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User talk:FluorescentGreen5

2025-03-16T08:31:35Z

FluorescentGreen5: /* Deep Cycle Systems logo */ Reply

While creating redirect pages can be helpful they should still adhere to the [[Mission statement]]'s] granny rule. That is the reason the page is named [[Retroactively amended purchase]]. Please don't create more pages with inappropriate titles. [[User:Kostas|Kostas]] ([[User talk:Kostas|talk]]) 12:33, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

:Understood. [[User:FluorescentGreen5|FluorescentGreen5]] ([[User talk:FluorescentGreen5|talk]]) 13:02, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

==you've been given perms!==

You should be able to post without captchas, and also post links [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:25, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

:Thank you! [[User:FluorescentGreen5|FluorescentGreen5]] ([[User talk:FluorescentGreen5|talk]]) 19:26, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

==Deep Cycle Systems logo==

If you still have the file for their [[:File:DeepCycleSystems.png|logo]], could you please upload a new version that includes the spots that were missed? The enclosed areas of the "D" and "P", and the lower area of the "M" are displaying a white background instead of transparency. -- [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 04:52, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

:I downloaded the logo image from their website (can't post links in user talk for some reason).
:I'll see if I can edit out the white spots. [[User:FluorescentGreen5|FluorescentGreen5]] ([[User talk:FluorescentGreen5|talk]]) 08:26, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
::Done. [[User:FluorescentGreen5|FluorescentGreen5]] ([[User talk:FluorescentGreen5|talk]]) 08:31, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

File:DeepCycleSystems.png

2025-03-16T08:31:12Z

FluorescentGreen5: FluorescentGreen5 uploaded a new version of File:DeepCycleSystems.png

[[Category:Logo]]

User talk:FluorescentGreen5

2025-03-16T08:26:40Z

FluorescentGreen5: /* Deep Cycle Systems logo */ Reply

Consumer Technology Association

2025-01-24T21:09:47Z

FluorescentGreen5:

{{StubNotice}}

{{InfoboxCompany
| Name = Consumer Protection Association
| Type = Trade Organization
| Founded = April 16, 1924; 100 years ago (as Radio Manufacturers Association)
1999 (as Consumer Electronics Association)
2015 (as Consumer Technology Association)
United States
| Industry = Electronics
| Official Website = https://www.cta.tech/
| Logo = Ctalogo.svg
}}The '''Consumer Technology Association (CTA)''' is a standard and [[wikipedia:Trade_organization|trade organization]].

Deep Cycle Systems

2025-01-24T12:21:16Z

FluorescentGreen5:

{{StubNotice}}

{{InfoboxCompany
| Name = Deep Cycle Systems
| Type = Private
| Founded = 2015, Tamborine Mountain, Australia
| Industry = Lithium Batteries
| Official Website = https://deepcyclesystems.com.au
| Logo = DeepCycleSystems.png
}}

:''This article is about the battery manufacturer. For other uses, see [[DCS (disambiguation)]].''

'''Deep Cycle Systems''' '''(DCS)''', founded in 2015, is an Australian company that specializes in the design and manufacture of lithium batteries and energy storage solutions.

==Claims==
DCS claims to manufacture long-life lithium batteries for extreme climates. They advertise them for use in solar systems and hybrid vehicles, including marines ones such as boats.


==Lawsuit==
On August 16, 2023, Australian YouTuber [https://www.youtube.com/@AlloffroadAu AlloffroadAu] uploaded a [https://youtu.be/vRcSPuBob-I review] on DCS' [https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/product/dcs-12v-50ah-lithium/ 12v 50ah LiFePo4 lithium battery], mentioning the short longevity and substantial decline in performance after preforming a capacity test. They also made a [https://youtu.be/vRcSPuBob-I followup video regarding DCS' questionable history]. Both videos were privated at first because of legal threats from DCS.


AlloffroadAu reports that 30–50% of the capacity is lost in the first several years. They also point out that DCS states that battery capacity will be significantly reduced after traveling a certain distance, but that they also don't mention this in their warranty policy.


===Hidden warranty policy update===
DCS' warranty policy claims that:

*For 'normal installations', batteries that fail to deliver 80% of its rated capacity are covered.
*For installations in engine bays/compartments, batteries that fail to deliver 70% of its rated capacity are covered.
*This policy was last updated June 14, 2021.


This has been the case since November 7, 2023 according to [https://trove.nla.gov.au/ Trove], a web archiving service ran by the [[wikipedia:National_Library_of_Australia|National Library of Australia]]. However, Trove shows that on March 9, 2023, the exception for installations in engine bays/compartments didn't exist, contradicting DCS's statement that their policy was last updated in 2021. 

The lack of the second criterion means that owners of a DCS battery purchased before March 9 2023 that:
*Was installed in an engine bay/compartment.
*Fell below 80% of its rated capacity.
*Remained above 70% of it.

would be eligible for warranty coverage, but would have no way of knowing because of the changes to DCS' public warranty policy.

The Trove archives can be found here:

*[https://webarchive.nla.gov.au/awa/20231107111343/https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/shipping-return-policy/ DCS Warranty Policy on November 7 2023]
*[https://webarchive.nla.gov.au/awa/20230309064156/https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/shipping-return-policy/ DCS Warranty Policy on March 9 2023]

========
====Alleged removal of Wayback Machine archives====
[https://web.archive.org/ Internet Archive's Wayback Machine] has archives of this policy page, but they are all dated in 2024. This is suspicious when considering:
*DCS falsely claims that their policy was last updated in 2021, when Trove's archives show it was actually updated in 2023, both years not being covered by the Wayback Machine.
*Louis Rossmann claims that consumers of DCS batteries have reached out to him, claiming that they were no longer able to access many older archives of the policy page when they contacted DCS asking when their policy was updated.


This would suggest that DCS was behind the removal of archives before 2024.
[[Category:Articles under development]]
[[Category:Battery manufacturers]]

Consumer Technology Association

2025-01-23T12:17:01Z

FluorescentGreen5:

{{StubNotice}}

The '''Consumer Technology Association (CTA)''' is a standard and [[wikipedia:Trade_organization|trade organization]].

{{InfoboxCompany
| Name = Consumer Protection Association
| Type = Trade Organization
| Founded = April 16, 1924; 100 years ago (as Radio Manufacturers Association)
1999 (as Consumer Electronics Association)
2015 (as Consumer Technology Association)
United States
| Industry = Electronics
| Official Website = https://www.cta.tech/
| Logo = Ctalogo.svg
}}

File:CTA logo.svg

2025-01-23T12:16:17Z

FluorescentGreen5:

Deep Cycle Systems

2025-01-23T11:37:38Z

FluorescentGreen5:

{{StubNotice}}

{{InfoboxCompany
| Name = Deep Cycle Systems
| Type = Private
| Founded = 2015, Tamborine Mountain, Australia
| Industry = Lithium Batteries
| Official Website = https://deepcyclesystems.com.au
| Logo = DeepCycleSystems.png
}}

:''This article is about the battery manufacturer. For other uses, see [[DCS (disambiguation)]].''

'''Deep Cycle Systems''' (DCS), founded in 2015, is an Australian company that specializes in the design and manufacture of lithium batteries and energy storage solutions.

==Claims==
DCS claims to manufacture long-life lithium batteries for extreme climates. They advertise them for use in solar systems and hybrid vehicles, including marines ones such as boats.



==Lawsuit==
On August 16, 2023, Australian YouTuber [https://www.youtube.com/@AlloffroadAu AlloffroadAu] uploaded a review on DCS' [https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/product/dcs-12v-50ah-lithium/ 12v 50ah LiFePo4 lithium battery], mentioning the short longevity and substantial decline in performance after preforming a capacity test. Their review was privated at first because of legal threats from DCS''when?''.




AlloffroadAu reports that 30–50% of the capacity is lost in the first several years. They also point out that DCS states that battery capacity will be significantly reduced after traveling a certain distance, but that they also don't mention this in their warranty policy.



===Hidden warranty policy update===
DCS' warranty policy claims that:

*For 'normal installations', batteries that fail to deliver 80% of its rated capacity are covered.
*For installations in engine bays/compartments, batteries that fail to deliver 70% of its rated capacity are covered.
*This policy was last updated June 14, 2021.



This has been the case since November 7, 2023 according to [https://trove.nla.gov.au/ Trove], a web archiving service ran by the [[wikipedia:National_Library_of_Australia|National Library of Australia]]. However, Trove shows that on March 9, 2023, the exception for installations in engine bays/compartments didn't exist, contradicting DCS's statement that their policy was last updated in 2021.

The lack of the second criterion means that owners of a DCS battery purchased before March 9 2023 that: 

*Was installed in an engine bay/compartment.
*Fell below 80% of its rated capacity.
*Remained above 70% of it.

would be eligible for warranty coverage, but would have no way of knowing because of the changes to DCS' public warranty policy.

The Trove archives can be found here:

*[https://webarchive.nla.gov.au/awa/20231107111343/https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/shipping-return-policy/ DCS Warranty Policy on November 7 2023]
*[https://webarchive.nla.gov.au/awa/20230309064156/https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/shipping-return-policy/ DCS Warranty Policy on March 9 2023]

========
====Alleged removal of Wayback Machine archives====
[https://web.archive.org/ Internet Archive's Wayback Machine] has archives of this policy page, but they are all dated in 2024. This is suspicious when considering:
*DCS falsely claims that their policy was last updated in 2021, when Trove's archives show it was actually updated in 2023, both years not being covered by the Wayback Machine.
*Louis Rossmann claims that consumers of DCS batteries have reached out to him, claiming that they were no longer able to access many older archives of the policy page when they contacted DCS asking when their policy was updated.



This would suggest that DCS was behind the removal of archives before 2024.
[[Category:Articles under development]]
[[Category:Companies]]
[[Category:Battery manufacturers]]

CTA

2025-01-23T11:34:57Z

FluorescentGreen5: Redirected page to Consumer Technology Association

#REDIRECT [[Consumer Technology Association]]

Consumer Technology Association

2025-01-23T11:29:23Z

FluorescentGreen5: Created page with "{{StubNotice}} The '''Consumer Technology Association (CTA)''' is a standard and trade organization. {{InfoboxCompany | Name = Consumer Protection Association | Type = Trade Organization | Founded = April 16, 1924; 100 years ago (as Radio Manufacturers Association) 1999 (as Consumer Electronics Association) 2015 (as Consumer Technology Association) United States | Industry = Electronics | Official Website = https://www.cta.tech/ | Logo..."

{{StubNotice}}

The '''Consumer Technology Association (CTA)''' is a standard and [[wikipedia:Trade_organization|trade organization]].

{{InfoboxCompany
| Name = Consumer Protection Association
| Type = Trade Organization
| Founded = April 16, 1924; 100 years ago (as Radio Manufacturers Association)
1999 (as Consumer Electronics Association)
2015 (as Consumer Technology Association)
United States
| Industry = Electronics
| Official Website = https://www.cta.tech/
| Logo = QuestionMark.svg
}}

Deep Cycle Systems

2025-01-23T11:28:24Z

FluorescentGreen5:

{{StubNotice}}

{{InfoboxCompany
| Name = Deep Cycle Systems
| Type = Private
| Founded = 2015, Tamborine Mountain, Australia
| Industry = Lithium Batteries
| Official Website = https://deepcyclesystems.com.au
| Logo = DeepCycleSystems.png
}}

:''This article is about the battery manufacturer. For other uses, see [[DCS (disambiguation)]].''

'''Deep Cycle Systems''' (DCS), founded in 2015, is an Australian company that specializes in the design and manufacture of lithium batteries and energy storage solutions.

==Claims==
DCS claims to manufacture long-life lithium batteries for extreme climates. They advertise them for use in solar systems and hybrid vehicles, including marines ones such as boats.



==Lawsuit==
On August 16, 2023, Australian YouTuber [https://www.youtube.com/@AlloffroadAu AlloffroadAu] uploaded a review on DCS' [https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/product/dcs-12v-50ah-lithium/ 12v 50ah LiFePo4 lithium battery], mentioning the short longevity and substantial decline in performance after preforming a capacity test. Their review was privated at first because of legal threats from DCS''when?''.




AlloffroadAu reports that 30–50% of the capacity is lost in the first several years. They also point out that DCS states that battery capacity will be significantly reduced after traveling a certain distance, but that they also don't mention this in their warranty policy.



===Hidden warranty policy update===
DCS' warranty policy claims that:

*For 'normal installations', batteries that fail to deliver 80% of its rated capacity are covered.
*For installations in engine bays/compartments, batteries that fail to deliver 70% of its rated capacity are covered.
*This policy was last updated June 14, 2021.



This has been the case since November 7, 2023 according to [https://trove.nla.gov.au/ Trove], a web archiving service ran by the [[wikipedia:National_Library_of_Australia|National Library of Australia]]. However, Trove shows that on March 9, 2023, the exception for installations in engine bays/compartments didn't exist, contradicting DCS's statement that their policy was last updated in 2021.

The lack of the second criterion means that owners of a DCS battery purchased before March 9 2023 that: 

*Was installed in an engine bay/compartment.
*Fell below 80% of its rated capacity.
*Remained above 70% of it.

would be eligible for warranty coverage, but would have no way of knowing because of the changes to DCS' public warranty policy.

The Trove archives can be found here:

*[https://webarchive.nla.gov.au/awa/20231107111343/https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/shipping-return-policy/ DCS Warranty Policy on November 7 2023]
*[https://webarchive.nla.gov.au/awa/20230309064156/https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/shipping-return-policy/ DCS Warranty Policy on March 9 2023]

========
====Alleged removal of Wayback Machine archives====
[https://web.archive.org/ Internet Archive's Wayback Machine] has archives of this policy page, but they are all dated in 2024. This is suspicious when considering:
*DCS falsely claims that their policy was last updated in 2021, when Trove's archives show it was actually updated in 2023, both years not being covered by the Wayback Machine.
*Louis Rossmann claims that consumers of DCS batteries have reached out to him, claiming that they were no longer able to access many older archives of the policy page when they contacted DCS asking when their policy was updated.



This would suggest that DCS was behind the removal of archives before 2024.
[[Category:Articles under development]]
[[Category:Companies]]

File:DeepCycleSystems.png

2025-01-23T11:27:33Z

FluorescentGreen5: FluorescentGreen5 moved page File:Dcs.png to File:DeepCycleSystems.png without leaving a redirect: DCS can refer to dCS Audio as well.

Deep Cycle Systems

2025-01-23T10:55:08Z

FluorescentGreen5:

{{StubNotice}}

{{InfoboxCompany
| Name = Deep Cycle Systems
| Type = Private
| Founded = 2015
| Industry = Information Technology
| Official Website = https://deepcyclesystems.com.au
| Logo = Dcs.png
}}

:''This article is about the battery manufacturer. For other uses, see [[DCS (disambiguation)]].''

'''Deep Cycle Systems''' (DCS), founded in 2015, is an Australian company that specializes in the design and manufacture of lithium batteries and energy storage solutions.
==Claims==
DCS claims to manufacture long-life lithium batteries for extreme climates. They advertise them for use in solar systems and hybrid vehicles, including marines ones such as boats.



==Lawsuit==
On August 16, 2023, Australian YouTuber [https://www.youtube.com/@AlloffroadAu AlloffroadAu] uploaded a review on DCS' [https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/product/dcs-12v-50ah-lithium/ 12v 50ah LiFePo4 lithium battery], mentioning the short longevity and substantial decline in performance after preforming a capacity test. Their review was privated at first because of legal threats from DCS''when?''.




AlloffroadAu reports that 30–50% of the capacity is lost in the first several years. They also point out that DCS states that battery capacity will be significantly reduced after traveling a certain distance, but that they also don't mention this in their warranty policy.



===Hidden warranty policy update===
DCS' warranty policy claims that:

*For 'normal installations', batteries that fail to deliver 80% of its rated capacity are covered.
*For installations in engine bays/compartments, batteries that fail to deliver 70% of its rated capacity are covered.
*This policy was last updated June 14, 2021.



This has been the case since November 7, 2023 according to [https://trove.nla.gov.au/ Trove], a web archiving service ran by the [[wikipedia:National_Library_of_Australia|National Library of Australia]]. However, Trove shows that on March 9, 2023, the exception for installations in engine bays/compartments didn't exist, contradicting DCS's statement that their policy was last updated in 2021.

The lack of the second criterion means that owners of a DCS battery purchased before March 9 2023 that: 

*Was installed in an engine bay/compartment.
*Fell below 80% of its rated capacity.
*Remained above 70% of it.

would be eligible for warranty coverage, but would have no way of knowing because of the changes to DCS' public warranty policy.

The Trove archives can be found here:

*[https://webarchive.nla.gov.au/awa/20231107111343/https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/shipping-return-policy/ DCS Warranty Policy on November 7 2023]
*[https://webarchive.nla.gov.au/awa/20230309064156/https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/shipping-return-policy/ DCS Warranty Policy on March 9 2023]

========
====Alleged removal of Wayback Machine archives====
[https://web.archive.org/ Internet Archive's Wayback Machine] has archives of this policy page, but they are all dated in 2024. This is suspicious when considering:
*DCS falsely claims that their policy was last updated in 2021, when Trove's archives show it was actually updated in 2023, both years not being covered by the Wayback Machine.
*Louis Rossmann claims that consumers of DCS batteries have reached out to him, claiming that they were no longer able to access many older archives of the policy page when they contacted DCS asking when their policy was updated.



This would suggest that DCS was behind the removal of archives before 2024.
[[Category:Articles under development]]
[[Category:Companies]]

Deep Cycle Systems

2025-01-23T07:18:09Z

FluorescentGreen5:

{{StubNotice}}

{{InfoboxCompany
| Name = Deep Cycle Systems
| Type = Private
| Founded = 2015
| Industry = Information Technology
| Official Website = https://deepcyclesystems.com.au/
| Logo = Dcs.png
}}

:''This article is about the battery manufacturer. For other uses, see [[DCS (disambiguation)]].''

Deep Cycle Systems (DCS), founded in 2015, is an Australian company that specializes in the design and manufacture of lithium batteries and energy storage solutions.
==Claims==
DCS claims to manufacture long-life lithium batteries for extreme climates. They advertise them for use in solar systems and hybrid vehicles, including marines ones such as boats.



==Lawsuit==
On August 16, 2023, Australian YouTuber [https://www.youtube.com/@AlloffroadAu AlloffroadAu] uploaded a review on DCS' [https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/product/dcs-12v-50ah-lithium/ 12v 50ah LiFePo4 lithium battery], mentioning the short longevity and substantial decline in performance after preforming a capacity test. Their review was privated at first due to legal threats from DCS''when?''.




AlloffroadAu reports that 30–50% of the capacity is lost in the first several years. They also point out that DCS states that battery capacity will be significantly reduced after traveling a certain distance, but that they also don't mention this in their warranty policy.



===Hidden warranty policy update===
DCS' warranty policy claims that:

*For normal installations, batteries that fail to deliver 80% of its rated capacity are covered.
*For installations in engine bays/compartments, batteries that fail to deliver 70% of its rated capacity are covered.
*This policy was last updated June 14 2021.



This has been the case since November 7 2023 according to [https://trove.nla.gov.au/ Trove], a web archiving service ran by the [[wikipedia:National_Library_of_Australia|National Library of Australia]]. However, Trove shows that on March 9 2023, the exception for installations in engine bays/compartments didn't exist, contradicting DCS's statement that their policy was last updated in 2021.

The lack of the second criterion means that owners of a DCS battery purchased before March 9 2023 that: 

*Was installed in an engine bay/compartment.
*Fell below 80% of its rated capacity.
*Remained above 70% of it.

would be eligible for warranty coverage, but would have no way of knowing because of the changes to DCS' public warranty policy.

The Trove archives can be found here:

*[https://webarchive.nla.gov.au/awa/20231107111343/https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/shipping-return-policy/ DCS Warranty Policy on November 7 2023]
*[https://webarchive.nla.gov.au/awa/20230309064156/https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/shipping-return-policy/ DCS Warranty Policy on March 9 2023]

========
====Alleged removal of Wayback Machine archives====
[https://web.archive.org/ Internet Archive's Wayback Machine] has archives of this policy page, but they're all dated in 2024. This is suspicious when considering:
*DCS falsely claims that their policy was last updated in 2021, when Trove's archives show it was actually updated in 2023, both years not being covered by the Wayback Machine.
*Louis Rossmann claims that consumers of DCS batteries have reached out to him, claiming that they were no longer able to access many older archives of the policy page when they contacted DCS asking when their policy was updated.



This would suggest that DCS was behind the removal of archives before 2024.
[[Category:Articles under development]]
[[Category:Companies]]

Deep Cycle Systems

2025-01-23T07:16:00Z

FluorescentGreen5:

{{StubNotice}}

{{InfoboxCompany
| Name = Deep Cycle Systems
| Type = Private
| Founded = 2015
| Industry = Information Technology
| Official Website = https://deepcyclesystems.com.au/
| Logo = Dcs.png
}}

:''This article is about the battery manufacturer. For other uses, see [[DCS (disambiguation)]].''

Deep Cycle Systems (DCS), founded in 2015, is an Australian company that specializes in the design and manufacture of lithium batteries and energy storage solutions.
==Claims==
DCS claims to manufacture long-life lithium batteries for extreme climates. They advertise them for use in solar systems and hybrid vehicles, including marines ones such as boats.



==Lawsuit==
On August 16, 2023, Australian YouTuber [https://www.youtube.com/@AlloffroadAu AlloffroadAu] uploaded a review on DCS' [https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/product/dcs-12v-50ah-lithium/ 12v 50ah LiFePo4 lithium battery], mentioning the short longevity and substantial decline in performance after preforming a capacity test. Their review was privated at first due to legal threats from DCS''when?''.




AlloffroadAu reports that 30–50% of the capacity is lost in the first several years. They also point out that DCS states that battery capacity will be significantly reduced after traveling a certain distance, but that they also don't mention this in their warranty policy.



===Hidden policy update===
DCS' warranty policy claims that:

*For normal installations, batteries that fail to deliver 80% of its rated capacity are covered.
*For installations in engine bays/compartments, batteries that fail to deliver 70% of its rated capacity are covered.
*This policy was last updated June 14 2021.



This has been the case since November 7 2023 according to [https://trove.nla.gov.au/ Trove], a web archiving service ran by the [[wikipedia:National_Library_of_Australia|National Library of Australia]]. However, Trove shows that on March 9 2023, the exception for installations in engine bays/compartments didn't exist, contradicting DCS's statement that their policy was last updated in 2021.

The lack of the second criterion means that owners of a DCS battery purchased before March 9 2023 that: 

*Was installed in an engine bay/compartment.
*Fell below 80% of its rated capacity.
*Remained above 70% of it.

would be eligible for warranty coverage, but would have no way of knowing because of the changes to DCS' public warranty policy.

The Trove archives can be found here:

*[https://webarchive.nla.gov.au/awa/20231107111343/https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/shipping-return-policy/ DCS Warranty Policy on November 7 2023]
*[https://webarchive.nla.gov.au/awa/20230309064156/https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/shipping-return-policy/ DCS Warranty Policy on March 9 2023]

====  Alleged removal of Wayback Machine archives ====
[https://web.archive.org/ Internet Archive's Wayback Machine] has archives of this policy page, but they're all dated in 2024. This is suspicious when considering:
*DCS falsely claims that their policy was last updated in 2021, when Trove's archives show it was actually updated in 2023, both years not being covered by the Wayback Machine.
*Louis Rossmann claims that consumers of DCS batteries have reached out to him, claiming that they were no longer able to access many older archives of the policy page when they contacted DCS asking when their policy was updated.



This would suggest that DCS was behind the removal of archives before 2024.
[[Category:Articles under development]]
[[Category:Companies]]

Deep Cycle Systems

2025-01-22T20:12:48Z

FluorescentGreen5:

{{StubNotice}}

{{InfoboxCompany
| Name = Deep Cycle Systems
| Type = Private
| Founded = 2015
| Industry = Information Technology
| Official Website = https://deepcyclesystems.com.au/
| Logo = Dcs.png
}}

:''This article is about the battery manufacturer. For other uses, see [[DCS (disambiguation)]].''

Deep Cycle Systems (DCS), founded in 2015, is an Australian company that specializes in the design and manufacture of lithium batteries and energy storage solutions.
==Claims==
DCS claims to manufacture long-life lithium batteries for extreme climates. They advertise them for use in solar systems and hybrid vehicles, including marines ones such as boats.



==Lawsuit==
On August 16, 2023, Australian YouTuber [https://www.youtube.com/@AlloffroadAu AlloffroadAu] uploaded a review on DCS' [https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/product/dcs-12v-50ah-lithium/ 12v 50ah LiFePo4 lithium battery], mentioning the short longevity and substantial decline in performance after preforming a capacity test. Their review was privated due to legal threats from DCS''when?''.



AlloffroadAu reports that 30-50% of the capacity is lost in the first several years. They also point out that DCS states that battery capacity will be significantly reduced after traveling a certain distance, but that they also don't mention this in their warranty policy.



===Hidden Policy Update===
DCS' warranty policy claims that:

*For normal installations, batteries that fail to deliver 80% of its rated capacity are covered.
*For installations in engine bays/compartments, batteries that fail to deliver 70% of its rated capacity are covered.
*This policy was last updated June 14 2021.



This has been the case since November 7 2023 according to [https://trove.nla.gov.au/ Trove], a web archiving service ran by the [[wikipedia:National_Library_of_Australia|National Library of Australia]]. However, Trove shows that on March 9 2023, the exception for installations in engine bays/compartments didn't exist, showing that DCS lied about the policy being last updated in 2021, when it was clearly updated in 2023. The lack of the second criterion means that owners of a DCS battery purchased before March 9 2023 that: 

*Was installed in an engine bay/compartment.
*Fell below 80% of it's rated capacity.
*Remained above 70% of it.

would be eligible for warranty coverage, but would have no way of knowing because of DCS' shady behavior.

The Trove archives can be found here:

*[https://webarchive.nla.gov.au/awa/20231107111343/https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/shipping-return-policy/ DCS Warranty Policy on November 7 2023]
*[https://webarchive.nla.gov.au/awa/20230309064156/https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/shipping-return-policy/ DCS Warranty Policy on March 9 2023]



[https://web.archive.org/ Internet Archive's Wayback Machine] has archives of this policy page, but they're all dated in 2024. This is suspicious when considering:

*DCS falsely claims that their policy was last updated in 2021, when Trove's archives show it was actually updated in 2023, both years not being covered by the Wayback Machine.
*Louis Rossmann claims that consumers of DCS batteries have reach out to him, claiming that they were no longer able to access many older archives of the policy page when they contacted DCS to ask when their policy updated.



This would suggest that DCS was behind the removal of archives before 2024.
[[Category:Articles under development]]
[[Category:Companies]]

Deep Cycle Systems

2025-01-22T19:49:18Z

FluorescentGreen5: Replaced Logo

{{StubNotice}}

{{InfoboxCompany
| Name = Deep Cycle Systems
| Type = Private
| Founded = 2015
| Industry = Information Technology
| Official Website = https://deepcyclesystems.com.au/
| Logo = Dcs.png
}}

:''This article is about the battery manufacturer. For other uses, see [[DCS (disambiguation)]].''

Deep Cycle Systems (DCS), founded in 2015, is an Australian company that specializes in the design and manufacture of lithium batteries and energy storage solutions.
==Claims==
DCS claims to manufacture long-life lithium batteries for extreme climates. They advertise them for use in solar systems and hybrid vehicles, including marines ones such as boats.



==Lawsuit==
On August 16, 2023, Australian YouTuber [https://www.youtube.com/@AlloffroadAu AlloffroadAu] uploaded a review on DCS' [https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/product/dcs-12v-50ah-lithium/ 12v 50ah LiFePo4 lithium battery], mentioning the short longevity and substantial decline in performance after preforming a capacity test. Their review was privated due to legal threats from DCS''when?''.



AlloffroadAu reports that 30-50% of the capacity is lost in the first several years. They also point out that DCS states that battery capacity will be significantly reduced after traveling a certain distance, but that they also don't mention this in their warranty policy.



===Hidden Policy Update===
DCS' warranty policy claims that:

*For normal installations, batteries that fail to deliver 80% of its rated capacity are covered.
*For installations in engine bays/compartments, batteries that fail to deliver 70% of its rated capacity are covered.
*This policy was last updated June 14 2021.



This has been the case since November 7 2023 according to Trove, a web archiving service ran by the National Library of Australia. However, Trove shows that on March 9 2023, the exception for installations in engine bays/compartments didn't exist, showing that DCS lied about the policy being last updated in 2021, when it was clearly updated in 2023. The lack of the second criterion means that owners of a DCS battery purchased before March 9 2023 that: 

*Was installed in an engine bay/compartment.
*Fell below 80% of it's rated capacity.
*Remained above 70% of it.

would be eligible for warranty coverage, but would have no way of knowing because of DCS' shady behavior.

The Trove archives can be found here:

*[https://webarchive.nla.gov.au/awa/20231107111343/https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/shipping-return-policy/ DCS Warranty Policy on November 7 2023]
*[https://webarchive.nla.gov.au/awa/20230309064156/https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/shipping-return-policy/ DCS Warranty Policy on March 9 2023]



[https://web.archive.org/ Internet Archive's Wayback Machine] has archives of this policy page, but they're all dated in 2024. This is suspicious when considering:

*DCS falsely claims that their policy was last updated in 2021, when Trove's archives show it was actually updated in 2023, both years not being covered by the Wayback Machine.
*Louis Rossmann claims that consumers of DCS batteries have reach out to him, claiming that they were no longer able to access many older archives of the policy page when they contacted DCS to ask when their policy updated.



This would suggest that DCS was behind the removal of archives before 2024.
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2025-01-22T19:48:18Z

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Deep Cycle Systems

2025-01-22T19:25:49Z

FluorescentGreen5:

{{StubNotice}}

{{InfoboxCompany
| Name = Deep Cycle Systems
| Type = Private
| Founded = 2015
| Industry = Information Technology
| Official Website = https://deepcyclesystems.com.au/
| Logo = DCS USA BLACK.webp
}}

:''This article is about the battery manufacturer. For other uses, see [[DCS (disambiguation)]].''

Deep Cycle Systems (DCS), founded in 2015, is an Australian company that specializes in the design and manufacture of lithium batteries and energy storage solutions.



==Claims==
DCS claims to manufacture long-life lithium batteries for extreme climates. They advertise them for use in solar systems and hybrid vehicles, including marines ones such as boats.



==Lawsuit==
On August 16, 2023, Australian YouTuber [https://www.youtube.com/@AlloffroadAu AlloffroadAu] uploaded a review on DCS' [https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/product/dcs-12v-50ah-lithium/ 12v 50ah LiFePo4 lithium battery], mentioning the short longevity and substantial decline in performance after preforming a capacity test. Their review was privated due to legal threats from DCS''when?''.



AlloffroadAu reports that 30-50% of the capacity is lost in the first several years. They also point out that DCS states that battery capacity will be significantly reduced after traveling a certain distance, but that they also don't mention this in their warranty policy.



===Hidden Policy Update===
DCS' warranty policy claims that:

*For normal installations, batteries that fail to deliver 80% of its rated capacity are covered.
*For installations in engine bays/compartments, batteries that fail to deliver 70% of its rated capacity are covered.
*This policy was last updated June 14 2021.



This has been the case since November 7 2023 according to Trove, a web archiving service ran by the National Library of Australia. However, Trove shows that on March 9 2023, the exception for installations in engine bays/compartments didn't exist, showing that DCS lied about the policy being last updated in 2021, when it was clearly updated in 2023. The lack of the second criterion means that owners of a DCS battery purchased before March 9 2023 that: 

*Was installed in an engine bay/compartment.
*Fell below 80% of it's rated capacity.
*Remained above 70% of it.

would be eligible for warranty coverage, but would have no way of knowing because of DCS' shady behavior.

The Trove archives can be found here:

*[https://webarchive.nla.gov.au/awa/20231107111343/https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/shipping-return-policy/ DCS Warranty Policy on November 7 2023]
*[https://webarchive.nla.gov.au/awa/20230309064156/https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/shipping-return-policy/ DCS Warranty Policy on March 9 2023]



[https://web.archive.org/ Internet Archive's Wayback Machine] has archives of this policy page, but they're all dated in 2024. This is suspicious when considering:

*DCS falsely claims that their policy was last updated in 2021, when Trove's archives show it was actually updated in 2023, both years not being covered by the Wayback Machine.
*Louis Rossmann claims that consumers of DCS batteries have reach out to him, claiming that they were no longer able to access many older archives of the policy page when they contacted DCS to ask when their policy updated.



This would suggest that DCS was behind the removal of archives before 2024.
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Deep Cycle Systems

2025-01-22T19:13:42Z

FluorescentGreen5: Lots of content added based on "DCS sues Small YouTuber for accurate product review showing battery issues & misleading warranty" (can't put link due to spam filter)

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{{InfoboxCompany
| Name = Deep Cycle Systems
| Type = Private
| Founded = 2015
| Industry = Information Technology
| Official Website = https://deepcyclesystems.com.au/
| Logo = DCS USA BLACK.webp
}}

:''This article is about the battery manufacturer. For other uses, see [[DCS (disambiguation)]].''

Deep Cycle Systems (DCS), founded in 2015, is an Australian company that specializes in the design and manufacture of lithium batteries and energy storage solutions.

== Claims ==
DCS claims to manufacture long-life lithium batteries for extreme climates. They advertise them for use in solar systems and hybrid vehicles, including marines ones such as boats.

==Lawsuit==
On August 16, 2023, Australian YouTuber [https://www.youtube.com/@AlloffroadAu AlloffroadAu] uploaded a review on DCS' [https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/product/dcs-12v-50ah-lithium/ 12v 50ah LiFePo4 lithium battery], mentioning the short longevity and substantial decline in performance after preforming a capacity test. Their review was privated due to legal threats from DCS''when?''.


AlloffroadAu reports that 30-50% of the capacity is lost in the first several years. They also point out that DCS states that battery capacity will be significantly reduced after traveling a certain distance, but that they also don't mention this in their warranty policy.

=== Hidden Policy Update ===
DCS' warranty policy claims that:

* For normal installations, batteries that fail to deliver 80% of its rated capacity are covered.
* For installations in engine bays/compartments, batteries that fail to deliver 70% of its rated capacity are covered.
* This policy was last updated June 14 2021.

This has been the case since November 7 2023 according to Trove, a web archiving service ran by the National Library of Australia. However, Trove shows that on March 9 2023, the exception for installations in engine bays/compartments didn't exist, showing that DCS lied about the policy being last updated in 2021, when it was clearly updated in 2023. The lack of the second criterion means that owners of a DCS battery purchased before March 9 2023 that:

* Was installed in an engine bay/compartment.
* Fell below 80% of it's rated capacity.
* Remained above 70% of it.

would be eligible for warranty coverage, but would have no way of knowing because of DCS' shady behavior.

The Trove archives can be found here:

* [https://webarchive.nla.gov.au/awa/20231107111343/https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/shipping-return-policy/ DCS Warranty Policy on November 7 2023]
* [https://webarchive.nla.gov.au/awa/20230309064156/https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/shipping-return-policy/ DCS Warranty Policy on March 9 2023]

[https://web.archive.org/ Internet Archive's Wayback Machine] has archives of this policy page, but they're all dated in 2024. This is suspicious when considering:

* DCS falsely claims that their policy was last updated in 2021, when Trove's archives show it was actually updated in 2023, both years not being covered by the Wayback Machine.
* Louis Rossmann claims that consumers of DCS batteries have reach out to him, claiming that they were no longer able to access many older archives of the policy page when they contacted DCS to ask when their policy updated.

This would suggest that DCS was behind the removal of archives before 2024.
[[Category:Articles under development]]
[[Category:Companies]]

Consumer Rights Wiki:AI Summaries & Transcriptions

2025-01-22T17:20:06Z

FluorescentGreen5:

There are currently two sets of AI Summaries and Transcripts:

1. Made by [[User: Keith|Keith]] 

*https://discord.com/channels/1324835844812443810/1324849434445484153/1325118555003289682
*Direct Link: [https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1324849434445484153/1325118554428801105/processed.zip?ex=67925b52&is=679109d2&hm=97c6a85f518905d4e7b8267b701ea7afbf30e1fd290b122c7de805817ef3f44e& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1324849434445484153/1325118554428801105/processed.zip]

*Downloadable as a ZIP
*XML Format
*Navigable by Video Title
2. Made by [[User: Nathanriley|Nathanriley]] + Possible Community Involvement

https://github.com/Nathan-D-R/Youtube-Transcript-Summary 

*Preformatted for MediaWiki
*Navigable by Creator and Upload Date
*Uses Ollama for summary generation

[[Category: CAT]]

Consumer Rights Wiki:AI Summaries & Transcriptions

2025-01-22T17:16:49Z

FluorescentGreen5:

There are currently two sets of AI Summaries and Transcripts:

1. Made by [[User: Keith|Keith]] 

* https://discord.com/channels/1324835844812443810/1324849434445484153/1325118555003289682
* Direct Link: [https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1324849434445484153/1325118554428801105/processed.zip?ex=67925b52&is=679109d2&hm=97c6a85f518905d4e7b8267b701ea7afbf30e1fd290b122c7de805817ef3f44e& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1324849434445484153/1325118554428801105/processed.zip]

*Downloadable as a ZIP
*XML Format
*Navigable by Video Title
2. Made by [[User: Nathanriley|Nathanriley]] + Possible Community Involvement

https://github.com/Nathan-D-R/Youtube-Transcript-Summary 

*Preformatted for MediaWiki
*Navigable by Creator and Upload Date
*Uses Ollama for summary generation

[[Category: CAT]]

Deep Cycle Systems

2025-01-22T16:51:50Z

FluorescentGreen5:

Deep Cycle Systems

2025-01-22T16:50:52Z

FluorescentGreen5:

{{StubNotice}}

{{InfoboxCompany
| Name = Deep Cycle Systems
| Type = Private
| Founded = 2015
| Industry = Information Technology
| Official Website = https://deepcyclesystems.com.au/
| Logo = DCS USA BLACK.webp
}}

:''This article is about the audio system manufacturer. For the the battery manufacturer, see [[Deep Cycle Systems]]. For other uses, see [[DCS (disambiguation)]].''

Deep Cycle Systems (DCS), founded in 2015, is an Australian company that specializes in the design and manufacture of lithium batteries and energy storage solutions.

==Lawsuit==
On August 16, 2023, YouTuber [https://www.youtube.com/@AlloffroadAu AlloffroadAu] uploaded a review on DCS' [https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/product/dcs-12v-50ah-lithium/ 12v 50ah LiFePo4 lithium battery], mentioning the short longevity and substantial decline in performance after preforming a capacity test.

[[Category:Articles under development]]
[[Category:Companies]]

Deep Cycle Systems

2025-01-22T16:49:24Z

FluorescentGreen5:

{{StubNotice}}

{{InfoboxCompany
| Name = Deep Cycle Systems
| Type = Private
| Founded = 2015
| Industry = Information Technology
| Official Website = https://deepcyclesystems.com.au/
| Logo = DCS USA BLACK.webp
}}

: This article is about the audio system manufacturer. For the the battery manufacturer, see [[Deep Cycle Systems]]. For other uses, see [[DCS (disambiguation)]].

Deep Cycle Systems (DCS), founded in 2015, is an Australian company that specializes in the design and manufacture of lithium batteries and energy storage solutions.

==Lawsuit==
On August 16, 2023, YouTuber [https://www.youtube.com/@AlloffroadAu AlloffroadAu] uploaded a review on DCS' [https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/product/dcs-12v-50ah-lithium/ 12v 50ah LiFePo4 lithium battery], mentioning the short longevity and substantial decline in performance after preforming a capacity test.

[[Category:Articles under development]]
[[Category:Companies]]

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