive-date=2025-07-08 |website=Adobe Community}}</ref>

===Workaround for CS4===
If you still have an prior, duly-activated installation:

*Install desired components from CS4. Don't waste time trying to activate.
*Copy the amtlib.dll files from each old install subdirectory to the respective subdirectories in the new install. {{CitationNeeded}}

==References==
<references />
[[Category:Adobe]]

Wikipedia

2026-03-18T16:34:41Z

AnotherConsumerRightsPerson:

{{Delete|See [[Consumer Rights Wiki talk:Moderators' noticeboard#Appeal request for Wikipedia article]].}}
{{ProductCargo
|ArticleType=Product
|Category=Education
|Company=Wikimedia Foundation
|Description=Internet encyclopedia following the "wiki" philosophy of collaborative editing.
|InProduction=Yes
|Logo=Wikipedia.svg
|ProductLine=
|ReleaseYear=2001
|Website=https://wikipedia.org/
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'''Wikipedia''' is a digital encyclopedic platform which was founded in 2001 and is currently operated by American non-profit organization Wikimedia Foundation.

==Consumer impact summary==
The encyclopedia is a major destination for readers to access information about any given topics, ranging from natural sciences to political fields. Theoretically, the encyclopedia is open for editing by anyone, meaning that readers can become producers and editors at any time.<ref>{{Cite web |last=McGrady |first=Ryan |title=What Attacks on Wikipedia Reveal about Free Expression |url=https://www.techpolicy.press/what-attacks-on-wikipedia-reveal-about-free-expression/ |website=Tech Policy Press |date=14 May 2025 |access-date=21 November 2025 |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250514214522/https://www.techpolicy.press/what-attacks-on-wikipedia-reveal-about-free-expression/ |archive-date=14 May 2025}}</ref>

===Monopoly===
Although Wikipedia formally enshrines the right to fork contents from them in order to start a new encyclopedia, it has been reported that Wikipedia effectively operated as a ''de facto'' monopoly among online encyclopedias for a long time, and Wikipedia had received privileged positions by various search engines such as [[Google]] on their search results. Social media service [[TikTok]] included similar information from Wikipedia in their search results. Besides that, Wikipedia is one of the top sources for AI chatbots.<ref>{{Cite web |author= |title=Wikipedia:Content forks |url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:PROJFORK |website=Wikipedia |date=16 October 2025 |access-date=21 November 2025 |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20251019182549/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Content_forks#Project-level_content_forks |archive-date=19 Oct 2025}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |last=Tezuka |first=Shuichi |title=Introducing Justapedia |url=https://quillette.com/2023/12/11/introducing-justapedia/ |website=Quillette |date=11 December 2023 |access-date=21 November 2025 |url-status=live |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20260114054827/https://quillette.com/2023/12/11/introducing-justapedia/ |archive-date=14 Jan 2026}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |last=Sato |first=Mia |title=TikTok has quietly been inserting Wikipedia snippets into search results |url=https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/13/23871880/tiktok-search-engine-wikipedia-snippets-google |website=The Verge |date=13 Sep 2023 |access-date=21 Nov 2025 |url-status=live |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20260101232819/https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/13/23871880/tiktok-search-engine-wikipedia-snippets-google |archive-date=1 Jan 2026}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |last1=Schaul |first1=Kevin |last2=Chen |first2=Szu Yu |last3=Tiku |first3=Nitasha |title=Inside the secret list of websites that make AI like ChatGPT sound smart |url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/interactive/2023/ai-chatbot-learning/ |website=The Washington Post |date=19 Apr 2023 |access-date=15 Feb 2026 |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20230419120558/https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/interactive/2023/ai-chatbot-learning/ |archive-date=19 Apr 2023}}</ref>

Consequently, Wikipedia's monopoly had generated significant downstream effects where Wikipedia had played crucial roles in shaping medical decisions, economic outcomes, scientific publications, and perhaps judicial rulings.<ref>{{Cite web |last=Beck |first=Julie |title=Doctors’ #1 Source for Healthcare Information: Wikipedia |url=https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/03/doctors-1-source-for-healthcare-information-wikipedia/284206/ |website=The Atlantic |date=5 Mar 2014 |access-date=21 Nov 2025 |url-status=live |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20260202220730/https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/03/doctors-1-source-for-healthcare-information-wikipedia/284206/ |archive-date=2 Feb 2026}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |last1=Hinnosaar |first1=Marit |last2=Hinnosaar |first2=Toomas |last3=Kummer |first3=Michael |last4=Slivko |first4=Olga |title=Wikipedia matters |url=https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/jems.12421 |url-access=limited |website=Journal of Economics & Management Strategy |date=10 Mar 2021 |access-date=15 Feb 2026 |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20240709001458/https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/jems.12421 |archive-date=9 Jul 2024 |pages=657–669 |doi=10.1111/jems.12421 |format=PDF
}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |last1=Neil |first1=Thompson |last2=Douglas |first2=Hanley |title=Science Is Shaped by Wikipedia: Evidence From a Randomized Control Trial |url=https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3039505 |website=Social Science Research Network |date=13 Feb 2018 |access-date=21 Nov 2025 |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20180601232442/https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3039505 |archive-date=1 Jun 2018 |doi=10.2139/ssrn.3039505}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |last1=Thompson |first1=Neil |last2=Flanagan |first2=Brian |last3=Richardson |first3=Edana |last4=McKenzie |first4=Brian |last5=Luo |first5=Xueyun |display-authors=2 |title=Trial by Internet: A Randomized Field Experiment on Wikipedia’s Influence on Judges’ Legal Reasoning |url=https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4174200 |website=Social Science Research Network |date=1 Aug 2022 |access-date=21 Nov 2025 |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20251120010359/https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4174200 |archive-date=20 Nov 2025}}</ref> Wikipedia is even included among long-termist knowledge preservation initiatives such as the Arch Mission's The LEO (Low Earth Orbit) library, The Lunar Library I on the failed Beresheet lunar lander, The Lunar Library II on the failed Astrobotic Peregrine lander, The Galactic Legacy Archive on a successful Intuitive Machines moon lander mission, and The Pyramid Library on the successful Firefly Aerospace's Blue Ghost lander mission.<ref>{{Cite web |author= |title=The LEO Library: Constellation 1 |url=https://www.archmission.org/leo-library-1 |website=Arch Mission Foundation |date= |access-date=15 Feb 2026 |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250930044527/https://www.archmission.org/leo-library-1 |archive-date=30 Sep 2025}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |author= |title=The Lunar Library: Genesis |url=https://www.archmission.org/spaceil |website=Arch Mission Foundation |date= |access-date=15 Feb 2026 |url-status=live |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20260215212645/https://www.archmission.org/spaceil |archive-date=15 Feb 2026}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |author= |title=Lunar Library II |url=https://www.archmission.org/lunar-library-2 |website=Arch Mission Foundation |date= |access-date=15 Feb 2026 |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20241224161609/https://www.archmission.org/lunar-library-2 |archive-date=24 Dec 2024}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |author= |title=Galactic Legacy Archive |url=https://www.archmission.org/galactic-legacy-archive |website=Arch Mission Foundation |date= |access-date=15 Feb 2026 |url-status=live |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20260217175117/https://www.archmission.org/galactic-legacy-archive |archive-date=17 Feb 2026}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |author= |title=Galactic Legacy Archive |url=https://www.archmission.org/galactic-legacy-archive |website=Arch Mission Foundation |date= |access-date=21 Nov 2025 |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20240113231855/https://www.archmission.org/galactic-legacy-archive |archive-date=13 Jan 2024}}</ref>

==Incidents==
This is a list of all incidents, especially those related to consumer protection, that this platform is involved in. Any incidents not mentioned here can be found in the [[:Category:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|{{PAGENAME}} category]].

===Orangemoody scandal===
In September 2015, Wikipedia was hit by the Orangemoody blackmail scandal, as it came to light that hundreds of businesses and minor celebrities had faced demands for payment from rogue editors to publish, protect or update Wikipedia articles on them.<ref>{{Cite web |last=Merrill |first=Jamie |last2=Owen |first2=Jonathan |title=Wikipedia rocked by 'rogue editors' blackmail scam targeting small businesses and celebrities |url=https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/wikipedia-rocked-by-rogue-editors-blackmail-scam-targeting-small-businesses-and-celebrities-10481993.html |website=The Independent |date=2 Sep 2015 |access-date=15 Feb 2026 |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150913220528/https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/wikipedia-rocked-by-rogue-editors-blackmail-scam-targeting-small-businesses-and-celebrities-10481993.html |archive-date=13 Sep 2015}}</ref>

===Scots Wikipedia scandal===
In August 2020, a [[Reddit]] user publicized that a prolific Scots Wikipedia administrator did not speak the Scots language; tens of thousands of articles were in fact English with eye dialect spellings to suggest a Scottish accent, or word-by-word machine translations of articles from the English Wikipedia. Wikimedia users debated recruiting fluent speakers of Scots to repair the articles, reverting all edits from the administrator in question, or — as the latter would entail removing nearly half the articles in the encyclopedia — even deleting and restarting Scots Wikipedia afresh. ''The Guardian'' attributed the problem to systemic issues in Wikipedia culture, suggesting that some administrators are afforded effectively unchecked power based on sheer volume of edits (rather than the quality of their work). Robyn Speer, chief scientist at Luminoso, expressed concern that artificial intelligence corpora which used Wikipedia for language-training data had been corrupted by the pseudo-Scots.<ref name="inews">{{Cite web |last=McDonald |first=Karl |title=Scots Wikipedia taken over by American teenager who wrote thousands of 'very odd' articles without learning language |url=https://inews.co.uk/news/scotland/scots-wikipedia-language-articles-native-speaker-mistakes-610689 |website=The i Paper |date=26 Aug 2020 |access-date=15 Feb 2026 |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20200826132225/https://inews.co.uk/news/scotland/scots-wikipedia-language-articles-native-speaker-mistakes-610689 |archive-date=26 Aug 2020}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |last1=Brooks |first1=Libby |last2=Hern |first2=Alex |date=26 Aug 2020 |title=Shock an aw: US teenager wrote huge slice of Scots Wikipedia  |url=https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/aug/26/shock-an-aw-us-teenager-wrote-huge-slice-of-scots-wikipedia |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20200826163024/https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/aug/26/shock-an-aw-us-teenager-wrote-huge-slice-of-scots-wikipedia |archive-date=26 Aug 2020 |access-date=15 Feb 2026 |website=The Guardian}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |last=McCarthy |first=Kieren |title=Um, almost the entire Scots Wikipedia was written by someone with no idea of the language – 10,000s of articles |url=https://www.theregister.com/2020/08/26/scots_wikipedia_fake/ |website=The Register |date=26 Aug 2020 |access-date=15 Feb 2026 |url-status=live |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20260211102214/https://www.theregister.com/2020/08/26/scots_wikipedia_fake/ |archive-date=11 Feb 2026}}</ref>

==References==
{{Reflist}}

[[Category:{{PAGENAME}}]]

Consumer Rights Wiki talk:Moderators' noticeboard

2026-03-18T16:14:17Z

AnotherConsumerRightsPerson: /* Appeal request for Wikipedia article */ Reply

File:Sonic Corporation Logo.png

2026-03-16T20:16:40Z

AnotherConsumerRightsPerson: a lil joke bc why not

== Licensing ==
{{From Wikimedia}}
This is '''not''' Sonic the Hedgehog

User:YoshiRulz

2026-03-16T06:02:09Z

AnotherConsumerRightsPerson: Doing edit by YoshiRulz that got trapped in the abuse filter

Life-long FOSS advocate, software engineer, and games preservationist.
 {{{|IANAL, but I have some understanding of software-as-IP and am convinced that it needs reforming,
And in the meantime, the best we can do is publish under (A)GPL and bring [[Vizio_sued_over_unfairly_appropriated_software_for_their_SmartCast_system|enforcement cases]].}}}
See my Miraheze user page for other MediaWiki-powered sites I contribute to.

Elon

2026-03-15T21:20:27Z

AnotherConsumerRightsPerson: Redirected to Elon Musk via Special:SearchDigest

#REDIRECT [[Elon Musk]]

Yahoo!

2026-03-15T19:14:10Z

AnotherConsumerRightsPerson: +stub

{{Stub}}
{{CompanyCargo
|Founded=1994-01
|Industry=Web service
|Type=Subsidiary
|Website=yahoo.com
|Description=Yahoo! is a company that makes internet-based products.
}}
Yahoo! is a company that makes internet-based products.

==Consumer-impact summary==
{{Ph-C-CIS}}
* '''User privacy''': Poor; third-party AI has been forced to be used.
==Incidents==
This is a list of all consumer-protection incidents this company is involved in. Any incidents not mentioned here can be found in the [[:Category:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|{{PAGENAME}} category]].
===Mandatory use of AI on all consumer services and content===
{{Main|Yahoo! mandatory use of AI on all consumer services and content}}
Yahoo! implemented a change to their Terms of Service stipulating their mandatory use of third-party AI on customer data, specifically including e-mail and account content.
===Example incident two (''date'')===
...

==Products==
{{Ph-C-P}}

==See also==
{{Ph-C-SA}}

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:{{PAGENAME}}]]

Category:Yahoo!

2026-03-15T17:07:26Z

AnotherConsumerRightsPerson: Category:Companies

Yahoo!

2026-03-15T17:05:46Z

AnotherConsumerRightsPerson: some content copied from Yahoo! mandatory use of AI on all consumer services and content, see there for attribution

{{CompanyCargo
|Founded=1994-01
|Industry=Web service
|Type=Subsidiary
|Website=yahoo.com
|Description=Yahoo! is a company that makes internet-based products.
}}
Yahoo! is a company that makes internet-based products.

==Consumer-impact summary==
{{Ph-C-CIS}}
* '''User privacy''': Poor; third-party AI has been forced to be used.
==Incidents==
This is a list of all consumer-protection incidents this company is involved in. Any incidents not mentioned here can be found in the [[:Category:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|{{PAGENAME}} category]].
===Mandatory use of AI on all consumer services and content===
{{Main|Yahoo! mandatory use of AI on all consumer services and content}}
Yahoo! implemented a change to their Terms of Service stipulating their mandatory use of third-party AI on customer data, specifically including e-mail and account content.
===Example incident two (''date'')===
...

==Products==
{{Ph-C-P}}

==See also==
{{Ph-C-SA}}

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:{{PAGENAME}}]]

Yahoo!

2026-03-15T16:59:44Z

AnotherConsumerRightsPerson: I hate yahoo so bad

{{CompanyCargo
|Founded=1994-01
|Industry=Web service
|Type=Subsidiary
|Website=yahoo.com
|Description=Yahoo! is a company that makes internet-based products.
}}
{{Ph-C-Int}}

==Consumer-impact summary==
{{Ph-C-CIS}}

==Incidents==
{{Ph-C-Inc}}

This is a list of all consumer-protection incidents this company is involved in. Any incidents not mentioned here can be found in the [[:Category:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|{{PAGENAME}} category]].
===Example incident one (''date'')===
{{Main|link to the main CR Wiki article}}
Short summary of the incident (could be the same as the summary preceding the article).
===Example incident two (''date'')===
...

==Products==
{{Ph-C-P}}

==See also==
{{Ph-C-SA}}

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:{{PAGENAME}}]]

Consumer Rights Wiki talk:Moderators' noticeboard

2026-03-15T06:23:10Z

AnotherConsumerRightsPerson: /* Who gets superconfirmed first? */ Reply

User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson

2026-03-14T20:32:29Z

AnotherConsumerRightsPerson: /* adding archive video to article */ Reply

{{User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson/Transcluded thingy}}

Hi! This is my user talk page. Just leave me a message and I’ll respond when I can. If you want a request for a moderator to do something, it is much better for you to go to the [[Project talk:Moderators' noticeboard|Moderators' noticeboard]], as it will be much quicker to get a response than here and I'm very active there too.
 '''If there is a message I haven't replied to in more than 5 days, then I'm completely fine with you spam pinging me until I do reply.'''
==Do you need a hand?==

I just saw your edit notes lol, but not sure exactly what you're trying? If you need a hand I can try and help/find someone who's around. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:43, 5 October 2025 (UTC)

:Lol thanks, I am trying to add userscripts and losing my mind trying. I am trying to upload from Wikipedia and into my common.js file which (on Wikipedia at least) automatically runs for you to do something, but it is completely failing. It probably isn’t possible and I am wasting my time to be honest. Thanks for asking! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:03, 5 October 2025 (UTC)
::Have looked into it with some of the technical folks, and we currently have user Javascript disabled for security reasons. I'll have them take a look and get back to you! But just wanted to let you know it wasn't a 'you' problem lol [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 21:48, 5 October 2025 (UTC)
:::Ah okay! Time to use common.css (somehow??) [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 05:47, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
:::Thinking about it, I am quite happy that you chose to disable Javascript! I hate that thing anyway because it is not secure and looks like a pain to program in anyway. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 05:48, 6 October 2025 (UTC)

==Wiki help==

Hi! I have a wiki on Miraheze that I created recently and was wondering if you're open to helping me out with some admin stuff? You seem to enjoy tinkering with CRW, so I was hoping we could work together for a bit on this new wiki. Is that something you'd be interested in? [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 17:57, 8 October 2025 (UTC)

:Sure! I actually have self-hosted mediawiki instances (on my own computer using something called XAMPP, you can’t look it up online) so I wouldn’t mind helping out! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 19:25, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
:Also, how did you get the name ‘Beanie Bo’? I’ve been curious but never asked on your talk page. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 19:26, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
::Nice! Can you email me via my user page and let me know your email so we can talk about it? The wiki is currently set to private but I'll open it so you can create a user account.
::As for my wiki name, well Beanie is just a throwaway that I use sometimes. It was a play on Mr. Bean lol, and the Bo part just randomly came to mind when I created this wiki account. I didn't expect to be so involved with CRW for this long but it turned out great! [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 19:44, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
:::Sorry, I don’t use my main email for things like wikis, but I can attach a temporary email address if you want to talk via email. I used to use a temporary email address up until I thought it was an awful idea if I randomly got mail from it. Cool story on the name though! Did remind me of Mr. Bean. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 19:49, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
::::It's all good. I'll just link it here. Apparently you can create account even when it's set to private...? I'll verify you once it shows up for me. Also, I can't do much at the moment since I'm not at my desktop. The mobile theme is so broken lol.. maybe tomorrow we can discuss it more
[[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 20:04, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::You cannot create an account, I couldn’t find the create account button there so I went to [[Special:CreateAccount]] where it said you needed to be a member to create it. There is a setting in MediaWiki where you can make others be able to request an account and you can accept it, though. That is probably what you saw. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:22, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
::::::I made it public. Should be good now (I hope!) [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 21:00, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, it works - going to create an account now. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:12, 9 October 2025 (UTC)

==lmao what is going on with your commits==

im looking at the wiki commit log feed and you seem to be having a lot of fun with commit names such as "huh" and "WHAAT". very entertaining seeing you go. have a nice day :) [[User:Plankton|Plankton]] ([[User talk:Plankton|talk]]) 19:57, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

:Yeah, I love having fun in edit summaries lol. Especially as they generally aren’t seen (except when I go to [[Special:Random]] and go to page history). Glad someone enjoys them! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:01, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
::Ive read through some of your stuff. You arent on discord so you dont know this, but on the wiki discord there is a channel that is just a big stream of commits with their summary. I love peeking through them and seeing what people are doing. [[User:Plankton|Plankton]] ([[User talk:Plankton|talk]]) 20:03, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
:::LOL what??? That is insane… Thanks for telling me that, that is so funny! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:05, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
::::you can also go to [[Special:RecentChanges]] [[User:Plankton|Plankton]] ([[User talk:Plankton|talk]]) 20:08, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, I have recently taken up a habit of patrolling that, but I don’t think many others (if any others at all) do that, so an entire channel dedicated to discord is a much bigger step up. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:09, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
::::::person after my own heart lol [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:06, 15 January 2026 (UTC)

==listen man you are awesome==

i dont know how you find the time to contribute this much to the wiki but man you are awesome. keep it up. [[User:Plankton|Plankton]] ([[User talk:Plankton|talk]]) 03:58, 27 October 2025 (UTC)

:Thanks! <s>the answer is I have no life</s> [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:05, 27 October 2025 (UTC)

==Congratulations!==

You won!!

For the first year of the Wiki, you've made more edits than anyone else! Louis doesn't count cause he cheated with bulk image import.

We'll be getting a proper awards/profile medal plugin in the next month or so, and you'll absolutely be getting a shiny gold one! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 17:34, 14 January 2026 (UTC)

:Nice! Glad about a new plugin coming, the current one does try but it doesn't get perfect results! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:40, 14 January 2026 (UTC)
::The moment I saw it said 1000 articles I knew I had to immediately [https://web.archive.org/web/20260114171716/https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Main_Page archive it]. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:53, 14 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Nice! James was gutted last night because it was at 999, and then he created one, and then went to the front page, and saw that you had deleted two old ones so it went to 998! Looks like we're comfortably at/over 1000 now though. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:28, 14 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Oh no! Well, I had to do what I had to do... [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 19:31, 14 January 2026 (UTC)

==SINEXTITAN THERE ARE MILLIONS==

wha? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:02, 15 January 2026 (UTC)

:what feels like millions of files you marked for deletion. im trying to find a way to delete all of them at once right now [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:05, 15 January 2026 (UTC)
::lmao pick up the pace buddy cuz I ain't done 😎 [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:08, 15 January 2026 (UTC)
:::oh. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:08, 15 January 2026 (UTC)
::::hey a question, getting a "Warning: A file by that name has been deleted or moved.". do I ignore it? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:20, 15 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::ignore, I've gotten that before out of nowhere too [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:21, 15 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::yo dis what? [[File:Rainbow trout transparent.png]] [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:44, 15 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::::for a very stupid import of Wikipedia ({{wplink|Template:Trout|this was where I got it from}}), so I'll delete it now [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:45, 15 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::::lmao cool cool. I didn't even know of its existence. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:47, 15 January 2026 (UTC)

==I'm fookin gutted m8==

hope you don't mind the prank lol [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:28, 24 January 2026 (UTC)

:no I don't lol [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 19:30, 24 January 2026 (UTC)
::also you spelt my name wrong in the deletion log. it's spelt S i n e x T i t a n. please keep that in mind for the ''next'' time [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:36, 24 January 2026 (UTC)
:::okay cinekschichun [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 19:37, 24 January 2026 (UTC)
::::>:( fine AnotherConsumerButtPerson [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:37, 24 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::hey so my shit disappeared from [[Special:ContributionScores]] lol [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 21:32, 24 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::wait what [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:59, 25 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::::welp sorry [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:59, 25 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::::nah it's cool lmao. kinda enjoying myself being a ghost lol. I get to haunt #1. besides, in the grand scheme of things what's sm stupid binary? I already knows in my heart I'm #1, which's all that matters. <3 [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 07:29, 25 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::yay its fixed now! so much for haunting the leaderboards lmao [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 14:41, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

==disscussion in the disscussion :O==

hey so I started [[Chat Control]] a while back and today I checked it after seeing Mullvad's latest post on the Fediverse. It's pretty much in the same state as I last left it. I only know abt Chat Control as much as I've contributed and I currently don't have the time to further contribute. I couldn't figure out where to discuss this and didn't want to clog up [[Consumer Rights Wiki talk:Moderators' noticeboard]], so I hope you don't mind. Is there a way we can further its development b4 the June deadline? The negotations have started recently so the lack of coverage could be excused, but I feel like this problem is one that mandates the wiki. People could link their reps this article for them to read and comprehend as to y this is a problem to be opposed. Alongside people that never heard of it, know little abt it or whatever their situation might be, can be further enlightened on the topic. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:35, 26 February 2026 (UTC)

:Sure, I haven't seen Mullvad's post yet though. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:02, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
::Can you provide a link to Mullvad's post? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:33, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::[https://mastodon.online/@mullvadnet/116137711661598894 here] [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I've added a bit, more to come soon (if I don't forget). [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:25, 1 March 2026 (UTC)

==Hmmm==

You might wanna add the scoring template on my user page so I can see the numbers man ...... is it true!??? [[User:Im8685|Im8685]] ([[User talk:Im8685|talk]]) 08:11, 9 March 2026 (UTC)

:*from [[User:Im8685|Im8685]] ([[User talk:Im8685|talk]]) 08:11, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
I won't display it on my userpage, but I'll put it here. For licensing reasons, I'll say I got the table from [[User:Im8685]].
{| class="wikitable" align="right"
|+'''<big>Current Contribution Scores</big>'''
!Total Score||{{#cscore:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson}}
|-
!Edited Pages||{{#cscore:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|pages}}
|-
!Total Changes||{{#cscore:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|changes}}
|} [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:06, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
{{Clear}}

==Psst==

we're not officially launching it yet (will probably do so on sunday or monday), but we're setting up the zulip now and want to get mods etc. onboarded. Expect a bit of jank while we do the setup!

https://zulip.consumerrights.wiki/ [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 22:42, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'll log in now (with a temp email address). [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:08, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Keith|Keith]] are temp email addresses allowed? I had to specifically get one with a gmail.com domain because the others are disallowed. Or is that a discord issue?? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:16, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
:::shouldn't be anything to do with discord - I'll pass it on to jake [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 06:41, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

==adding archive video to article==

hey,

wondering if it would be possible (and a good idea) to upload this instagram reel from this wiki article to the wiki: [[Happy Bar & Grill biometric surveillance tool development#cite ref-12]] Citation #12, that way it's uploaded to the wiki and it's basically archived.

I unfortunately don't have an archive.org account otherwise I would've made a page for it and linked to it as an archive. I don't think wayback does backups for instagram pages.

Can't upload the video to the wiki, says it requires sysops priv.

The video is here if you or someone else would like to upload it and add it to the article: https://bin.nixnet.services/?175d0b8a39f3b062#HEoLUhyAiRUAJoyP5NqkzYBjbkMUxsPtuNfhwr6Li5Ac

it'll be valid for a month. Proceed how you like, it's your decision to use it or not.

Also, if there's a website that does video archives without an account, I'd love to know about it.

- L4C [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 20:20, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

:I've found this: https://imginn.com/reel/DSUYij0jLkY but it doesn't seem like an archival service. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:30, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'm not entirely sure of the copyright status of the video though, so I'm currently not sure if I should upload it or not in the first place. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:32, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson

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Template talk:Cleanup

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==Choosing a color for better legibility on light mode==

The light neon blue as the outline for this template is in my opinion not looking legible enough against a white background. Is it okay if I change it to a darker color? Edit: I did it [[User:Reform|Reform]] ([[User talk:Reform|talk]]) 15:05, 28 January 2026 (UTC)

:I don't see why not. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:21, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

==Reason field==

Would it be possible to add a reason field for display, like what [[:Template:DeletionRequest]] does? It'd save editors from having to give it in the edit summary instead, and people are not as likely to look there first. — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 01:48, 26 February 2026 (UTC)

:Sorry for not seeing this earlier. I think cases with this template are much more clear cut aw often there may be e.g 8 paragraphs in the lead and nothing else. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:22, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

Moderator Guidelines

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AnotherConsumerRightsPerson: THIS SHOULD'VE BEEN DONE A YEAR AGO

#REDIRECT [[Consumer Rights Wiki:Moderator guidelines]]

Consumer Rights Wiki:Moderator guidelines

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AnotherConsumerRightsPerson: /* A. Available tags: */ +template:cleanup

==Moderator rules for evaluating and processing submissions==
These rules aim to provide clear guidance for moderators to determine whether a submission should be included in the wiki and outline what changes or additional information would be required for inclusion.
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===1. Determining inclusion in the wiki===

====A. General criteria for inclusion (non-Theme articles):====
An article submission is appropriate for the wiki if all of the following can be demonstrated:

*The article fits into one of the proscribed article types, or has a very compelling reason for not conforming to one of these article types
*'''If the article is an incident page,''' it describes an issue which fits into one of the following categories:

#'''Systemic nature:'''
#*The incident demonstrates a pattern of systemic abuse, negligence, or policy that aligns with modern consumer exploitation (e.g., revocation of ownership, barriers to repair, forced obsolescence, data misuse).
#*It is not an isolated or anecdotal incident caused by individual employee misconduct unless it reflects a broader systemic issue.
#*Note: it is permissible for an incident to be positive, as long as it is both notable and relevant. A positive incident, however, should not simply be the rolling back of a policy which resulted in a negative incident - it must be an actively positive incident (e.g. a mass refunding of customers in a scenario where the company was not responsible for the failing, and had no obligation to repair the failing)
#'''Relevance to modern consumer exploitation:'''
#*The case directly relates to new forms of exploitation outlined in the [[mission statement]] (e.g., policies impacting ownership rights, privacy, or repairability).
#*It does not belong on platforms like Yelp (e.g., general customer service issues, personal disputes).

*'''If the article is a company page:'''

#The company is connected to at least one incident which meets the guidelines above
#The company does not have an existing page, which the article should be merged with (e.g. if the company has changed names)
#Note: If a company is a subsidiary of a larger company, whether it has its own page should be determined by an assessment of a number of factors, including:
#*The size of the parent company (i.e. is the parent too large to *not* be split into its subsidiaries? Could the activity of all subsidiaries be easily covered within the parent's page?)
#*The level of managerial independance - how independent is the management of the subsidiary from the parent company, and from other subsidiaries?
*'''If the article is a person page:'''

#The article is compliant with the [[Living Persons Policy|Living Persons policy]]. If article is non-compliant, then delete content, or the entire article, as appropriate.
#The subject of the article is a person with major decision-making influence over one or more incident pages, at least one of which must be of high quality (properly sourced, so on and so forth)

*'''For all pages:'''

#'''Verifiable evidence:'''
#*In order for an article to be appropriate for submission, it must be verifiable. This does NOT mean that it must be properly sourced and fully compliant with wiki policy from its very creation. It instead means that it must be reasonably possible to source evidence which could support its claims. If the article relates to an issue which has not been documented by any acceptable source, then the article is unverifiable, and should be removed.
#*Allegations are supported by specific details rather than vague or subjective descriptions.
#'''Tone and presentation:'''
#*The submission avoids inflammatory language, emotional appeals, or promotional content. Any article which is obviously fake or appears more akin to an angry yelp review than something which belongs on this Wiki should be marked for removal, or rapidly edited to a point where it does not violate this rule.
====B. General criteria for inclusion (Theme articles):====

*The article must describe a theme which is relevant to Consumer Protection (new or old).
*The article must not be about a theme which is already present in the Wiki under a different name. In the case where two articles cover the same theme, they should either be merged, or the worse (as decided by admins or by a talk page discussion) of the two should be deleted.

====C. Automatic exclusion criteria:====
'''A submission should be rejected if:'''

*It describes an isolated incident with no evidence of systemic relevance.
*It is based on ''unverifiable'' claims or relies solely on anecdotal evidence.
*The issue concerns employee rights, labor disputes, or government misconduct unrelated to consumer protection regulation or enforcement. '''This is a wiki about consumer protection, not about general corporate maleficence. If the article does not relate to the interaction between the provider of a product or service, and the consumer of that product or service, then it does not belong here!'''

----

===2. Identifying articles in need of flags (stubs and beyond)===
These are guidelines for the implementation of the Wiki's content policies and editorial guidelines.

Please note that, as per the Wiki's [[Living Persons Policy]], a stricter approach should be taken to the moderation of articles about, or which mention, Living People.

====A. Available tags:====
Articles which are substantially non-compliant with Wiki rules can (and should) be marked with the tags described below. The purposes of such flags are twofold:
#to warn the reader of a potentially low-quality article, and
#to bring such articles to the attention of admins and other editors, who may improve or remove the article.

'''❗❗❗ HOW TO USE STUB NOTICES ON AN ARTICLE ❗❗❗'''

These tags can be used by writing <code><nowiki>{{TagName}}</nowiki></code> at the top of an article in the source editor. For instance, to use the Incomplete stubnotice, type the following at the TOP of the article, & follow it by a line break''(a new line, aka hit enter on the keyboard)''

<code><nowiki>{{Incomplete}}</nowiki></code>

It is recommended to include a new line after the tag is added in order to make sure any future additions by users via the visual editor do not fall in the same line and causing problems with saving changes (as only wiki moderators can remove or add notices).
Adding tags via the visual editor is possible using the insert dialog but is not recommended as it can cause formatting or placement issues due to the lack of placement control.
When adding notices, take into account the impact it may have on an artticle contributor, and if neccesary, offer some word of advice or encouragement to avoid 'biting' the contributor, especially if they are new and the edits or articles they have produced are one of their first on the Wiki. It is an unpleasant experience to work on something and then have someone come along and say 'this is a bit rubbish' via an article notice, without offering additonal explanation or advice.

*[[Template:StubNotice|StubNotice]] Use for an article which is simply underdeveloped: the content currently within it does not justify its existence, but there is nothing wrong in concept with such an article existing in the wiki.
*[[Template:Incomplete|Incomplete]] Use for an article that has the potential to be high-quality, but is dangerously under-cited, or the citations are to dubious sources. This should only lead to deletion if it is in violation of the No Original Research policy, or if no good sources exist with which to fix it.
*[[Template:ToneWarning|ToneWarning]] Use for an article where the tone is significantly non-compliant, and needs major improvement
*[[Template:Irrelevant|Irrelevant]] Use for an article that is on the edge of not being relevant, and an editor feels falls foul of the inclusion criteria above. Basically a limbo to put articles in where their merits can be discussed before a decision is made on their deletion.
*[[Template:DeletionRequest|DeletionRequest]] Use for an article which is clearly irrelevant, spam, or not likely to be improved.
*[[Template:SloppyAI|SloppyAI]] Use for an article where AI is heavily used without enough care and/or supervision to guarantee the credibility or readability or the article.
*[[Template:Cleanup|Cleanup]] Use for when an article has good content, but lacks a clear structure

Optionally when using the <code>Incomplete</code> tag, up to four specific issues with the article can be pointed out by including <code><nowiki>Issue 1/2/3/4</nowiki></code> parameters these appear in a numbered list in the notice (see [[Template:Incomplete|Incomplete]] for example usage).

Using the tags on articles automatically places them in categories in order to make going through them easier, both for users in order to improve them and for moderators to delete as necessary. The implicit categorization structure is as follows:
{| class="wikitable" style="margin:auto"
!Notice/Tag
!Category
!Parent category
!Umbrella category
|-
|<code>StubNotice</code>
|[[:Category:Articles requiring expansion|Articles requiring expansion]]
| rowspan="3" |[[:Category:Articles in need of additional work |Articles in need of additional work]]
| rowspan="6" |[[:Category:Todo|Todo]]
|-
|<code>Incomplete</code>
|[[:Category:Articles with verification concerns or other deficiencies|Articles with verification concerns or other deficiencies]]
|-
|<code>ToneWarning</code>
|[[:Category:Articles requiring change in tone|Articles requiring change in tone]]
|-
|<code>Irrelevant</code>
| colspan="2" |[[:Category:Articles marked as irrelevant|Articles marked as irrelevant]]
|-
|<code>DeletionRequest</code>
| colspan="2" |[[:Category:Articles with deletion requests|Articles with deletion requests]]
|-
|<code>SloppyAI</code>
| colspan="2" |[[:Category:Articles that heavily rely on AI|Articles that heavily rely on AI]]
|}

It is also worth noting that articles created via the [[Consumer_Rights_Wiki:Create page| Create page]] dialog that include placeholder boxes will also be added to the [[:Category:Articles in need of additional work|Articles in need of work]] category.

Since the page creation form does not add any content to pages when they are first created, article notices should not be placed on a newly created article until around 12 hours after the article's creation.
The exceptions to this are as follows:
#If the article is obviously of questionable relevance, it is sensible to put an Irrelevant notice on the article and initiate those discussions early, rather than waiting for the contributor to write the whole thing before discussing whether it fits on the wiki
#If the article has been started with an obviously incorrect tone, a ToneWarning or message on the article's discussion page should be provided to try and steer the contributor towards the correct presentation of information
#If the article is obvious spam, a deletion notice should be issued, or the article should be simply deleted (depending on whether there is any room for interpretation around whether the article is spam)

====B. 'In need of work' Category:====
The [[:Category:Articles_in_need_of_additional_work|articles in need of work]] category contains articles which require editor attention. Articles with an notice, or articles with leftover placeholder template elements from the article creation workflow, will be automatically placed in this category.

Articles should be removed from this category when they are, broadly, in an acceptable state. This removal is tied to the removal of the notices or placeholder boxes. In some cases users may have categorized the articles themselves however, in such cases, the appropriate notice should be used instead of just the category in order to visually communicate where editors and readers should pay attention.

====C. Evidence requirements:====
A good article, not in need of marking, should '''substantiate its claims.'''

*Utilise sources in line with [[Wiki Content Policies#Verifiability|the Wiki's verifiability policy]].
*Corroborate patterns or systemic relevance through multiple examples or reports

====D. Alignment with mission:====
A good article, not in need of marking, will make it clear how it relates to broader issues of consumer protection:

*Demonstrate (through evidence, and assertion by sources, not through direct accusation in the Wiki's voice) how the incident reflects deliberate corporate practices rather than isolated errors or rogue employee actions.
*Directly link to the theme articles describing the relevant practices.

*If the Incident affected only a small handful of consumers, demonstrate that the systems which enabled it have relevance to a wider consumer base.

====E. Tone and presentation:====
A good (non-Theme) article, not in need of marking, will be written in accordance with the Wiki's implementation of [[Wiki Content Policies|NPOV (Neutral Point-Of-View):]]

*'''The article should be neutral and factual,''' without unnecessarily emotional language, and without coming across as an expression of personal grievances or irrelevant hypotheticals.
*The citing of sources for opinion or commentary should present a balanced and rational view, without giving undue weight to fringe opinions.

====F. Deletion requests and merge requests:====
Users can use the request templates <code>DeletionRequest</code> ([[Template:DeletionRequest|deletion request template page]]) and <code>MergeRequest</code>[[Template:MergeRequest| merge request template page]]) to indicate pages that may need deletion. DeletionRequest notices should not be applied to articles which could be reasonably served by other notices, as they appear quite aggressive, and could serve to 'bite' newbies. Their primary use is for spam, and for non-moderators to alert moderators of pages which may need deletion. For pages which don't belong on the wiki due to their topic (but it appears that the author of the article has created the article in good faith), the Irrelevant notice should be used instead. For severely underdeveloped pages, use stub notices, and so on. A page which has been an extremely short stub for a long time with no sign of maintenance can be served with a deletion notice if it appears abandoned. Look through the [[:Category:Articles with merge requests|Articles with merge requests]] and [[:Category:Articles with deletion requests|Articles with deletion requests]] categories (both in the[[:Category:Todo| todo]] category) in order to look though these requests.

If a deletion request is determined to be valid after suitable time for discussion has passed (~1 week), the linked pages need to be handled and after that the page should be deleted by a moderator. If a talk page is present before deletion, it is best practice to keep the talk page as its contents usually explain to readers why the page was deleted.

In cases of merge requests, things might not be as simple. After deciding on the page which is to be kept, and moving all relevent content to that page, the page [[Special:MergeHistory]] should be used in order to maintain the edit history and contributors. This might become complicated if three or more pages are to be merged, so they should be merged sequentially to avoid conflicts. After merging, and ensuring the retention of all edit history, any redundant pages should be deleted.

====3. Identifying file submissions in need of flags====

Files uploaded to the wiki must comply with copyright and licensing requirements. The templates below can be applied to file pages to indicate their licensing status or flag problematic uploads that require moderator attention.

====A. Available file notice templates:====
{| class="wikitable" style="margin:auto"
!Template
!Purpose
!Category Added
!Moderator Priority
|-
|<code>No_license</code>
|Files uploaded without any license information
|[[:Category:Files with no license]], [[:Category:Suspected copyright violations]]
|High - Deletion candidate
|-
|<code>Stolen</code>
|Files uploaded without permission from copyright holder
|[[:Category:Suspected copyright violations]]
|High - Deletion candidate
|-
|<code>Fairuse</code>
|Copyrighted material claimed under fair use
|None (legitimate use if properly applied)
|Medium - Requires verification
|-
|<code>Permission</code>
|Copyrighted files used with explicit permission
|[[:Category:Files with permission]]
|Low - Legitimate if documented
|-
|<code>Self</code>
|Original work by uploader, rights reserved
|None
|Low - Legitimate
|-
|<code>Self-PublicDomain</code>
|Original work released to public domain by creator
|[[:Category:Public domain]]
|Low - Legitimate
|-
|<code>From_Wikimedia</code>
|Files imported from Wikimedia projects
|None
|Low - Generally legitimate
|-
|<code>CC-BY-SA</code>
|Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike licensed
|[[:Category:Creative Commons licensed images]]
|Low - Legitimate
|-
|<code>CC-BY</code>
|Creative Commons Attribution licensed
|[[:Category:Creative Commons licensed images]]
|Low - Legitimate
|-
|<code>CC0</code>
|Creative Commons public domain dedication
|[[:Category:Public domain]], [[:Category:Creative Commons licensed images]]
|Low - Legitimate
|-
|<code>PD</code>
|General public domain designation
|[[:Category:Public domain]]
|Low - Generally legitimate
|-
|<code>PD-USGov</code>
|US government work in public domain
|[[:Category:Public domain]]
|Low - Legitimate if accurate
|}

====B. High-priority templates requiring moderator action:====

'''No_license Template:'''
Files marked with this template have been uploaded without any licensing information whatsoever. These represent clear policy violations and should be prioritized for deletion or license identification unless the uploader can provide proper licensing documentation. The template warns that the file "may not be used legally" and gives uploaders an opportunity to correct the licensing before deletion. Once the initial backlog of improperly labeled file uploads has been cleared, such deletion should be swift going forwards

'''Stolen Template:'''
This template indicates files that appear to be copyrighted material uploaded without the copyright holder's permission. These files pose significant legal risk to the wiki and should be handled expeditiously. Unlike <code>No_license</code> files which might simply lack documentation, <code>Stolen</code> files suggest active copyright infringement. Moderators should verify the copyright status and delete if the uploader cannot provide valid permission or fair use justification.

====C. Medium-priority templates requiring verification:====

'''Fairuse Template:'''
Files using this template claim protection under fair use doctrine. While fair use can be legitimate, it requires careful analysis to ensure the use meets legal criteria. Moderators should verify that:
*The use is for criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, or research
*The amount used is reasonable and necessary
*The use does not harm the market for the original work
*The file is being used in a transformative manner that serves the wiki's educational mission

Improperly claimed fair use should be corrected with appropriate licensing or removed.

'''Permission Template:'''
Files marked with permission claims should have accompanying documentation proving the copyright holder has granted usage rights. Moderators should verify that such permission exists and is properly documented. Without adequate proof, these files should be treated similarly to <code>Stolen</code> files.

====D. File categorization and cleanup:====
Files with problematic licensing are automatically categorized to facilitate moderator review:
*[[:Category:Files with no license]] - Contains all unlicensed uploads requiring immediate attention
*[[:Category:Suspected copyright violations]] - Includes both <code>No_license</code> and <code>Stolen</code> files
*[[:Category:Files with permission]] - Allows verification of permission claims

Regular review of these categories should be part of standard moderation workflow, with priority given to clearing the suspected copyright violations category.

==Example application of rules==

===Case: Amazon broke Into my garage to deliver my parcel!===
A user reported that an Amazon delivery driver accessed their garage through their phone without authorization on two separate occasions to deliver packages. The incident was captured on camera, and Amazon confirmed the driver had no instructions to enter the garage. The user expressed concerns about their guard dog, and children's safety.
#'''Inclusion decision:'''
#*'''Not included''': The submission describes an isolated incident caused by an employee, with no evidence of systemic policy or failure. It lacks corroborating evidence and relevance to modern consumer exploitation.
#'''Changes needed:'''
#*Provide documentation (e.g., video footage, Amazon's internal logs).
#*Demonstrate a pattern of similar incidents or systemic flaws in Amazon's delivery authorization process.

===Case: AppleCare sucks===
User received multiple replacements for Apple Watch Series 8 through AppleCare, seeking a model matching original condition. Lost oxygen monitoring feature and received scratched replacements, spending nearly $1,300 in fees across three replacements.
#'''Inclusion decision:'''
#*'''Not included''': The submission lacks evidence of systemic issues and appears anecdotal. The tone is emotional and lacks verifiable claims.
#'''Changes needed:'''
#*Supply receipts or documented communications showing a pattern of mishandled replacements.
#*Remove article, and potentially use as an example when tied into wider issues with Apple's broader repair or replacement practices.

===Case: Samsung Fold screen issue===
User reported that after updating their Fold 3 to One UI 6.1.1, they experienced screen issues including auto-rotate failures, blank screens, and sound problems. Samsung support claimed it affected 3% of users and offered only paid repairs despite the issue arising from their software update.
#'''Inclusion decision:'''
#*'''Potentially valid''': It is based on a single user's experience and lacks substantial evidence of a widespread issue. If evidence were gathered, and the issue was found to be legitimate by outside sources, it could be suitable for inclusion in the Wiki.
#'''Changes needed:'''
#*Issue could be revisited if covered by reputable tech outlets.
#*Provide documentation through credible sources as a systemic problem affecting multiple users.

===Case: Motorola/Lenovo warranty issue===
Multiple customers report issues with Motorola phones under Lenovo ownership, including denied warranties, features removed after updates (e.g., Always On Screen), and screen problems with the Edge 30 Ultra. Users report extended service times and denied warranty claims across different countries.
#'''Inclusion decision:'''
#*'''Potentially valid''' for warranty denial if consistent and systemic pattern is documented.
#*'''Valid''' for features removal if significant functionality was removed without user consent.
#*'''Not included''' for customer service complaints as they lack relevance to modern consumer protection, or substantial evidence of widespread problems.
#'''Changes needed:'''
#*Provide credible evidence of multiple verified complaints.
#*Document company policy regarding warranty denials.
#*Demonstrate widespread impact of feature removal.

===Case: Apple Genius Bar repair===
User's $4000 MacBook Pro had bent hinges after a small drop. Apple Genius Bar quoted $920 for full screen replacement, claiming hinges couldn't be fixed separately. Local repair shop fixed it for $200 by adjusting hinges. Apple refused to do detailed repairs or open computers for diagnosis.
#'''Inclusion decision:'''
#*'''Not included''': While high repair costs and repair refusal policies are documented issues, this case lacks new insights.
#'''Changes needed:'''
#*Provide evidence of new policies or practices beyond existing documentation.
#*Demonstrate unique aspects of this case that add to current understanding.

===Case: Apple stealing my life-saving idea===
A medical doctor claims to have pitched a life-saving software idea to Apple through a contact. After a year of waiting, Apple indicated they might use the idea without cooperation.
#'''Inclusion decision:'''
#*'''Not included''': The submission is based on unverified claims and involves intellectual property rather than consumer issues.
#'''Changes needed:'''
#*Provide supporting evidence for claims.
#*Demonstrate relevance to consumer exploitation rather than IP disputes.

===Case: Apple Store repair in Brazil===
A person brought a 5-year-old iPhone 11 for battery replacement at official Apple Store in Rio. After a $170 service, both cameras stopped working. Apple blamed previous unauthorized repairs and refused refund.
#'''Inclusion decision:'''
#*'''Not included''': Lacks context about device condition and evidence of Apple's role in damage.
#'''Changes needed:'''
#*Provide documentation of device's prior condition.
#*Demonstrate connection to systemic issues rather than isolated incident.
#*Include verifiable evidence of Apple's involvement.

[[Category:CRW]]

Right to own

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AnotherConsumerRightsPerson: destub

The '''right to own''' (also '''right of ownership''') is the expectation of the buyer of a product to be its owner in a general sense. This concept is a response to various actions by product manufacturers that put buyer's ownership into question, such as designing a product to act against buyer's interests or actively interfering in product maintenance or modification by the buyer, who generally presumes to become a full legal owner of the product, to whom such actions should not be restricted. Such cases are examples of a process commonly recognized as '''erosion of ownership'''.<ref>{{Cite web |last=Kamleitner |first=Bernadette |date=2018 |title=Blurring Boundaries and the Erosion of Ownership |url=https://research.wu.ac.at/en/publications/blurring-boundaries-and-the-erosion-of-ownership-7/ |url-status=live |website=WU Vienna University of Economics and Business}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |last=Greene |first=Dan |date=2021-04-21 |title=The erosion of personal ownership |url=https://www.vox.com/the-goods/22387601/smart-fridge-car-personal-ownership-internet-things |url-status=live |website=Vox}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |last=Moss |first=Sasha |date=2017-01-26 |title=The erosion of ownership in the digital age |url=https://www.rstreet.org/commentary/the-erosion-of-ownership-in-the-digital-age/ |url-status=live |website=R Street Institute}}</ref>

== The dispute over ownership ==
The extent of ownership is in dispute between manufacturers and buyers, where both sides seek to define it in their favor. This dispute emerged after technological advancements which have made products more complex and, in some cases, capable of being operated or altered remotely.

Defense against changes made forcibly by the manufacturer was previously provided by laws that establish physical security for a person and their property. Now that physical proximity is no longer required and changes can be made remotely, manufacturers have started to abuse the newly found freedom to unilaterally make changes to products beyond consumers' expectations, sometimes for the better, but sometimes also for the worse.{{Citation needed}}

Meanwhile, an increase in product complexity has made it difficult for users to fully understand the extent of control product manufacturer keeps after the purchase — manufacturers abuse this difficulty to coerce buyers into accepting the terms of purchase they do not fully understand and would presumably refuse if they did.{{Citation needed}}

==Common issues==
Product issues commonly associated with erosion of ownership can be roughly categorized into the following groups:

=== Remote access ===
Product designs that incorporate some form of remote access to a product for the manufacturer. This is especially prevalent in products that are designed to connect to the internet.

Manufacturers can build products to have not just remote access to user-facing product features, which they can provide to the user as a feature by itself (e. g. though mobile apps), but possibly with additional functions only available to the manufacturer, not the user. This connection allows the manufacturer to remotely reconfigure a device in a way that is detrimental to its owner, e. g. to [[Part pairing|detect a part replacement the manufacturer did not authorize]], to [[Retroactive policy enforcement|lock previously free function of a device under a new subscription]] or even [[Discontinuation bricking|brick the device entirely when it's discontinued]].

Centralized remote access infrastructure is also an attractive target for bad actors that seek to take control of many devices at once, one instance of security oversight on part of the manufacturer can potentially compromise entire product lines.

=== Maintenance impediments ===
{{Main|Right to repair}}
Prolonged functioning of products often requires maintenance, such as replacement of wear parts and repair. Some manufacturers impose artificial constraints on maintenance of their products in a way that either keeps them involved in the maintenance process after the purchase or discourages maintenance entirely in order to reduce devices' lifespans and boost sales.

Common techniques for this include deliberate use of non-standard parts, difficult procedure for wear part replacement, use of disposable parts (that are difficult to detach without breaking them), exclusivity agreements with parts manufacturers, restricted access to product schematics, part serialization and excessively restricted sale of spare parts (e. g. repair programs with excessive requirements, prohibitively high prices).

=== Conflict of interest ===
Products can be designed to protect the interests of parties other than the owner, most commonly the manufacturer and their business partners. The most common example of this is [[digital rights management]], which denies certain capabilities of a device to its owner under certain manufacturer-controlled circumstances, e. g. during playback of DRM-protected content.

Other examples include denying installation of software chosen by the owner (restrictions on [[sideloading]] and installation of aftermarket operating systems), locking the user into [[Cloud (service)|using manufacturer's services]] with no independent alternative and [[Right to own#Remote access|remotely controlling a device in ways its owner would not authorize]].

=== Poor security ===
{{Main|Security}}
Products that incorporate poor security measures can be exploited by unauthorized actors. Depending on the extent of access gained by circumventing security measures, consequences of this may range from misuse of product functions to effectively complete loss of ownership though theft.

A prominent example of this is [[car entry systems]], many of which did not use rolling code key systems and can be abused by devices like the [[Flipper Zero]] and other commonly available tools for security research.

=== Product-as-a-Service ===
Situations where a category of products is unavailable for purchase, with their functions only available as a service, despite the product's nature not necessitating it. Manufacturer of a product-as-a-service actively provides the product in this arrangement and may choose to stop doing so unilaterally at any time.

[[Software as a service|Initially popularized among software products]], companies have recently started to offer physical products in this way as well, e. g. [[electronics leasing]].

There is typically no expectation of ownership for products offered in this way, because instead of a purchase it happens through a [[subscription service]]. Which starts to become an ownership problem when a large part of a product ''category'' transitions to this format due to it being a much more lucrative and financially stable business model compared to selling products. This, however, comes at the expense of consumers — financial benefits of this business model for the manufacturer come straight from consumers' pockets.

Sometimes, however, a product is sold for a one-time cost [[Cloud (service)|with a service built-in]], conditioning its functioning (in whole or in part) on that service being provided, effectively making the initial purchase a gateway into a future service subscription.

'''Examples:''' [[Adobe]], [[Microsoft]], [[IoT]] Devices that rely on [[Cloud (service)|servers and services outside your home]], with or without subscriptions, [[Games as a service]]

==References==
<references />
[[Category:Common terms]]
[[Category:Positive practices]]
[[Category:Articles in need of additional work]]

Talk:Right to own

2026-03-14T17:00:48Z

AnotherConsumerRightsPerson: /* Rename to "Erosion of ownership"? */ Reply

I'm not finished completing this article and I promise to create the articles I've created Red Links for when I wake next.

If my changes are still here and are considered useful, that is. [[User:Webmistress|Webmistress]] ([[(User talk: Webmistress|talk]]) 05:38, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

:I started expanding on the definition of the problem and got a little carried away, in the end rewriting almost the whole thing, using prior revision as scaffolding. I left the red links in the security section be.
:Would appreciate a review of the new revision to see if I kept the intent and the scope in line with the article's purpose.
:Particularly, the new classification of ownership issues I established there seems a little blurry on the edges between them, but that seems to be inevitable, since they're kinda related. [[User:D-side|D-side]] ([[User talk:D-side|talk]]) 16:13, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

==Rename to "Erosion of ownership"?==

Looking up "right to ownership" and "right to own" seems to commonly bring up the legal concept of "right to property". While absolutely related, it's a little too wide, the subject of the article is more about that ownership being subtly taken away.

I've added 3 citations that mention "erosion of ownership" in the same sense, and after fleshing out the "Common issues" section I started wondering if that should actually be the article's title, since that wording in particular seems to be more widespread in association with what's being discussed in the article. [[User:D-side|D-side]] ([[User talk:D-side|talk]]) 16:19, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

:That could work. I've created it as a redirect. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:00, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

Erosion of ownership

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AnotherConsumerRightsPerson: Redirected page to Right to own

#REDIRECT [[Right to own]]

PlayStation

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AnotherConsumerRightsPerson: /* PlayStation 3 Incidents */

{{Stub}}
{{CompanyCargo
|Industry=Video Games, Consoles
|ParentCompany=Sony
|Website=https://www.playstation.com/
|Logo=PlayStation logo.svg|Founded=1990-02-28|Type=Subsidiary|CompanyAlias=PS, Sony's PlayStation}}

The '''PlayStation''' is a line of consoles developed by [[Sony]].

==Consumer-impact summary==
{{Ph-C-CIS}}

==Incidents==
This is a list of all consumer-protection incidents this company is involved in. Any incidents not mentioned here can be found in the [[:Category:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|{{PAGENAME}} category]].

===Online Services Incidents===

======Hardware bans from online services======
{{Main|Sony Playstation hardware bans from online services}}
Often, [[Sony]] has banned consoles from playing online to the point where it is baked into the hardware, making you have to replace the hardware to get unbanned.

======Sony's attempted removal of "purchased" content on the playstation library======
{{Main| Sony's attempted removal of "purchased" content}}'''[[Sony]]''' initially announced that it would remove purchased Discovery TV shows from [[PlayStation]] users' libraries due to licensing issues

======PlayStation Network Account Requirement for PC Games======
{{Main|PlayStation Network Account Requirement for PC Games}}Sony requires a PSN account be made or used for Playstation games ported to PC and sold on the PC, including games that were solely single player such as Last of Us Part 2.

===PlayStation 2 Incidents===

===PlayStation 3 Incidents===
=====Removal of OtherOS=====
{{Main|PlayStation 3 Removal of OtherOS with System Update 3.21}}
PlayStation 3 systems supported a feature known as "OtherOS" until system update 3.21 on April 1, 2010 with Sony stating it was removed due to "security concerns".

======"Yellow Light of Death" bricks the console======
{{Main|PlayStation 3 "Yellow Light of Death"}}
Due to a likely defect in the 90nm graphic processing units (GPUs) of early PlayStation 3s, these models are extremely prone to GPU failures.

===PlayStation 4 Incidents===

===PlayStation 5 Incidents===

======PlayStation restricts how developers can give upgrades to "PS5" editions======
{{Main|PlayStation restricts how developers can give upgrades to "PS5" editions}}
[[Sony]] have restricted how and what developers can offer people upgrading from a PS4 edition to a PS5 edition of a game post launch.

======Introduction of [[Electronics leasing]]======
{{Main|PlayStation Lease with Flex}}
At the start of 2026, Sony announced the '''Lease with Flex''' service in partnership with [[Raylo]] for its PlayStation hardware. Advertised on the PlayStation Direct website, the service allows users in the UK to lease consoles and accessories on flexible monthly terms or fixed 12–36-month plans with no upfront cost.

Unlike traditional installment purchases that lead to eventual ownership, Flex and other leasing models do not result in the consumer owning the console outright. Once the contract term ends, the hardware must be returned regardless of payments already made, or the consumer must enter a separate purchase negotiation.

==Products==

===Home consoles:===

*PlayStation (1994)
*PlayStation 2 (2000)
*PlayStation 3 (2006)
*PlayStation 4 (2013)
*PlayStation 5 (2020)

'''Handheld consoles:'''

*PlayStation Portable (2004)
*PlayStation Vita (2011)
'''Controllers:'''

*DualShock (1997)
*DualShock 2 (2000)
*Sixaxis (2006)
*DualShock 3 (2007)
*DualShock 4 (2013)
*DualSense (2020)

==See also==

*[[Digital rights management]]
*[[Nintendo]]
*[[Xbox]]

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:{{PAGENAME}}]]
[[Category:PlayStation]]

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Consumer Rights Wiki talk:Moderators' noticeboard/Archive 6

2026-03-13T22:27:01Z

AnotherConsumerRightsPerson: Archive even more

{{Archive}}
==stub notice bug==

I tried submitting my deletion req for [[FakePortal]] but get hit with "Stub notices can NOT be removed by users with normal privileges". Tried removing the unused infoboxes in [[WhatsApp]], [[GoGuardian]], [[Asus]] and [[Roblox]], and the same dice. w h y? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:31, 12 January 2026 (UTC)

:I'll check this out now [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:19, 13 January 2026 (UTC)
::This seems to be a regular issue with the abuse filter [[Consumer_Rights_Wiki_talk:Bugs#How_do_you_edit_beginning_of_an_article_with_StubNotice?|which absolutely has been talked about before]]. It's very annoying and in my opinion we need some sort of edit request system or a new group given to users to bypass the filter, but for now I'll just check the abuse log and apply the edit manually myself. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:28, 13 January 2026 (UTC)
:The issue is when edits are made in-line with a stub notice, as (iirc) the filter checks for edits to the same line as the change [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:50, 20 January 2026 (UTC)
::the notice* [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:50, 20 January 2026 (UTC)
:::hey can this please be fixed? it's really damn annoying. removal of redundant infoboxes on [[Deep Cycle Systems]] and [[Allstate]] are triggering it [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 14:39, 25 January 2026 (UTC)
::::I can remove these now. It would be cool if a usergroup would dodge the filter. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:01, 25 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::yeah, I wonder if we should create a 'superconfirmed' group or something, which doesn't have the banning powers of a mod but can edit article notices. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:19, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::I had the same issue. Just noticed this section. [[User:Luigi2262|Luigi2262]] ([[User talk:Luigi2262|talk]]) 19:45, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Luigi2262|Luigi2262]] {{Done}} your edit! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:38, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Thank you. [[User:Luigi2262|Luigi2262]] ([[User talk:Luigi2262|talk]]) 20:45, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

==Idea for a new section==

An "Important" / "Must-Reads" / "Starter Pack" / "Essential Reading" section showing the most important articles to view for someone new to the Consumer Rights scene, or just someone unknowing.

Furthermore, the ability to rate an article. Perhaps as a way to show which matters are trending, because of many people having said problem with said device/service. Could be a "Saved me!", "Worked", "Didn't work", where "Saved me!" can only be used maybe once a day, to show which issues a not just trending, but very crucial. These ratings could help place relevant articles at the top of a second section within "Important"/Whatever.

These two sections would give users a place to scroll and skim through, to see if there are any matters relevant for them, like a random product they own, that they didn't know had a Consumer Rights issue.

Additionally; the ability to give pledges to article writers/editors. I'm not fully sure how it would work at the moment, but it would give people a way to support editors that produce important relevant articles. Perhaps the site could take a small cut, which both contributes to funding the server costs or the "legal fund" that Rossman mentioned, but also gives people a bigger incentive to pledge to editors, knowing that some of it goes to supporting the website and its users. [[User:Sebandar|Sebandar]] ([[User talk:Sebandar|talk]]) 19:57, 23 January 2026 (UTC)

:I would appreciate a pane with "must-reads" on the main page that highlights the articles with the widest spread effects and only includes well-written articles. Putting some articles in the same industry, like articles on Apple and Google's app store restrictions, would be especially effective, because it's nearly guaranteed that one of these applies to the reader. If you want to make a draft of this somewhere I would be down to help work on it.
:I like the article rating idea. I don't know how difficult it would be to add interactive content like this to the wiki, but it sounds like a good way to receive feedback. The only official way to receive feedback currently is on the talk pages but those are all pretty dead. Some prioritization on pageviews or feedback would be nice.
:On pledges, Wikipedia actually has something like this, it has a [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Reward_board|reward board]] where users are offered barnstars or real money to improve articles, but it's not used very much. Most users seem to be offering up prizes only for the fun of doing so, not because it's particularly effective. If the content is relevant and/or interesting, someone probably is already working on it. I don't personally think this site needs an economy but if it were to be implemented, I think we should plug donations to FULU or other affiliated foundations on the main page and then have those foundations offer microgrants for editors. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 16:02, 25 January 2026 (UTC)
::I'd probably agree with you that this isn't needed - creating an economy/bounty system is probably overkill, and unnecessarily complex at this stage. I think article ratings etc. are probably something best handled through the [[Projects:Hub|projects]] system, similar to how Wikipedia uses it for things like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Molecular_Biology/Molecular_and_Cell_Biology . creating a project like that for each article type could be a pretty decent way of going about it? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 12:57, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

==Form pages==

I made a change to [[Form:Company]] following Discord suggestion #181. I was going to add this to [[Form:Product]] and [[Form:ProductLine]] but these pages are protected.

So, I am requesting an edit to those two pages to replace "(supported file types = PNG|JPG)" with "(supported file types = JPG, PNG, SVG)" to represent the fact that SVGs are allowed, and also to admin-protect [[Form:Company]] since that's an important page. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 13:13, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

==“Summaries” of articles==

I'd like to propose an idea that I think would help people read articles in a rush. Add a box at the top of all long pages (e.g. [[YouTube]], or all that aren't stubs or marked as incomplete) that summarises the article (the incidents the company has been involved in, what it does, etc) in a couple of sentences. Let me know what you think. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:17, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

:What makes this different from a lead paragraph? Would you replace the lead paragraph entirely with this template or would it be a complementary resource with links to related company/product/theme articles? You could link to categories/other articles there. I think categories on wikis in general are overlooked by most readers and putting them at the top sounds interesting. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 16:07, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

==InfoboxCompany to CargoCompany cleanup part 2==

The companies have all been moved over now, the only [https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Special:WhatLinksHere?target=Template%3AInfoboxCompany&namespace=&limit=50 places that InfoboxCompany exist in] are in some documentation out of main namespace and on these pages where they were placed on the same line as a notice:
[[AirAsia]], [[Deep Cycle Systems]], [[Allstate]], [[Happiest Baby]], [[Verisk Analytics, Inc.]], [[DAZN]], [[Federal Communications Commission]], [[Anova Culinary]], [[Sig Sauer]], [[RepairShopr]]

Converting InfoboxProductLine and finding more pages without infoboxes or cargo... sometime. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 15:44, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

:Still need these removed if anyone has 5 minutes:
:[[AirAsia]], [[Allstate]], [[Happiest Baby]], [[Verisk Analytics, Inc.]], [[DAZN]], [[Federal Communications Commission]] [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 19:51, 29 January 2026 (UTC)
::{{Done}}. Sorry for taking so long. It'd be nice if there was a usergroup that could dodge all the edit filters. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:07, 7 February 2026 (UTC)

==Color scheme==

The main Sitenotice text is nearly the same color as the link inside of it, making it hard to distinguish where the link is if you haven't clicked the link yet. A larger contrast would be nice, since the notice is going to be up for another 25 days or so. https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sitenotice&action=edit

This also applies to most of the main page, blue/muddy purple on blue doesn't look the best, but that's a larger undertaking. If the main page is up for redesign it would be nice to take the color contrast into consideration. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 16:15, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

:I've simply made it black and white, although I don't think it is entirely fixed it. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:39, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::Please can nobody amend the theme or any elements currently, I am restyling the website. [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 17:41, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Oh, sorry. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:57, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Looks great, and has nice contrast! [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 18:56, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Thank you! Still somewhat of a work in progress, but definitely a significant improvement over the previous version. [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 18:59, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, I like it too! As an idea, make the borders rounded like the original one. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:52, 27 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::No worries, all done! [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 19:09, 27 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Wow, this looks amazing now. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:30, 28 January 2026 (UTC)

==Template troubles==

So, a lot of the articles with [[Template:Incomplete]] and cargo templates that display a box (any but IncidentCargo) have big foreheads right now (see a list of articles with Incomplete [https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Incomplete&limit=100 here]). I did some testing, the Incomplete template itself doesn't have a trailing newline, and none of the cargos have a preceding newline. A <nowiki> </nowiki><nowiki></nowiki> is being added by the parser when the two are put together, and only when they are not on the same line. I've also seen this in the wild with [[Template:SloppyAI]] and with [[Template:Welcome]] on new user talk pages. Welcome should be a simple edit fix since it's not combined with other templates, but it seems that anytime templates are combined, they must be put on the same line or they will introduce an unintended newline. You can see an instance of Incomplete and SloppyAI together causing problems on [[Samsung TVs]].

Many Wikipedia pages have several templates next to each other without this problem, for example see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2025%E2%80%932026_Iranian_protests&oldid=1334922628 2025-2026 Iranian protests]. So the problem is solvable in MediaWiki, but I don't know how much work is required to do so. According to [[:Category:Todo]], over 700 articles have these banners, which is the majority of the wiki.

If other people think it's important too, I can work on this, but I don't know how to compare this wiki's configuration against stuff in the MediaWiki documentation. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 13:35, 26 January 2026 (UTC)

:Oh yeah, some junk from my experimenting that we should delete once the problem is resolved: [[User:Bythmusters/templatetesting]], [[Qwerty]] [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 13:37, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::Do you mean the top has more height than the rest of the box? I'm not entirely sure what you are talking about. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:42, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Also, the Wiki's main config can be seen at [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] and [[MediaWiki:Common.js]], where all the css and js that you see the moment you load a page is at. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:34, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::So, let's compare these two versions:
:::https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=User:Bythmusters/templatetesting&oldid=35089
:::https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=User:Bythmusters/templatetesting&oldid=35091
:::There is an additional newline between the bottom of the template and the beginning of the article text. The only difference in the source text is:
:::<nowiki>"{\{Incomplete}}{\{ProductLineCargo"</nowiki>
:::vs:
:::<nowiki>"{\{Incomplete}}</nowiki>
:::{\{ProductLineCargo"
:::In the second one, there's a newline to separate the templates, as it's more natural to read in the source editor this way. Wikipedia articles do not render this newline, but CRW does. That is my issue, it takes up a lot of space on the screen.
:::Thanks for the links, I read through the Common.css and Common.js of this wiki and Wikipedia but I didn't see anything relevant. I think it's in the parser, where the mediawiki text gets converted into html but I don't know enough about this stuff to be sure. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 18:53, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Ah, okay. Reread your previous post and now feel like an idiot for not understanding. I don't know how to fix that if it's the parser. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:33, 28 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::Yeah idk it's probably not worth the trouble to fix. I like learning about mediawiki but not that much [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 15:55, 28 January 2026 (UTC)

==Feedback on changes to sidebar appearance and arrangement==

*I suggest renaming the "Tools" section for the web browser addon to something else to differentiate it from the wiki tools. I also recommend moving it to the way bottom, at least until it's ready for prime time, since it makes wiki editors have to scroll further to reach the wiki tools than previously.

*An option to hide the mini-list of recent changes and restore the single line "Recent Changes" for the original minimalist design.
**<strike>As an addendum: The font size of said mini-list is not consistent with the font size used both throughout the sidebar and the wiki itself, making it stand out like a sore thumb.</strike>

*An option to hide the community section for those of us that refuse to ever use [[Discord]]. I'd rather have a native choice available instead of resorting to a browser addon to remove it.

''(Note: Feedback is based on using Firefox v147.0.2 and the wiki skin "Vector legacy (2010)".)'' — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 21:32, 30 January 2026 (UTC)

:I’ve mentioned already that Vector legacy (2010) hasn’t been worked on yet, as most users are on Vector 2022 where these changes have been applied. The examples you listed aren’t present on the current default skin. I’d appreciate your patience while I get round to updating the legacy variant. In the meantime, I’ve resolved the issue where discussion tabs and similar tabs were hidden. [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 22:51, 30 January 2026 (UTC)

::Respectfully, I find your response confusing. What I bring up here is a separate matter from [[Consumer_Rights_Wiki_talk:Bugs#Page_tabs_hidden|my bug report]], and I posted ''only'' after first waiting a couple days and checked the default skin before-hand. I've struck out the one line since apparently it wasn't intentional like I had thought (and it had affected both legacy and default skins for the record), but otherwise my general feedback is unchanged.

::I appreciate the work you do on the wiki and thank you for fixing the bugged page tabs. — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 02:22, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I understand that the feedback here is separate from the bug report, though I’m also a little confused: the default skin does not show the duplicated Tools section that the legacy version does, so I’m not sure how it would be confused with the wiki tools. It’s also already at the very bottom on the default skin. As for the other suggestions about hiding certain areas, I can look into those, but it won’t be a short-term fix. I appreciate the feedback and the kind words! [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 19:14, 11 February 2026 (UTC)

==What should this image be licensed under?==

This [[:Category:Suspected copyright violations|image I archived]] for Age Verification, I selected as "without permission" since I didn't see they licensed it under CC BY 4.0 at the time - yet the site rejected both IA and archive.today, which felt like they held the copyright. How should the content be tagged? (I

On another note, if you go to the [https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0747563217303357 site of the reference] and click "View PDF", after solving a Cloudflare "are you human" it grants access to the full pdf which has "© 2017 The Authors. Published by Elsevier Ltd. This is an open access article under the CC BY license (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/)." as the footer of the first page. I wonder if that's the better way to go about archiving this reference.

Probably could have worded this better, thanks for your time. [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 02:59, 2 February 2026 (UTC)

:I've deleted it while we figure out copyright status of this. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:35, 3 February 2026 (UTC)
::It seems to exist on the IA [https://web.archive.org/web/20190203021620/https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0747563217303357 here]. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:37, 3 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately that snapshot only has the Abstract. I'm not the one that added the particular source, but it (may) be sufficient enough to add as an archive link for that particular source (talking about the [[Age Verification]] article in case anyone's confused), so I've gone and done so. Thanks for your input. [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 04:34, 4 February 2026 (UTC)
::This can be safely undeleted. The copyright symbol is sometimes used for partial copyright (which Creative Commons is). A more suitable symbol would have been the "(cc)" (creative commons) symbol, but it is not a dedicated unicode character like "©". The document itself says it is Creative Commons, not "all rights reserved", so I see no reason not to undelete it. [[User:JodyBruchonFan|JodyBruchonFan]] ([[User talk:JodyBruchonFan|talk]]) 22:51, 4 February 2026 (UTC)

==Appeal Request==

On the article regarding [[Restaurant Brands International caught training AI models using customer voices|Restaurant Brand International]], I think that the source credibility issue lacks merit and should be removed, as I don't see how it could be lacking in source credibility due to (in my opinion) additional evidence backup with images and detail breakthrough of the event that would classify it as being trustworthy? Would like some thoughts and comments around this, very confused. [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 23:45, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

:Mr Pollo often does tagging like that, pinging @[[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] for thoughts here. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:01, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::Also, incomplete is often simply used for a short article, although it doesnt specify it in the notice. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:02, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:Hello, I added the incomplete template to that article for two main reasons: aspects such as the Background section can be expanded into a paragraph and a "consumer response" section as seen [[Template:IncidentPreload|here]] would greatly benefit the article. So far it is a good article, but it can be better with my suggestions. [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 20:47, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
::Now i see. I think that's fair and i agree! Thank you for clearing some things up, will definitely work on it as soon as I get the chance! [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 20:56, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Of course, thank you as well for your contributions! [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 21:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
::::No problem! it should be good now when you have the time to check, please let me know of any addition problems~@[[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 23:49, 17 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::forgot to add that regarding your previous comment on if you rule and welcome really happened, yes and I can confirm with screenshots or whatever necessary for whatever link you couldn't access. [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 00:02, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::I've removed the notice! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:17, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::The article looks good, didn’t notice any new problems. Nice work! [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 14:20, 18 February 2026 (UTC)

==Archive.today weaponising PCs into causing DDoS attacks==

Hello, I just wanted to bring up the fact that Archive.today has recently decided to DDoS a random blog using people visiting their site (without them even realising) because they disliked a page on it. This doesn't exactly make me very happy with using the service for archiving links if they willingly do things like that. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:11, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

:That is concerning, afaik it's basically just run by one person so that's always a risk factor. Internet archive still has the issue of being pretty compliant when faced with DMCA takedowns, but at least it's a bit more of an institution...
:Do you think we should pull it as a recommended archive site over this? does result in a bit of a single-point-of-failure with IA. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:17, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
::Maybe wait it out for a little while, see what Wikipedia does, and then copy them? from the looks of it there's a lot of discussion going on about it over there. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:25, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
:::https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Archive.is_RFC_5 [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:26, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Seems like a good plan. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:36, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::It's been closed as deprecate archive.today. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 08:05, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::As the saying goes, "This is informative, and unfortunate".
::::::My main concern with IA is its aging maintainers (which I can no longer verify on the site), but this does seem to be a more pressing issue. Will look into re-archiving pages I've done in the past. [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 09:34, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::This seems extremely far fetched, but I'd like if the FULU Foundation themselves could make an archiving service. This sounds ridiculous but just putting it out there in case it is possible. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:24, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Pulled it from the recommended archiving lists, @[[User:Keith|Keith]] you can change it back if you disagree. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:28, 20 February 2026 (UTC) Edit: Was a bit hasty of me, I've reinstated it with a warning. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 12:53, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::we have considered self-hosting an archivebox instance or similar, with the ability to create archive pages locked behind a confirmed wiki account. Cost wise (including the time cost of setup and maintenance), it's feasible but not ideal, so i wouldn't count on it happening unless things really go to shit with the big archivers. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 01:35, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::OK, actually looking through and reading the reasons given for the consensus view, I'd be happy to adopt it, and will un-undo your edits and just take it off, leaving an explanation.
:::::::::the fact that the maintainer has been credibly alleged to have altered the content of sites hosted there is the biggest concern for me, as having a reliable record is kind of the whole point.
:::::::::going to @[[User:Banana|Banana]] here to see this discussion since he's been working on an archive bot for citations. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 01:41, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I've created [[Special:AbuseFilter/14]] for links. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:33, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I agree with this. but being a US org wouldn't they also be mandated to honor the DMCA? and hence have the same issues as IA? idk much abt the hosting aspect of it but many shadow sites exist that do not at all honor the DMCA. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:03, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::From what I've seen they've done malicious things like making seperate web crawlers that do the same thing to make it harder to block it and also not honoring the DMCA which from my understanding has gotten them into legal issues. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:20, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
:thanks for letting us know! will definetly be using alternative means of archiving for now on! [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 02:43, 21 February 2026 (UTC)
::Hello, is it possible to appeal deletion for this article <nowiki>https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Digital_Childhood_Alliance</nowiki> ? Article was updated with correct formatting and proper references [[Special:Contributions/88.118.107.138|88.118.107.138]] 20:36, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{Done}} [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 21:02, 7 March 2026 (UTC)

==banning Discord from citations==

[[OpenAI#cite_ref-5]] is a Discord link. As a non user of Discord I cannot see what has been cited. people should not be required to create an account to view the source of a claim. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:11, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

:Agreed. Ive removed it. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:26, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

==[[special:AbuseFilter/14]]==

Hi, can someone with good knowledge of the abuse filter code fix or tell me how to fix this? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 21:06, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

:I've fixed this and it's now working [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 03:08, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
::Thanks! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:13, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

==Is Bloatware still a stub?==

[[Bloatware|This article]] seems less of a stub compared to [[Ad block]] [[User:Rudxain|Rudxain]] ([[User talk:Rudxain|talk]]) 23:59, 23 February 2026 (UTC)

:Unsure on this one. I don't think any mods passed by it and tagged that one, so I've tagged Ad block now. I'm leaning to de-stub it but I'm still not entirely sure. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:11, 24 February 2026 (UTC)

==Potential website bug==

I made my new page (unlocking technology act of 2013) on mobile, where I could not use the shortcut to make proper references according to Rossmann's guide video, so I had just included links to the sources used instead. I got back here on a computer and attempted to fix them, but I ran into a problem. I had previously added a stub notice to my article. While I did not attempt to remove the stub notice in my edits while fixing the references, I still got the message that I could not remove the notice, and it would not accept my edit. I cannot fix the article as things are. [[User:Luigi2262|Luigi2262]] ([[User talk:Luigi2262|talk]]) 03:28, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

:The wiki has always had the irritating behavior of a notice tag (whether Incomplete, Stub, etc.) forbidding any in-line editing, even if it's only to place a page's cargo template on a new line separate from the tag.
:And I know you've already commented under the [[Consumer Rights Wiki talk:Moderators' noticeboard#stub notice bug|stub notice bug]] discussion, but I figure it'll be good to make note here as well. — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 06:18, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

==What should I do once my article is finished==

Should I leave it in that place <nowiki>https://consumerrights.wiki/w/User:%5E%26*/Digital_Ownership_Superact</nowiki>? [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 18:09, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

:Oh yes this link https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Digital_Ownership_Superact&redirect=no, this link is there to fix the broken redirect left (SixenTitan did that iirc) I have done the article what should I do? [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 19:27, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
::as [[Digital Ownership Superact]] already exists I could not move [[User:^&*/Digital Ownership Superact]] to it. idk how articles are merged or supplanted or if I have such perms. but what I can do is copy over the content which I did. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 23:06, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Thank you! [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 23:18, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

==May I ask are you going to transition from Discord to Matrix (Not the movie)?==

Just another genuine question. Sorry to bother you.

https://matrix.org/ [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 19:37, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

:[[User_talk:Keith#alternative_to_Discord]] this might intrigue you [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 22:59, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
::Thanks for that too [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 23:19, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
:We might be doing this. There is discussion on what’s going to happen if privacy stuff continues to occur with discord. Rest assured though that staff will keep everyone informed. Thanks for bringing this up and please let us know if you need anything else. - [[User:Atsumari|Atsumari]] ([[User talk:Atsumari|talk]]) 23:49, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

==Yum! relevance appeal==

the person that marked it irrelevant did it so w the justification of "because subject doesn't seem to be relevant to cases of "new" consumer exploitation". are incidents from 2014 really irrelevant? if so we got a lot of onions to chop [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 23:14, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

:{{done}} [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:09, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

==Discord tone appeal==

Hi, on 13 September 2025 [https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Discord&oldid=24510 Beanie Bo put a tone notice] on [[Discord]]. It's been some time since then, so does the ToS and Privacy Policy still need to be described instead of in bullet point? What other things could be improved in clearing the tone warning? (if any)? Thanks. [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 05:11, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

:I’ll get this flagged to Keith so we can review this internally - [[User:Atsumari|Atsumari]] ([[User talk:Atsumari|talk]]) 23:46, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
:I think as you say the main issues relate to the bullet pointed sections; mainly there are phrases like 'broad rights', which are both unhelpful and potentially misleading depending on how the reader interprets it. I'd say a shortening of the consumer impact summary, and the addition of a full section on its terms of service is probably sensible.
:I also removed the section on vague moderation as it really didn't have good enough citations to support its inclusion.
:I do think it's in a decent enough state to probably not need the tone warning however, and so I've taken it off.
:thanks @[[User:Atsumari|Atsumari]] for pinging me! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC)

==can I get mod?==

the title's a half joke. can sm1 revert [[Talk:Razer]] to [https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Razer&oldid=36825 this] version? a rando replaced the topic alongside the discussion with a summarized line cuz they thought it was the article itself. I wasn't able to revert cuz of this. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 06:11, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

{{Done}} [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:07, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

==May I ask where do I place it?==

I dont mind if need placing at a different website, but where should this article be placed at?
https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Digital_Ownership_Superact [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 23:51, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

:Not in a rude way ofc [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 23:53, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
::Since it not formal like rest of the wiki; where do I place it? (Look at the edit history) [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 23:54, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I've been following this discussion, I've just tried the move to your user now and it worked. No idea why it didn't work for Keith. It is now at [[User:^&*/Digital Ownership Superact]]. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:26, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 21:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC)

==Some Thoughts???==

I'm currently working on this [[Shell|article]], and i am having difficulty deciding on what to do with a 1990-1996 incident the company was involved in with the Nigerian Government. To keep it short, the company collaborated with the Nigerian Government after protest of the company environmental damage, creating the Internal Security Task Force (ISTF) with the sole purpose of serving Shell "community en-devours"that resulting in rape, killings, torture, and execution of protestors and Nigerian's. The company would frequently have meetings with the Nigerian government, encouraging the killings and rewarding the higher officials and police officers with meals, cash, and transportation. (sorry if i get some of this wrong)

I would like some thoughts around this incident to decide on what i should do? I was thinking creating an incident and putting an disclaimer similar to the article disclaimer shown [[Shell|here]], as this incident doesn't really delve into a product or service per-se, more of an incident about human rights abuses and market control. @[[User:Keith|Keith]]

Here is one big source of reference i plan on using: https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/AFR44/7393/2017/en/

[[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 06:52, 2 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not entirely sure if human rights issues are even allowed in the first place. Sure, it's absolutely horrible, but I'm not sure if it's in scope. We'll see what Keith says anyway. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:33, 2 March 2026 (UTC)
::torn on this one. it's done in service of market control etc., but it certainly seems like a issue more adjacent to worker abuses or environmental damage which are out-of-scope (and also it's being done in service of securing supply rather than securing demand). maybe could be mentioned off-hand as context for something else (e.g. demonstrating that they have capability/track record of working in that way), with a link to the relevant wikipedia page, but I don't think it makes sense to have a full page for it on the wiki. I assume Wikipedia has it pretty well documented? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 11:02, 2 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I looked on Wikipedia and I couldn't find any reference to the incident. I think mentioning it off-hand as additional context is a good idea, maybe with it being implemented with something like this [[Chevron|article]] (on chevron killing protestors part) and acting as a summary of the incident and not its whole article. [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 14:14, 2 March 2026 (UTC)
::::never-mind, found it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_for_the_Survival_of_the_Ogoni_People#Saro-Wiwa_v [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 20:38, 2 March 2026 (UTC)

==[[Special:SearchDigest]]==

I've been creating a few articles on here, but everyone else PLEASE DO THE SAME! It tells us what articles readers want! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:17, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

==Idea - Question place==

A place for new editors to get help from more experienced editors (doesn't even have to be mods) to help them with editing the CRW. I think this'd help as currently there's only this and the Bugs noticeboard. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:18, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

:I would appreciate this very much as a new editor [[User:Andrew V|Andrew V]] ([[User talk:Andrew V|talk]]) 02:51, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
:I don't know if this is new but there is a FAQ page. [[User:Andrew V|Andrew V]] ([[User talk:Andrew V|talk]]) 02:55, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
::That isn't new and that was one of my first contributions helping out there when I was a new editor, but it isn't ideal in its current state for issues not listed there. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:03, 7 March 2026 (UTC)

==Downloadable zim file==

Can the wiki be downloaded offline through a zim file similar to wikipedia? [[User:Dosjdhdjdjdhdjdjdj|Dosjdhdjdjdhdjdjdj]] ([[User talk:Dosjdhdjdjdhdjdjdj|talk]]) 01:18, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

:Not similar to Wikipedia I don't think, but we have a github repo that is open source (https://github.com/FULU-Foundation/crw). @[[User:JakeL|JakeL]] can probably provide better info than me [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:14, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
::I think it could be convenient to some people who have zim file libraries I’ve seen a lot of other wikis on the kiwix library page [[User:Dosjdhdjdjdhdjdjdj|Dosjdhdjdjdhdjdjdj]] ([[User talk:Dosjdhdjdjdhdjdjdj|talk]]) 07:53, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The backend team (JakeL and Unto) can do that. I've already pinged JakeL here so they will see this. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:58, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
:We don't currently offer anything officially, although you could look into using <nowiki>https://github.com/openzim/mwoffliner</nowiki> to generate your own, in combination with Kiwix. [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 23:11, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
::That seems like an interesting tool, though I do think that an official file should be looked into as a future project [[User:Dosjdhdjdjdhdjdjdj|Dosjdhdjdjdhdjdjdj]] ([[User talk:Dosjdhdjdjdhdjdjdj|talk]]) 23:46, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

==Tagging as incomplete AND stubs==

Hello. I've noticed a lot of incomplete and stub both being used at the same time, which takes up lots of space. I haven't removed this, but I think it's quite excessive. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:04, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

==Duplicate page for "Autodesk Fusion EOL"==

It looks like the page [[Autodesk Fusion360 EOL on Intel based macOS systems running open core legacy]] has been replaced by [[Autodesk Fusion EOL on Intel based MacOS systems running OpenCore legacy]]. The former is incomplete, while the latter has more content and is complete. Search and [[Projects:Archive everything#The list]] bring up both. Should the former be deleted or changed to a redirect (and removed from The List)? I'm not sure which and don't have the privileges to do either. (I put a Discussion note but dunno if that pings anyone.) ... Posting here since I don't know where to ask, and so I'll know in the future. Thanks! [[User:Marc84|Marc84]] ([[User talk:Marc84|talk]]) 01:21, 9 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hello, please use [[Template:MergeRequest]] in the future. I'll change this now. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:25, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::I've redirected it to [[Autodesk Fusion EOL on Intel based MacOS systems running OpenCore legacy]] and will remove it from the list now. Also, on the pinging, you can ping people by typing a link to their userpage. For example, typing [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] pings me, and [[User:Marc84]] pings you. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:29, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::Thanks for the info and merging the pages. [[User:Marc84|Marc84]] ([[User talk:Marc84|talk]]) 19:38, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

==Remove deletion notice apple macos==

I have added a lot of info and references to [[Apple macOS]] so I think it could be marked as a stub or incomplete rather than deletion [[User:Dosjdhdjdjdhdjdjdj|Dosjdhdjdjdhdjdjdj]] ([[User talk:Dosjdhdjdjdhdjdjdj|talk]]) 01:21, 10 March 2026 (UTC)

:{{Done}} [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:24, 10 March 2026 (UTC)

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==Open tasks==

*[[:Category:Articles with deletion requests]]
*[[:Category:Articles with merge requests]]
*[[:Category:Articles marked as irrelevant]]
*[[Special:NewPages]]

==stub notice bug==

I tried submitting my deletion req for [[FakePortal]] but get hit with "Stub notices can NOT be removed by users with normal privileges". Tried removing the unused infoboxes in [[WhatsApp]], [[GoGuardian]], [[Asus]] and [[Roblox]], and the same dice. w h y? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:31, 12 January 2026 (UTC)

:I'll check this out now [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:19, 13 January 2026 (UTC)
::This seems to be a regular issue with the abuse filter [[Consumer_Rights_Wiki_talk:Bugs#How_do_you_edit_beginning_of_an_article_with_StubNotice?|which absolutely has been talked about before]]. It's very annoying and in my opinion we need some sort of edit request system or a new group given to users to bypass the filter, but for now I'll just check the abuse log and apply the edit manually myself. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:28, 13 January 2026 (UTC)
:The issue is when edits are made in-line with a stub notice, as (iirc) the filter checks for edits to the same line as the change [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:50, 20 January 2026 (UTC)
::the notice* [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:50, 20 January 2026 (UTC)
:::hey can this please be fixed? it's really damn annoying. removal of redundant infoboxes on [[Deep Cycle Systems]] and [[Allstate]] are triggering it [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 14:39, 25 January 2026 (UTC)
::::I can remove these now. It would be cool if a usergroup would dodge the filter. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:01, 25 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::yeah, I wonder if we should create a 'superconfirmed' group or something, which doesn't have the banning powers of a mod but can edit article notices. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:19, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::I had the same issue. Just noticed this section. [[User:Luigi2262|Luigi2262]] ([[User talk:Luigi2262|talk]]) 19:45, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Luigi2262|Luigi2262]] {{Done}} your edit! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:38, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Thank you. [[User:Luigi2262|Luigi2262]] ([[User talk:Luigi2262|talk]]) 20:45, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

==Idea for a new section==

An "Important" / "Must-Reads" / "Starter Pack" / "Essential Reading" section showing the most important articles to view for someone new to the Consumer Rights scene, or just someone unknowing.

Furthermore, the ability to rate an article. Perhaps as a way to show which matters are trending, because of many people having said problem with said device/service. Could be a "Saved me!", "Worked", "Didn't work", where "Saved me!" can only be used maybe once a day, to show which issues a not just trending, but very crucial. These ratings could help place relevant articles at the top of a second section within "Important"/Whatever.

These two sections would give users a place to scroll and skim through, to see if there are any matters relevant for them, like a random product they own, that they didn't know had a Consumer Rights issue.

Additionally; the ability to give pledges to article writers/editors. I'm not fully sure how it would work at the moment, but it would give people a way to support editors that produce important relevant articles. Perhaps the site could take a small cut, which both contributes to funding the server costs or the "legal fund" that Rossman mentioned, but also gives people a bigger incentive to pledge to editors, knowing that some of it goes to supporting the website and its users. [[User:Sebandar|Sebandar]] ([[User talk:Sebandar|talk]]) 19:57, 23 January 2026 (UTC)

:I would appreciate a pane with "must-reads" on the main page that highlights the articles with the widest spread effects and only includes well-written articles. Putting some articles in the same industry, like articles on Apple and Google's app store restrictions, would be especially effective, because it's nearly guaranteed that one of these applies to the reader. If you want to make a draft of this somewhere I would be down to help work on it.
:I like the article rating idea. I don't know how difficult it would be to add interactive content like this to the wiki, but it sounds like a good way to receive feedback. The only official way to receive feedback currently is on the talk pages but those are all pretty dead. Some prioritization on pageviews or feedback would be nice.
:On pledges, Wikipedia actually has something like this, it has a [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Reward_board|reward board]] where users are offered barnstars or real money to improve articles, but it's not used very much. Most users seem to be offering up prizes only for the fun of doing so, not because it's particularly effective. If the content is relevant and/or interesting, someone probably is already working on it. I don't personally think this site needs an economy but if it were to be implemented, I think we should plug donations to FULU or other affiliated foundations on the main page and then have those foundations offer microgrants for editors. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 16:02, 25 January 2026 (UTC)
::I'd probably agree with you that this isn't needed - creating an economy/bounty system is probably overkill, and unnecessarily complex at this stage. I think article ratings etc. are probably something best handled through the [[Projects:Hub|projects]] system, similar to how Wikipedia uses it for things like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Molecular_Biology/Molecular_and_Cell_Biology . creating a project like that for each article type could be a pretty decent way of going about it? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 12:57, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

==Form pages==

I made a change to [[Form:Company]] following Discord suggestion #181. I was going to add this to [[Form:Product]] and [[Form:ProductLine]] but these pages are protected.

So, I am requesting an edit to those two pages to replace "(supported file types = PNG|JPG)" with "(supported file types = JPG, PNG, SVG)" to represent the fact that SVGs are allowed, and also to admin-protect [[Form:Company]] since that's an important page. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 13:13, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

==“Summaries” of articles==

I'd like to propose an idea that I think would help people read articles in a rush. Add a box at the top of all long pages (e.g. [[YouTube]], or all that aren't stubs or marked as incomplete) that summarises the article (the incidents the company has been involved in, what it does, etc) in a couple of sentences. Let me know what you think. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:17, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

:What makes this different from a lead paragraph? Would you replace the lead paragraph entirely with this template or would it be a complementary resource with links to related company/product/theme articles? You could link to categories/other articles there. I think categories on wikis in general are overlooked by most readers and putting them at the top sounds interesting. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 16:07, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

==InfoboxCompany to CargoCompany cleanup part 2==

The companies have all been moved over now, the only [https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Special:WhatLinksHere?target=Template%3AInfoboxCompany&namespace=&limit=50 places that InfoboxCompany exist in] are in some documentation out of main namespace and on these pages where they were placed on the same line as a notice:
[[AirAsia]], [[Deep Cycle Systems]], [[Allstate]], [[Happiest Baby]], [[Verisk Analytics, Inc.]], [[DAZN]], [[Federal Communications Commission]], [[Anova Culinary]], [[Sig Sauer]], [[RepairShopr]]

Converting InfoboxProductLine and finding more pages without infoboxes or cargo... sometime. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 15:44, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

:Still need these removed if anyone has 5 minutes:
:[[AirAsia]], [[Allstate]], [[Happiest Baby]], [[Verisk Analytics, Inc.]], [[DAZN]], [[Federal Communications Commission]] [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 19:51, 29 January 2026 (UTC)
::{{Done}}. Sorry for taking so long. It'd be nice if there was a usergroup that could dodge all the edit filters. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:07, 7 February 2026 (UTC)

==Color scheme==

The main Sitenotice text is nearly the same color as the link inside of it, making it hard to distinguish where the link is if you haven't clicked the link yet. A larger contrast would be nice, since the notice is going to be up for another 25 days or so. https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sitenotice&action=edit

This also applies to most of the main page, blue/muddy purple on blue doesn't look the best, but that's a larger undertaking. If the main page is up for redesign it would be nice to take the color contrast into consideration. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 16:15, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

:I've simply made it black and white, although I don't think it is entirely fixed it. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:39, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::Please can nobody amend the theme or any elements currently, I am restyling the website. [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 17:41, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Oh, sorry. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:57, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Looks great, and has nice contrast! [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 18:56, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Thank you! Still somewhat of a work in progress, but definitely a significant improvement over the previous version. [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 18:59, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, I like it too! As an idea, make the borders rounded like the original one. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:52, 27 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::No worries, all done! [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 19:09, 27 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Wow, this looks amazing now. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:30, 28 January 2026 (UTC)

==Template troubles==

So, a lot of the articles with [[Template:Incomplete]] and cargo templates that display a box (any but IncidentCargo) have big foreheads right now (see a list of articles with Incomplete [https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Incomplete&limit=100 here]). I did some testing, the Incomplete template itself doesn't have a trailing newline, and none of the cargos have a preceding newline. A <nowiki> </nowiki><nowiki></nowiki> is being added by the parser when the two are put together, and only when they are not on the same line. I've also seen this in the wild with [[Template:SloppyAI]] and with [[Template:Welcome]] on new user talk pages. Welcome should be a simple edit fix since it's not combined with other templates, but it seems that anytime templates are combined, they must be put on the same line or they will introduce an unintended newline. You can see an instance of Incomplete and SloppyAI together causing problems on [[Samsung TVs]].

Many Wikipedia pages have several templates next to each other without this problem, for example see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2025%E2%80%932026_Iranian_protests&oldid=1334922628 2025-2026 Iranian protests]. So the problem is solvable in MediaWiki, but I don't know how much work is required to do so. According to [[:Category:Todo]], over 700 articles have these banners, which is the majority of the wiki.

If other people think it's important too, I can work on this, but I don't know how to compare this wiki's configuration against stuff in the MediaWiki documentation. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 13:35, 26 January 2026 (UTC)

:Oh yeah, some junk from my experimenting that we should delete once the problem is resolved: [[User:Bythmusters/templatetesting]], [[Qwerty]] [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 13:37, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::Do you mean the top has more height than the rest of the box? I'm not entirely sure what you are talking about. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:42, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Also, the Wiki's main config can be seen at [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] and [[MediaWiki:Common.js]], where all the css and js that you see the moment you load a page is at. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:34, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::So, let's compare these two versions:
:::https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=User:Bythmusters/templatetesting&oldid=35089
:::https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=User:Bythmusters/templatetesting&oldid=35091
:::There is an additional newline between the bottom of the template and the beginning of the article text. The only difference in the source text is:
:::<nowiki>"{\{Incomplete}}{\{ProductLineCargo"</nowiki>
:::vs:
:::<nowiki>"{\{Incomplete}}</nowiki>
:::{\{ProductLineCargo"
:::In the second one, there's a newline to separate the templates, as it's more natural to read in the source editor this way. Wikipedia articles do not render this newline, but CRW does. That is my issue, it takes up a lot of space on the screen.
:::Thanks for the links, I read through the Common.css and Common.js of this wiki and Wikipedia but I didn't see anything relevant. I think it's in the parser, where the mediawiki text gets converted into html but I don't know enough about this stuff to be sure. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 18:53, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Ah, okay. Reread your previous post and now feel like an idiot for not understanding. I don't know how to fix that if it's the parser. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:33, 28 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::Yeah idk it's probably not worth the trouble to fix. I like learning about mediawiki but not that much [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 15:55, 28 January 2026 (UTC)

==Feedback on changes to sidebar appearance and arrangement==

*I suggest renaming the "Tools" section for the web browser addon to something else to differentiate it from the wiki tools. I also recommend moving it to the way bottom, at least until it's ready for prime time, since it makes wiki editors have to scroll further to reach the wiki tools than previously.

*An option to hide the mini-list of recent changes and restore the single line "Recent Changes" for the original minimalist design.
**<strike>As an addendum: The font size of said mini-list is not consistent with the font size used both throughout the sidebar and the wiki itself, making it stand out like a sore thumb.</strike>

*An option to hide the community section for those of us that refuse to ever use [[Discord]]. I'd rather have a native choice available instead of resorting to a browser addon to remove it.

''(Note: Feedback is based on using Firefox v147.0.2 and the wiki skin "Vector legacy (2010)".)'' — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 21:32, 30 January 2026 (UTC)

:I’ve mentioned already that Vector legacy (2010) hasn’t been worked on yet, as most users are on Vector 2022 where these changes have been applied. The examples you listed aren’t present on the current default skin. I’d appreciate your patience while I get round to updating the legacy variant. In the meantime, I’ve resolved the issue where discussion tabs and similar tabs were hidden. [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 22:51, 30 January 2026 (UTC)

::Respectfully, I find your response confusing. What I bring up here is a separate matter from [[Consumer_Rights_Wiki_talk:Bugs#Page_tabs_hidden|my bug report]], and I posted ''only'' after first waiting a couple days and checked the default skin before-hand. I've struck out the one line since apparently it wasn't intentional like I had thought (and it had affected both legacy and default skins for the record), but otherwise my general feedback is unchanged.

::I appreciate the work you do on the wiki and thank you for fixing the bugged page tabs. — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 02:22, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I understand that the feedback here is separate from the bug report, though I’m also a little confused: the default skin does not show the duplicated Tools section that the legacy version does, so I’m not sure how it would be confused with the wiki tools. It’s also already at the very bottom on the default skin. As for the other suggestions about hiding certain areas, I can look into those, but it won’t be a short-term fix. I appreciate the feedback and the kind words! [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 19:14, 11 February 2026 (UTC)

==What should this image be licensed under?==

This [[:Category:Suspected copyright violations|image I archived]] for Age Verification, I selected as "without permission" since I didn't see they licensed it under CC BY 4.0 at the time - yet the site rejected both IA and archive.today, which felt like they held the copyright. How should the content be tagged? (I

On another note, if you go to the [https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0747563217303357 site of the reference] and click "View PDF", after solving a Cloudflare "are you human" it grants access to the full pdf which has "© 2017 The Authors. Published by Elsevier Ltd. This is an open access article under the CC BY license (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/)." as the footer of the first page. I wonder if that's the better way to go about archiving this reference.

Probably could have worded this better, thanks for your time. [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 02:59, 2 February 2026 (UTC)

:I've deleted it while we figure out copyright status of this. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:35, 3 February 2026 (UTC)
::It seems to exist on the IA [https://web.archive.org/web/20190203021620/https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0747563217303357 here]. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:37, 3 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately that snapshot only has the Abstract. I'm not the one that added the particular source, but it (may) be sufficient enough to add as an archive link for that particular source (talking about the [[Age Verification]] article in case anyone's confused), so I've gone and done so. Thanks for your input. [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 04:34, 4 February 2026 (UTC)
::This can be safely undeleted. The copyright symbol is sometimes used for partial copyright (which Creative Commons is). A more suitable symbol would have been the "(cc)" (creative commons) symbol, but it is not a dedicated unicode character like "©". The document itself says it is Creative Commons, not "all rights reserved", so I see no reason not to undelete it. [[User:JodyBruchonFan|JodyBruchonFan]] ([[User talk:JodyBruchonFan|talk]]) 22:51, 4 February 2026 (UTC)

==Appeal Request==

On the article regarding [[Restaurant Brands International caught training AI models using customer voices|Restaurant Brand International]], I think that the source credibility issue lacks merit and should be removed, as I don't see how it could be lacking in source credibility due to (in my opinion) additional evidence backup with images and detail breakthrough of the event that would classify it as being trustworthy? Would like some thoughts and comments around this, very confused. [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 23:45, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

:Mr Pollo often does tagging like that, pinging @[[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] for thoughts here. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:01, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::Also, incomplete is often simply used for a short article, although it doesnt specify it in the notice. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:02, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:Hello, I added the incomplete template to that article for two main reasons: aspects such as the Background section can be expanded into a paragraph and a "consumer response" section as seen [[Template:IncidentPreload|here]] would greatly benefit the article. So far it is a good article, but it can be better with my suggestions. [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 20:47, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
::Now i see. I think that's fair and i agree! Thank you for clearing some things up, will definitely work on it as soon as I get the chance! [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 20:56, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Of course, thank you as well for your contributions! [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 21:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
::::No problem! it should be good now when you have the time to check, please let me know of any addition problems~@[[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 23:49, 17 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::forgot to add that regarding your previous comment on if you rule and welcome really happened, yes and I can confirm with screenshots or whatever necessary for whatever link you couldn't access. [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 00:02, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::I've removed the notice! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:17, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::The article looks good, didn’t notice any new problems. Nice work! [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 14:20, 18 February 2026 (UTC)

==Archive.today weaponising PCs into causing DDoS attacks==

Hello, I just wanted to bring up the fact that Archive.today has recently decided to DDoS a random blog using people visiting their site (without them even realising) because they disliked a page on it. This doesn't exactly make me very happy with using the service for archiving links if they willingly do things like that. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:11, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

:That is concerning, afaik it's basically just run by one person so that's always a risk factor. Internet archive still has the issue of being pretty compliant when faced with DMCA takedowns, but at least it's a bit more of an institution...
:Do you think we should pull it as a recommended archive site over this? does result in a bit of a single-point-of-failure with IA. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:17, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
::Maybe wait it out for a little while, see what Wikipedia does, and then copy them? from the looks of it there's a lot of discussion going on about it over there. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:25, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
:::https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Archive.is_RFC_5 [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:26, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Seems like a good plan. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:36, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::It's been closed as deprecate archive.today. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 08:05, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::As the saying goes, "This is informative, and unfortunate".
::::::My main concern with IA is its aging maintainers (which I can no longer verify on the site), but this does seem to be a more pressing issue. Will look into re-archiving pages I've done in the past. [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 09:34, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::This seems extremely far fetched, but I'd like if the FULU Foundation themselves could make an archiving service. This sounds ridiculous but just putting it out there in case it is possible. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:24, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Pulled it from the recommended archiving lists, @[[User:Keith|Keith]] you can change it back if you disagree. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:28, 20 February 2026 (UTC) Edit: Was a bit hasty of me, I've reinstated it with a warning. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 12:53, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::we have considered self-hosting an archivebox instance or similar, with the ability to create archive pages locked behind a confirmed wiki account. Cost wise (including the time cost of setup and maintenance), it's feasible but not ideal, so i wouldn't count on it happening unless things really go to shit with the big archivers. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 01:35, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::OK, actually looking through and reading the reasons given for the consensus view, I'd be happy to adopt it, and will un-undo your edits and just take it off, leaving an explanation.
:::::::::the fact that the maintainer has been credibly alleged to have altered the content of sites hosted there is the biggest concern for me, as having a reliable record is kind of the whole point.
:::::::::going to @[[User:Banana|Banana]] here to see this discussion since he's been working on an archive bot for citations. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 01:41, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I've created [[Special:AbuseFilter/14]] for links. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:33, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I agree with this. but being a US org wouldn't they also be mandated to honor the DMCA? and hence have the same issues as IA? idk much abt the hosting aspect of it but many shadow sites exist that do not at all honor the DMCA. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:03, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::From what I've seen they've done malicious things like making seperate web crawlers that do the same thing to make it harder to block it and also not honoring the DMCA which from my understanding has gotten them into legal issues. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:20, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
:thanks for letting us know! will definetly be using alternative means of archiving for now on! [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 02:43, 21 February 2026 (UTC)
::Hello, is it possible to appeal deletion for this article <nowiki>https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Digital_Childhood_Alliance</nowiki> ? Article was updated with correct formatting and proper references [[Special:Contributions/88.118.107.138|88.118.107.138]] 20:36, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{Done}} [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 21:02, 7 March 2026 (UTC)

==banning Discord from citations==

[[OpenAI#cite_ref-5]] is a Discord link. As a non user of Discord I cannot see what has been cited. people should not be required to create an account to view the source of a claim. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:11, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

:Agreed. Ive removed it. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:26, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

==[[special:AbuseFilter/14]]==

Hi, can someone with good knowledge of the abuse filter code fix or tell me how to fix this? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 21:06, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

:I've fixed this and it's now working [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 03:08, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
::Thanks! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:13, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

==Is Bloatware still a stub?==

[[Bloatware|This article]] seems less of a stub compared to [[Ad block]] [[User:Rudxain|Rudxain]] ([[User talk:Rudxain|talk]]) 23:59, 23 February 2026 (UTC)

:Unsure on this one. I don't think any mods passed by it and tagged that one, so I've tagged Ad block now. I'm leaning to de-stub it but I'm still not entirely sure. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:11, 24 February 2026 (UTC)

==Potential website bug==

I made my new page (unlocking technology act of 2013) on mobile, where I could not use the shortcut to make proper references according to Rossmann's guide video, so I had just included links to the sources used instead. I got back here on a computer and attempted to fix them, but I ran into a problem. I had previously added a stub notice to my article. While I did not attempt to remove the stub notice in my edits while fixing the references, I still got the message that I could not remove the notice, and it would not accept my edit. I cannot fix the article as things are. [[User:Luigi2262|Luigi2262]] ([[User talk:Luigi2262|talk]]) 03:28, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

:The wiki has always had the irritating behavior of a notice tag (whether Incomplete, Stub, etc.) forbidding any in-line editing, even if it's only to place a page's cargo template on a new line separate from the tag.
:And I know you've already commented under the [[Consumer Rights Wiki talk:Moderators' noticeboard#stub notice bug|stub notice bug]] discussion, but I figure it'll be good to make note here as well. — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 06:18, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

==What should I do once my article is finished==

Should I leave it in that place <nowiki>https://consumerrights.wiki/w/User:%5E%26*/Digital_Ownership_Superact</nowiki>? [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 18:09, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

:Oh yes this link https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Digital_Ownership_Superact&redirect=no, this link is there to fix the broken redirect left (SixenTitan did that iirc) I have done the article what should I do? [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 19:27, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
::as [[Digital Ownership Superact]] already exists I could not move [[User:^&*/Digital Ownership Superact]] to it. idk how articles are merged or supplanted or if I have such perms. but what I can do is copy over the content which I did. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 23:06, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Thank you! [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 23:18, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

==May I ask are you going to transition from Discord to Matrix (Not the movie)?==

Just another genuine question. Sorry to bother you.

https://matrix.org/ [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 19:37, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

:[[User_talk:Keith#alternative_to_Discord]] this might intrigue you [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 22:59, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
::Thanks for that too [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 23:19, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
:We might be doing this. There is discussion on what’s going to happen if privacy stuff continues to occur with discord. Rest assured though that staff will keep everyone informed. Thanks for bringing this up and please let us know if you need anything else. - [[User:Atsumari|Atsumari]] ([[User talk:Atsumari|talk]]) 23:49, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

==Yum! relevance appeal==

the person that marked it irrelevant did it so w the justification of "because subject doesn't seem to be relevant to cases of "new" consumer exploitation". are incidents from 2014 really irrelevant? if so we got a lot of onions to chop [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 23:14, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

:{{done}} [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:09, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

==Discord tone appeal==

Hi, on 13 September 2025 [https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Discord&oldid=24510 Beanie Bo put a tone notice] on [[Discord]]. It's been some time since then, so does the ToS and Privacy Policy still need to be described instead of in bullet point? What other things could be improved in clearing the tone warning? (if any)? Thanks. [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 05:11, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

:I’ll get this flagged to Keith so we can review this internally - [[User:Atsumari|Atsumari]] ([[User talk:Atsumari|talk]]) 23:46, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
:I think as you say the main issues relate to the bullet pointed sections; mainly there are phrases like 'broad rights', which are both unhelpful and potentially misleading depending on how the reader interprets it. I'd say a shortening of the consumer impact summary, and the addition of a full section on its terms of service is probably sensible.
:I also removed the section on vague moderation as it really didn't have good enough citations to support its inclusion.
:I do think it's in a decent enough state to probably not need the tone warning however, and so I've taken it off.
:thanks @[[User:Atsumari|Atsumari]] for pinging me! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC)

==can I get mod?==

the title's a half joke. can sm1 revert [[Talk:Razer]] to [https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Razer&oldid=36825 this] version? a rando replaced the topic alongside the discussion with a summarized line cuz they thought it was the article itself. I wasn't able to revert cuz of this. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 06:11, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

{{Done}} [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:07, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

==May I ask where do I place it?==

I dont mind if need placing at a different website, but where should this article be placed at?
https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Digital_Ownership_Superact [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 23:51, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

:Not in a rude way ofc [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 23:53, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
::Since it not formal like rest of the wiki; where do I place it? (Look at the edit history) [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 23:54, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I've been following this discussion, I've just tried the move to your user now and it worked. No idea why it didn't work for Keith. It is now at [[User:^&*/Digital Ownership Superact]]. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:26, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 21:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC)

==Some Thoughts???==

I'm currently working on this [[Shell|article]], and i am having difficulty deciding on what to do with a 1990-1996 incident the company was involved in with the Nigerian Government. To keep it short, the company collaborated with the Nigerian Government after protest of the company environmental damage, creating the Internal Security Task Force (ISTF) with the sole purpose of serving Shell "community en-devours"that resulting in rape, killings, torture, and execution of protestors and Nigerian's. The company would frequently have meetings with the Nigerian government, encouraging the killings and rewarding the higher officials and police officers with meals, cash, and transportation. (sorry if i get some of this wrong)

I would like some thoughts around this incident to decide on what i should do? I was thinking creating an incident and putting an disclaimer similar to the article disclaimer shown [[Shell|here]], as this incident doesn't really delve into a product or service per-se, more of an incident about human rights abuses and market control. @[[User:Keith|Keith]]

Here is one big source of reference i plan on using: https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/AFR44/7393/2017/en/

[[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 06:52, 2 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not entirely sure if human rights issues are even allowed in the first place. Sure, it's absolutely horrible, but I'm not sure if it's in scope. We'll see what Keith says anyway. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:33, 2 March 2026 (UTC)
::torn on this one. it's done in service of market control etc., but it certainly seems like a issue more adjacent to worker abuses or environmental damage which are out-of-scope (and also it's being done in service of securing supply rather than securing demand). maybe could be mentioned off-hand as context for something else (e.g. demonstrating that they have capability/track record of working in that way), with a link to the relevant wikipedia page, but I don't think it makes sense to have a full page for it on the wiki. I assume Wikipedia has it pretty well documented? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 11:02, 2 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I looked on Wikipedia and I couldn't find any reference to the incident. I think mentioning it off-hand as additional context is a good idea, maybe with it being implemented with something like this [[Chevron|article]] (on chevron killing protestors part) and acting as a summary of the incident and not its whole article. [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 14:14, 2 March 2026 (UTC)
::::never-mind, found it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_for_the_Survival_of_the_Ogoni_People#Saro-Wiwa_v [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 20:38, 2 March 2026 (UTC)

==How will the CRW approach April Fool's day?==

Hi, April Fool's day is next month and I don't want to initiate a discussion too late, so how would we approach it? My idea is 1) no jokes in articles, no exceptions and 2) clearly mark all jokes when they occur (I've made [[Template:April fools]] for this purpose). [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 19:57, 2 March 2026 (UTC)

:If my science textbook in school gave me a QR code that ends up rickrolling me I think I'll spend longer than 1 day being distracted about it... lol
:In my opinion they should be contained within user pages and other types of pages the common person never visits, like having it as an extra link under Wiki policy or something. It would be really bad if someone in power happens to see it the one day they get told to visit a page on the wiki. Just my two cents... but then again I'm pretty biased against the day anyway [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 06:56, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't even think we should have it under a link on Wiki policy, just silently add it with thr correct template the correct people internally will see it via recent changes. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:08, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
:Honestly, I don't think we will be doing one this year. [[User:JamesTDG|JamesTDG]] ([[User talk:JamesTDG|talk]]) 07:29, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
::Was there one last year? I don't think there was. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:36, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
:::There definitely wasn't. [[User:JamesTDG|JamesTDG]] ([[User talk:JamesTDG|talk]]) 08:29, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I've deleted the template. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:10, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Might be worth undeleting it... Louis came up with an idea for an April Fools, based on that Norwegian enshittification video from the other day. Basic concept is to enshittify the wiki (maybe just the main page, and with an off button, of course) for a day. I fully agree with no jokes in articles - that's just a pain to keep track of and undo, and could damage credibility if done without good taste. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 10:33, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I have had my ideas, but I'll keep them secret for now. I'll undelete it. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:54, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::we could prob use the trollface as the wiki logo at least [[User:JamesTDG|JamesTDG]] ([[User talk:JamesTDG|talk]]) 04:21, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

==[[Special:SearchDigest]]==

I've been creating a few articles on here, but everyone else PLEASE DO THE SAME! It tells us what articles readers want! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:17, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

==Idea - Question place==

A place for new editors to get help from more experienced editors (doesn't even have to be mods) to help them with editing the CRW. I think this'd help as currently there's only this and the Bugs noticeboard. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:18, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

:I would appreciate this very much as a new editor [[User:Andrew V|Andrew V]] ([[User talk:Andrew V|talk]]) 02:51, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
:I don't know if this is new but there is a FAQ page. [[User:Andrew V|Andrew V]] ([[User talk:Andrew V|talk]]) 02:55, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
::That isn't new and that was one of my first contributions helping out there when I was a new editor, but it isn't ideal in its current state for issues not listed there. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:03, 7 March 2026 (UTC)

==Downloadable zim file==

Can the wiki be downloaded offline through a zim file similar to wikipedia? [[User:Dosjdhdjdjdhdjdjdj|Dosjdhdjdjdhdjdjdj]] ([[User talk:Dosjdhdjdjdhdjdjdj|talk]]) 01:18, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

:Not similar to Wikipedia I don't think, but we have a github repo that is open source (https://github.com/FULU-Foundation/crw). @[[User:JakeL|JakeL]] can probably provide better info than me [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:14, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
::I think it could be convenient to some people who have zim file libraries I’ve seen a lot of other wikis on the kiwix library page [[User:Dosjdhdjdjdhdjdjdj|Dosjdhdjdjdhdjdjdj]] ([[User talk:Dosjdhdjdjdhdjdjdj|talk]]) 07:53, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The backend team (JakeL and Unto) can do that. I've already pinged JakeL here so they will see this. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:58, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
:We don't currently offer anything officially, although you could look into using <nowiki>https://github.com/openzim/mwoffliner</nowiki> to generate your own, in combination with Kiwix. [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 23:11, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
::That seems like an interesting tool, though I do think that an official file should be looked into as a future project [[User:Dosjdhdjdjdhdjdjdj|Dosjdhdjdjdhdjdjdj]] ([[User talk:Dosjdhdjdjdhdjdjdj|talk]]) 23:46, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

==Tagging as incomplete AND stubs==

Hello. I've noticed a lot of incomplete and stub both being used at the same time, which takes up lots of space. I haven't removed this, but I think it's quite excessive. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:04, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

==Duplicate page for "Autodesk Fusion EOL"==

It looks like the page [[Autodesk Fusion360 EOL on Intel based macOS systems running open core legacy]] has been replaced by [[Autodesk Fusion EOL on Intel based MacOS systems running OpenCore legacy]]. The former is incomplete, while the latter has more content and is complete. Search and [[Projects:Archive everything#The list]] bring up both. Should the former be deleted or changed to a redirect (and removed from The List)? I'm not sure which and don't have the privileges to do either. (I put a Discussion note but dunno if that pings anyone.) ... Posting here since I don't know where to ask, and so I'll know in the future. Thanks! [[User:Marc84|Marc84]] ([[User talk:Marc84|talk]]) 01:21, 9 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hello, please use [[Template:MergeRequest]] in the future. I'll change this now. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:25, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::I've redirected it to [[Autodesk Fusion EOL on Intel based MacOS systems running OpenCore legacy]] and will remove it from the list now. Also, on the pinging, you can ping people by typing a link to their userpage. For example, typing [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] pings me, and [[User:Marc84]] pings you. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:29, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::Thanks for the info and merging the pages. [[User:Marc84|Marc84]] ([[User talk:Marc84|talk]]) 19:38, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

==Remove deletion notice apple macos==

I have added a lot of info and references to [[Apple macOS]] so I think it could be marked as a stub or incomplete rather than deletion [[User:Dosjdhdjdjdhdjdjdj|Dosjdhdjdjdhdjdjdj]] ([[User talk:Dosjdhdjdjdhdjdjdj|talk]]) 01:21, 10 March 2026 (UTC)

:{{Done}} [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:24, 10 March 2026 (UTC)

==Appeal Request==

Hello! The article [[Advertising overload]] is marked as incomplete and as relying on AI/LLMs. I believe I've addressed the original intent of both of these, though the bottom section ([[Advertising overload#Notable Examples]]) is still a stub. I think the AI status notice should be removed, and the Incomplete notice should be replaced with a Stub notice.

Cheers! [[User:Scholar Silas|Scholar Silas]] ([[User talk:Scholar Silas|talk]]) 05:52, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

:{{Done}} including '''completely removing both notices''', not marking it as a stub. The article overall is very long, and if a section is all to complain about on a very long article, then it's definitely not a stub. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:02, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

==Who gets superconfirmed first?==

Hello, starting this discussion since the new superconfirmed usergroup has been added and we need to figure out who to give it to first. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 22:07, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

:Just tested it on [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsAlt]]; why can't it undelete pages? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 22:14, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

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==Open tasks==

*[[:Category:Articles with deletion requests]]
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*[[:Category:Articles marked as irrelevant]]
*[[Special:NewPages]]

==stub notice bug==

I tried submitting my deletion req for [[FakePortal]] but get hit with "Stub notices can NOT be removed by users with normal privileges". Tried removing the unused infoboxes in [[WhatsApp]], [[GoGuardian]], [[Asus]] and [[Roblox]], and the same dice. w h y? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:31, 12 January 2026 (UTC)

:I'll check this out now [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:19, 13 January 2026 (UTC)
::This seems to be a regular issue with the abuse filter [[Consumer_Rights_Wiki_talk:Bugs#How_do_you_edit_beginning_of_an_article_with_StubNotice?|which absolutely has been talked about before]]. It's very annoying and in my opinion we need some sort of edit request system or a new group given to users to bypass the filter, but for now I'll just check the abuse log and apply the edit manually myself. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:28, 13 January 2026 (UTC)
:The issue is when edits are made in-line with a stub notice, as (iirc) the filter checks for edits to the same line as the change [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:50, 20 January 2026 (UTC)
::the notice* [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:50, 20 January 2026 (UTC)
:::hey can this please be fixed? it's really damn annoying. removal of redundant infoboxes on [[Deep Cycle Systems]] and [[Allstate]] are triggering it [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 14:39, 25 January 2026 (UTC)
::::I can remove these now. It would be cool if a usergroup would dodge the filter. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:01, 25 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::yeah, I wonder if we should create a 'superconfirmed' group or something, which doesn't have the banning powers of a mod but can edit article notices. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:19, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::I had the same issue. Just noticed this section. [[User:Luigi2262|Luigi2262]] ([[User talk:Luigi2262|talk]]) 19:45, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Luigi2262|Luigi2262]] {{Done}} your edit! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:38, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Thank you. [[User:Luigi2262|Luigi2262]] ([[User talk:Luigi2262|talk]]) 20:45, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

==Idea for a new section==

An "Important" / "Must-Reads" / "Starter Pack" / "Essential Reading" section showing the most important articles to view for someone new to the Consumer Rights scene, or just someone unknowing.

Furthermore, the ability to rate an article. Perhaps as a way to show which matters are trending, because of many people having said problem with said device/service. Could be a "Saved me!", "Worked", "Didn't work", where "Saved me!" can only be used maybe once a day, to show which issues a not just trending, but very crucial. These ratings could help place relevant articles at the top of a second section within "Important"/Whatever.

These two sections would give users a place to scroll and skim through, to see if there are any matters relevant for them, like a random product they own, that they didn't know had a Consumer Rights issue.

Additionally; the ability to give pledges to article writers/editors. I'm not fully sure how it would work at the moment, but it would give people a way to support editors that produce important relevant articles. Perhaps the site could take a small cut, which both contributes to funding the server costs or the "legal fund" that Rossman mentioned, but also gives people a bigger incentive to pledge to editors, knowing that some of it goes to supporting the website and its users. [[User:Sebandar|Sebandar]] ([[User talk:Sebandar|talk]]) 19:57, 23 January 2026 (UTC)

:I would appreciate a pane with "must-reads" on the main page that highlights the articles with the widest spread effects and only includes well-written articles. Putting some articles in the same industry, like articles on Apple and Google's app store restrictions, would be especially effective, because it's nearly guaranteed that one of these applies to the reader. If you want to make a draft of this somewhere I would be down to help work on it.
:I like the article rating idea. I don't know how difficult it would be to add interactive content like this to the wiki, but it sounds like a good way to receive feedback. The only official way to receive feedback currently is on the talk pages but those are all pretty dead. Some prioritization on pageviews or feedback would be nice.
:On pledges, Wikipedia actually has something like this, it has a [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Reward_board|reward board]] where users are offered barnstars or real money to improve articles, but it's not used very much. Most users seem to be offering up prizes only for the fun of doing so, not because it's particularly effective. If the content is relevant and/or interesting, someone probably is already working on it. I don't personally think this site needs an economy but if it were to be implemented, I think we should plug donations to FULU or other affiliated foundations on the main page and then have those foundations offer microgrants for editors. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 16:02, 25 January 2026 (UTC)
::I'd probably agree with you that this isn't needed - creating an economy/bounty system is probably overkill, and unnecessarily complex at this stage. I think article ratings etc. are probably something best handled through the [[Projects:Hub|projects]] system, similar to how Wikipedia uses it for things like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Molecular_Biology/Molecular_and_Cell_Biology . creating a project like that for each article type could be a pretty decent way of going about it? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 12:57, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

==Form pages==

I made a change to [[Form:Company]] following Discord suggestion #181. I was going to add this to [[Form:Product]] and [[Form:ProductLine]] but these pages are protected.

So, I am requesting an edit to those two pages to replace "(supported file types = PNG|JPG)" with "(supported file types = JPG, PNG, SVG)" to represent the fact that SVGs are allowed, and also to admin-protect [[Form:Company]] since that's an important page. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 13:13, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

==“Summaries” of articles==

I'd like to propose an idea that I think would help people read articles in a rush. Add a box at the top of all long pages (e.g. [[YouTube]], or all that aren't stubs or marked as incomplete) that summarises the article (the incidents the company has been involved in, what it does, etc) in a couple of sentences. Let me know what you think. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:17, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

:What makes this different from a lead paragraph? Would you replace the lead paragraph entirely with this template or would it be a complementary resource with links to related company/product/theme articles? You could link to categories/other articles there. I think categories on wikis in general are overlooked by most readers and putting them at the top sounds interesting. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 16:07, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

==InfoboxCompany to CargoCompany cleanup part 2==

The companies have all been moved over now, the only [https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Special:WhatLinksHere?target=Template%3AInfoboxCompany&namespace=&limit=50 places that InfoboxCompany exist in] are in some documentation out of main namespace and on these pages where they were placed on the same line as a notice:
[[AirAsia]], [[Deep Cycle Systems]], [[Allstate]], [[Happiest Baby]], [[Verisk Analytics, Inc.]], [[DAZN]], [[Federal Communications Commission]], [[Anova Culinary]], [[Sig Sauer]], [[RepairShopr]]

Converting InfoboxProductLine and finding more pages without infoboxes or cargo... sometime. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 15:44, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

:Still need these removed if anyone has 5 minutes:
:[[AirAsia]], [[Allstate]], [[Happiest Baby]], [[Verisk Analytics, Inc.]], [[DAZN]], [[Federal Communications Commission]] [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 19:51, 29 January 2026 (UTC)
::{{Done}}. Sorry for taking so long. It'd be nice if there was a usergroup that could dodge all the edit filters. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:07, 7 February 2026 (UTC)

==Color scheme==

The main Sitenotice text is nearly the same color as the link inside of it, making it hard to distinguish where the link is if you haven't clicked the link yet. A larger contrast would be nice, since the notice is going to be up for another 25 days or so. https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sitenotice&action=edit

This also applies to most of the main page, blue/muddy purple on blue doesn't look the best, but that's a larger undertaking. If the main page is up for redesign it would be nice to take the color contrast into consideration. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 16:15, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

:I've simply made it black and white, although I don't think it is entirely fixed it. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:39, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::Please can nobody amend the theme or any elements currently, I am restyling the website. [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 17:41, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Oh, sorry. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:57, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Looks great, and has nice contrast! [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 18:56, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Thank you! Still somewhat of a work in progress, but definitely a significant improvement over the previous version. [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 18:59, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, I like it too! As an idea, make the borders rounded like the original one. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:52, 27 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::No worries, all done! [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 19:09, 27 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Wow, this looks amazing now. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:30, 28 January 2026 (UTC)

==Template troubles==

So, a lot of the articles with [[Template:Incomplete]] and cargo templates that display a box (any but IncidentCargo) have big foreheads right now (see a list of articles with Incomplete [https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Incomplete&limit=100 here]). I did some testing, the Incomplete template itself doesn't have a trailing newline, and none of the cargos have a preceding newline. A <nowiki> </nowiki><nowiki></nowiki> is being added by the parser when the two are put together, and only when they are not on the same line. I've also seen this in the wild with [[Template:SloppyAI]] and with [[Template:Welcome]] on new user talk pages. Welcome should be a simple edit fix since it's not combined with other templates, but it seems that anytime templates are combined, they must be put on the same line or they will introduce an unintended newline. You can see an instance of Incomplete and SloppyAI together causing problems on [[Samsung TVs]].

Many Wikipedia pages have several templates next to each other without this problem, for example see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2025%E2%80%932026_Iranian_protests&oldid=1334922628 2025-2026 Iranian protests]. So the problem is solvable in MediaWiki, but I don't know how much work is required to do so. According to [[:Category:Todo]], over 700 articles have these banners, which is the majority of the wiki.

If other people think it's important too, I can work on this, but I don't know how to compare this wiki's configuration against stuff in the MediaWiki documentation. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 13:35, 26 January 2026 (UTC)

:Oh yeah, some junk from my experimenting that we should delete once the problem is resolved: [[User:Bythmusters/templatetesting]], [[Qwerty]] [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 13:37, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::Do you mean the top has more height than the rest of the box? I'm not entirely sure what you are talking about. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:42, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Also, the Wiki's main config can be seen at [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] and [[MediaWiki:Common.js]], where all the css and js that you see the moment you load a page is at. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:34, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::So, let's compare these two versions:
:::https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=User:Bythmusters/templatetesting&oldid=35089
:::https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=User:Bythmusters/templatetesting&oldid=35091
:::There is an additional newline between the bottom of the template and the beginning of the article text. The only difference in the source text is:
:::<nowiki>"{\{Incomplete}}{\{ProductLineCargo"</nowiki>
:::vs:
:::<nowiki>"{\{Incomplete}}</nowiki>
:::{\{ProductLineCargo"
:::In the second one, there's a newline to separate the templates, as it's more natural to read in the source editor this way. Wikipedia articles do not render this newline, but CRW does. That is my issue, it takes up a lot of space on the screen.
:::Thanks for the links, I read through the Common.css and Common.js of this wiki and Wikipedia but I didn't see anything relevant. I think it's in the parser, where the mediawiki text gets converted into html but I don't know enough about this stuff to be sure. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 18:53, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Ah, okay. Reread your previous post and now feel like an idiot for not understanding. I don't know how to fix that if it's the parser. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:33, 28 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::Yeah idk it's probably not worth the trouble to fix. I like learning about mediawiki but not that much [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 15:55, 28 January 2026 (UTC)

==Feedback on changes to sidebar appearance and arrangement==

*I suggest renaming the "Tools" section for the web browser addon to something else to differentiate it from the wiki tools. I also recommend moving it to the way bottom, at least until it's ready for prime time, since it makes wiki editors have to scroll further to reach the wiki tools than previously.

*An option to hide the mini-list of recent changes and restore the single line "Recent Changes" for the original minimalist design.
**<strike>As an addendum: The font size of said mini-list is not consistent with the font size used both throughout the sidebar and the wiki itself, making it stand out like a sore thumb.</strike>

*An option to hide the community section for those of us that refuse to ever use [[Discord]]. I'd rather have a native choice available instead of resorting to a browser addon to remove it.

''(Note: Feedback is based on using Firefox v147.0.2 and the wiki skin "Vector legacy (2010)".)'' — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 21:32, 30 January 2026 (UTC)

:I’ve mentioned already that Vector legacy (2010) hasn’t been worked on yet, as most users are on Vector 2022 where these changes have been applied. The examples you listed aren’t present on the current default skin. I’d appreciate your patience while I get round to updating the legacy variant. In the meantime, I’ve resolved the issue where discussion tabs and similar tabs were hidden. [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 22:51, 30 January 2026 (UTC)

::Respectfully, I find your response confusing. What I bring up here is a separate matter from [[Consumer_Rights_Wiki_talk:Bugs#Page_tabs_hidden|my bug report]], and I posted ''only'' after first waiting a couple days and checked the default skin before-hand. I've struck out the one line since apparently it wasn't intentional like I had thought (and it had affected both legacy and default skins for the record), but otherwise my general feedback is unchanged.

::I appreciate the work you do on the wiki and thank you for fixing the bugged page tabs. — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 02:22, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I understand that the feedback here is separate from the bug report, though I’m also a little confused: the default skin does not show the duplicated Tools section that the legacy version does, so I’m not sure how it would be confused with the wiki tools. It’s also already at the very bottom on the default skin. As for the other suggestions about hiding certain areas, I can look into those, but it won’t be a short-term fix. I appreciate the feedback and the kind words! [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 19:14, 11 February 2026 (UTC)

==What should this image be licensed under?==

This [[:Category:Suspected copyright violations|image I archived]] for Age Verification, I selected as "without permission" since I didn't see they licensed it under CC BY 4.0 at the time - yet the site rejected both IA and archive.today, which felt like they held the copyright. How should the content be tagged? (I

On another note, if you go to the [https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0747563217303357 site of the reference] and click "View PDF", after solving a Cloudflare "are you human" it grants access to the full pdf which has "© 2017 The Authors. Published by Elsevier Ltd. This is an open access article under the CC BY license (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/)." as the footer of the first page. I wonder if that's the better way to go about archiving this reference.

Probably could have worded this better, thanks for your time. [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 02:59, 2 February 2026 (UTC)

:I've deleted it while we figure out copyright status of this. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:35, 3 February 2026 (UTC)
::It seems to exist on the IA [https://web.archive.org/web/20190203021620/https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0747563217303357 here]. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:37, 3 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately that snapshot only has the Abstract. I'm not the one that added the particular source, but it (may) be sufficient enough to add as an archive link for that particular source (talking about the [[Age Verification]] article in case anyone's confused), so I've gone and done so. Thanks for your input. [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 04:34, 4 February 2026 (UTC)
::This can be safely undeleted. The copyright symbol is sometimes used for partial copyright (which Creative Commons is). A more suitable symbol would have been the "(cc)" (creative commons) symbol, but it is not a dedicated unicode character like "©". The document itself says it is Creative Commons, not "all rights reserved", so I see no reason not to undelete it. [[User:JodyBruchonFan|JodyBruchonFan]] ([[User talk:JodyBruchonFan|talk]]) 22:51, 4 February 2026 (UTC)

==Appeal Request==

On the article regarding [[Restaurant Brands International caught training AI models using customer voices|Restaurant Brand International]], I think that the source credibility issue lacks merit and should be removed, as I don't see how it could be lacking in source credibility due to (in my opinion) additional evidence backup with images and detail breakthrough of the event that would classify it as being trustworthy? Would like some thoughts and comments around this, very confused. [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 23:45, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

:Mr Pollo often does tagging like that, pinging @[[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] for thoughts here. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:01, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::Also, incomplete is often simply used for a short article, although it doesnt specify it in the notice. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:02, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:Hello, I added the incomplete template to that article for two main reasons: aspects such as the Background section can be expanded into a paragraph and a "consumer response" section as seen [[Template:IncidentPreload|here]] would greatly benefit the article. So far it is a good article, but it can be better with my suggestions. [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 20:47, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
::Now i see. I think that's fair and i agree! Thank you for clearing some things up, will definitely work on it as soon as I get the chance! [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 20:56, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Of course, thank you as well for your contributions! [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 21:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
::::No problem! it should be good now when you have the time to check, please let me know of any addition problems~@[[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 23:49, 17 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::forgot to add that regarding your previous comment on if you rule and welcome really happened, yes and I can confirm with screenshots or whatever necessary for whatever link you couldn't access. [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 00:02, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::I've removed the notice! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:17, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::The article looks good, didn’t notice any new problems. Nice work! [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 14:20, 18 February 2026 (UTC)

==Archive.today weaponising PCs into causing DDoS attacks==

Hello, I just wanted to bring up the fact that Archive.today has recently decided to DDoS a random blog using people visiting their site (without them even realising) because they disliked a page on it. This doesn't exactly make me very happy with using the service for archiving links if they willingly do things like that. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:11, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

:That is concerning, afaik it's basically just run by one person so that's always a risk factor. Internet archive still has the issue of being pretty compliant when faced with DMCA takedowns, but at least it's a bit more of an institution...
:Do you think we should pull it as a recommended archive site over this? does result in a bit of a single-point-of-failure with IA. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:17, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
::Maybe wait it out for a little while, see what Wikipedia does, and then copy them? from the looks of it there's a lot of discussion going on about it over there. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:25, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
:::https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Archive.is_RFC_5 [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:26, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Seems like a good plan. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:36, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::It's been closed as deprecate archive.today. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 08:05, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::As the saying goes, "This is informative, and unfortunate".
::::::My main concern with IA is its aging maintainers (which I can no longer verify on the site), but this does seem to be a more pressing issue. Will look into re-archiving pages I've done in the past. [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 09:34, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::This seems extremely far fetched, but I'd like if the FULU Foundation themselves could make an archiving service. This sounds ridiculous but just putting it out there in case it is possible. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:24, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Pulled it from the recommended archiving lists, @[[User:Keith|Keith]] you can change it back if you disagree. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:28, 20 February 2026 (UTC) Edit: Was a bit hasty of me, I've reinstated it with a warning. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 12:53, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::we have considered self-hosting an archivebox instance or similar, with the ability to create archive pages locked behind a confirmed wiki account. Cost wise (including the time cost of setup and maintenance), it's feasible but not ideal, so i wouldn't count on it happening unless things really go to shit with the big archivers. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 01:35, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::OK, actually looking through and reading the reasons given for the consensus view, I'd be happy to adopt it, and will un-undo your edits and just take it off, leaving an explanation.
:::::::::the fact that the maintainer has been credibly alleged to have altered the content of sites hosted there is the biggest concern for me, as having a reliable record is kind of the whole point.
:::::::::going to @[[User:Banana|Banana]] here to see this discussion since he's been working on an archive bot for citations. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 01:41, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I've created [[Special:AbuseFilter/14]] for links. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:33, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I agree with this. but being a US org wouldn't they also be mandated to honor the DMCA? and hence have the same issues as IA? idk much abt the hosting aspect of it but many shadow sites exist that do not at all honor the DMCA. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:03, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::From what I've seen they've done malicious things like making seperate web crawlers that do the same thing to make it harder to block it and also not honoring the DMCA which from my understanding has gotten them into legal issues. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:20, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
:thanks for letting us know! will definetly be using alternative means of archiving for now on! [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 02:43, 21 February 2026 (UTC)
::Hello, is it possible to appeal deletion for this article <nowiki>https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Digital_Childhood_Alliance</nowiki> ? Article was updated with correct formatting and proper references [[Special:Contributions/88.118.107.138|88.118.107.138]] 20:36, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{Done}} [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 21:02, 7 March 2026 (UTC)

==banning Discord from citations==

[[OpenAI#cite_ref-5]] is a Discord link. As a non user of Discord I cannot see what has been cited. people should not be required to create an account to view the source of a claim. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:11, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

:Agreed. Ive removed it. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:26, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

==[[special:AbuseFilter/14]]==

Hi, can someone with good knowledge of the abuse filter code fix or tell me how to fix this? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 21:06, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

:I've fixed this and it's now working [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 03:08, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
::Thanks! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:13, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

==Is Bloatware still a stub?==

[[Bloatware|This article]] seems less of a stub compared to [[Ad block]] [[User:Rudxain|Rudxain]] ([[User talk:Rudxain|talk]]) 23:59, 23 February 2026 (UTC)

:Unsure on this one. I don't think any mods passed by it and tagged that one, so I've tagged Ad block now. I'm leaning to de-stub it but I'm still not entirely sure. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:11, 24 February 2026 (UTC)

==Potential website bug==

I made my new page (unlocking technology act of 2013) on mobile, where I could not use the shortcut to make proper references according to Rossmann's guide video, so I had just included links to the sources used instead. I got back here on a computer and attempted to fix them, but I ran into a problem. I had previously added a stub notice to my article. While I did not attempt to remove the stub notice in my edits while fixing the references, I still got the message that I could not remove the notice, and it would not accept my edit. I cannot fix the article as things are. [[User:Luigi2262|Luigi2262]] ([[User talk:Luigi2262|talk]]) 03:28, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

:The wiki has always had the irritating behavior of a notice tag (whether Incomplete, Stub, etc.) forbidding any in-line editing, even if it's only to place a page's cargo template on a new line separate from the tag.
:And I know you've already commented under the [[Consumer Rights Wiki talk:Moderators' noticeboard#stub notice bug|stub notice bug]] discussion, but I figure it'll be good to make note here as well. — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 06:18, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

==What should I do once my article is finished==

Should I leave it in that place <nowiki>https://consumerrights.wiki/w/User:%5E%26*/Digital_Ownership_Superact</nowiki>? [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 18:09, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

:Oh yes this link https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Digital_Ownership_Superact&redirect=no, this link is there to fix the broken redirect left (SixenTitan did that iirc) I have done the article what should I do? [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 19:27, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
::as [[Digital Ownership Superact]] already exists I could not move [[User:^&*/Digital Ownership Superact]] to it. idk how articles are merged or supplanted or if I have such perms. but what I can do is copy over the content which I did. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 23:06, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Thank you! [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 23:18, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

==May I ask are you going to transition from Discord to Matrix (Not the movie)?==

Just another genuine question. Sorry to bother you.

https://matrix.org/ [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 19:37, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

:[[User_talk:Keith#alternative_to_Discord]] this might intrigue you [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 22:59, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
::Thanks for that too [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 23:19, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
:We might be doing this. There is discussion on what’s going to happen if privacy stuff continues to occur with discord. Rest assured though that staff will keep everyone informed. Thanks for bringing this up and please let us know if you need anything else. - [[User:Atsumari|Atsumari]] ([[User talk:Atsumari|talk]]) 23:49, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

==Yum! relevance appeal==

the person that marked it irrelevant did it so w the justification of "because subject doesn't seem to be relevant to cases of "new" consumer exploitation". are incidents from 2014 really irrelevant? if so we got a lot of onions to chop [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 23:14, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

:{{done}} [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:09, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

==Discord tone appeal==

Hi, on 13 September 2025 [https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Discord&oldid=24510 Beanie Bo put a tone notice] on [[Discord]]. It's been some time since then, so does the ToS and Privacy Policy still need to be described instead of in bullet point? What other things could be improved in clearing the tone warning? (if any)? Thanks. [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 05:11, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

:I’ll get this flagged to Keith so we can review this internally - [[User:Atsumari|Atsumari]] ([[User talk:Atsumari|talk]]) 23:46, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
:I think as you say the main issues relate to the bullet pointed sections; mainly there are phrases like 'broad rights', which are both unhelpful and potentially misleading depending on how the reader interprets it. I'd say a shortening of the consumer impact summary, and the addition of a full section on its terms of service is probably sensible.
:I also removed the section on vague moderation as it really didn't have good enough citations to support its inclusion.
:I do think it's in a decent enough state to probably not need the tone warning however, and so I've taken it off.
:thanks @[[User:Atsumari|Atsumari]] for pinging me! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC)

==can I get mod?==

the title's a half joke. can sm1 revert [[Talk:Razer]] to [https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Razer&oldid=36825 this] version? a rando replaced the topic alongside the discussion with a summarized line cuz they thought it was the article itself. I wasn't able to revert cuz of this. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 06:11, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

{{Done}} [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:07, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

==May I ask where do I place it?==

I dont mind if need placing at a different website, but where should this article be placed at?
https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Digital_Ownership_Superact [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 23:51, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

:Not in a rude way ofc [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 23:53, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
::Since it not formal like rest of the wiki; where do I place it? (Look at the edit history) [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 23:54, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I've been following this discussion, I've just tried the move to your user now and it worked. No idea why it didn't work for Keith. It is now at [[User:^&*/Digital Ownership Superact]]. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:26, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 21:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC)

==Some Thoughts???==

I'm currently working on this [[Shell|article]], and i am having difficulty deciding on what to do with a 1990-1996 incident the company was involved in with the Nigerian Government. To keep it short, the company collaborated with the Nigerian Government after protest of the company environmental damage, creating the Internal Security Task Force (ISTF) with the sole purpose of serving Shell "community en-devours"that resulting in rape, killings, torture, and execution of protestors and Nigerian's. The company would frequently have meetings with the Nigerian government, encouraging the killings and rewarding the higher officials and police officers with meals, cash, and transportation. (sorry if i get some of this wrong)

I would like some thoughts around this incident to decide on what i should do? I was thinking creating an incident and putting an disclaimer similar to the article disclaimer shown [[Shell|here]], as this incident doesn't really delve into a product or service per-se, more of an incident about human rights abuses and market control. @[[User:Keith|Keith]]

Here is one big source of reference i plan on using: https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/AFR44/7393/2017/en/

[[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 06:52, 2 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not entirely sure if human rights issues are even allowed in the first place. Sure, it's absolutely horrible, but I'm not sure if it's in scope. We'll see what Keith says anyway. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:33, 2 March 2026 (UTC)
::torn on this one. it's done in service of market control etc., but it certainly seems like a issue more adjacent to worker abuses or environmental damage which are out-of-scope (and also it's being done in service of securing supply rather than securing demand). maybe could be mentioned off-hand as context for something else (e.g. demonstrating that they have capability/track record of working in that way), with a link to the relevant wikipedia page, but I don't think it makes sense to have a full page for it on the wiki. I assume Wikipedia has it pretty well documented? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 11:02, 2 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I looked on Wikipedia and I couldn't find any reference to the incident. I think mentioning it off-hand as additional context is a good idea, maybe with it being implemented with something like this [[Chevron|article]] (on chevron killing protestors part) and acting as a summary of the incident and not its whole article. [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 14:14, 2 March 2026 (UTC)
::::never-mind, found it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_for_the_Survival_of_the_Ogoni_People#Saro-Wiwa_v [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 20:38, 2 March 2026 (UTC)

==How will the CRW approach April Fool's day?==

Hi, April Fool's day is next month and I don't want to initiate a discussion too late, so how would we approach it? My idea is 1) no jokes in articles, no exceptions and 2) clearly mark all jokes when they occur (I've made [[Template:April fools]] for this purpose). [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 19:57, 2 March 2026 (UTC)

:If my science textbook in school gave me a QR code that ends up rickrolling me I think I'll spend longer than 1 day being distracted about it... lol
:In my opinion they should be contained within user pages and other types of pages the common person never visits, like having it as an extra link under Wiki policy or something. It would be really bad if someone in power happens to see it the one day they get told to visit a page on the wiki. Just my two cents... but then again I'm pretty biased against the day anyway [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 06:56, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't even think we should have it under a link on Wiki policy, just silently add it with thr correct template the correct people internally will see it via recent changes. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:08, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
:Honestly, I don't think we will be doing one this year. [[User:JamesTDG|JamesTDG]] ([[User talk:JamesTDG|talk]]) 07:29, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
::Was there one last year? I don't think there was. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:36, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
:::There definitely wasn't. [[User:JamesTDG|JamesTDG]] ([[User talk:JamesTDG|talk]]) 08:29, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I've deleted the template. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:10, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Might be worth undeleting it... Louis came up with an idea for an April Fools, based on that Norwegian enshittification video from the other day. Basic concept is to enshittify the wiki (maybe just the main page, and with an off button, of course) for a day. I fully agree with no jokes in articles - that's just a pain to keep track of and undo, and could damage credibility if done without good taste. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 10:33, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I have had my ideas, but I'll keep them secret for now. I'll undelete it. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:54, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::we could prob use the trollface as the wiki logo at least [[User:JamesTDG|JamesTDG]] ([[User talk:JamesTDG|talk]]) 04:21, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

==[[Special:SearchDigest]]==

I've been creating a few articles on here, but everyone else PLEASE DO THE SAME! It tells us what articles readers want! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:17, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

==Idea - Question place==

A place for new editors to get help from more experienced editors (doesn't even have to be mods) to help them with editing the CRW. I think this'd help as currently there's only this and the Bugs noticeboard. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:18, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

:I would appreciate this very much as a new editor [[User:Andrew V|Andrew V]] ([[User talk:Andrew V|talk]]) 02:51, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
:I don't know if this is new but there is a FAQ page. [[User:Andrew V|Andrew V]] ([[User talk:Andrew V|talk]]) 02:55, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
::That isn't new and that was one of my first contributions helping out there when I was a new editor, but it isn't ideal in its current state for issues not listed there. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:03, 7 March 2026 (UTC)

==Downloadable zim file==

Can the wiki be downloaded offline through a zim file similar to wikipedia? [[User:Dosjdhdjdjdhdjdjdj|Dosjdhdjdjdhdjdjdj]] ([[User talk:Dosjdhdjdjdhdjdjdj|talk]]) 01:18, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

:Not similar to Wikipedia I don't think, but we have a github repo that is open source (https://github.com/FULU-Foundation/crw). @[[User:JakeL|JakeL]] can probably provide better info than me [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:14, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
::I think it could be convenient to some people who have zim file libraries I’ve seen a lot of other wikis on the kiwix library page [[User:Dosjdhdjdjdhdjdjdj|Dosjdhdjdjdhdjdjdj]] ([[User talk:Dosjdhdjdjdhdjdjdj|talk]]) 07:53, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The backend team (JakeL and Unto) can do that. I've already pinged JakeL here so they will see this. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:58, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
:We don't currently offer anything officially, although you could look into using <nowiki>https://github.com/openzim/mwoffliner</nowiki> to generate your own, in combination with Kiwix. [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 23:11, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
::That seems like an interesting tool, though I do think that an official file should be looked into as a future project [[User:Dosjdhdjdjdhdjdjdj|Dosjdhdjdjdhdjdjdj]] ([[User talk:Dosjdhdjdjdhdjdjdj|talk]]) 23:46, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

==Tagging as incomplete AND stubs==

Hello. I've noticed a lot of incomplete and stub both being used at the same time, which takes up lots of space. I haven't removed this, but I think it's quite excessive. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:04, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

==Duplicate page for "Autodesk Fusion EOL"==

It looks like the page [[Autodesk Fusion360 EOL on Intel based macOS systems running open core legacy]] has been replaced by [[Autodesk Fusion EOL on Intel based MacOS systems running OpenCore legacy]]. The former is incomplete, while the latter has more content and is complete. Search and [[Projects:Archive everything#The list]] bring up both. Should the former be deleted or changed to a redirect (and removed from The List)? I'm not sure which and don't have the privileges to do either. (I put a Discussion note but dunno if that pings anyone.) ... Posting here since I don't know where to ask, and so I'll know in the future. Thanks! [[User:Marc84|Marc84]] ([[User talk:Marc84|talk]]) 01:21, 9 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hello, please use [[Template:MergeRequest]] in the future. I'll change this now. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:25, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::I've redirected it to [[Autodesk Fusion EOL on Intel based MacOS systems running OpenCore legacy]] and will remove it from the list now. Also, on the pinging, you can ping people by typing a link to their userpage. For example, typing [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] pings me, and [[User:Marc84]] pings you. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:29, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::Thanks for the info and merging the pages. [[User:Marc84|Marc84]] ([[User talk:Marc84|talk]]) 19:38, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

==Remove deletion notice apple macos==

I have added a lot of info and references to [[Apple macOS]] so I think it could be marked as a stub or incomplete rather than deletion [[User:Dosjdhdjdjdhdjdjdj|Dosjdhdjdjdhdjdjdj]] ([[User talk:Dosjdhdjdjdhdjdjdj|talk]]) 01:21, 10 March 2026 (UTC)

:{{Done}} [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:24, 10 March 2026 (UTC)

==Appeal Request==

Hello! The article [[Advertising overload]] is marked as incomplete and as relying on AI/LLMs. I believe I've addressed the original intent of both of these, though the bottom section ([[Advertising overload#Notable Examples]]) is still a stub. I think the AI status notice should be removed, and the Incomplete notice should be replaced with a Stub notice.

Cheers! [[User:Scholar Silas|Scholar Silas]] ([[User talk:Scholar Silas|talk]]) 05:52, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

:{{Done}} including '''completely removing both notices''', not marking it as a stub. The article overall is very long, and if a section is all to complain about on a very long article, then it's definitely not a stub. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:02, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

==Who gets superconfirmed first?==

Hello, starting this discussion since the new superconfirmed usergroup has been added and we need to figure out who to give it to first. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 22:07, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

:Just tested it; why can't it undelete pages? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 22:14, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

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{{Archives}} 
==Open tasks==

*[[:Category:Articles with deletion requests]]
*[[:Category:Articles with merge requests]]
*[[:Category:Articles marked as irrelevant]]
*[[Special:NewPages]]

==stub notice bug==

I tried submitting my deletion req for [[FakePortal]] but get hit with "Stub notices can NOT be removed by users with normal privileges". Tried removing the unused infoboxes in [[WhatsApp]], [[GoGuardian]], [[Asus]] and [[Roblox]], and the same dice. w h y? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:31, 12 January 2026 (UTC)

:I'll check this out now [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:19, 13 January 2026 (UTC)
::This seems to be a regular issue with the abuse filter [[Consumer_Rights_Wiki_talk:Bugs#How_do_you_edit_beginning_of_an_article_with_StubNotice?|which absolutely has been talked about before]]. It's very annoying and in my opinion we need some sort of edit request system or a new group given to users to bypass the filter, but for now I'll just check the abuse log and apply the edit manually myself. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:28, 13 January 2026 (UTC)
:The issue is when edits are made in-line with a stub notice, as (iirc) the filter checks for edits to the same line as the change [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:50, 20 January 2026 (UTC)
::the notice* [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:50, 20 January 2026 (UTC)
:::hey can this please be fixed? it's really damn annoying. removal of redundant infoboxes on [[Deep Cycle Systems]] and [[Allstate]] are triggering it [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 14:39, 25 January 2026 (UTC)
::::I can remove these now. It would be cool if a usergroup would dodge the filter. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:01, 25 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::yeah, I wonder if we should create a 'superconfirmed' group or something, which doesn't have the banning powers of a mod but can edit article notices. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:19, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::I had the same issue. Just noticed this section. [[User:Luigi2262|Luigi2262]] ([[User talk:Luigi2262|talk]]) 19:45, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Luigi2262|Luigi2262]] {{Done}} your edit! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:38, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Thank you. [[User:Luigi2262|Luigi2262]] ([[User talk:Luigi2262|talk]]) 20:45, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

==Idea for a new section==

An "Important" / "Must-Reads" / "Starter Pack" / "Essential Reading" section showing the most important articles to view for someone new to the Consumer Rights scene, or just someone unknowing.

Furthermore, the ability to rate an article. Perhaps as a way to show which matters are trending, because of many people having said problem with said device/service. Could be a "Saved me!", "Worked", "Didn't work", where "Saved me!" can only be used maybe once a day, to show which issues a not just trending, but very crucial. These ratings could help place relevant articles at the top of a second section within "Important"/Whatever.

These two sections would give users a place to scroll and skim through, to see if there are any matters relevant for them, like a random product they own, that they didn't know had a Consumer Rights issue.

Additionally; the ability to give pledges to article writers/editors. I'm not fully sure how it would work at the moment, but it would give people a way to support editors that produce important relevant articles. Perhaps the site could take a small cut, which both contributes to funding the server costs or the "legal fund" that Rossman mentioned, but also gives people a bigger incentive to pledge to editors, knowing that some of it goes to supporting the website and its users. [[User:Sebandar|Sebandar]] ([[User talk:Sebandar|talk]]) 19:57, 23 January 2026 (UTC)

:I would appreciate a pane with "must-reads" on the main page that highlights the articles with the widest spread effects and only includes well-written articles. Putting some articles in the same industry, like articles on Apple and Google's app store restrictions, would be especially effective, because it's nearly guaranteed that one of these applies to the reader. If you want to make a draft of this somewhere I would be down to help work on it.
:I like the article rating idea. I don't know how difficult it would be to add interactive content like this to the wiki, but it sounds like a good way to receive feedback. The only official way to receive feedback currently is on the talk pages but those are all pretty dead. Some prioritization on pageviews or feedback would be nice.
:On pledges, Wikipedia actually has something like this, it has a [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Reward_board|reward board]] where users are offered barnstars or real money to improve articles, but it's not used very much. Most users seem to be offering up prizes only for the fun of doing so, not because it's particularly effective. If the content is relevant and/or interesting, someone probably is already working on it. I don't personally think this site needs an economy but if it were to be implemented, I think we should plug donations to FULU or other affiliated foundations on the main page and then have those foundations offer microgrants for editors. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 16:02, 25 January 2026 (UTC)
::I'd probably agree with you that this isn't needed - creating an economy/bounty system is probably overkill, and unnecessarily complex at this stage. I think article ratings etc. are probably something best handled through the [[Projects:Hub|projects]] system, similar to how Wikipedia uses it for things like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Molecular_Biology/Molecular_and_Cell_Biology . creating a project like that for each article type could be a pretty decent way of going about it? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 12:57, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

==Form pages==

I made a change to [[Form:Company]] following Discord suggestion #181. I was going to add this to [[Form:Product]] and [[Form:ProductLine]] but these pages are protected.

So, I am requesting an edit to those two pages to replace "(supported file types = PNG|JPG)" with "(supported file types = JPG, PNG, SVG)" to represent the fact that SVGs are allowed, and also to admin-protect [[Form:Company]] since that's an important page. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 13:13, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

==“Summaries” of articles==

I'd like to propose an idea that I think would help people read articles in a rush. Add a box at the top of all long pages (e.g. [[YouTube]], or all that aren't stubs or marked as incomplete) that summarises the article (the incidents the company has been involved in, what it does, etc) in a couple of sentences. Let me know what you think. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:17, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

:What makes this different from a lead paragraph? Would you replace the lead paragraph entirely with this template or would it be a complementary resource with links to related company/product/theme articles? You could link to categories/other articles there. I think categories on wikis in general are overlooked by most readers and putting them at the top sounds interesting. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 16:07, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

==InfoboxCompany to CargoCompany cleanup part 2==

The companies have all been moved over now, the only [https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Special:WhatLinksHere?target=Template%3AInfoboxCompany&namespace=&limit=50 places that InfoboxCompany exist in] are in some documentation out of main namespace and on these pages where they were placed on the same line as a notice:
[[AirAsia]], [[Deep Cycle Systems]], [[Allstate]], [[Happiest Baby]], [[Verisk Analytics, Inc.]], [[DAZN]], [[Federal Communications Commission]], [[Anova Culinary]], [[Sig Sauer]], [[RepairShopr]]

Converting InfoboxProductLine and finding more pages without infoboxes or cargo... sometime. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 15:44, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

:Still need these removed if anyone has 5 minutes:
:[[AirAsia]], [[Allstate]], [[Happiest Baby]], [[Verisk Analytics, Inc.]], [[DAZN]], [[Federal Communications Commission]] [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 19:51, 29 January 2026 (UTC)
::{{Done}}. Sorry for taking so long. It'd be nice if there was a usergroup that could dodge all the edit filters. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:07, 7 February 2026 (UTC)

==Color scheme==

The main Sitenotice text is nearly the same color as the link inside of it, making it hard to distinguish where the link is if you haven't clicked the link yet. A larger contrast would be nice, since the notice is going to be up for another 25 days or so. https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sitenotice&action=edit

This also applies to most of the main page, blue/muddy purple on blue doesn't look the best, but that's a larger undertaking. If the main page is up for redesign it would be nice to take the color contrast into consideration. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 16:15, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

:I've simply made it black and white, although I don't think it is entirely fixed it. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:39, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::Please can nobody amend the theme or any elements currently, I am restyling the website. [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 17:41, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Oh, sorry. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:57, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Looks great, and has nice contrast! [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 18:56, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Thank you! Still somewhat of a work in progress, but definitely a significant improvement over the previous version. [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 18:59, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, I like it too! As an idea, make the borders rounded like the original one. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:52, 27 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::No worries, all done! [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 19:09, 27 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Wow, this looks amazing now. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:30, 28 January 2026 (UTC)

==Template troubles==

So, a lot of the articles with [[Template:Incomplete]] and cargo templates that display a box (any but IncidentCargo) have big foreheads right now (see a list of articles with Incomplete [https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Incomplete&limit=100 here]). I did some testing, the Incomplete template itself doesn't have a trailing newline, and none of the cargos have a preceding newline. A <nowiki> </nowiki><nowiki></nowiki> is being added by the parser when the two are put together, and only when they are not on the same line. I've also seen this in the wild with [[Template:SloppyAI]] and with [[Template:Welcome]] on new user talk pages. Welcome should be a simple edit fix since it's not combined with other templates, but it seems that anytime templates are combined, they must be put on the same line or they will introduce an unintended newline. You can see an instance of Incomplete and SloppyAI together causing problems on [[Samsung TVs]].

Many Wikipedia pages have several templates next to each other without this problem, for example see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2025%E2%80%932026_Iranian_protests&oldid=1334922628 2025-2026 Iranian protests]. So the problem is solvable in MediaWiki, but I don't know how much work is required to do so. According to [[:Category:Todo]], over 700 articles have these banners, which is the majority of the wiki.

If other people think it's important too, I can work on this, but I don't know how to compare this wiki's configuration against stuff in the MediaWiki documentation. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 13:35, 26 January 2026 (UTC)

:Oh yeah, some junk from my experimenting that we should delete once the problem is resolved: [[User:Bythmusters/templatetesting]], [[Qwerty]] [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 13:37, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::Do you mean the top has more height than the rest of the box? I'm not entirely sure what you are talking about. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:42, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Also, the Wiki's main config can be seen at [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] and [[MediaWiki:Common.js]], where all the css and js that you see the moment you load a page is at. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:34, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::So, let's compare these two versions:
:::https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=User:Bythmusters/templatetesting&oldid=35089
:::https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=User:Bythmusters/templatetesting&oldid=35091
:::There is an additional newline between the bottom of the template and the beginning of the article text. The only difference in the source text is:
:::<nowiki>"{\{Incomplete}}{\{ProductLineCargo"</nowiki>
:::vs:
:::<nowiki>"{\{Incomplete}}</nowiki>
:::{\{ProductLineCargo"
:::In the second one, there's a newline to separate the templates, as it's more natural to read in the source editor this way. Wikipedia articles do not render this newline, but CRW does. That is my issue, it takes up a lot of space on the screen.
:::Thanks for the links, I read through the Common.css and Common.js of this wiki and Wikipedia but I didn't see anything relevant. I think it's in the parser, where the mediawiki text gets converted into html but I don't know enough about this stuff to be sure. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 18:53, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Ah, okay. Reread your previous post and now feel like an idiot for not understanding. I don't know how to fix that if it's the parser. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:33, 28 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::Yeah idk it's probably not worth the trouble to fix. I like learning about mediawiki but not that much [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 15:55, 28 January 2026 (UTC)

==Feedback on changes to sidebar appearance and arrangement==

*I suggest renaming the "Tools" section for the web browser addon to something else to differentiate it from the wiki tools. I also recommend moving it to the way bottom, at least until it's ready for prime time, since it makes wiki editors have to scroll further to reach the wiki tools than previously.

*An option to hide the mini-list of recent changes and restore the single line "Recent Changes" for the original minimalist design.
**<strike>As an addendum: The font size of said mini-list is not consistent with the font size used both throughout the sidebar and the wiki itself, making it stand out like a sore thumb.</strike>

*An option to hide the community section for those of us that refuse to ever use [[Discord]]. I'd rather have a native choice available instead of resorting to a browser addon to remove it.

''(Note: Feedback is based on using Firefox v147.0.2 and the wiki skin "Vector legacy (2010)".)'' — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 21:32, 30 January 2026 (UTC)

:I’ve mentioned already that Vector legacy (2010) hasn’t been worked on yet, as most users are on Vector 2022 where these changes have been applied. The examples you listed aren’t present on the current default skin. I’d appreciate your patience while I get round to updating the legacy variant. In the meantime, I’ve resolved the issue where discussion tabs and similar tabs were hidden. [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 22:51, 30 January 2026 (UTC)

::Respectfully, I find your response confusing. What I bring up here is a separate matter from [[Consumer_Rights_Wiki_talk:Bugs#Page_tabs_hidden|my bug report]], and I posted ''only'' after first waiting a couple days and checked the default skin before-hand. I've struck out the one line since apparently it wasn't intentional like I had thought (and it had affected both legacy and default skins for the record), but otherwise my general feedback is unchanged.

::I appreciate the work you do on the wiki and thank you for fixing the bugged page tabs. — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 02:22, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I understand that the feedback here is separate from the bug report, though I’m also a little confused: the default skin does not show the duplicated Tools section that the legacy version does, so I’m not sure how it would be confused with the wiki tools. It’s also already at the very bottom on the default skin. As for the other suggestions about hiding certain areas, I can look into those, but it won’t be a short-term fix. I appreciate the feedback and the kind words! [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 19:14, 11 February 2026 (UTC)

==What should this image be licensed under?==

This [[:Category:Suspected copyright violations|image I archived]] for Age Verification, I selected as "without permission" since I didn't see they licensed it under CC BY 4.0 at the time - yet the site rejected both IA and archive.today, which felt like they held the copyright. How should the content be tagged? (I

On another note, if you go to the [https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0747563217303357 site of the reference] and click "View PDF", after solving a Cloudflare "are you human" it grants access to the full pdf which has "© 2017 The Authors. Published by Elsevier Ltd. This is an open access article under the CC BY license (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/)." as the footer of the first page. I wonder if that's the better way to go about archiving this reference.

Probably could have worded this better, thanks for your time. [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 02:59, 2 February 2026 (UTC)

:I've deleted it while we figure out copyright status of this. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:35, 3 February 2026 (UTC)
::It seems to exist on the IA [https://web.archive.org/web/20190203021620/https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0747563217303357 here]. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:37, 3 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately that snapshot only has the Abstract. I'm not the one that added the particular source, but it (may) be sufficient enough to add as an archive link for that particular source (talking about the [[Age Verification]] article in case anyone's confused), so I've gone and done so. Thanks for your input. [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 04:34, 4 February 2026 (UTC)
::This can be safely undeleted. The copyright symbol is sometimes used for partial copyright (which Creative Commons is). A more suitable symbol would have been the "(cc)" (creative commons) symbol, but it is not a dedicated unicode character like "©". The document itself says it is Creative Commons, not "all rights reserved", so I see no reason not to undelete it. [[User:JodyBruchonFan|JodyBruchonFan]] ([[User talk:JodyBruchonFan|talk]]) 22:51, 4 February 2026 (UTC)

==Appeal Request==

On the article regarding [[Restaurant Brands International caught training AI models using customer voices|Restaurant Brand International]], I think that the source credibility issue lacks merit and should be removed, as I don't see how it could be lacking in source credibility due to (in my opinion) additional evidence backup with images and detail breakthrough of the event that would classify it as being trustworthy? Would like some thoughts and comments around this, very confused. [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 23:45, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

:Mr Pollo often does tagging like that, pinging @[[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] for thoughts here. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:01, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::Also, incomplete is often simply used for a short article, although it doesnt specify it in the notice. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:02, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:Hello, I added the incomplete template to that article for two main reasons: aspects such as the Background section can be expanded into a paragraph and a "consumer response" section as seen [[Template:IncidentPreload|here]] would greatly benefit the article. So far it is a good article, but it can be better with my suggestions. [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 20:47, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
::Now i see. I think that's fair and i agree! Thank you for clearing some things up, will definitely work on it as soon as I get the chance! [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 20:56, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Of course, thank you as well for your contributions! [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 21:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
::::No problem! it should be good now when you have the time to check, please let me know of any addition problems~@[[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 23:49, 17 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::forgot to add that regarding your previous comment on if you rule and welcome really happened, yes and I can confirm with screenshots or whatever necessary for whatever link you couldn't access. [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 00:02, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::I've removed the notice! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:17, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::The article looks good, didn’t notice any new problems. Nice work! [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 14:20, 18 February 2026 (UTC)

==Archive.today weaponising PCs into causing DDoS attacks==

Hello, I just wanted to bring up the fact that Archive.today has recently decided to DDoS a random blog using people visiting their site (without them even realising) because they disliked a page on it. This doesn't exactly make me very happy with using the service for archiving links if they willingly do things like that. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:11, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

:That is concerning, afaik it's basically just run by one person so that's always a risk factor. Internet archive still has the issue of being pretty compliant when faced with DMCA takedowns, but at least it's a bit more of an institution...
:Do you think we should pull it as a recommended archive site over this? does result in a bit of a single-point-of-failure with IA. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:17, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
::Maybe wait it out for a little while, see what Wikipedia does, and then copy them? from the looks of it there's a lot of discussion going on about it over there. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:25, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
:::https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Archive.is_RFC_5 [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:26, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Seems like a good plan. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:36, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::It's been closed as deprecate archive.today. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 08:05, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::As the saying goes, "This is informative, and unfortunate".
::::::My main concern with IA is its aging maintainers (which I can no longer verify on the site), but this does seem to be a more pressing issue. Will look into re-archiving pages I've done in the past. [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 09:34, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::This seems extremely far fetched, but I'd like if the FULU Foundation themselves could make an archiving service. This sounds ridiculous but just putting it out there in case it is possible. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:24, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Pulled it from the recommended archiving lists, @[[User:Keith|Keith]] you can change it back if you disagree. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:28, 20 February 2026 (UTC) Edit: Was a bit hasty of me, I've reinstated it with a warning. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 12:53, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::we have considered self-hosting an archivebox instance or similar, with the ability to create archive pages locked behind a confirmed wiki account. Cost wise (including the time cost of setup and maintenance), it's feasible but not ideal, so i wouldn't count on it happening unless things really go to shit with the big archivers. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 01:35, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::OK, actually looking through and reading the reasons given for the consensus view, I'd be happy to adopt it, and will un-undo your edits and just take it off, leaving an explanation.
:::::::::the fact that the maintainer has been credibly alleged to have altered the content of sites hosted there is the biggest concern for me, as having a reliable record is kind of the whole point.
:::::::::going to @[[User:Banana|Banana]] here to see this discussion since he's been working on an archive bot for citations. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 01:41, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I've created [[Special:AbuseFilter/14]] for links. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:33, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I agree with this. but being a US org wouldn't they also be mandated to honor the DMCA? and hence have the same issues as IA? idk much abt the hosting aspect of it but many shadow sites exist that do not at all honor the DMCA. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:03, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::From what I've seen they've done malicious things like making seperate web crawlers that do the same thing to make it harder to block it and also not honoring the DMCA which from my understanding has gotten them into legal issues. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:20, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
:thanks for letting us know! will definetly be using alternative means of archiving for now on! [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 02:43, 21 February 2026 (UTC)
::Hello, is it possible to appeal deletion for this article <nowiki>https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Digital_Childhood_Alliance</nowiki> ? Article was updated with correct formatting and proper references [[Special:Contributions/88.118.107.138|88.118.107.138]] 20:36, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{Done}} [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 21:02, 7 March 2026 (UTC)

==banning Discord from citations==

[[OpenAI#cite_ref-5]] is a Discord link. As a non user of Discord I cannot see what has been cited. people should not be required to create an account to view the source of a claim. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:11, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

:Agreed. Ive removed it. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:26, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

==[[special:AbuseFilter/14]]==

Hi, can someone with good knowledge of the abuse filter code fix or tell me how to fix this? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 21:06, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

:I've fixed this and it's now working [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 03:08, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
::Thanks! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:13, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

==Is Bloatware still a stub?==

[[Bloatware|This article]] seems less of a stub compared to [[Ad block]] [[User:Rudxain|Rudxain]] ([[User talk:Rudxain|talk]]) 23:59, 23 February 2026 (UTC)

:Unsure on this one. I don't think any mods passed by it and tagged that one, so I've tagged Ad block now. I'm leaning to de-stub it but I'm still not entirely sure. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:11, 24 February 2026 (UTC)

==Potential website bug==

I made my new page (unlocking technology act of 2013) on mobile, where I could not use the shortcut to make proper references according to Rossmann's guide video, so I had just included links to the sources used instead. I got back here on a computer and attempted to fix them, but I ran into a problem. I had previously added a stub notice to my article. While I did not attempt to remove the stub notice in my edits while fixing the references, I still got the message that I could not remove the notice, and it would not accept my edit. I cannot fix the article as things are. [[User:Luigi2262|Luigi2262]] ([[User talk:Luigi2262|talk]]) 03:28, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

:The wiki has always had the irritating behavior of a notice tag (whether Incomplete, Stub, etc.) forbidding any in-line editing, even if it's only to place a page's cargo template on a new line separate from the tag.
:And I know you've already commented under the [[Consumer Rights Wiki talk:Moderators' noticeboard#stub notice bug|stub notice bug]] discussion, but I figure it'll be good to make note here as well. — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 06:18, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

==What should I do once my article is finished==

Should I leave it in that place <nowiki>https://consumerrights.wiki/w/User:%5E%26*/Digital_Ownership_Superact</nowiki>? [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 18:09, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

:Oh yes this link https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Digital_Ownership_Superact&redirect=no, this link is there to fix the broken redirect left (SixenTitan did that iirc) I have done the article what should I do? [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 19:27, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
::as [[Digital Ownership Superact]] already exists I could not move [[User:^&*/Digital Ownership Superact]] to it. idk how articles are merged or supplanted or if I have such perms. but what I can do is copy over the content which I did. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 23:06, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Thank you! [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 23:18, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

==May I ask are you going to transition from Discord to Matrix (Not the movie)?==

Just another genuine question. Sorry to bother you.

https://matrix.org/ [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 19:37, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

:[[User_talk:Keith#alternative_to_Discord]] this might intrigue you [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 22:59, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
::Thanks for that too [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 23:19, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
:We might be doing this. There is discussion on what’s going to happen if privacy stuff continues to occur with discord. Rest assured though that staff will keep everyone informed. Thanks for bringing this up and please let us know if you need anything else. - [[User:Atsumari|Atsumari]] ([[User talk:Atsumari|talk]]) 23:49, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

==Yum! relevance appeal==

the person that marked it irrelevant did it so w the justification of "because subject doesn't seem to be relevant to cases of "new" consumer exploitation". are incidents from 2014 really irrelevant? if so we got a lot of onions to chop [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 23:14, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

:{{done}} [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:09, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

==Discord tone appeal==

Hi, on 13 September 2025 [https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Discord&oldid=24510 Beanie Bo put a tone notice] on [[Discord]]. It's been some time since then, so does the ToS and Privacy Policy still need to be described instead of in bullet point? What other things could be improved in clearing the tone warning? (if any)? Thanks. [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 05:11, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

:I’ll get this flagged to Keith so we can review this internally - [[User:Atsumari|Atsumari]] ([[User talk:Atsumari|talk]]) 23:46, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
:I think as you say the main issues relate to the bullet pointed sections; mainly there are phrases like 'broad rights', which are both unhelpful and potentially misleading depending on how the reader interprets it. I'd say a shortening of the consumer impact summary, and the addition of a full section on its terms of service is probably sensible.
:I also removed the section on vague moderation as it really didn't have good enough citations to support its inclusion.
:I do think it's in a decent enough state to probably not need the tone warning however, and so I've taken it off.
:thanks @[[User:Atsumari|Atsumari]] for pinging me! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC)

==can I get mod?==

the title's a half joke. can sm1 revert [[Talk:Razer]] to [https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Razer&oldid=36825 this] version? a rando replaced the topic alongside the discussion with a summarized line cuz they thought it was the article itself. I wasn't able to revert cuz of this. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 06:11, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

{{Done}} [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:07, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

==May I ask where do I place it?==

I dont mind if need placing at a different website, but where should this article be placed at?
https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Digital_Ownership_Superact [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 23:51, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

:Not in a rude way ofc [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 23:53, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
::Since it not formal like rest of the wiki; where do I place it? (Look at the edit history) [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 23:54, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I've been following this discussion, I've just tried the move to your user now and it worked. No idea why it didn't work for Keith. It is now at [[User:^&*/Digital Ownership Superact]]. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:26, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 21:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC)

==Some Thoughts???==

I'm currently working on this [[Shell|article]], and i am having difficulty deciding on what to do with a 1990-1996 incident the company was involved in with the Nigerian Government. To keep it short, the company collaborated with the Nigerian Government after protest of the company environmental damage, creating the Internal Security Task Force (ISTF) with the sole purpose of serving Shell "community en-devours"that resulting in rape, killings, torture, and execution of protestors and Nigerian's. The company would frequently have meetings with the Nigerian government, encouraging the killings and rewarding the higher officials and police officers with meals, cash, and transportation. (sorry if i get some of this wrong)

I would like some thoughts around this incident to decide on what i should do? I was thinking creating an incident and putting an disclaimer similar to the article disclaimer shown [[Shell|here]], as this incident doesn't really delve into a product or service per-se, more of an incident about human rights abuses and market control. @[[User:Keith|Keith]]

Here is one big source of reference i plan on using: https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/AFR44/7393/2017/en/

[[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 06:52, 2 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not entirely sure if human rights issues are even allowed in the first place. Sure, it's absolutely horrible, but I'm not sure if it's in scope. We'll see what Keith says anyway. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:33, 2 March 2026 (UTC)
::torn on this one. it's done in service of market control etc., but it certainly seems like a issue more adjacent to worker abuses or environmental damage which are out-of-scope (and also it's being done in service of securing supply rather than securing demand). maybe could be mentioned off-hand as context for something else (e.g. demonstrating that they have capability/track record of working in that way), with a link to the relevant wikipedia page, but I don't think it makes sense to have a full page for it on the wiki. I assume Wikipedia has it pretty well documented? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 11:02, 2 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I looked on Wikipedia and I couldn't find any reference to the incident. I think mentioning it off-hand as additional context is a good idea, maybe with it being implemented with something like this [[Chevron|article]] (on chevron killing protestors part) and acting as a summary of the incident and not its whole article. [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 14:14, 2 March 2026 (UTC)
::::never-mind, found it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_for_the_Survival_of_the_Ogoni_People#Saro-Wiwa_v [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 20:38, 2 March 2026 (UTC)

==How will the CRW approach April Fool's day?==

Hi, April Fool's day is next month and I don't want to initiate a discussion too late, so how would we approach it? My idea is 1) no jokes in articles, no exceptions and 2) clearly mark all jokes when they occur (I've made [[Template:April fools]] for this purpose). [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 19:57, 2 March 2026 (UTC)

:If my science textbook in school gave me a QR code that ends up rickrolling me I think I'll spend longer than 1 day being distracted about it... lol
:In my opinion they should be contained within user pages and other types of pages the common person never visits, like having it as an extra link under Wiki policy or something. It would be really bad if someone in power happens to see it the one day they get told to visit a page on the wiki. Just my two cents... but then again I'm pretty biased against the day anyway [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 06:56, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't even think we should have it under a link on Wiki policy, just silently add it with thr correct template the correct people internally will see it via recent changes. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:08, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
:Honestly, I don't think we will be doing one this year. [[User:JamesTDG|JamesTDG]] ([[User talk:JamesTDG|talk]]) 07:29, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
::Was there one last year? I don't think there was. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:36, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
:::There definitely wasn't. [[User:JamesTDG|JamesTDG]] ([[User talk:JamesTDG|talk]]) 08:29, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I've deleted the template. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:10, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Might be worth undeleting it... Louis came up with an idea for an April Fools, based on that Norwegian enshittification video from the other day. Basic concept is to enshittify the wiki (maybe just the main page, and with an off button, of course) for a day. I fully agree with no jokes in articles - that's just a pain to keep track of and undo, and could damage credibility if done without good taste. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 10:33, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I have had my ideas, but I'll keep them secret for now. I'll undelete it. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:54, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::we could prob use the trollface as the wiki logo at least [[User:JamesTDG|JamesTDG]] ([[User talk:JamesTDG|talk]]) 04:21, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

==[[Special:SearchDigest]]==

I've been creating a few articles on here, but everyone else PLEASE DO THE SAME! It tells us what articles readers want! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:17, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

==Idea - Question place==

A place for new editors to get help from more experienced editors (doesn't even have to be mods) to help them with editing the CRW. I think this'd help as currently there's only this and the Bugs noticeboard. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:18, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

:I would appreciate this very much as a new editor [[User:Andrew V|Andrew V]] ([[User talk:Andrew V|talk]]) 02:51, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
:I don't know if this is new but there is a FAQ page. [[User:Andrew V|Andrew V]] ([[User talk:Andrew V|talk]]) 02:55, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
::That isn't new and that was one of my first contributions helping out there when I was a new editor, but it isn't ideal in its current state for issues not listed there. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:03, 7 March 2026 (UTC)

==Downloadable zim file==

Can the wiki be downloaded offline through a zim file similar to wikipedia? [[User:Dosjdhdjdjdhdjdjdj|Dosjdhdjdjdhdjdjdj]] ([[User talk:Dosjdhdjdjdhdjdjdj|talk]]) 01:18, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

:Not similar to Wikipedia I don't think, but we have a github repo that is open source (https://github.com/FULU-Foundation/crw). @[[User:JakeL|JakeL]] can probably provide better info than me [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:14, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
::I think it could be convenient to some people who have zim file libraries I’ve seen a lot of other wikis on the kiwix library page [[User:Dosjdhdjdjdhdjdjdj|Dosjdhdjdjdhdjdjdj]] ([[User talk:Dosjdhdjdjdhdjdjdj|talk]]) 07:53, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The backend team (JakeL and Unto) can do that. I've already pinged JakeL here so they will see this. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:58, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
:We don't currently offer anything officially, although you could look into using <nowiki>https://github.com/openzim/mwoffliner</nowiki> to generate your own, in combination with Kiwix. [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 23:11, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
::That seems like an interesting tool, though I do think that an official file should be looked into as a future project [[User:Dosjdhdjdjdhdjdjdj|Dosjdhdjdjdhdjdjdj]] ([[User talk:Dosjdhdjdjdhdjdjdj|talk]]) 23:46, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

==Tagging as incomplete AND stubs==

Hello. I've noticed a lot of incomplete and stub both being used at the same time, which takes up lots of space. I haven't removed this, but I think it's quite excessive. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:04, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

==Duplicate page for "Autodesk Fusion EOL"==

It looks like the page [[Autodesk Fusion360 EOL on Intel based macOS systems running open core legacy]] has been replaced by [[Autodesk Fusion EOL on Intel based MacOS systems running OpenCore legacy]]. The former is incomplete, while the latter has more content and is complete. Search and [[Projects:Archive everything#The list]] bring up both. Should the former be deleted or changed to a redirect (and removed from The List)? I'm not sure which and don't have the privileges to do either. (I put a Discussion note but dunno if that pings anyone.) ... Posting here since I don't know where to ask, and so I'll know in the future. Thanks! [[User:Marc84|Marc84]] ([[User talk:Marc84|talk]]) 01:21, 9 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hello, please use [[Template:MergeRequest]] in the future. I'll change this now. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:25, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::I've redirected it to [[Autodesk Fusion EOL on Intel based MacOS systems running OpenCore legacy]] and will remove it from the list now. Also, on the pinging, you can ping people by typing a link to their userpage. For example, typing [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] pings me, and [[User:Marc84]] pings you. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:29, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::Thanks for the info and merging the pages. [[User:Marc84|Marc84]] ([[User talk:Marc84|talk]]) 19:38, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

==Remove deletion notice apple macos==

I have added a lot of info and references to [[Apple macOS]] so I think it could be marked as a stub or incomplete rather than deletion [[User:Dosjdhdjdjdhdjdjdj|Dosjdhdjdjdhdjdjdj]] ([[User talk:Dosjdhdjdjdhdjdjdj|talk]]) 01:21, 10 March 2026 (UTC)

:{{Done}} [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:24, 10 March 2026 (UTC)

==Appeal Request==

Hello! The article [[Advertising overload]] is marked as incomplete and as relying on AI/LLMs. I believe I've addressed the original intent of both of these, though the bottom section ([[Advertising overload#Notable Examples]]) is still a stub. I think the AI status notice should be removed, and the Incomplete notice should be replaced with a Stub notice.

Cheers! [[User:Scholar Silas|Scholar Silas]] ([[User talk:Scholar Silas|talk]]) 05:52, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

:{{Done}} including '''completely removing both notices''', not marking it as a stub. The article overall is very long, and if a section is all to complain about on a very long article, then it's definitely not a stub. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:02, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

== Who gets superconfirmed first? ==

Hello, starting this discussion since the new superconfirmed usergroup has been added and we need to figure out who to give it to first. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 22:07, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

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User talk:Keith

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[[User:Alexa|Alexa]] ([[User talk:Alexa|talk]]) 16 May 2025

Hello @[[User:Keith|Keith]],

I'm interested in helping with the wiki, and specifically I have real world example, but would like to check if it's a good fit here or not.

And I can't talk in discord, as it's forcing me to submit my email.

Is this a good place to start conversation on adding new company, and fitness of the case.

Thank you.

∼∼∼∼

Hi @[[User:Alexa|Alexa]]!

No problem at all - go ahead and let me know what your thought is and I'll give you my thoughts on whether/how it fits on the wiki!

[[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 20:03, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

[[User:Alexa|Alexa]] ([[User talk:Alexa|talk]]) 06:36, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

@[[User:Keith|Keith]],

There is company in California that offers indoor skydiving, and obviously they have waiver to sign (with arbitration 😃), but it's not the issue I found there, but that part of that waiver is "consent" to "grant exclusive permission" to take photo/video, and use it in their promotional materials, and there is no way to sign the waiver without consenting to that photo/video permission, online form doesn't allow you to proceed. And even when we went to the place itself, staff said that "corporate doesn't allow them to print out forms to fill out, anymore, and all waivers need to be filled in online", means we can't opt out from that photo/video consent. So my kid ended up not taking that "flight", because we couldn't sign the waiver without consenting to photos.

Thank you.

[[User:Alexa|Alexa]] ([[User talk:Alexa|talk]]) 17 May 2025

@[[User:Alexa|Alexa]]

I think that fits the bill - although it's a smaller company, it fits within the frame of modern consumer protection and demonstrates how draconian the terms for even something like that can be.
Go for it! I'd probably say that this is a case where a company article can be created, and the TOS issue can be neatly summarised within it, as opposed to being a seperate incident article.

Edit: actually, I might have got ahead of myself - is this something which has been covered or discussed annywhere other than by yourself? If not, it may fall foul of the No Original Research rule, although a very basic page which basically just lays out the facts which can be established from their website and TOS, and does not provide any commentary beyond this, might be ok.

[[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 07:55, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

==Re: CAT Documentation==
[[User:Keith|@Keith]] I've replied to your message at [[User talk:Travis]]. Let me know if you'd like to discuss further approaches to organizing the documentation. [[User:Travis|Travis]] ([[User talk:Travis|talk]]) 14:43, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

==Delegating tasks==

Hello Keith,

You said at the meetup that you found it easy to delegate.

This interests me because when I was in business, I found it difficult delegate: did not believe people could not do a good enough job and I would be still responsible for the results.

Is this topic of interest to you?

∼∼∼∼

[[User:Janosabel|Janosabel]] ([[User talk:Janosabel|talk]]) 22:48, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

:I think that in the context of wikis or any kind of community project, one needs to be able to trust others to get anywhere (perhaps with some verification too at times).
:I'm under absolutely no illusion that I can do all or even much of this by myself, and we have some really talented and great people on the team!
:There's no way of achieving the results we'd want without spreading the workload and decision-making responsibility. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 09:33, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
::I understand what you mean.
::Just realised, I was speaking about me half a century ago; and not being able to trust delegees cost me a burnout. Without delegation even if imperfect, what must be done cannot be done.
::Unfortunately I cannot help by contributing to the Wiki for lack of academic training in the required writing style, but put on my talk page a witness account how supermarkets expanding to local areas are killing independent small traders.
::PS. What is the difference between <edit source> and using the <reply> button? [[User:Janosabel|Janosabel]] ([[User talk:Janosabel|talk]]) 20:05, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
:::I think the reply button just opens up a small window of the editor, and applies the signature to the message automatically? I'll have a look at what you mentioned, but I'm not sure it quite fits the theme of the Wiki, as we're keeping it focused on anti-consumer activities, rather than general issues with corporate behaviour.
:::And yes, I'll be careful on burnout! I want to avoid the combination of this and my day job driving me mad... [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 23:02, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

==Thanks and silly questions==

Hi Keith,

thanks for adding me to the confirmed users. Total newbie here, i have no idea how to properly contribute. I tried to start a discussion in the Category Leagislation Africa, not sure if it was posted.

Should i ask it directly here? or keep it in that category?

Mika, Madagascar. [[User:Mikadago|Mikadago]] ([[User talk:Mikadago|talk]]) 11:42, 16 August 2025 (UTC)

:I'm happy to reply there, though it will take a few mins to put together an answer and provide some guidance on where best to include the information [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 13:28, 16 August 2025 (UTC)

==Is the main Miku article ready to have the stub removed?==

[[Miku]]

I've been working on getting to Miku article to a better place, is there anything else you think I should add to it before the stub is removed? [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 01:20, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

:Happy to remove the incomplete notice as it's defeinitely better sourced now, but I think it might be s good idea for you to have a look at how the controversies/incidents section is laid out on the [[Netflix]] article, as the way it's done in the Miku article is a little strange, especially with the 'this article sumarizes' bits at the start of paragraphs
:In any case, thank you for the good work! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 08:46, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

==Why was my page deleted?==

I also see no notices or notifications in regard to this. I thought the whole point of this was for transparency? [[User:Slab Man|Slab Man]] ([[User talk:Slab Man|talk]]) 21:12, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

:From what I can tell you created the article with, other than the information from the form, just a couple of sentences containing an accusation without any citation or reference to support it. After around 12 hours, Mr Pollo added a deletion notice to the article, as there was virtually no information contained in the article. After a couple more days, as the article had not been edited or improved, it was deleted.
:I can't speak to the lack of notifications - usually whenever an article you've been involved in is edited, it will show up in your inbox in the top right of the screen. It's possible that the full deletion of the article resulted in it removing the notifications; I'm not exactly sure of how that interaction works [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 23:01, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
::Well I planned to add more details and citations when I had time. It can't be a draft/work in progress? You have to write everything in one go? [[User:Slab Man|Slab Man]] ([[User talk:Slab Man|talk]]) 04:44, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
:::The wiki generally expects an article to have at least a few references and all of the template parts at least partially filled in within the first few days of an article's creation. [[User:JamesTDG|JamesTDG]] ([[User talk:JamesTDG|talk]]) 05:59, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
:::I'll second what James said, and also add that it's possible to create draft pages within your user space. You do this by adding 'user:[yourname]/' to the start of the page name. This keeps it out of mainspace, meaning it is not searchable by the main search bar.
:::Currently this policy you've encountered is unwritten, so I'll add it to the moderator guidelines shortly. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 06:30, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
::::Noted. It would be great if there was a regular draft function like in almost every software. (So this doesn’t happen to other new users after their first contribution.) Honestly, after you deleted it, it felt like my contribution is unwanted. [[User:Slab Man|Slab Man]] ([[User talk:Slab Man|talk]]) 04:31, 21 August 2025 (UTC)
:::::That's fair enough - we should add some more text to the article creation flow which explains how user space works, how to make a draft article, and what the policy for handling new articles is. If you'd like, I can get the text from the deleted article and put it on your user talk page or something so you can pick it up from where you left off? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 10:37, 21 August 2025 (UTC)
::::::Thank you that would be great. Looking forward to helping out! [[User:Slab Man|Slab Man]] ([[User talk:Slab Man|talk]]) 18:32, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

==Interenet Archive stub notice seems badly placed==

Hi @[[User:Keith|Keith]], the stub notice on [[Internet Archive]] seems to be after the lead section and not before it. Can you please fix this? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:40, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

:Done! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 08:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

==Question about re-use of sources for LiveView Article==

Hey Keith,

I noticed that for the [[LiveView Technologies AI Surveillance]] article, the same source has been re-used multiple times but shows up with a different citation number. Namely the citations number 6,32, and 33 are duplicates of 4 (LVT Use Cases in Law Enforcement), 14 is a duplicate of 5 (AI-Driven Mobile Security for Every Threat), 35 is a duplicate of 8 (Fusion Centers), and 21 is a duplicate of 20 (Mobile cameras deployed at Monroe County Office Building amid security concerns)

Also the links are missing the archive URLs in the references and some don't have author first and last name or date where they are available on the site or the date is incorrect.

I have a version of the article which shrinks the list of references (citation 33 is now a re-use of citation 4 for that section for example) and also has the relevant archive links and names and dates for each reference where possible.

Should I commit the change? I know that this article may be looked at be people very soon and I'd rather get your approval to change it and have you ready to roll-back or append to it in case you don't like it. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 18:47, 26 August 2025 (UTC)

:I think I'm going to commit the change now, you're free to revert it or check it over in case I messed something up. In the event this article is mentioned at City hall on Thursday, I want it to be the best it can be.
:Thank you for helping with the wiki. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 19:03, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you! and yeah, if you notice small formating issues (especially with an article louis has been working on :P ) just go ahead and make the change - that's the way of the wiki! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:41, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
:::Small formatting issues or other non-obvious things like referencing problems* [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:41, 26 August 2025 (UTC)

==Proposal to add a section for organized meetings. (might be a better name for this)==

Hey Keith, I hope I'm not posting here again too early.

I thought about how every time Louis wants to generate interest for a particular issue with regards to getting viewers to organize, most of the time he has to do a video on it and these calls for organization when fighting for a particular issue (such as LVT tomorrow) are based in the United States.

I don't know if this already exists on the wiki (if it does, i'd like to know where it is), but do you think it would be a good idea to create a page specifically for posting the dates and instructions for showing up to demonstrations or hearings for the purposes of pushing back against anti-consumer or anti-privacy related issues? (This could be world-wide).

If someone from the UK for example wanted to organize a demonstration or have people speak at or attend an open council meeting, they would edit a row of a wiki table and list the time of the demonstration, an additional page describing the instructions or requirements to attend, and the issue that will be talked about (similar to rossmanngroup.com/clippyone).

I feel that with something like this, organizing both members of the public and members of the wiki regardless of country would be much easier and could provide a centralized and updated list of upcoming events based on user submission and moderator approval.

Let me know what you think about something like this when you're free to reply, I'd like to hear your thoughts in addition to anyone else who sees this and wants to talk about it. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 17:11, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

:It's definitely on the edge of what makes sense here, but I think that it's worth considering as it could well be useful. Might be something that will end up being done through FULU though in the end... maybe some kind of 'events noticeboard' a bit like the moderator notice could work? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 20:25, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
::An "events noticeboard" in the way you describe it with moderation is exactly what I was thinking. You're right about how it should be done through FULU directly instead of the wiki, that's a better idea.
::Thanks for your input, I appreciate it. I was just wondering if it was a completely off-the-wall idea. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 23:16, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

==BT article==

Hello Keith, remember [[BT's Digital Voice service in the UK isn't good for the Elderly|this article]]? I pinged you 16 days ago but it seems that it didn’t work and I’ve forgotten about it since. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 19:27, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

:Thanks for the reminder! as we were both in agreement, I removed the article. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 06:48, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

==Privacy notice change==

Hello Keith, I was looking through things in the Mediawiki namespace to see how backend works, when I noticed the [[Mediawiki:Footer-privacy-notice]] page and it reminded me of [[Talk:Main Page#stating "Recently updated" not particularly helpful|this on the main page]]. Can we change it quickly or does it need to be done backend? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:37, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

:We're going to do a policy update and a full review of that stuff when we update the backend tomorrow, so I'll make sure it's handled [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:01, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

==Protect Template:Welcome==

Hello, am contacting you directly as I think it is the best way to make this happen, but PLEASE protect Template:Welcome, I doubt we'll get vandalism on there but if we do and it sends a message with it we're done for... [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:06, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

:Oh, also can you make the bot substitute (make the template not change on that page even after it gets updated) the templates for the sake of preservation of the page? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:08, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks @[[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] for getting that first one!
::I think I get what you mean re. the substitution, but have no idea how to do it. Will look into it [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:30, 14 October 2025 (UTC)
:Done. Thanks for bringing it up! I'm not sure about your second question though, so I'll leave that to Keith. [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 18:26, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
::Second one is complicated, but the first one is the only important one. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:39, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

==Is it fine for me to get an alternate account?==

Edit: Have no clue why I'd need this in practice, so forget about it. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:33, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

:no worries. In answer to your question, as long as we're notified, and there are no sockpuppetry shenanigans, then the answer is yes. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:39, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

==Do you mind if I use AutoWikiBrowser on the CRW?==

Hello, I recently heard about a tool called [[wikipedia:WP:AWB|AutoWikiBrowser]] which is a semi-automated tool meant to help for repetitive smaller edits which I do a lot, do you mind if I use it and if you don't mind, should I use an alternate account for it (maybe with 'bot flag' even though it's not a bot so it doesn't show??) Edit: Also, the page to get this, [[Special:BotPasswords|BotPasswords]], lets you change grants for people/things with the password, so is it okay to let people/things with the password edit protected pages (for things like typo-fixing Project namespace pages)? It is risky if it is obtained.[[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:23, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

:Happy for you to use that! sounds like a great tool. No strong opinions on whetehr you make a separate account for it [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:11, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
::On the passwords front, I'm not sure how exactly that works. Does it give you the ability to use your own account via API? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:14, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
:::Yes, botpasswords is pretty much that. It lets you change permissions too, so I can give it only specific permissions for safety reasons. Also, as for the ‘seperate account thing’ Botpasswords (the one that I can use) gives me a new account anyway so there’s no reason for it, just me misunderstanding the usage. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 14:16, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
::::Cool, that sounds fine then! do you need me to do anything to get it set up? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:20, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::No, I’ll do it myself when I next get a chance on my PC (without any special perms as I don’t know why I’d need that!) [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 14:21, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

==Found Large Amount of 404 links for flock article==

Page link: [[Flock license plate readers]]

Hey Keith,

I was checking the sources in the above article and noticed that for a large section of it, the sources will lead directly to pages which either don't exist or result in 404. I really hope that this is just a problem on my end and isn't really the case. Below is the complete list of all sources I found that lead to 404'd pages. On the actual article page, I have also marked the following with the status of usurped for the time being.

{| class="wikitable"
|+
!Ref #

!Title

!Issue

!Archive state

!Link

|-
|20
|"How Vehicle Fingerprint Technology Works"
|404
|no archive
|
https://www.flocksafety.com/resources/how-vehicle-fingerprint-technology-works
|-
|21
|
"License Plate Surveillance Company Can Now Capture Images of Vehicle Occupants' Faces"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://www.404media.co/flock-safety-can-now-capture-faces-of-vehicle-occupants/
|-
|
22
|
"Transforming Flock: Beyond License Plate Reading to Deliver Greater Insights for Solving Crime"
|
404
|
no archive
|

https://www.flocksafety.com/newsroom/transforming-flock-beyond-license-plate-reading-to-deliver-greater-insights-for-solving-crime/
|-
|
24
|
"Atlas of Surveillance: Flock Safety"
|
goes to deeplinks blog, but no article
|
no archive
|
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/04/atlas-surveillance-flock-safety
|-
|
25
|
"Leaders of a Beautiful Struggle v. Baltimore Police Department"
|
404
|no archive
|

https://www.eff.org/cases/leaders-beautiful-struggle-v-baltimore-police-department
|-
|
26
|
"Carpenter and the Evolving Fourth Amendment"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://www.law.georgetown.edu/american-criminal-law-review/wp-content/uploads/sites/15/2023/01/60-1-Carpenter-and-the-Evolving-Fourth-Amendment.pdf
|-
|
27
|
"Leaders of a Beautiful Struggle v. Baltimore Police Department"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67689711/leaders-of-a-beautiful-struggle-v-baltimore-police-department/
|-
|28
|
"Illinois Compiled Statutes - Freedom from Drone Surveillance Act"
|
404
|
no archive
|

https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs3.asp?ActID=3541&ChapterID=53
|-
|
29
|
"RSA 236:130 Automated License Plate Recognition"
|
potential 404
|
no archive
|
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XXI/236/236-130.htm
|-
|
32
|
"Surveillance firm provided ICE access to license plate reader systems"
|
404
|
no archive
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jul/15/flock-safety-ice-license-plate-reader
|-
|
33
|
"How Flock Safety is Building a Surveillance Network for ICE"
|
404
|
no archive
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https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/03/flock-safety-and-ice
|-
|
34
|
"ICE Surveillance of Immigrants and Advocates"
|
404
|
no archive
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https://americanoversight.org/investigation/ice-surveillance-of-immigrants-and-advocates/
|-
|
35
|
"ACLU Obtains Records Showing ICE Using License Plate Readers in Sanctuary Cities"
|
404
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no archive
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https://www.aclunc.org/news/aclu-obtains-records-showing-ice-using-license-plate-readers-sanctuary-cities
|-
|
36
|
"License Plate Readers Are Creating a US-Wide Database of More Than Just Cars"
|404
|no archive
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https://www.vice.com/en/article/license-plate-readers-abortion-clinics-texas
|-
|37
|"Reproductive Surveillance in Post-Roe America"
|404
|no archive
|https://www.surveillancewatch.io/reproductive-surveillance-post-roe/
|-
|38
|"State Shield Laws and Reproductive Privacy"
|dead site
|no archive
|https://reproductiverights.gov/shield-laws/
|-
|39
|"Flock Safety Employees Caught Misusing Access to Surveillance Network"
|404
|no archive
|https://www.wired.com/story/flock-safety-employees-misuse-access/
|-
|40
|"Audit Reveals Hundreds of Flock Safety Privacy Violations"
|404
|no archive
|https://www.techdirt.com/2024/05/15/audit-reveals-hundreds-of-flock-safety-privacy-violations/
|-
|41
|"When License Plate Readers Become Tools for Stalking"
|404
|no archive
|https://apnews.com/article/license-plate-readers-police-misuse-stalking
|-
|42
|"Detroit Officer Fired for Using City Cameras to Track Ex-Wife"
|404
|no archive
|https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/detroit-city/2024/03/officer-fired-tracking-ex-wife/
|-
|43
|"Proactive Security Disclosure Q2 2025"
|404
|no archive
|https://www.flocksafety.com/blog/proactive-security-disclosure-q2-2025
|}
If you discover no issues (or the formatting of this table turns out horrible and breaks your talk page), disregard this and remove my topic from your page. And revert the change I made to the article where I marked the mentioned links as usurped.

Hopefully if these sites really lead to nothing and it's not just me, then the table makes it easy for you to do something. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 02:52, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

:Had a bit of a dig and my suspicion, expecially since these references are all next to each other, is that there was probably some AI chicanery in the making of the article.
:Seem to be poitentially based on real pages, e.g. this one:
:https://www.eff.org/document/fourth-circuit-ruling-leaders-beautiful-struggle-v-baltimore-police-department
:is probably meant to be #25 instead of what is currently there
:I'd recommend sticking this table on the Flock talk page (if you haven't already) and letting people know they might need to look for what these links are meant to be [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:19, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
::I went ahead and added the table to the discussion tab. Should there be a notice at the top of the Flock page to make people aware? Or leave it as is? [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 17:42, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
:::Nevermind about the notice. The references were small enough to not need them for the most part. I started working on fixing some of them [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 18:30, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

==Oversighted something==

Hello, Keith! I just wanted to let you know I just gave myself the 'suppressor' user right as I oversighted what I think could be your IP address for privacy reasons. The info is at [[Special:Diff/805]]. If it isn't your IP address, feel free to revert what I just did. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 11:32, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

:I think it might have been (though very good chance it was some temp VPN/mobile IP address). In any case, thank you for spotting it! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 12:09, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

==being able to edit Discussions==

hey so I just discovered I can edit discussions. not only mine but any1 elses. is this an oversight? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 20:23, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

:Not sure - might just be how wikis are (given that edit logs are public, it's pretty easy to combat anyone trying to abuse it, same as with article vandalism)
:I'll page in @[[User:UntoK|UntoK]] in case it's something that isn't how it should be [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 23:13, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
::Nah, that's MediaWiki. Nothing unusual there. Edit Source is actually the default way to edit discussions in MediaWiki, but the interface is changed by an extension (forgot the name), so that it shows as this instead of just the edit source button. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:37, 5 December 2025 (UTC)
:::dk y I didn't notice that b4. I've been on and off w contribs so thought smth changed since my last visit. anyhow thanks for clearing up the concern. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:00, 8 December 2025 (UTC)

=="fixing" recent changes==

since the introduction of [[Template:Welcome]], [[Special:RecentChanges]] has become a graveyard of User:Talks that I have to sift through in order to double check people's work. can we please block [[User:New_user_message]] from showing up on there?

edit: the bot bypasses the "Human (not bot) active filter
[[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 22:12, 26 December 2025 (UTC)

:yeah, that's a localsettings.php part that Keith can pass on to Unto. setting $wgNewUserSuppressRC to true should work. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:50, 1 January 2026 (UTC)
::as a temp fix, [https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Special:RecentChanges?hidebots=1&namespace=3&invert=1&limit=100&days=7&enhanced=1&urlversion=2 this] should work [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:54, 1 January 2026 (UTC)
:::legend. thank you [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 18:43, 1 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Hi @[[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] - took a bit of a break over the holidays so sorry for not replying. I'll contact Unto and see if he can take a look [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:12, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::Fair enough! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:49, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::any update? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 17:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I've put Unto on it but no update. I'll chase him [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:30, 13 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Darth Sidious says "do it". [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:36, 14 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::any update? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 23:08, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I think it's been fixed? I don't see New User Message clogging up the feed anymore [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:54, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I certainly remember that we tried to fix it, and I think it seemed to work [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:54, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::oh... I was using ACRP's temp fix so I did not realize and thought it was still broken lol [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:06, 1 March 2026 (UTC)

==*sigh*==

Where are the projects (again)? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:04, 19 January 2026 (UTC)

:deja vu? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 18:42, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
::[[Consumer_Rights_Wiki_talk:Moderators%27_noticeboard#*sigh*|oh]] [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 18:48, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
:::LOL, made me chuckle seeing your replies! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:55, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
::::hey as a wise man once said "if you are good at something, never do it for free". that'll be $5 my friend [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:05, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::yeah, replied on the noticeboard, but just adding here - I think an update must have broken it. have contacted Unto [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 01:07, 20 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] @[[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] Fixed! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:52, 20 January 2026 (UTC)

==sorry for the ping==

I used the intro text from [[Texas Attorney General sues multiple TV makers over ACR user data collection]] to add to the Incidents section for each of the mentioned companies. In the edit summary I linked you. Ik that @ and [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 22:33, 21 January 2026 (UTC) ping the user but idk abt linking. regardless sorry abt the pings

:th happened here? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 22:34, 21 January 2026 (UTC)
::No worries! I don't think @s in edit summaries cause pings anyway [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 22:37, 21 January 2026 (UTC)

==alternative to Discord==

I don't use Discord. many members of the wiki don't use Discord. can't talk on their behalf but I can mine. if there was a Matrix or heck Signal gc (lol), I'd love to be a part of it. are there any plans for migration off Discord or perhaps providing w an alternative they'd be more comfortable with? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:32, 23 January 2026 (UTC)

:We're hoping to get a Zulip bridge with the Discord in the next couple of months. This would allow people to essentially join the Discord without joining the Discord, with the exception of a couple of features like bot commands and voice channels. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 08:19, 24 January 2026 (UTC)
::lovely looking forward to it [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 09:44, 24 January 2026 (UTC)
:::is the Zulip bridge still under consideration following the impending age verification push in March? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 23:07, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
::::I've not heard of Zulip but it sounds like some sort of proxy? I'd prefer something like Matrix but that seems great too. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:44, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Zulip is a bit like a matrix/discord-y thing, and we'd use plugins to essentially crosspost everything that's sent to it to the discord and vice versa. It's still coming along but I've been crap and haven't got the server paid up yet. will try and do this next week and we can hopefully get it up shortly. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:45, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Just in case yous hadn't noticed it on the main page @[[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] @[[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]], we're moving our monthly hangout meetings from discord to zoom so as to include more of the community, and you're both welcome to join! first one is at 20:00 UTC tomorrow. if you pop me an email over to help@consumerrights.wiki, I'll send you the zoom link (son't want to posted publicly for obvious reasons) [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:50, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I've seen that, I'm not interested in joining though. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:21, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::oh I totally missed that. I'll shoot over an email and add it to my calendar but dk if I'll be able to join. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:09, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Apologies for not seeing this sooner - I'll send over a link just now! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:34, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Hi, any update on the Zulip bridge? Sorry for asking after such a short time but I'd really like to use it! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:24, 5 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Keith|Keith]] any update still? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 12:44, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

==Can you help moving my page==

Sorry I said this 3 times or more, I got confused, can you move please, I moved it in wrong place, may I ask should I ask here instead of the pages I placed [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 21:23, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

:Thank you but should I create it in the user page just to clarify [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 21:34, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
::Don't want to be nuisance that all when doing my article [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 21:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I've replied on your user page - think it should be alright now? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 21:38, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
::::your user talk page* [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 21:38, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

==Adding categories==

Hello, please don't add categories in the visual editor as it doesn't work, instead simply type <code><nowiki>[[Category:CATEGORYNAME]]</nowiki></code> and replace CATEGORYNAME with the name of the category, otherwise it won't work. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:57, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:Apologies, thank you! I usually use source but I think there I just hit 'edit' by accident as was trying to set it up quickly. just so you know, I've replied to stefan's questions on the page he moved - thank you for moving the page he created! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 17:31, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

==Regarding a recent article I created==

Hello, Keith! I have finally decided to become a contributor here. The article I've been working on is [[Happy Bar & Grill Biometric Surveillance]]. However, when someone I've sent the link to opens it, they see the version that was last updated before I created my profile. What could be causing this? I apologise for any lack of knowledge on my part. [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 18:23, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:Unfortunately this is a problem with cloudflare's caching. If you wait a short while, or they log in, they should see the updated version. We've found a solution and will be shipping it with the next version of the wiki so that page edits are instantly reflected in cached versions of pages. Until then, it's just a case of waiting a while or logging in (logging in bypasses the cache as it needs to load user-specific elements). Great work on the article by the way! Just as a heads up, we're happy to have sources in non-english languages, so if you find any Bulgarian sources discussing it, those would be great to add to the article to demonstrate notability. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 18:42, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::Oops, apparently I was spreading misinformation on the internet regarding the exact reasons for it not being cached, but the gist is still the same, which is that logged-in users bypass the cache! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 18:48, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::Thank you for the swift reply and the explanation! It's so refreshing to see people working hard and helping others for a good cause. Also very happy to hear that you like how the article has turned out so far. I've extensively searched for any other sources regarding the issue, but found nothing. I guess someone has to start the discussion! :D
::Just to confirm: is the wiki English-only? I'd love to make the article more accessible to my compatriots, but I suppose I'll just tell them to use the automatic translation option on their browser. [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 21:05, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The wiki is english only yeah, for moderation purposes (we don't have a team that's reliably able to check the quality of non-english articles). if you wanted, though, we'd be happy for you to put a bulgarian version in your user space (i.e. the page lives at consumerrights.wiki/w/User:Juuns/[pagename]) - just make sure to put a note in english at the top so that none of the mods mistake it for a spam article! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 22:48, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Hey there, thanks for the advice! Is that alright? https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Iw/User:Juuns/%D0%91%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%BE_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BB%D1%8E%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%B2_Happy_Bar_%26_Grill_-_bg_translation_of_an_existing_article/&veaction=edit [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 08:35, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Yep! The URL looks cursed written out like that lol but it's in the right place [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:24, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Hello again, Keith!
::::::I and the small team I've created have made huge progress regarding the surveillance situation at Happy Bar and Dinner. We posted the wiki on the r/bulgaria subreddit, and it topped the daily chart in less than three hours. People are outraged.
::::::I've managed to contact an advocate from the opposition here who agreed to share the wiki on her Facebook page (over 10,000 followers). She also agreed to work with me to make the topic go viral and will send this to other human rights and anti-mafia activists in Bulgaria. We've planned to create several videos in various forms regarding the issue.
::::::I am writing with a big request that would be extremely beneficial to my cause and the wiki: Could you contact Louis Rossmann and share the wiki with him? Alternatively, you could connect him to me so I can tell him more about it.
::::::I understand this is a big request, but I would be very thankful for your help :) [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 18:43, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That's great! I've passed the info on, and will let you know the response
:::::::This is exactly how I've been hoping to see the wiki be used, so I'm really excited that it's getting picked up! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:20, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Hello again, Keith. Things are spreading like wildfire and are getting very heated. An official position from Happy Bar & Grill has been released. They are aggressively denying the claims, but their statement actually contains several contradictions that validate my research rather than disprove it.
::::::::In their official position, Happy Bar & Grill claims to have already notified the wiki's administrators (you and Rossmann, I suppose), issuing what they describe as a "categorical demand" for the removal of all alleged misinformation within a 24-hour ultimatum. Could you confirm if such a notice was received? A corporation issuing a 24-hour take-down ultimatum to an independent documentation project before any independent audit or regulatory investigation has taken place is simply outrageous.
::::::::Some of the main points I wanted to cover:
::::::::First, there is a major timeline discrepancy. Happy claims they received an offer from GI Mobility Services (linked to IP Biometrix? I cannot find any information about them, and other people have come up with nothing as well) in 2023 and officially rejected it on 14 December 2023. However, my archived evidence from IP Biometrix's portfolio shows a screenshot dated 9 November 2024—almost a year after they claim to have rejected the proposal. If they truly rejected the system in 2023, why does the vendor's portfolio display active implementation data from late 2024? Why was the article on their page until 2026? Also, there was an image displaying logos of partner companies still on IP Biometrix's page until 11 March 2026. They took that down just a few hours! This suggests either the system was further tested despite the rejection, or their timeline is fabricated to cover ongoing processing. My main hypothesis right now is that GI Mobility Services is the old version of IP Biometrix. IP Biometrix is a very new company, established at the end of 2023, just around the time of the implied rejected proposal.
::::::::Second, their statement completely omits any mention of "Burrata Italiana," despite it being owned by the same group. Is this supposed to be implied? My evidence specifically identifies the biometric dashboard screenshots as originating from the Burrata Italiana location in Varna.
::::::::Third, the article on Boulevard Bulgaria (one of the most shared articles regarding the topic), in my eyes, appears to be paid or ordered content, mirroring Happy's language almost verbatim without independent verification. It is even on their top page (archived here: https://web.archive.org/web/20260312235007/https://boulevardbulgaria.bg/). Meanwhile, they are attempting to discredit consumerrights.wiki by calling it an unverified anonymous wiki. THIS ATTACKS THE INTEGRITY OF THE WHOLE PLATFORM! I must stand firm that I am NOT spreading misinformation; I am documenting archived vendor evidence and public records. For the past couple of hours, I have made as many archives as possible for any news articles, blogs, and information regarding this.
::::::::They are trying to suppress the discussion before it has begun, but I believe it's too late. Many people have already shared this on social media and are also quite sceptical of Happy's response. A deeper dive into IP Biometrix as a whole is needed to check whether other companies also use such a system. They are very shady; they have many other "partners." They are the main issue. I will try to update the page with their denial as soon as possible, but contextualise it with these contradictions so readers see the full picture.
::::::::For your reference, here are some of the key articles circulating regarding this situation:
::::::::Post in r/bulgaria: Where it all started. After this thread was made, this issue gained massive traction in no time, featuring thousands of views and hundreds of comments from concerned citizens, topping the weekly chart in less than 24 hours: https://www.reddit.com/r/bulgaria/comments/1rqxn90/%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8_%D0%B7%D0%B0_%D1%81%D1%8A%D0%B1%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%B1%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%B8_%D0%B4%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B8_%D0%B2_%D1%85%D0%B5%D0%BF%D0%B8/
::::::::Boulevard Bulgaria: This article mirrors the official corporate release almost verbatim and lacks independent verification. It appears to be coordinated PR rather than journalism: https://boulevardbulgaria.bg/articles/happy-tvardeniyata-che-verigata-sledi-klientite-si-s-ai-kameri-sa-absolyutno-neverni
::::::::Mobile Bulgaria: General news coverage discussing the allegations and the company's response. https://mobilebulgaria.com/news/izpolzva-li-happy-bar-grill-litsevo-razpoznavane-s-ai-v-restorantite-si
::::::::Kaldata: Technical analysis and reporting on the AI camera systems in restaurants and the company's response. https://www.kaldata.com/it-%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B8/ai-%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8-%D0%B2-%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5-%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B0-%D0%B7%D0%B0-%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B7-650764.html
::::::::Other useful information:
::::::::IP Biometrix: Their current website shows no information or response regarding the events. https://ip-biometrix.com/
::::::::Confirmation that this is indeed "Burrata Italiana Varna" in Varna, Bulgaria: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Burrata+Italiana+Varna/@43.1962014,27.9154998,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m6!3m5!1s0x40a453f66ec877b1:0x1331c25a3c536926!8m2!3d43.1962014!4d27.9180747!16s%2Fg%2F11js3ffhz7?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI2MDMxMS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D; [[:File:AI Surveillance Dashboard.png]]
::::::::There are other outlets covering this as well, but these are the primary sources needed. I am disgusted by Happy's answer and Boulevard Bulgaria's PR-like article. Please inform Louis to check the email I've sent about this issue; I've formulated all the needed information there. I am furious. [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 01:15, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Crucial note: While the filename indicates November 2024, this date relies on the vendor's naming convention and cannot be forensically verified. Additionally, there is another screenshot in the article from that same date (Screenshot-2024-11-09-121619.png), which may indicate that the screenshots were made when the article was posted rather than during live operation." [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 02:27, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Unfortunately, I cannot dedicate unlimited time to maintaining and updating this page alone given the rapid developments. I would greatly appreciate any help regarding that. :) [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 02:34, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::yep, we've recieved it alright. I'm reworking the article a bit at the moment, to ensure that it's a bit more neutral, fits our editorial policies etc., and does not make any original claims beyond those contained in sources. My current understanding is that there is no evidence that the system has been deployed at scale, as such I'm moving/renaming the article and rewording some of the content.
:::::::::I'd appreciate if you could keep your bg translation up-to-date with the changes made to the english article (or find someone who is able to do so) to make sure that it's in-line as well. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 07:08, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I've edited and added as much context as I could to both articles for now. I'm going to take a little break for the rest of the day. Thanks a lot for your support and dedication to this issue and the wiki as a whole. Talk to you soon! [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 09:56, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Lastly for now, could you move the translation to change the title? Разработка на биометричен инструмент за наблюдение на Happy Bar & Grill/Burrata. I suggest specifying Burrata in the English version as well, as we have implication from the company's response that the screenshot of the monitoring is real and not fabricated (pleas read their official response thoroughly before doing anything). [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 10:03, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

==Stub Pains==

Hey Keith,

I'm way out of my depth here with these stub notices, I added a stub to two new articles I made not realizing they would literally prevent my ability to add any text to the article.

links: [[AirPods Connection Vulnerability]] | [[AirPods Max Moisture Issue]]

When I attempt to make a change to the article, I was getting a stub deletion error. If I did something wrong, would you be able to explain what exactly happened with this so it doesn't happen again? [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 06:55, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

:(IN CASE YOU COULDN'T NOTICE, I'M NOT KEITH!) This is a common issue that users have had for a very long time now. If you edit anywhere before or on the line of the stub notice, something called the abuse filter says "nope, lol, nice try" and blocks the edit. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:18, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
::Should work now. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
:Ah, I think I did the same thing as ACRP, but the stub notices are now on their own line and not touching anything else, so there shouldn't be any further issues [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:30, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

==Publicising RfCs==

Hello, the RfCs you made haven't gotten any attention. Should we publicise them better? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:34, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

:Yeah, I'll set up some kind of hub that includes pages with the RfC category or something. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:23, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
::ok, I made a category for open and closed RfCs, transcluded them on a page, and linked to it from the policy index. idk if there's anywhere else it should be? I guess it's probably worth mentioning on some of the guide-y pages [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:44, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

==Arbys article weird ref issue==

[[Arby's]]

hey keith, when I look at the arby's article, it says in the references, ref goes here, but then when I try to edit it out, it goes away. is there any way to fix this? If you figure out a way, I'd love to know. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 16:09, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

:That ref is caused by [[Template:Ph-C-Int]]. Remove that and the ref will disappear as well. You can't delete the ref without deleting the box. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 09:39, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson

2026-03-13T09:54:13Z

AnotherConsumerRightsPerson: seems like a pretty good idea

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Just another consumer rights person. Call me ACRP for short. I have been given the 'sysop' user right, so I can do some administrator tasks (e.g. delete pages, edit protected pages, etc). Also I'm not on the discord.

==Consumer rights facts==
* [[Happy Bar & Grill biometric surveillance tool development|Happy Bar & Grill has been making a biometric surveillance tool]].
==Things i do here==
I’ve created an ordered list for this.
#Creating and deleting redirects (creating now almost entirely replaced by moving pages)
#Stalking [[special:NewPages|NewPages]], [[special:RecentChanges|Recent changes]] and others
#Looking at random pages
#Stalking talk pages (User talk:, talk: project talk: etc)
#Doing general maintenance
#Working on categories
#Anything else that takes my fancy.
==My editcount==
[[File:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson's unedited editcount.png]]

==Why I edit (and you should too!)==
I edit simply because I want consumer rights issues to be documented, and this is a way to help ''a lot'' without even having to leave your house and touch grass.

You should edit because:
#You have more knowledge than you might think, and knowledge is '''definitely''' not required. For example, my [[Google password manager overrides third-party autofill]] article (which is albeit quite short) was made simply by looking at external sources, referencing them in the page and using them to add points. The same goes with everything else I make here.
#If you don't have time to write articles, a simple copyedit (fixing grammar) helps a lot with the CRW's professionalism.
==Silly things...==
===...that I've done===
*Creating the page [[Loll]] (and no, it wasn't vandalism, it was on accident to look at how a specific type of page was formatted to help out with another article). It got deleted in around 30mins.
*I've managed to roll back lots of edits accidentally.
===...that others have done===
[[Consumer_Rights_Wiki_talk:Moderators' noticeboard/Archive 5#Notice for mods|This thing]] really does speak for itself. This got repeated two other times (thankfully with a much quicker end result!)

==See also==

[https://www.youtube.com/@rossmanngroup King Louis Rossmann's YT channel][https://inv.nadeko.net/channel/UCl2mFZoRqjw_ELax4Yisf6w Invidious]

==Userboxes==
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User talk:Keith

2026-03-13T09:39:25Z

AnotherConsumerRightsPerson: /* Arbys article weird ref issue */ Reply

[[User:Alexa|Alexa]] ([[User talk:Alexa|talk]]) 16 May 2025

Hello @[[User:Keith|Keith]],

I'm interested in helping with the wiki, and specifically I have real world example, but would like to check if it's a good fit here or not.

And I can't talk in discord, as it's forcing me to submit my email.

Is this a good place to start conversation on adding new company, and fitness of the case.

Thank you.

∼∼∼∼

Hi @[[User:Alexa|Alexa]]!

No problem at all - go ahead and let me know what your thought is and I'll give you my thoughts on whether/how it fits on the wiki!

[[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 20:03, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

[[User:Alexa|Alexa]] ([[User talk:Alexa|talk]]) 06:36, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

@[[User:Keith|Keith]],

There is company in California that offers indoor skydiving, and obviously they have waiver to sign (with arbitration 😃), but it's not the issue I found there, but that part of that waiver is "consent" to "grant exclusive permission" to take photo/video, and use it in their promotional materials, and there is no way to sign the waiver without consenting to that photo/video permission, online form doesn't allow you to proceed. And even when we went to the place itself, staff said that "corporate doesn't allow them to print out forms to fill out, anymore, and all waivers need to be filled in online", means we can't opt out from that photo/video consent. So my kid ended up not taking that "flight", because we couldn't sign the waiver without consenting to photos.

Thank you.

[[User:Alexa|Alexa]] ([[User talk:Alexa|talk]]) 17 May 2025

@[[User:Alexa|Alexa]]

I think that fits the bill - although it's a smaller company, it fits within the frame of modern consumer protection and demonstrates how draconian the terms for even something like that can be.
Go for it! I'd probably say that this is a case where a company article can be created, and the TOS issue can be neatly summarised within it, as opposed to being a seperate incident article.

Edit: actually, I might have got ahead of myself - is this something which has been covered or discussed annywhere other than by yourself? If not, it may fall foul of the No Original Research rule, although a very basic page which basically just lays out the facts which can be established from their website and TOS, and does not provide any commentary beyond this, might be ok.

[[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 07:55, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

==Re: CAT Documentation==
[[User:Keith|@Keith]] I've replied to your message at [[User talk:Travis]]. Let me know if you'd like to discuss further approaches to organizing the documentation. [[User:Travis|Travis]] ([[User talk:Travis|talk]]) 14:43, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

==Delegating tasks==

Hello Keith,

You said at the meetup that you found it easy to delegate.

This interests me because when I was in business, I found it difficult delegate: did not believe people could not do a good enough job and I would be still responsible for the results.

Is this topic of interest to you?

∼∼∼∼

[[User:Janosabel|Janosabel]] ([[User talk:Janosabel|talk]]) 22:48, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

:I think that in the context of wikis or any kind of community project, one needs to be able to trust others to get anywhere (perhaps with some verification too at times).
:I'm under absolutely no illusion that I can do all or even much of this by myself, and we have some really talented and great people on the team!
:There's no way of achieving the results we'd want without spreading the workload and decision-making responsibility. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 09:33, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
::I understand what you mean.
::Just realised, I was speaking about me half a century ago; and not being able to trust delegees cost me a burnout. Without delegation even if imperfect, what must be done cannot be done.
::Unfortunately I cannot help by contributing to the Wiki for lack of academic training in the required writing style, but put on my talk page a witness account how supermarkets expanding to local areas are killing independent small traders.
::PS. What is the difference between <edit source> and using the <reply> button? [[User:Janosabel|Janosabel]] ([[User talk:Janosabel|talk]]) 20:05, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
:::I think the reply button just opens up a small window of the editor, and applies the signature to the message automatically? I'll have a look at what you mentioned, but I'm not sure it quite fits the theme of the Wiki, as we're keeping it focused on anti-consumer activities, rather than general issues with corporate behaviour.
:::And yes, I'll be careful on burnout! I want to avoid the combination of this and my day job driving me mad... [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 23:02, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

==Thanks and silly questions==

Hi Keith,

thanks for adding me to the confirmed users. Total newbie here, i have no idea how to properly contribute. I tried to start a discussion in the Category Leagislation Africa, not sure if it was posted.

Should i ask it directly here? or keep it in that category?

Mika, Madagascar. [[User:Mikadago|Mikadago]] ([[User talk:Mikadago|talk]]) 11:42, 16 August 2025 (UTC)

:I'm happy to reply there, though it will take a few mins to put together an answer and provide some guidance on where best to include the information [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 13:28, 16 August 2025 (UTC)

==Is the main Miku article ready to have the stub removed?==

[[Miku]]

I've been working on getting to Miku article to a better place, is there anything else you think I should add to it before the stub is removed? [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 01:20, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

:Happy to remove the incomplete notice as it's defeinitely better sourced now, but I think it might be s good idea for you to have a look at how the controversies/incidents section is laid out on the [[Netflix]] article, as the way it's done in the Miku article is a little strange, especially with the 'this article sumarizes' bits at the start of paragraphs
:In any case, thank you for the good work! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 08:46, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

==Why was my page deleted?==

I also see no notices or notifications in regard to this. I thought the whole point of this was for transparency? [[User:Slab Man|Slab Man]] ([[User talk:Slab Man|talk]]) 21:12, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

:From what I can tell you created the article with, other than the information from the form, just a couple of sentences containing an accusation without any citation or reference to support it. After around 12 hours, Mr Pollo added a deletion notice to the article, as there was virtually no information contained in the article. After a couple more days, as the article had not been edited or improved, it was deleted.
:I can't speak to the lack of notifications - usually whenever an article you've been involved in is edited, it will show up in your inbox in the top right of the screen. It's possible that the full deletion of the article resulted in it removing the notifications; I'm not exactly sure of how that interaction works [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 23:01, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
::Well I planned to add more details and citations when I had time. It can't be a draft/work in progress? You have to write everything in one go? [[User:Slab Man|Slab Man]] ([[User talk:Slab Man|talk]]) 04:44, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
:::The wiki generally expects an article to have at least a few references and all of the template parts at least partially filled in within the first few days of an article's creation. [[User:JamesTDG|JamesTDG]] ([[User talk:JamesTDG|talk]]) 05:59, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
:::I'll second what James said, and also add that it's possible to create draft pages within your user space. You do this by adding 'user:[yourname]/' to the start of the page name. This keeps it out of mainspace, meaning it is not searchable by the main search bar.
:::Currently this policy you've encountered is unwritten, so I'll add it to the moderator guidelines shortly. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 06:30, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
::::Noted. It would be great if there was a regular draft function like in almost every software. (So this doesn’t happen to other new users after their first contribution.) Honestly, after you deleted it, it felt like my contribution is unwanted. [[User:Slab Man|Slab Man]] ([[User talk:Slab Man|talk]]) 04:31, 21 August 2025 (UTC)
:::::That's fair enough - we should add some more text to the article creation flow which explains how user space works, how to make a draft article, and what the policy for handling new articles is. If you'd like, I can get the text from the deleted article and put it on your user talk page or something so you can pick it up from where you left off? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 10:37, 21 August 2025 (UTC)
::::::Thank you that would be great. Looking forward to helping out! [[User:Slab Man|Slab Man]] ([[User talk:Slab Man|talk]]) 18:32, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

==Interenet Archive stub notice seems badly placed==

Hi @[[User:Keith|Keith]], the stub notice on [[Internet Archive]] seems to be after the lead section and not before it. Can you please fix this? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:40, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

:Done! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 08:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

==Question about re-use of sources for LiveView Article==

Hey Keith,

I noticed that for the [[LiveView Technologies AI Surveillance]] article, the same source has been re-used multiple times but shows up with a different citation number. Namely the citations number 6,32, and 33 are duplicates of 4 (LVT Use Cases in Law Enforcement), 14 is a duplicate of 5 (AI-Driven Mobile Security for Every Threat), 35 is a duplicate of 8 (Fusion Centers), and 21 is a duplicate of 20 (Mobile cameras deployed at Monroe County Office Building amid security concerns)

Also the links are missing the archive URLs in the references and some don't have author first and last name or date where they are available on the site or the date is incorrect.

I have a version of the article which shrinks the list of references (citation 33 is now a re-use of citation 4 for that section for example) and also has the relevant archive links and names and dates for each reference where possible.

Should I commit the change? I know that this article may be looked at be people very soon and I'd rather get your approval to change it and have you ready to roll-back or append to it in case you don't like it. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 18:47, 26 August 2025 (UTC)

:I think I'm going to commit the change now, you're free to revert it or check it over in case I messed something up. In the event this article is mentioned at City hall on Thursday, I want it to be the best it can be.
:Thank you for helping with the wiki. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 19:03, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you! and yeah, if you notice small formating issues (especially with an article louis has been working on :P ) just go ahead and make the change - that's the way of the wiki! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:41, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
:::Small formatting issues or other non-obvious things like referencing problems* [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:41, 26 August 2025 (UTC)

==Proposal to add a section for organized meetings. (might be a better name for this)==

Hey Keith, I hope I'm not posting here again too early.

I thought about how every time Louis wants to generate interest for a particular issue with regards to getting viewers to organize, most of the time he has to do a video on it and these calls for organization when fighting for a particular issue (such as LVT tomorrow) are based in the United States.

I don't know if this already exists on the wiki (if it does, i'd like to know where it is), but do you think it would be a good idea to create a page specifically for posting the dates and instructions for showing up to demonstrations or hearings for the purposes of pushing back against anti-consumer or anti-privacy related issues? (This could be world-wide).

If someone from the UK for example wanted to organize a demonstration or have people speak at or attend an open council meeting, they would edit a row of a wiki table and list the time of the demonstration, an additional page describing the instructions or requirements to attend, and the issue that will be talked about (similar to rossmanngroup.com/clippyone).

I feel that with something like this, organizing both members of the public and members of the wiki regardless of country would be much easier and could provide a centralized and updated list of upcoming events based on user submission and moderator approval.

Let me know what you think about something like this when you're free to reply, I'd like to hear your thoughts in addition to anyone else who sees this and wants to talk about it. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 17:11, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

:It's definitely on the edge of what makes sense here, but I think that it's worth considering as it could well be useful. Might be something that will end up being done through FULU though in the end... maybe some kind of 'events noticeboard' a bit like the moderator notice could work? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 20:25, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
::An "events noticeboard" in the way you describe it with moderation is exactly what I was thinking. You're right about how it should be done through FULU directly instead of the wiki, that's a better idea.
::Thanks for your input, I appreciate it. I was just wondering if it was a completely off-the-wall idea. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 23:16, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

==BT article==

Hello Keith, remember [[BT's Digital Voice service in the UK isn't good for the Elderly|this article]]? I pinged you 16 days ago but it seems that it didn’t work and I’ve forgotten about it since. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 19:27, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

:Thanks for the reminder! as we were both in agreement, I removed the article. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 06:48, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

==Privacy notice change==

Hello Keith, I was looking through things in the Mediawiki namespace to see how backend works, when I noticed the [[Mediawiki:Footer-privacy-notice]] page and it reminded me of [[Talk:Main Page#stating "Recently updated" not particularly helpful|this on the main page]]. Can we change it quickly or does it need to be done backend? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:37, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

:We're going to do a policy update and a full review of that stuff when we update the backend tomorrow, so I'll make sure it's handled [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:01, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

==Protect Template:Welcome==

Hello, am contacting you directly as I think it is the best way to make this happen, but PLEASE protect Template:Welcome, I doubt we'll get vandalism on there but if we do and it sends a message with it we're done for... [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:06, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

:Oh, also can you make the bot substitute (make the template not change on that page even after it gets updated) the templates for the sake of preservation of the page? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:08, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks @[[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] for getting that first one!
::I think I get what you mean re. the substitution, but have no idea how to do it. Will look into it [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:30, 14 October 2025 (UTC)
:Done. Thanks for bringing it up! I'm not sure about your second question though, so I'll leave that to Keith. [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 18:26, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
::Second one is complicated, but the first one is the only important one. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:39, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

==Is it fine for me to get an alternate account?==

Edit: Have no clue why I'd need this in practice, so forget about it. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:33, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

:no worries. In answer to your question, as long as we're notified, and there are no sockpuppetry shenanigans, then the answer is yes. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:39, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

==Do you mind if I use AutoWikiBrowser on the CRW?==

Hello, I recently heard about a tool called [[wikipedia:WP:AWB|AutoWikiBrowser]] which is a semi-automated tool meant to help for repetitive smaller edits which I do a lot, do you mind if I use it and if you don't mind, should I use an alternate account for it (maybe with 'bot flag' even though it's not a bot so it doesn't show??) Edit: Also, the page to get this, [[Special:BotPasswords|BotPasswords]], lets you change grants for people/things with the password, so is it okay to let people/things with the password edit protected pages (for things like typo-fixing Project namespace pages)? It is risky if it is obtained.[[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:23, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

:Happy for you to use that! sounds like a great tool. No strong opinions on whetehr you make a separate account for it [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:11, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
::On the passwords front, I'm not sure how exactly that works. Does it give you the ability to use your own account via API? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:14, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
:::Yes, botpasswords is pretty much that. It lets you change permissions too, so I can give it only specific permissions for safety reasons. Also, as for the ‘seperate account thing’ Botpasswords (the one that I can use) gives me a new account anyway so there’s no reason for it, just me misunderstanding the usage. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 14:16, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
::::Cool, that sounds fine then! do you need me to do anything to get it set up? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:20, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::No, I’ll do it myself when I next get a chance on my PC (without any special perms as I don’t know why I’d need that!) [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 14:21, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

==Found Large Amount of 404 links for flock article==

Page link: [[Flock license plate readers]]

Hey Keith,

I was checking the sources in the above article and noticed that for a large section of it, the sources will lead directly to pages which either don't exist or result in 404. I really hope that this is just a problem on my end and isn't really the case. Below is the complete list of all sources I found that lead to 404'd pages. On the actual article page, I have also marked the following with the status of usurped for the time being.

{| class="wikitable"
|+
!Ref #

!Title

!Issue

!Archive state

!Link

|-
|20
|"How Vehicle Fingerprint Technology Works"
|404
|no archive
|
https://www.flocksafety.com/resources/how-vehicle-fingerprint-technology-works
|-
|21
|
"License Plate Surveillance Company Can Now Capture Images of Vehicle Occupants' Faces"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://www.404media.co/flock-safety-can-now-capture-faces-of-vehicle-occupants/
|-
|
22
|
"Transforming Flock: Beyond License Plate Reading to Deliver Greater Insights for Solving Crime"
|
404
|
no archive
|

https://www.flocksafety.com/newsroom/transforming-flock-beyond-license-plate-reading-to-deliver-greater-insights-for-solving-crime/
|-
|
24
|
"Atlas of Surveillance: Flock Safety"
|
goes to deeplinks blog, but no article
|
no archive
|
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/04/atlas-surveillance-flock-safety
|-
|
25
|
"Leaders of a Beautiful Struggle v. Baltimore Police Department"
|
404
|no archive
|

https://www.eff.org/cases/leaders-beautiful-struggle-v-baltimore-police-department
|-
|
26
|
"Carpenter and the Evolving Fourth Amendment"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://www.law.georgetown.edu/american-criminal-law-review/wp-content/uploads/sites/15/2023/01/60-1-Carpenter-and-the-Evolving-Fourth-Amendment.pdf
|-
|
27
|
"Leaders of a Beautiful Struggle v. Baltimore Police Department"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67689711/leaders-of-a-beautiful-struggle-v-baltimore-police-department/
|-
|28
|
"Illinois Compiled Statutes - Freedom from Drone Surveillance Act"
|
404
|
no archive
|

https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs3.asp?ActID=3541&ChapterID=53
|-
|
29
|
"RSA 236:130 Automated License Plate Recognition"
|
potential 404
|
no archive
|
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XXI/236/236-130.htm
|-
|
32
|
"Surveillance firm provided ICE access to license plate reader systems"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jul/15/flock-safety-ice-license-plate-reader
|-
|
33
|
"How Flock Safety is Building a Surveillance Network for ICE"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/03/flock-safety-and-ice
|-
|
34
|
"ICE Surveillance of Immigrants and Advocates"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://americanoversight.org/investigation/ice-surveillance-of-immigrants-and-advocates/
|-
|
35
|
"ACLU Obtains Records Showing ICE Using License Plate Readers in Sanctuary Cities"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://www.aclunc.org/news/aclu-obtains-records-showing-ice-using-license-plate-readers-sanctuary-cities
|-
|
36
|
"License Plate Readers Are Creating a US-Wide Database of More Than Just Cars"
|404
|no archive
|
https://www.vice.com/en/article/license-plate-readers-abortion-clinics-texas
|-
|37
|"Reproductive Surveillance in Post-Roe America"
|404
|no archive
|https://www.surveillancewatch.io/reproductive-surveillance-post-roe/
|-
|38
|"State Shield Laws and Reproductive Privacy"
|dead site
|no archive
|https://reproductiverights.gov/shield-laws/
|-
|39
|"Flock Safety Employees Caught Misusing Access to Surveillance Network"
|404
|no archive
|https://www.wired.com/story/flock-safety-employees-misuse-access/
|-
|40
|"Audit Reveals Hundreds of Flock Safety Privacy Violations"
|404
|no archive
|https://www.techdirt.com/2024/05/15/audit-reveals-hundreds-of-flock-safety-privacy-violations/
|-
|41
|"When License Plate Readers Become Tools for Stalking"
|404
|no archive
|https://apnews.com/article/license-plate-readers-police-misuse-stalking
|-
|42
|"Detroit Officer Fired for Using City Cameras to Track Ex-Wife"
|404
|no archive
|https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/detroit-city/2024/03/officer-fired-tracking-ex-wife/
|-
|43
|"Proactive Security Disclosure Q2 2025"
|404
|no archive
|https://www.flocksafety.com/blog/proactive-security-disclosure-q2-2025
|}
If you discover no issues (or the formatting of this table turns out horrible and breaks your talk page), disregard this and remove my topic from your page. And revert the change I made to the article where I marked the mentioned links as usurped.

Hopefully if these sites really lead to nothing and it's not just me, then the table makes it easy for you to do something. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 02:52, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

:Had a bit of a dig and my suspicion, expecially since these references are all next to each other, is that there was probably some AI chicanery in the making of the article.
:Seem to be poitentially based on real pages, e.g. this one:
:https://www.eff.org/document/fourth-circuit-ruling-leaders-beautiful-struggle-v-baltimore-police-department
:is probably meant to be #25 instead of what is currently there
:I'd recommend sticking this table on the Flock talk page (if you haven't already) and letting people know they might need to look for what these links are meant to be [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:19, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
::I went ahead and added the table to the discussion tab. Should there be a notice at the top of the Flock page to make people aware? Or leave it as is? [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 17:42, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
:::Nevermind about the notice. The references were small enough to not need them for the most part. I started working on fixing some of them [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 18:30, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

==Oversighted something==

Hello, Keith! I just wanted to let you know I just gave myself the 'suppressor' user right as I oversighted what I think could be your IP address for privacy reasons. The info is at [[Special:Diff/805]]. If it isn't your IP address, feel free to revert what I just did. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 11:32, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

:I think it might have been (though very good chance it was some temp VPN/mobile IP address). In any case, thank you for spotting it! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 12:09, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

==being able to edit Discussions==

hey so I just discovered I can edit discussions. not only mine but any1 elses. is this an oversight? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 20:23, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

:Not sure - might just be how wikis are (given that edit logs are public, it's pretty easy to combat anyone trying to abuse it, same as with article vandalism)
:I'll page in @[[User:UntoK|UntoK]] in case it's something that isn't how it should be [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 23:13, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
::Nah, that's MediaWiki. Nothing unusual there. Edit Source is actually the default way to edit discussions in MediaWiki, but the interface is changed by an extension (forgot the name), so that it shows as this instead of just the edit source button. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:37, 5 December 2025 (UTC)
:::dk y I didn't notice that b4. I've been on and off w contribs so thought smth changed since my last visit. anyhow thanks for clearing up the concern. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:00, 8 December 2025 (UTC)

=="fixing" recent changes==

since the introduction of [[Template:Welcome]], [[Special:RecentChanges]] has become a graveyard of User:Talks that I have to sift through in order to double check people's work. can we please block [[User:New_user_message]] from showing up on there?

edit: the bot bypasses the "Human (not bot) active filter
[[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 22:12, 26 December 2025 (UTC)

:yeah, that's a localsettings.php part that Keith can pass on to Unto. setting $wgNewUserSuppressRC to true should work. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:50, 1 January 2026 (UTC)
::as a temp fix, [https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Special:RecentChanges?hidebots=1&namespace=3&invert=1&limit=100&days=7&enhanced=1&urlversion=2 this] should work [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:54, 1 January 2026 (UTC)
:::legend. thank you [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 18:43, 1 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Hi @[[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] - took a bit of a break over the holidays so sorry for not replying. I'll contact Unto and see if he can take a look [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:12, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::Fair enough! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:49, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::any update? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 17:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I've put Unto on it but no update. I'll chase him [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:30, 13 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Darth Sidious says "do it". [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:36, 14 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::any update? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 23:08, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I think it's been fixed? I don't see New User Message clogging up the feed anymore [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:54, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I certainly remember that we tried to fix it, and I think it seemed to work [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:54, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::oh... I was using ACRP's temp fix so I did not realize and thought it was still broken lol [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:06, 1 March 2026 (UTC)

==*sigh*==

Where are the projects (again)? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:04, 19 January 2026 (UTC)

:deja vu? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 18:42, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
::[[Consumer_Rights_Wiki_talk:Moderators%27_noticeboard#*sigh*|oh]] [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 18:48, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
:::LOL, made me chuckle seeing your replies! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:55, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
::::hey as a wise man once said "if you are good at something, never do it for free". that'll be $5 my friend [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:05, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::yeah, replied on the noticeboard, but just adding here - I think an update must have broken it. have contacted Unto [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 01:07, 20 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] @[[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] Fixed! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:52, 20 January 2026 (UTC)

==sorry for the ping==

I used the intro text from [[Texas Attorney General sues multiple TV makers over ACR user data collection]] to add to the Incidents section for each of the mentioned companies. In the edit summary I linked you. Ik that @ and [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 22:33, 21 January 2026 (UTC) ping the user but idk abt linking. regardless sorry abt the pings

:th happened here? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 22:34, 21 January 2026 (UTC)
::No worries! I don't think @s in edit summaries cause pings anyway [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 22:37, 21 January 2026 (UTC)

==alternative to Discord==

I don't use Discord. many members of the wiki don't use Discord. can't talk on their behalf but I can mine. if there was a Matrix or heck Signal gc (lol), I'd love to be a part of it. are there any plans for migration off Discord or perhaps providing w an alternative they'd be more comfortable with? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:32, 23 January 2026 (UTC)

:We're hoping to get a Zulip bridge with the Discord in the next couple of months. This would allow people to essentially join the Discord without joining the Discord, with the exception of a couple of features like bot commands and voice channels. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 08:19, 24 January 2026 (UTC)
::lovely looking forward to it [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 09:44, 24 January 2026 (UTC)
:::is the Zulip bridge still under consideration following the impending age verification push in March? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 23:07, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
::::I've not heard of Zulip but it sounds like some sort of proxy? I'd prefer something like Matrix but that seems great too. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:44, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Zulip is a bit like a matrix/discord-y thing, and we'd use plugins to essentially crosspost everything that's sent to it to the discord and vice versa. It's still coming along but I've been crap and haven't got the server paid up yet. will try and do this next week and we can hopefully get it up shortly. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:45, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Just in case yous hadn't noticed it on the main page @[[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] @[[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]], we're moving our monthly hangout meetings from discord to zoom so as to include more of the community, and you're both welcome to join! first one is at 20:00 UTC tomorrow. if you pop me an email over to help@consumerrights.wiki, I'll send you the zoom link (son't want to posted publicly for obvious reasons) [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:50, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I've seen that, I'm not interested in joining though. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:21, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::oh I totally missed that. I'll shoot over an email and add it to my calendar but dk if I'll be able to join. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:09, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Apologies for not seeing this sooner - I'll send over a link just now! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:34, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Hi, any update on the Zulip bridge? Sorry for asking after such a short time but I'd really like to use it! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:24, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

==Can you help moving my page==

Sorry I said this 3 times or more, I got confused, can you move please, I moved it in wrong place, may I ask should I ask here instead of the pages I placed [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 21:23, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

:Thank you but should I create it in the user page just to clarify [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 21:34, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
::Don't want to be nuisance that all when doing my article [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 21:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I've replied on your user page - think it should be alright now? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 21:38, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
::::your user talk page* [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 21:38, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

==Adding categories==

Hello, please don't add categories in the visual editor as it doesn't work, instead simply type <code><nowiki>[[Category:CATEGORYNAME]]</nowiki></code> and replace CATEGORYNAME with the name of the category, otherwise it won't work. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:57, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:Apologies, thank you! I usually use source but I think there I just hit 'edit' by accident as was trying to set it up quickly. just so you know, I've replied to stefan's questions on the page he moved - thank you for moving the page he created! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 17:31, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

==Regarding a recent article I created==

Hello, Keith! I have finally decided to become a contributor here. The article I've been working on is [[Happy Bar & Grill Biometric Surveillance]]. However, when someone I've sent the link to opens it, they see the version that was last updated before I created my profile. What could be causing this? I apologise for any lack of knowledge on my part. [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 18:23, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:Unfortunately this is a problem with cloudflare's caching. If you wait a short while, or they log in, they should see the updated version. We've found a solution and will be shipping it with the next version of the wiki so that page edits are instantly reflected in cached versions of pages. Until then, it's just a case of waiting a while or logging in (logging in bypasses the cache as it needs to load user-specific elements). Great work on the article by the way! Just as a heads up, we're happy to have sources in non-english languages, so if you find any Bulgarian sources discussing it, those would be great to add to the article to demonstrate notability. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 18:42, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::Oops, apparently I was spreading misinformation on the internet regarding the exact reasons for it not being cached, but the gist is still the same, which is that logged-in users bypass the cache! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 18:48, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::Thank you for the swift reply and the explanation! It's so refreshing to see people working hard and helping others for a good cause. Also very happy to hear that you like how the article has turned out so far. I've extensively searched for any other sources regarding the issue, but found nothing. I guess someone has to start the discussion! :D
::Just to confirm: is the wiki English-only? I'd love to make the article more accessible to my compatriots, but I suppose I'll just tell them to use the automatic translation option on their browser. [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 21:05, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The wiki is english only yeah, for moderation purposes (we don't have a team that's reliably able to check the quality of non-english articles). if you wanted, though, we'd be happy for you to put a bulgarian version in your user space (i.e. the page lives at consumerrights.wiki/w/User:Juuns/[pagename]) - just make sure to put a note in english at the top so that none of the mods mistake it for a spam article! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 22:48, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Hey there, thanks for the advice! Is that alright? https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Iw/User:Juuns/%D0%91%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%BE_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BB%D1%8E%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%B2_Happy_Bar_%26_Grill_-_bg_translation_of_an_existing_article/&veaction=edit [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 08:35, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Yep! The URL looks cursed written out like that lol but it's in the right place [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:24, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Hello again, Keith!
::::::I and the small team I've created have made huge progress regarding the surveillance situation at Happy Bar and Dinner. We posted the wiki on the r/bulgaria subreddit, and it topped the daily chart in less than three hours. People are outraged.
::::::I've managed to contact an advocate from the opposition here who agreed to share the wiki on her Facebook page (over 10,000 followers). She also agreed to work with me to make the topic go viral and will send this to other human rights and anti-mafia activists in Bulgaria. We've planned to create several videos in various forms regarding the issue.
::::::I am writing with a big request that would be extremely beneficial to my cause and the wiki: Could you contact Louis Rossmann and share the wiki with him? Alternatively, you could connect him to me so I can tell him more about it.
::::::I understand this is a big request, but I would be very thankful for your help :) [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 18:43, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That's great! I've passed the info on, and will let you know the response
:::::::This is exactly how I've been hoping to see the wiki be used, so I'm really excited that it's getting picked up! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:20, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Hello again, Keith. Things are spreading like wildfire and are getting very heated. An official position from Happy Bar & Grill has been released. They are aggressively denying the claims, but their statement actually contains several contradictions that validate my research rather than disprove it.
::::::::In their official position, Happy Bar & Grill claims to have already notified the wiki's administrators (you and Rossmann, I suppose), issuing what they describe as a "categorical demand" for the removal of all alleged misinformation within a 24-hour ultimatum. Could you confirm if such a notice was received? A corporation issuing a 24-hour take-down ultimatum to an independent documentation project before any independent audit or regulatory investigation has taken place is simply outrageous.
::::::::Some of the main points I wanted to cover:
::::::::First, there is a major timeline discrepancy. Happy claims they received an offer from GI Mobility Services (linked to IP Biometrix? I cannot find any information about them, and other people have come up with nothing as well) in 2023 and officially rejected it on 14 December 2023. However, my archived evidence from IP Biometrix's portfolio shows a screenshot dated 9 November 2024—almost a year after they claim to have rejected the proposal. If they truly rejected the system in 2023, why does the vendor's portfolio display active implementation data from late 2024? Why was the article on their page until 2026? Also, there was an image displaying logos of partner companies still on IP Biometrix's page until 11 March 2026. They took that down just a few hours! This suggests either the system was further tested despite the rejection, or their timeline is fabricated to cover ongoing processing. My main hypothesis right now is that GI Mobility Services is the old version of IP Biometrix. IP Biometrix is a very new company, established at the end of 2023, just around the time of the implied rejected proposal.
::::::::Second, their statement completely omits any mention of "Burrata Italiana," despite it being owned by the same group. Is this supposed to be implied? My evidence specifically identifies the biometric dashboard screenshots as originating from the Burrata Italiana location in Varna.
::::::::Third, the article on Boulevard Bulgaria (one of the most shared articles regarding the topic), in my eyes, appears to be paid or ordered content, mirroring Happy's language almost verbatim without independent verification. It is even on their top page (archived here: https://web.archive.org/web/20260312235007/https://boulevardbulgaria.bg/). Meanwhile, they are attempting to discredit consumerrights.wiki by calling it an unverified anonymous wiki. THIS ATTACKS THE INTEGRITY OF THE WHOLE PLATFORM! I must stand firm that I am NOT spreading misinformation; I am documenting archived vendor evidence and public records. For the past couple of hours, I have made as many archives as possible for any news articles, blogs, and information regarding this.
::::::::They are trying to suppress the discussion before it has begun, but I believe it's too late. Many people have already shared this on social media and are also quite sceptical of Happy's response. A deeper dive into IP Biometrix as a whole is needed to check whether other companies also use such a system. They are very shady; they have many other "partners." They are the main issue. I will try to update the page with their denial as soon as possible, but contextualise it with these contradictions so readers see the full picture.
::::::::For your reference, here are some of the key articles circulating regarding this situation:
::::::::Post in r/bulgaria: Where it all started. After this thread was made, this issue gained massive traction in no time, featuring thousands of views and hundreds of comments from concerned citizens, topping the weekly chart in less than 24 hours: https://www.reddit.com/r/bulgaria/comments/1rqxn90/%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8_%D0%B7%D0%B0_%D1%81%D1%8A%D0%B1%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%B1%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%B8_%D0%B4%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B8_%D0%B2_%D1%85%D0%B5%D0%BF%D0%B8/
::::::::Boulevard Bulgaria: This article mirrors the official corporate release almost verbatim and lacks independent verification. It appears to be coordinated PR rather than journalism: https://boulevardbulgaria.bg/articles/happy-tvardeniyata-che-verigata-sledi-klientite-si-s-ai-kameri-sa-absolyutno-neverni
::::::::Mobile Bulgaria: General news coverage discussing the allegations and the company's response. https://mobilebulgaria.com/news/izpolzva-li-happy-bar-grill-litsevo-razpoznavane-s-ai-v-restorantite-si
::::::::Kaldata: Technical analysis and reporting on the AI camera systems in restaurants and the company's response. https://www.kaldata.com/it-%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B8/ai-%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8-%D0%B2-%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5-%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B0-%D0%B7%D0%B0-%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B7-650764.html
::::::::Other useful information:
::::::::IP Biometrix: Their current website shows no information or response regarding the events. https://ip-biometrix.com/
::::::::Confirmation that this is indeed "Burrata Italiana Varna" in Varna, Bulgaria: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Burrata+Italiana+Varna/@43.1962014,27.9154998,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m6!3m5!1s0x40a453f66ec877b1:0x1331c25a3c536926!8m2!3d43.1962014!4d27.9180747!16s%2Fg%2F11js3ffhz7?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI2MDMxMS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D; [[:File:AI Surveillance Dashboard.png]]
::::::::There are other outlets covering this as well, but these are the primary sources needed. I am disgusted by Happy's answer and Boulevard Bulgaria's PR-like article. Please inform Louis to check the email I've sent about this issue; I've formulated all the needed information there. I am furious. [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 01:15, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Crucial note: While the filename indicates November 2024, this date relies on the vendor's naming convention and cannot be forensically verified. Additionally, there is another screenshot in the article from that same date (Screenshot-2024-11-09-121619.png), which may indicate that the screenshots were made when the article was posted rather than during live operation." [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 02:27, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Unfortunately, I cannot dedicate unlimited time to maintaining and updating this page alone given the rapid developments. I would greatly appreciate any help regarding that. :) [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 02:34, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::yep, we've recieved it alright. I'm reworking the article a bit at the moment, to ensure that it's a bit more neutral, fits our editorial policies etc., and does not make any original claims beyond those contained in sources. My current understanding is that there is no evidence that the system has been deployed at scale, as such I'm moving/renaming the article and rewording some of the content.
:::::::::I'd appreciate if you could keep your bg translation up-to-date with the changes made to the english article (or find someone who is able to do so) to make sure that it's in-line as well. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 07:08, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

==Stub Pains==

Hey Keith,

I'm way out of my depth here with these stub notices, I added a stub to two new articles I made not realizing they would literally prevent my ability to add any text to the article.

links: [[AirPods Connection Vulnerability]] | [[AirPods Max Moisture Issue]]

When I attempt to make a change to the article, I was getting a stub deletion error. If I did something wrong, would you be able to explain what exactly happened with this so it doesn't happen again? [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 06:55, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

:(IN CASE YOU COULDN'T NOTICE, I'M NOT KEITH!) This is a common issue that users have had for a very long time now. If you edit anywhere before or on the line of the stub notice, something called the abuse filter says "nope, lol, nice try" and blocks the edit. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:18, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
::Should work now. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
:Ah, I think I did the same thing as ACRP, but the stub notices are now on their own line and not touching anything else, so there shouldn't be any further issues [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:30, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

==Publicising RfCs==

Hello, the RfCs you made haven't gotten any attention. Should we publicise them better? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:34, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

:Yeah, I'll set up some kind of hub that includes pages with the RfC category or something. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:23, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
::ok, I made a category for open and closed RfCs, transcluded them on a page, and linked to it from the policy index. idk if there's anywhere else it should be? I guess it's probably worth mentioning on some of the guide-y pages [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:44, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

==Arbys article weird ref issue==

[[Arby's]]

hey keith, when I look at the arby's article, it says in the references, ref goes here, but then when I try to edit it out, it goes away. is there any way to fix this? If you figure out a way, I'd love to know. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 16:09, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

:That ref is caused by [[Template:Ph-C-Int]]. Remove that and the ref will disappear as well. You can't delete the ref without deleting the box. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 09:39, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

Talk:BMW

2026-03-13T09:24:09Z

AnotherConsumerRightsPerson: /* adding multiple domains so that the extension can show articles even on other domains */ Reply

==adding multiple domains so that the extension can show articles even on other domains==

bmw.se swedish dns entry for bmw and i would want to show the extension pop up in that site too. how do i add multiple domains to the original page? [[User:Crwshegokar|Crwshegokar]] ([[User talk:Crwshegokar|talk]]) 08:50, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

:Add a space between different domains. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 09:24, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson/Sandbox

2026-03-13T09:22:46Z

AnotherConsumerRightsPerson: AnotherConsumerRightsPerson changed the content model of the page User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson/Sandbox from "JavaScript" to "wikitext": JakeL please forgive me for what I just did

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