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Talk:Guide - Windows 10 end of support

2025-11-09T14:29:13Z

Hugo9655: Fix

== Suggestion: Delete this guide, replace it with a link to an external one ==

I have my doubts about most of the information presented in this guide, some of which I know either isnt exactly accurate, not useful to users reading this, or simply incorrect.

A few that stood out:
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"It is still possible to use Windows 10 and still receive updates for the next years, however that is only possible for the LTSC versions of the operating system"
Last half is incorrect, ESU updates for GAC users are available.}}
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"The LTSC versions of Windows 10 don't support Apps, like the Windows Store and any other app that you would install from the Windows store, among other restrictions."
They do. You can install MS store using one command and install appx packages using [https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9nblggh4nns1 App Installer].}}
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"The script can be found in this GitHub repository; additional information for using the script can be found there."
Not exactly wrong, but theres no need to use a third-party script to in-place upgrade from GAC to LTSC.}}
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"Windows likes to reinstall system components that were once uninstalled by the user, during the upgrade process, like for example Windows Defender."
Why would you uninstall Defender?}}
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"Product keys are one way"
Dont suggest buying cheap keys from shady grey-markets. This is bad for many reasons. You can activate for free, and safely.}}
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"If you have any nerd friends, you could ask them for methods."
Nice gatekeeping, but historically Microsoft has not really cared at all about these methods.}}

I propose removing this guide entirely and replacing it with a link to a much better [https://massgrave.dev/windows10_eol external guide by MAS] for the following reasons:

1. Its constantly updated, covers much more than this guide, and is useful.

2. Less doubt about the credibility of the info presented, its written by people with actual knowledge.

3. Generally it just doesnt make sense (to me at least) to maintain a separate guide when something like this exists.

It doesnt really make sense to have an entire page for just this one link, so it could be listed somewhere else on the other Windows pages. [[User:Hugo9655|Hugo9655]] ([[User talk:Hugo9655|talk]]) 14:28, 9 November 2025 (UTC)

Talk:Guide - Windows 10 end of support

2025-11-09T14:28:58Z

Hugo9655: /* Suggestion: Delete this guide, replace it with a link to an external one */ new section

== ==

== Suggestion: Delete this guide, replace it with a link to an external one ==

I have my doubts about most of the information presented in this guide, some of which I know either isnt exactly accurate, not useful to users reading this, or simply incorrect.

A few that stood out:
{{Quote|
"It is still possible to use Windows 10 and still receive updates for the next years, however that is only possible for the LTSC versions of the operating system"
Last half is incorrect, ESU updates for GAC users are available.}}
{{Quote|
"The LTSC versions of Windows 10 don't support Apps, like the Windows Store and any other app that you would install from the Windows store, among other restrictions."
They do. You can install MS store using one command and install appx packages using [https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9nblggh4nns1 App Installer].}}
{{Quote|
"The script can be found in this GitHub repository; additional information for using the script can be found there."
Not exactly wrong, but theres no need to use a third-party script to in-place upgrade from GAC to LTSC.}}
{{Quote|
"Windows likes to reinstall system components that were once uninstalled by the user, during the upgrade process, like for example Windows Defender."
Why would you uninstall Defender?}}
{{Quote|
"Product keys are one way"
Dont suggest buying cheap keys from shady grey-markets. This is bad for many reasons. You can activate for free, and safely.}}
{{Quote|
"If you have any nerd friends, you could ask them for methods."
Nice gatekeeping, but historically Microsoft has not really cared at all about these methods.}}

I propose removing this guide entirely and replacing it with a link to a much better [https://massgrave.dev/windows10_eol external guide by MAS] for the following reasons:

1. Its constantly updated, covers much more than this guide, and is useful.

2. Less doubt about the credibility of the info presented, its written by people with actual knowledge.

3. Generally it just doesnt make sense (to me at least) to maintain a separate guide when something like this exists.

It doesnt really make sense to have an entire page for just this one link, so it could be listed somewhere else on the other Windows pages. [[User:Hugo9655|Hugo9655]] ([[User talk:Hugo9655|talk]]) 14:28, 9 November 2025 (UTC)

Talk:Guide - Windows 10 end of support

2025-11-09T14:13:17Z

Hugo9655: undo

== ==

Talk:Guide - Windows 10 end of support

2025-11-09T14:12:38Z

Hugo9655: /* Suggestion: Delete this guide, replace it with a link to an external one */ new section

== Suggestion: Delete this guide, replace it with a link to an external one ==

{{Quote|
"It is still possible to use Windows 10 and still receive updates for the next years, however that is only possible for the LTSC versions of the operating system"
Last half is incorrect, ESU updates for GAC users are available.}}
{{Quote|
The LTSC versions of Windows 10 don't support Apps, like the Windows Store and any other app that you would install from the Windows store, among other restrictions.
They do. You can install MS store using one command and install appx packages using [https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9nblggh4nns1 App Installer].}}
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2025-11-08T19:43:12Z

Hugo9655: Formatting mistake

=== Ad & tracking blockers ===
* [https://pi-hole.net/ Pi-hole] – Self-hosted network-based ad blocker.
* [https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock uBlock Origin] – Efficient browser-based ad and tracker blocker.

=== Anti-scam resources ===
* [https://haveibeenpwned.com/ Have I Been Pwned] – Check if your email/password was exposed in a breach.
* [https://www.consumerfinance.gov/ CFPB] – File complaints and view alerts about financial services.
* [https://virustotal.com/ VirusTotal] / [https://hybrid-analysis.com Hybrid Analysis] – Scan files for potential malware.
* [https://tria.ge/ Triage] – Online sandbox for analyzing executables.

=== Archival tools ===
*[https://archive.org Wayback Machine] – World’s largest internet archival service
*[https://archive.today archive.today] – Smaller internet archival service for unsupported IA websites (e.g: Twitter/X (frontends only), Facebook, Reddit, Paywalled Articles)
*[https://www.getsinglefile.com/ SingleFile] – Browser extension to save website EULA/privacy policy as html locally
*[http://archivebox.io/ ArchiveBox] – Self-hosted website archival tool

=== Corporate accountability & recalls ===
* [https://www.bbb.org/ Better Business Bureau (BBB)] – Lookup business complaints and file your own.
* [https://www.saferproducts.gov/ SaferProducts.gov] – U.S. product recall and complaint site.
* [https://www.fda.gov/safety/recalls-market-withdrawals-safety-alerts FDA Recalls] – Drug and food recall database.

=== Legal & complaint filing ===
* [https://www.consumerreports.org/ Consumer Reports] – Independent product reviews and ratings.
* [https://www.ripoffreport.com/ Ripoff Report] – Public consumer complaint database.
* [https://www.classaction.org/ ClassAction.org] – View or join consumer class-action lawsuits.

=== Repair & Open designs ===
* [https://www.ifixit.com iFixit] – Open repository of device repair instructions.
* [https://www.opensourceecology.org/gvcs/gvcs-machine-index/ Open Source Ecology] – Open source machinery designs.

=== Price & product transparency ===
* [https://camelcamelcamel.com/ CamelCamelCamel] – Amazon price tracker to detect deceptive price drops.
* [https://keepa.com/ Keepa] – Detailed price history and deals on Amazon products.
* [http://truestar.pro/ TrueStar] – Analyzes Amazon reviews for manipulation. '''[Subscription needed]'''

=== Privacy & surveillance tools ===
* [https://simpleoptout.com/ SimpleOptOut] – Direct links to opt out of data brokers.
**[https://easyoptouts.com/ EasyOptOuts] – Automated data broker opt-out service. '''[Subscription needed]'''

=== Subscription & dark pattern tracking ===
* [https://www.asktrim.com/ Trim] – Finds and cancels unwanted subscriptions.
* [https://goodbudget.com Goodbudget] – Budgeting app with debt tracker. '''[Subscription needed]'''
* [https://tosdr.org/ Terms of Service; Didn’t Read] / [https://privacyspy.org/ PrivacySpy] – Summarizes privacy policies and rates companies by trustworthiness.
* [https://www.deceptive.design/ Deceptive Design] – Defines, identifies, and catalogs dark patterns and deceptive design practices in various software and services.
* [https://www.darkpattern.games/ Dark Pattern Games] – A game review website devoted to helping you find games that don't use psychological tricks to manipulate you into becoming an addicted gamer.

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2025-11-08T19:42:07Z

Hugo9655: Added Triage and corrected file scanner tag. (includes remaining edits I forgot)

=== Ad & tracking blockers ===
* [https://pi-hole.net/ Pi-hole] – Self-hosted network-based ad blocker.
* [https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock uBlock Origin] – Efficient browser-based ad and tracker blocker.

=== Anti-scam resources ===
* [https://haveibeenpwned.com/ Have I Been Pwned] – Check if your email/password was exposed in a breach.
* [https://www.consumerfinance.gov/ CFPB] – File complaints and view alerts about financial services.
* [https://virustotal.com/ VirusTotal] / [https://hybrid-analysis.com Hybrid Analysis] – Scan files for potential malware.
* [https://tria.ge/ Triage] – Online sandbox for analyzing executables.

=== Archival tools ===
*[https://archive.org Wayback Machine] – World’s largest internet archival service
*[https://archive.today archive.today] – Smaller internet archival service for unsupported IA websites (e.g: Twitter/X (frontends only), Facebook, Reddit, Paywalled Articles)
*[https://www.getsinglefile.com/ SingleFile] – Browser extension to save website EULA/privacy policy as html locally
*[http://archivebox.io/ ArchiveBox] – Self-hosted website archival tool

=== Corporate accountability & recalls ===
* [https://www.bbb.org/ Better Business Bureau (BBB)] – Lookup business complaints and file your own.
* [https://www.saferproducts.gov/ SaferProducts.gov] – U.S. product recall and complaint site.
* [https://www.fda.gov/safety/recalls-market-withdrawals-safety-alerts FDA Recalls] – Drug and food recall database.

=== Legal & complaint filing ===
* [https://www.consumerreports.org/ Consumer Reports] – Independent product reviews and ratings.
* [https://www.ripoffreport.com/ Ripoff Report] – Public consumer complaint database.
* [https://www.classaction.org/ ClassAction.org] – View or join consumer class-action lawsuits.

=== Repair & Open designs ===
* [https://www.ifixit.com iFixit] – Open repository of device repair instructions.
* [https://www.opensourceecology.org/gvcs/gvcs-machine-index/ Open Source Ecology] – Open source machinery designs.

=== Price & product transparency ===
* [https://camelcamelcamel.com/ CamelCamelCamel] – Amazon price tracker to detect deceptive price drops.
* [https://keepa.com/ Keepa] – Detailed price history and deals on Amazon products.
* [http://truestar.pro/ TrueStar] – Analyzes Amazon reviews for manipulation. '''[Subscription needed]'''

=== Privacy & surveillance tools ===
* [https://simpleoptout.com/ SimpleOptOut] – Direct links to opt out of data brokers.
**[https://easyoptouts.com/ EasyOptOuts] – Automated data broker opt-out service. '''[Subscription needed]'''

=== Subscription & dark pattern tracking ===
* [https://www.asktrim.com/ Trim] – Finds and cancels unwanted subscriptions.
* [https://goodbudget.com Goodbudget] – Budgeting app with debt tracker. '''[Subscription needed]'''
* [https://tosdr.org/ Terms of Service; Didn’t Read] – Summarizes privacy policies and rates companies by trustworthiness.
** [https://privacyspy.org/ PrivacySpy] – Alternative to ToS;DR.
* [https://www.deceptive.design/ Deceptive Design] – Defines, identifies, and catalogs dark patterns and deceptive design practices in various software and services.
* [https://www.darkpattern.games/ Dark Pattern Games] – A game review website devoted to helping you find games that don't use psychological tricks to manipulate you into becoming an addicted gamer.

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2025-11-08T19:22:04Z

Hugo9655: Applied changes based on this discussion: https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Template_talk:Main_Page/Consumer_Tools

=== Ad & tracking blockers ===
* [https://pi-hole.net/ Pi-hole] – Self-hosted network-based ad blocker.
* [https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock uBlock Origin] – Efficient browser-based ad and tracker blocker.

=== Anti-scam resources ===
* [https://haveibeenpwned.com/ Have I Been Pwned] – Check if your email/password was exposed in a breach.
* [https://www.consumerfinance.gov/ CFPB] – File complaints and view alerts about financial services.
* [https://virustotal.com/ VirusTotal]/[https://hybrid-analysis.com Hybryd Analysis] – Scan files and websites for malware.

=== Archival tools ===
*[https://archive.org Wayback Machine] – World’s largest internet archival service
*[https://archive.today archive.today] – Smaller internet archival service for unsupported IA websites (e.g: Twitter/X (frontends only), Facebook, Reddit, Paywalled Articles)
*[https://www.getsinglefile.com/ SingleFile] – Browser extension to save website EULA/privacy policy as html locally
*[http://archivebox.io/ ArchiveBox] – Self-hosted website archival tool

=== Corporate accountability & recalls ===
* [https://www.bbb.org/ Better Business Bureau (BBB)] – Lookup business complaints and file your own.
* [https://www.saferproducts.gov/ SaferProducts.gov] – U.S. product recall and complaint site.
* [https://www.fda.gov/safety/recalls-market-withdrawals-safety-alerts FDA Recalls] – Drug and food recall database.

=== Legal & complaint filing ===
* [https://www.consumerreports.org/ Consumer Reports] – Independent product reviews and ratings.
* [https://www.ripoffreport.com/ Ripoff Report] – Public consumer complaint database.
* [https://www.classaction.org/ ClassAction.org] – View or join consumer class-action lawsuits.

=== Repair & Open designs ===
* [https://www.ifixit.com iFixit] – Open repository of device repair instructions.
* [https://www.opensourceecology.org/gvcs/gvcs-machine-index/ Open Source Ecology] – Open source machinery designs.

=== Price & product transparency ===
* [https://camelcamelcamel.com/ CamelCamelCamel] – Amazon price tracker to detect deceptive price drops.
* [https://keepa.com/ Keepa] – Detailed price history and deals on Amazon products.
* [http://truestar.pro/ TrueStar] – Analyzes Amazon reviews for manipulation. '''[Subscription needed]'''

=== Privacy & surveillance tools ===
* [https://simpleoptout.com/ SimpleOptOut] – Direct links to opt out of data brokers.
**[https://easyoptouts.com/ EasyOptOuts] – Automated data broker opt-out service. '''[Subscription needed]'''

=== Subscription & dark pattern tracking ===
* [https://www.asktrim.com/ Trim] – Finds and cancels unwanted subscriptions.
* [https://goodbudget.com Goodbudget] – Budgeting app with debt tracker. '''[Subscription needed]'''
* [https://tosdr.org/ Terms of Service; Didn’t Read] – Summarizes privacy policies and rates companies by trustworthiness.
** [https://privacyspy.org/ PrivacySpy] – Alternative to ToS;DR.
* [https://www.deceptive.design/ Deceptive Design] – Defines, identifies, and catalogs dark patterns and deceptive design practices in various software and services.
* [https://www.darkpattern.games/ Dark Pattern Games] – A game review website devoted to helping you find games that don't use psychological tricks to manipulate you into becoming an addicted gamer.

Template:Main Page/Consumer Tools

2025-11-08T19:12:02Z

Hugo9655: Undo revision, accidentally clicked save 30145 by Hugo9655 (talk)

=== Ad & tracking blockers ===
* [https://pi-hole.net/ Pi-hole] – Self-hosted network-based ad blocker.
* [https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock uBlock Origin] – Efficient browser-based ad and tracker blocker.
* [https://codeberg.org/nobody/LocalCDN LocalCDN] – Replaces third-party CDNs with local resources to block trackers.

=== Anti-scam resources ===
* [https://haveibeenpwned.com/ Have I Been Pwned] – Check if your email/password was exposed in a breach.
* [https://www.consumerfinance.gov/ CFPB] – File complaints and view alerts about financial services.
* [https://www.scamadviser.com/ ScamAdviser] – Analyze websites for trustworthiness.
* [https://virustotal.com/ VirusTotal]/[https://hybrid-analysis.com Hybryd Analysis] – Scan files and websites for malware.

=== Archival tools ===
*[https://archive.org Wayback Machine] - World’s largest internet archival service
*[https://archive.today archive.today] - Smaller internet archival service for excluded websites (ex: Twitter/X, Facebook)
*[https://www.getsinglefile.com/ SingleFile] - Browser extension to save website EULA/privacy policy as html locally
*[http://archivebox.io/ ArchiveBox] - Self-hosted website archival tool

=== Corporate accountability & recalls ===
* [https://www.bbb.org/ Better Business Bureau (BBB)] – Lookup business complaints and file your own.
* [https://www.saferproducts.gov/ SaferProducts.gov] – U.S. product recall and complaint site.
* [https://www.fda.gov/safety/recalls-market-withdrawals-safety-alerts FDA Recalls] – Drug and food recall database.

=== Legal & complaint filing ===
* [https://www.consumerreports.org/ Consumer Reports] – Independent product reviews and ratings.
* [https://www.ripoffreport.com/ Ripoff Report] – Public consumer complaint database.
* [https://www.classaction.org/ ClassAction.org] – View or join consumer class-action lawsuits.

=== Repair & Open designs ===
* [https://www.ifixit.com iFixit] – Open repository of device repair instructions.
* [https://www.opensourceecology.org/gvcs/gvcs-machine-index/ Open Source Ecology] – Open source machinery designs.

=== Price & product transparency ===
* [https://camelcamelcamel.com/ CamelCamelCamel] – Amazon price tracker to detect deceptive price drops.
* [https://keepa.com/ Keepa] – Detailed price history and deals on Amazon products.
* [http://truestar.pro/ TrueStar] – Analyzes Amazon reviews for manipulation. '''[Subscription needed]'''

=== Privacy & surveillance tools ===
* [https://simpleoptout.com/ SimpleOptOut] – Direct links to opt out of data brokers.
**[https://easyoptouts.com/ EasyOptOuts] – Automated data broker opt-out service. '''[Subscription needed]'''

=== Subscription & dark pattern tracking ===
* [https://www.asktrim.com/ Trim] – Finds and cancels unwanted subscriptions.
* [https://goodbudget.com Goodbudget] – Budgeting app with debt tracker. '''[Subscription needed]'''
* [https://tosdr.org/ Terms of Service; Didn’t Read] – Summarizes privacy policies and rates companies by trustworthiness.
* [https://www.deceptive.design/ Deceptive Design] – Defines, identifies, and catalogs dark patterns and deceptive design practices in various software and services.
* [https://www.darkpattern.games/ Dark Pattern Games] – A game review website devoted to helping you find games that don't use psychological tricks to manipulate you into becoming an addicted gamer.

Template:Main Page/Consumer Tools

2025-11-08T19:11:05Z

Hugo9655: Applied changes based on this

=== Ad & tracking blockers ===
* [https://pi-hole.net/ Pi-hole] – Self-hosted network-based ad blocker.
* [https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock uBlock Origin] – Efficient browser-based ad and tracker blocker.

=== Anti-scam resources ===
* [https://haveibeenpwned.com/ Have I Been Pwned] – Check if your email/password was exposed in a breach.
* [https://www.consumerfinance.gov/ CFPB] – File complaints and view alerts about financial services.
* [https://virustotal.com/ VirusTotal]/[https://hybrid-analysis.com Hybryd Analysis] – Scan files and websites for malware.

=== Archival tools ===
*[https://archive.org Wayback Machine] – World’s largest internet archival service
*[https://archive.today archive.today] – Smaller internet archival service for unsupported IA websites (e.g: Twitter/X (frontends only), Facebook, Reddit, Paywalled Articles)
*[https://www.getsinglefile.com/ SingleFile] – Browser extension to save website EULA/privacy policy as html locally
*[http://archivebox.io/ ArchiveBox] – Self-hosted website archival tool

=== Corporate accountability & recalls ===
* [https://www.bbb.org/ Better Business Bureau (BBB)] – Lookup business complaints and file your own.
* [https://www.saferproducts.gov/ SaferProducts.gov] – U.S. product recall and complaint site.
* [https://www.fda.gov/safety/recalls-market-withdrawals-safety-alerts FDA Recalls] – Drug and food recall database.

=== Legal & complaint filing ===
* [https://www.consumerreports.org/ Consumer Reports] – Independent product reviews and ratings.
* [https://www.ripoffreport.com/ Ripoff Report] – Public consumer complaint database.
* [https://www.classaction.org/ ClassAction.org] – View or join consumer class-action lawsuits.

=== Repair & Open designs ===
* [https://www.ifixit.com iFixit] – Open repository of device repair instructions.
* [https://www.opensourceecology.org/gvcs/gvcs-machine-index/ Open Source Ecology] – Open source machinery designs.

=== Price & product transparency ===
* [https://camelcamelcamel.com/ CamelCamelCamel] – Amazon price tracker to detect deceptive price drops.
* [https://keepa.com/ Keepa] – Detailed price history and deals on Amazon products.
* [http://truestar.pro/ TrueStar] – Analyzes Amazon reviews for manipulation. '''[Subscription needed]'''

=== Privacy & surveillance tools ===
* [https://simpleoptout.com/ SimpleOptOut] – Direct links to opt out of data brokers.
**[https://easyoptouts.com/ EasyOptOuts] – Automated data broker opt-out service. '''[Subscription needed]'''

=== Subscription & dark pattern tracking ===
* [https://www.asktrim.com/ Trim] – Finds and cancels unwanted subscriptions.
* [https://goodbudget.com Goodbudget] – Budgeting app with debt tracker. '''[Subscription needed]'''
* [https://tosdr.org/ Terms of Service; Didn’t Read] – Summarizes privacy policies and rates companies by trustworthiness.
** [https://privacyspy.org/ PrivacySpy] –
* [https://www.deceptive.design/ Deceptive Design] – Defines, identifies, and catalogs dark patterns and deceptive design practices in various software and services.
* [https://www.darkpattern.games/ Dark Pattern Games] – A game review website devoted to helping you find games that don't use psychological tricks to manipulate you into becoming an addicted gamer.

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2025-11-08T18:58:46Z

Hugo9655: /* Multiple improvements */ Reply

==Multiple improvements==

I noticed this list seems to be pretty outdated. I thought of several changes that could improve this list:

#LocalCDN is [https://github.com/arkenfox/user.js/wiki/4.1-Extensions/#-dont-bother useless] according to arkenfox dev (fingerprinting expert).
#Remove https://www.scamadviser.com/ - another one of those useless sites for determining safety. So many false positives. The highlights it produces have so much room for error, they arent accurate measurements of risk. Its more effective to report actual scams/badware sites to uAssets so it can be blocked for everyone using it.
#Include Triage, preferrably in front of VT, as it tends to be better. Also remove the mention of using these to scan websites. Scanning websites proves nothing and is useless for determining safety. Sticking to uBO badware lists and trusted sites in several established online wikis is the way to go.
#For archive.today, the examples used are outdated, and the use of the word "excluded" isnt really meaningful. archive.today cant archive new twitter threads, but its good for reddit, and is especially useful for paywalled articles from many sites. Could be changed to "... Smaller internet archival service for unsupported IA websites (e.g: Reddit, Paywalled Articles, Facebook)". Facebook is only partially working (cant use image carousel, cant expand comment replies) so you you may or may not want to still keep that, I personally wouldnt.
#Under "dark pattern tracking" add https://privacyspy.org/ under (or above) TOSDR. Its better in some cases, so if TOSDR doesn't have what you're looking for, this might.
#Also add https://games.productartistry.com/games/dark-patterns which is another "dark pattern detective" kind of site. Havent tried it in a while, things might have changed, I know the dev was very receptive of feedback on a HN post at least. Worth testing again before adding.

That is all. [[User:Hugo9655|Hugo9655]] ([[User talk:Hugo9655|talk]]) 13:39, 8 November 2025 (UTC)

:I've changed the protection of this list such that you (and other autoconfirmed users) can edit it. The points you've made all seem reasonable!
:I assume archive.today can archive twitter if you archive the xcancel.com mirror of whatever you're wanting to archive on twitter? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:33, 8 November 2025 (UTC)
::Hey. Didnt think to use frontends, xcancel specifically got stuck at the "verifying request" page, but another one i tried (nitter.net) works fine. Still mention twitter then, but clarify that it works best with frontends only.
::Did you mean access to this discussion here or the tools page itself? [[User:Hugo9655|Hugo9655]] ([[User talk:Hugo9655|talk]]) 16:29, 8 November 2025 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Keith|Keith]] that won't work as cascading protection is turned on for the main page, which means that everything transcluded there won't be editable too like the main page no matter the protection settings. I'll fix it now [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:01, 8 November 2025 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Hugo9655|Hugo9655]] should work now [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:07, 8 November 2025 (UTC)
:::::Cool, ty. [[User:Hugo9655|Hugo9655]] ([[User talk:Hugo9655|talk]]) 18:58, 8 November 2025 (UTC)

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2025-11-08T16:37:59Z

Hugo9655: /* Multiple improvements */

==Multiple improvements==

I noticed this list seems to be pretty outdated. I thought of several changes that could improve this list:

#LocalCDN is [https://github.com/arkenfox/user.js/wiki/4.1-Extensions/#-dont-bother useless] according to arkenfox dev (fingerprinting expert).
#Remove https://www.scamadviser.com/ - another one of those useless sites for determining safety. So many false positives. The highlights it produces have so much room for error, they arent accurate measurements of risk. Its more effective to report actual scams/badware sites to uAssets so it can be blocked for everyone using it.
#Include Triage, preferrably in front of VT, as it tends to be better. Also remove the mention of using these to scan websites. Scanning websites proves nothing and is useless for determining safety. Sticking to uBO badware lists and trusted sites in several established online wikis is the way to go.
#For archive.today, the examples used are outdated, and the use of the word "excluded" isnt really meaningful. archive.today cant archive new twitter threads, but its good for reddit, and is especially useful for paywalled articles from many sites. Could be changed to "... Smaller internet archival service for unsupported IA websites (e.g: Reddit, Paywalled Articles, Facebook)". Facebook is only partially working (cant use image carousel, cant expand comment replies) so you you may or may not want to still keep that, I personally wouldnt.
#Under "dark pattern tracking" add https://privacyspy.org/ under (or above) TOSDR. Its better in some cases, so if TOSDR doesn't have what you're looking for, this might.
#Also add https://games.productartistry.com/games/dark-patterns which is another "dark pattern detective" kind of site. Havent tried it in a while, things might have changed, I know the dev was very receptive of feedback on a HN post at least. Worth testing again before adding.

That is all. [[User:Hugo9655|Hugo9655]] ([[User talk:Hugo9655|talk]]) 13:39, 8 November 2025 (UTC)

:I've changed the protection of this list such that you (and other autoconfirmed users) can edit it. The points you've made all seem reasonable!
:I assume archive.today can archive twitter if you archive the xcancel.com mirror of whatever you're wanting to archive on twitter? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:33, 8 November 2025 (UTC)
::Hey. Didnt think to use frontends, xcancel specifically got stuck at the "verifying request" page, but another one i tried (nitter.net) works fine. Still mention twitter then, but clarify that it works best with frontends only.
:: Did you mean access to this discussion here or the tools page itself? [[User:Hugo9655|Hugo9655]] ([[User talk:Hugo9655|talk]]) 16:29, 8 November 2025 (UTC)

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==Multiple improvements==

I noticed this list seems to be pretty outdated. I thought of several changes that could improve this list:

#LocalCDN is [https://github.com/arkenfox/user.js/wiki/4.1-Extensions/#-dont-bother useless] according to arkenfox dev (fingerprinting expert).
#Remove https://www.scamadviser.com/ - another one of those useless sites for determining safety. So many false positives. The highlights it produces have so much room for error, they arent accurate measurements of risk. Its more effective to report actual scams/badware sites to uAssets so it can be blocked for everyone using it.
#Include Triage, preferrably in front of VT, as it tends to be better. Also remove the mention of using these to scan websites. Scanning websites proves nothing and is useless for determining safety. Sticking to uBO badware lists and trusted sites in several established online wikis is the way to go.
#For archive.today, the examples used are outdated, and the use of the word "excluded" isnt really meaningful. archive.today cant archive new twitter threads, but its good for reddit, and is especially useful for paywalled articles from many sites. Could be changed to "... Smaller internet archival service for unsupported IA websites (e.g: Reddit, Paywalled Articles, Facebook)". Facebook is only partially working (cant use image carousel, cant expand comment replies) so you you may or may not want to still keep that, I personally wouldnt.
#Under "dark pattern tracking" add https://privacyspy.org/ under (or above) TOSDR. Its better in some cases, so if TOSDR doesn't have what you're looking for, this might.
#Also add https://games.productartistry.com/games/dark-patterns which is another "dark pattern detective" kind of site. Havent tried it in a while, things might have changed, I know the dev was very receptive of feedback on a HN post at least. Worth testing again before adding.

That is all. [[User:Hugo9655|Hugo9655]] ([[User talk:Hugo9655|talk]]) 13:39, 8 November 2025 (UTC)

:I've changed the protection of this list such that you (and other autoconfirmed users) can edit it. The points you've made all seem reasonable!
:I assume archive.today can archive twitter if you archive the xcancel.com mirror of whatever you're wanting to archive on twitter? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:33, 8 November 2025 (UTC)
::Hey. Didnt think to use frontends, xcancel specifically got stuck at the "verifying request" page, but another one i tried (nitter.net) works fine. You can still mention twitter in this case, but clarify that it works best with frontends only. [[User:Hugo9655|Hugo9655]] ([[User talk:Hugo9655|talk]]) 16:29, 8 November 2025 (UTC)

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Hugo9655: /* Multiple improvements */ Reply

==Multiple improvements==

I noticed this list seems to be pretty outdated. I thought of several changes that could improve this list:

#LocalCDN is [https://github.com/arkenfox/user.js/wiki/4.1-Extensions/#-dont-bother useless] according to arkenfox dev (fingerprinting expert).
#Remove https://www.scamadviser.com/ - another one of those useless sites for determining safety. So many false positives. The highlights it produces have so much room for error, they arent accurate measurements of risk. Its more effective to report actual scams/badware sites to uAssets so it can be blocked for everyone using it.
#Include Triage, preferrably in front of VT, as it tends to be better. Also remove the mention of using these to scan websites. Scanning websites proves nothing and is useless for determining safety. Sticking to uBO badware lists and trusted sites in several established online wikis is the way to go.
#For archive.today, the examples used are outdated, and the use of the word "excluded" isnt really meaningful. archive.today cant archive new twitter threads, but its good for reddit, and is especially useful for paywalled articles from many sites. Could be changed to "... Smaller internet archival service for unsupported IA websites (e.g: Reddit, Paywalled Articles, Facebook)". Facebook is only partially working (cant use image carousel, cant expand comment replies) so you you may or may not want to still keep that, I personally wouldnt.
#Under "dark pattern tracking" add https://privacyspy.org/ under (or above) TOSDR. Its better in some cases, so if TOSDR doesn't have what you're looking for, this might.
#Also add https://games.productartistry.com/games/dark-patterns which is another "dark pattern detective" kind of site. Havent tried it in a while, things might have changed, I know the dev was very receptive of feedback on a HN post at least. Worth testing again before adding.

That is all. [[User:Hugo9655|Hugo9655]] ([[User talk:Hugo9655|talk]]) 13:39, 8 November 2025 (UTC)

:I've changed the protection of this list such that you (and other autoconfirmed users) can edit it. The points you've made all seem reasonable!
:I assume archive.today can archive twitter if you archive the xcancel.com mirror of whatever you're wanting to archive on twitter? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:33, 8 November 2025 (UTC)
::Hey. Didnt think to use frontends, xcancel specifically got stuck at the "verifying request" page, but another one i tried (nitter.net) works fine. I will still mention twitter in this case, but clarify that it works best with frontends only.
::Thanks for the access. Ill go ahead with these changes, except point 6 for now until I have a chance to test it again. [[User:Hugo9655|Hugo9655]] ([[User talk:Hugo9655|talk]]) 16:29, 8 November 2025 (UTC)

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