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Google Nest thermostat smart features disabled

2026-03-19T11:20:14Z

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[[Google]] has announced the discontinuation of cloud-based support for first and second-generation [[Google Nest]] Learning Thermostats, affecting devices purchased between 2011-2014. While the thermostats will continue basic operation, all smart features and remote capabilities will be permanently disabled.

==Background==
Nest Labs launched the Nest Learning Thermostat in 2011, introducing smart thermostats to the mainstream market. The company was acquired by Google in 2014 for $3.2 billion. First and second-generation Nest thermostats were marketed as premium one-time purchases with cloud-based functionality as core features, including smartphone control, voice assistant integration, and home automation capabilities.

==The discontinuation announcement==
On April 25, 2025, Google officially announced that support would end for the following devices on October 25, 2025:<ref name="official">{{Cite web |title=Support changes to our earliest generation Nest Learning Thermostats |url=https://www.googlenestcommunity.com/t5/Blog/Support-changes-to-our-earliest-generation-Nest-Learning-Thermostats/ba-p/713068 |date=2025-04-25 |access-date=2025-07-13 |website=Google Nest Community |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20260127215416/https://www.googlenestcommunity.com/t5/Blog/Support-changes-to-our-earliest-generation-Nest-Learning-Thermostats/ba-p/713068 |archive-date=27 Jan 2026}}</ref><ref name="google-announcement">"Upcoming End of Support for Nest Learning Thermostats (1st and 2nd Gen) - Google Nest Help." Google.com, 2019, support.google.com/googlenest/answer/16233096?hl=en.</ref>

*Nest Learning Thermostat (1st generation, 2011)
*Nest Learning Thermostat (2nd generation, 2012)
*Nest Learning Thermostat (2nd generation, Europe version, 2014)

===Features being discontinued===
After October 25, 2025, affected devices will lose:<ref name="official" /><ref name="google-announcement" />

*Remote control via Nest and Google Home apps
*Google Assistant and third-party voice assistant integration
*Home/Away Assist functionality
*Push notifications
*Software and security updates
*All cloud-based features and connected services

===Safety feature impact===
The discontinuation affects the Emergency Shutoff feature, which automatically shuts off heating systems when Nest Protect smoke detectors sense carbon monoxide.<ref name="emergency-shutoff">"What you need for Emergency Shutoff to work - Google Nest Help." Google.com, support.google.com/googlenest/answer/9245889?hl=en-IN.</ref> Google has confirmed that "Nest Protects will also disconnect from the thermostat and Emergency Shut-off will no longer run."<ref name="google-announcement" />

===Remaining functionality===
Google states that basic thermostat functions accessible directly on the device will continue to work, including:<ref name="google-announcement" />

*Pre-set temperature schedules
*Manual temperature adjustments
*Mode switching (heat/cool)
*Auto-Schedule settings management

==Harm to consumers==
The discontinuation removes core features that were primary selling points when consumers purchased these devices. Users who built smart home systems around these thermostats face the loss of functionality they paid for, with no option for local control or open-source alternatives. The removal of the carbon monoxide safety shutoff feature presents particular concern for consumer safety.

==Company response and compensation==
Google cited the age of the hardware as the primary reason, stating it had become "increasingly challenging to continue to update these products."<ref name="official" /> The company offered limited-time discounts to affected customers:

*United States: $130 off 4th generation Nest Learning Thermostat
*Canada: $160 off 4th generation model
*Europe: 50% off Tado Smart Thermostat X Starter Kit<ref name="official" />

No options were provided for continuing use through open-source integrations, local control, or third-party services.

==Public response==
The announcement generated significant criticism from consumers and technology commentators. Carl T. Bergstrom summarized the sentiment: "We're Google, and we're going to brick your perfectly functional thermostat after buying the company that made it."<ref>{{Cite web |title=Carl T. Bergstrom on Bluesky |url=https://bsky.app/profile/carlbergstrom.com/post/3ltkvrz26tc2u |date=2025-07-09 |access-date=2025-07-13 |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20251126232013/https://bsky.app/profile/carlbergstrom.com/post/3ltkvrz26tc2u |archive-date=26 Nov 2025}}</ref><ref name="chrome">{{Cite web |title=Google ends support for Nest Learning Thermostat Gen 1 & 2 |url=https://chromeunboxed.com/your-old-nest-thermostat-is-going-to-lose-app-control-later-this-year/ |date=2025-04-29 |access-date=2025-07-13 |website=Chrome Unboxed |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20251128071758/https://chromeunboxed.com/your-old-nest-thermostat-is-going-to-lose-app-control-later-this-year/ |archive-date=28 Nov 2025}}</ref>

==Current status==
As of October 2025, the discontinuation happened. Affected consumers are advised to:

*Document current device functionality and integrations
*Ensure alternative carbon monoxide safety measures are in place before the cutoff date
*Save all communications from Google/Nest regarding the discontinuation
*Consider filing complaints with consumer protection agencies if appropriate
*A community driven open source project at https://nolongerevil.com/ has been created. This gives owners the ability to flash a custom firmware on to the Gen 1 and 2 devices. Currently a free account is required as the firmware redirects the devices to the projects own servers. A full release of the API code is planned to allow users to create their own servers. This process, of course, carries the risk of bricking the device during the flashing process. This initiative has been covered in an article on Toms Hardware Guide https://www.tomshardware.com/software/no-longer-evil-thermostat-heats-your-home-better-by-removing-google-revive-sunsetted-hardware-gain-more-precise-control-open-source

==References==
{{Reflist}}

[[Category:Google]]
[[Category:Google Nest]]
[[Category:Smart home device obsolescence]]
[[Category:Cloud service dependency]]
[[Category:Remote deactivation]]
[[Category:Forced obsolescence]]
[[Category:Ownership revocation]]

Tesla, Inc.

2026-03-18T20:36:25Z

Keith: Keith moved page Tesla, Inc. to Tesla: Moved the page to just 'tesla' to be more soncistsent with other company pages

#REDIRECT [[Tesla]]

Tesla

2026-03-18T20:36:24Z

Keith: Keith moved page Tesla, Inc. to Tesla: Moved the page to just 'tesla' to be more soncistsent with other company pages

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'''{{Wplink|Tesla, Inc.}}''' (formerly '''Tesla Motors''') is a company founded by Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning in 2003. In 2008, it was funded and taken over by [[Elon Musk]], when both original founders left their positions.<ref>{{Cite web |last=Schreiber |first=Barbara A. |last2=Gregersen |first2=Erik |last3=Ashburn |first3=Doug |date=21 Mar 2025 |title=Tesla, Inc. |url=https://www.britannica.com/money/Tesla-Motors |access-date=22 Mar 2025 |website=Britannica |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20251119124544/https://www.britannica.com/money/Tesla-Motors |archive-date=19 Nov 2025}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |last=Qai group |date=29 Sep 2022 |title=Tesla: A History Of Innovation (and Headaches) |url=https://www.forbes.com/sites/qai/2022/09/29/tesla-a-history-of-innovation-and-headaches/ |access-date=22 Mar 2025 |website=Forbes |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20250904040605/https://www.forbes.com/sites/qai/2022/09/29/tesla-a-history-of-innovation-and-headaches/ |archive-date=4 Sep 2025}}</ref>

==Controversies==
After the company was bought by Elon Musk it has been involved in a number of controversies such as requiring subscriptions or requiring a Tesla technician to fix 2012's Model S,<ref>{{Cite web |title=2012 Tesla Model s problems |url=https://www.slotcar-today.com/problems/tesla/model-s/2012 |access-date=22 Mar 2025 |website=SlotCar Today |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20250708193200/https://slotcar-today.com/problems/tesla/model-s/2012 |archive-date=8 Jul 2025}}</ref> With cases such as being the most prominent automaker to refuse to support Apple CarPlay or Android Auto, despite the feature being available in over 90% of new vehicles sold in the U.S.<ref>{{Cite web |date=14 Apr 2024 |title=The Real Reason Teslas Don't Have Apple CarPlay And Android Auto |url=https://www.topspeed.com/why-teslas-dont-have-apple-carplay-android-auto/ |access-date=22 Feb 2026 |website=TopSpeed |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20260224104917/https://www.topspeed.com/why-teslas-dont-have-apple-carplay-android-auto/ |archive-date=24 Feb 2026}}</ref>, limiting Standard Connectivity features to 8 years for vehicles ordered after July 20, 2022, after which owners have to pay for basic navigation and other connected services that were previously free for the life of the vehicle,<ref>{{Cite web |title=Connectivity |url=https://www.tesla.com/support/connectivity |access-date=22 Feb 2026 |website=Tesla Support |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20250919115030/https://www.tesla.com/support/connectivity |archive-date=19 Sep 2025}}</ref> and selling a utility vehicle (the Cybertruck, starting around $80,000 USD) whose owner's manual states that damage caused by car washes is not covered by the warranty.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Cybertruck Owner's Manual: Cleaning |url=https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/cybertruck/en_us/GUID-65384C1F-86F2-44E8-A8BC-8A12E7E00A40.html |access-date=22 Feb 2026 |website=Tesla |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20250604075022/https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/cybertruck/en_us/GUID-65384C1F-86F2-44E8-A8BC-8A12E7E00A40.html |archive-date=4 Jun 2025}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |date=18 Apr 2024 |title=Cybertruck Turns Into Large Metal Brick After Going Through Car Wash |url=https://futurism.com/cybertruck-brick-car-wash |access-date=22 Feb 2026 |website=Futurism |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20260102110041/https://futurism.com/cybertruck-brick-car-wash |archive-date=2 Jan 2026}}</ref>

This is a list of all consumer protection incidents this company is involved in. Any incidents not mentioned here can be found in the [[:Category:Tesla|Tesla category]].

===[https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-workers-shared-sensitive-images-recorded-by-customer-cars-2023-04-06/ Privacy Concerns]===
Tesla employees have allegedly viewed and shared embarrassing, disturbing, and potentially explicit recordings of Tesla through internal messaging systems; Tesla claims that all recordings are anonymous, though regardless of anonymity, it raises some privacy concerns, such as the fact that employees can even access those recordings in the first place, there don't seem to be effective measures in place to prevent those videos from being shared and they use these recordings to train their artificial intelligence which posses other privacy concerns.

===Artificially disabling functionality===
Tesla was among the early automakers to implement feature gating through software updates. For example, the company introduced an "acceleration boost" for certain vehicles that increased acceleration performance once the software feature was purchased, despite the necessary hardware already being present in the car.<ref>{{Cite web |last=Agatie |first=Cristian |date=20 Nov 2024 |title=Refreshed Tesla Model 3 Gets Acceleration Boost in Certain Markets, US Still Waiting |url=https://www.autoevolution.com/news/refreshed-tesla-model-3-gets-acceleration-boost-in-certain-markets-us-still-waiting-243025.html |access-date=22 Mar 2025 |website=autoevolution |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20250323001644/https://www.autoevolution.com/news/refreshed-tesla-model-3-gets-acceleration-boost-in-certain-markets-us-still-waiting-243025.html |archive-date=23 Mar 2025}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |last=Ali |first=Iqtidar |date=22 November 2024 |title=Tesla starts offering Acceleration Boost for the Model 3 Highland Long Range variant |url=https://www.teslaoracle.com/2024/11/22/tesla-starts-offering-acceleration-boost-for-the-model-3-highland-long-range-variant/ |access-date=22 Mar 2025 |website=Tesla Oracle |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20251106205302/https://www.teslaoracle.com/2024/11/22/tesla-starts-offering-acceleration-boost-for-the-model-3-highland-long-range-variant/ |archive-date=6 Nov 2025}}</ref>

Tesla initially promoted the inclusion of radar hardware in its Model 3 vehicles, highlighting its role in enhancing driver assistance features. In subsequent production runs, however, the company discontinued radar hardware in new Model 3 units, while continuing to include it in higher-end models such as the Model S (and later the Model X). Later, Tesla issued an over-the-air (OTA) software update that disabled the radar hardware in existing Model 3 vehicles equipped with it.<ref>{{Cite web |date=31 Jan 2024 |title=Tesla's Relationship With Radar |url=https://www.edge-ai-vision.com/2024/01/teslas-relationship-with-radar/ |access-date=22 Mar 2025 |website=Edge AI and Vision Alliance |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20251109192012/https://www.edge-ai-vision.com/2024/01/teslas-relationship-with-radar/ |archive-date=9 Nov 2025}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |last=Klender |first=Joey |date=10 Jun 2023 |title=Tesla owners claim their radar was disabled during service visits |url=https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-disables-radar-model-3-model-y-service-visits/ |access-date=22 Mar 2025 |website=Teslarati |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20251107100049/https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-disables-radar-model-3-model-y-service-visits/ |archive-date=7 Nov 2025}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |last=Dnistran |first=Iulian |date=22 Mar 2023 |title=Elon Musk Overruled Tesla Engineers Who Said Removing Radar Would Be Problematic: Report |url=https://insideevs.com/news/658439/elon-musk-overruled-tesla-autopilot-engineers-radar-removal/ |access-date=22 Mar 2025 |website=InsideEVs |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20250806073306/https://insideevs.com/news/658439/elon-musk-overruled-tesla-autopilot-engineers-radar-removal/ |archive-date=6 Aug 2025}}</ref> As a result, these vehicles saw changes such as a reduced range of following distance options in Traffic-Aware Cruise Control (TACC), from 1-7 to 2-7. Reports also indicated degraded performance in driver assistance systems, including instances of unexpected braking behavior.<ref>{{Cite web |last=rwiegand |date=22 Jul 2024 |title=Unfortunate new panic braking behavior from TACC |url=https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/unfortunate-new-panic-braking-behavior-from-tacc.331045/ |access-date=22 Mar 2025 |via=Tesla Motors Club}}</ref>

Tesla has also phased out other commonly expected vehicle features, such as ultrasonic parking sensors, reportedly as a cost-saving measure.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Tesla Vision Update: Replacing Ultrasonic Sensors with Tesla Vision |url=https://www.tesla.com/support/transitioning-tesla-vision |access-date=22 Mar 2025 |website=Tesla |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20250405105729/https://www.tesla.com/support/transitioning-tesla-vision |archive-date=5 Apr 2025}}</ref> These changes are often implemented without formal announcements. Additionally, Tesla has removed dedicated rain sensors from some vehicles, with similar impacts on feature performance.<ref>{{Cite web |last=Johnson |first=Jeremy |date=8 Dec 2023 |title=Are Softening Tesla Model Y Sales In Europe Really Due to $119 Worth of Sensors Removal? |url=https://www.torquenews.com/14335/are-softening-tesla-model-y-sales-europe-really-due-119-sensor-removal |access-date=22 Mar 2025 |website=Torque News |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20250708193200/https://www.torquenews.com/14335/are-softening-tesla-model-y-sales-europe-really-due-119-sensor-removal |archive-date=8 Jul 2025}}</ref>

===Wrongful legal threats===
In 2022, Swedish car repair company Grufman Bil AB, based in Järfälla, published a video on their YouTube channel showing a 2016 Tesla Model S with a broken rear suspension link arm (''länkarm''), a safety-critical component that had failed while driving, causing the wheel to fold under the vehicle. In the video, they demonstrated the weakness of the material by hammering on the other (intact) link arm, which also broke after several strikes. The video ended with a direct message to Tesla to fix the defect before someone got killed. The same suspension defect had previously led Chinese authorities to force Tesla to recall 30,000 Model S and Model X vehicles.<ref>{{Cite web |last=Kolodny |first=Lora |date=23 Oct 2020 |title=Tesla recalls nearly 50,000 Model S and X cars in China over faulty suspension |url=https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/23/tesla-recalls-model-s/x-cars-in-china-over-faulty-suspension.html |access-date=22 Feb 2026 |website=CNBC |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20260103085421/https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/23/tesla-recalls-model-s/x-cars-in-china-over-faulty-suspension.html |archive-date=3 Jan 2026}}</ref>

Shortly after the video went viral, Tesla's law firm sent a letter to Grufman Bil claiming the video was damaging to Tesla's reputation and that Grufman Bil was using Tesla's brand to promote their own business. The letter demanded the video be removed. Grufman Bil's own lawyer said the video could legally stay up, but the company chose to take it down anyway, not wanting to risk a legal fight with a much larger corporation. Fredrik Grufman, the company's owner, stated that the goal of the video, raising awareness of a dangerous defect, had been achieved, and that authorities were already looking into it.<ref>{{Cite web |date=15 Jul 2022 |title=Slog larm om farligt fel – Teslas advokater stoppar filmen |url=https://carup.se/larmade-om-farligt-fel-fredriks-film-stoppad-av-teslas-advokater/ |access-date=22 Feb 2026 |website=Carup.se |language=sv |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20251112135012/https://carup.se/larmade-om-farligt-fel-fredriks-film-stoppad-av-teslas-advokater/ |archive-date=12 Nov 2025}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |date=12 Jul 2022 |title=Teslas advokater hotar svensk bilverkstad för filmpublicering |url=https://www.nyteknik.se/fordon/teslas-advokater-hotar-svensk-bilverkstad-for-filmpublicering/399884 |access-date=22 Feb 2026 |website=Ny Teknik |language=sv |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20241009191903/https://www.nyteknik.se/fordon/teslas-advokater-hotar-svensk-bilverkstad-for-filmpublicering/399884 |archive-date=9 Oct 2024}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |date=9 Jan 2024 |title=Verkstad tar bort kritisk video efter brev från Teslas advokater |url=https://elbilen.se/nyheter/verkstad-tar-bort-kritisk-video-efter-brev-fran-teslas-advokater/ |access-date=22 Feb 2026 |website=Elbilen |language=sv |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20251008133141/https://elbilen.se/nyheter/verkstad-tar-bort-kritisk-video-efter-brev-fran-teslas-advokater/ |archive-date=8 Oct 2025}}</ref>

===Resale restrictions===
Tesla has recently started prohibiting the resale of its vehicles within one year of purchase, imposing fines of up to $50,000 on owners who violate the policy.<ref>{{Cite web |last=Hood |first=Bryan |date=4 June 2024 |title=A Man Says Tesla Won't Let Him Sell His Cybertruck—Even Though It's Too Big for His Parking Spot |url=https://robbreport.com/motors/cars/tesla-cybertruck-owner-cannot-sell-ev-parking-space-1235638981/ |access-date=22 Mar 2025 |website=Robb Report |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20250725093020/https://robbreport.com/motors/cars/tesla-cybertruck-owner-cannot-sell-ev-parking-space-1235638981/ |archive-date=25 Jul 2025}}</ref> This is done without regard for situations that may necessitate a resale, and appears to align with practices adopted by other companies.<ref>{{Cite web |last=Foote |first=Brett |date=7 Jan 2022 |title=2022 Ford F-150 Lightning Will Come With One Year No-Sale Provision |url=https://fordauthority.com/2022/01/2022-ford-f-150-lightning-will-come-with-one-year-no-sale-provision/ |access-date=22 Mar 2025 |website=Ford Authority |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20250918045859/https://fordauthority.com/2022/01/2022-ford-f-150-lightning-will-come-with-one-year-no-sale-provision/ |archive-date=18 Sep 2025}}</ref>

===Full Self-Driving switching to subscription only (''2026'')===
{{Main|Tesla switches full self-driving to subscription only}}

On 14 January, 2026, Elon Musk announced that Tesla will stop selling their "Full Self-Driving" (or "FSD") feature as a one-time purchase for $8,000 USD, instead offering only a subscription option for $99 USD per month. This policy is set to take effect on 14 February, 2026.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Full Self-Driving (Supervised) Subscriptions |url=https://www.tesla.com/support/full-self-driving-subscriptions |url-status=live |access-date=22 Jan 2026 |website=Tesla Support |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20260123001814/https://www.tesla.com/support/full-self-driving-subscriptions |archive-date=23 Jan 2026}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |last=Musk |first=Elon |date=14 Jan 2026 |title=Tesla will stop selling FSD after Feb 14. |url=https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2011324998653513810/ |url-status=live |access-date=22 Jan 2026 |website=X}}</ref>

==See also==
*[[Tesla asks customers to vote against Right to Repair]]
*[[Tesla blames drivers for part failures it admits were defective]]
*[[Tesla locks battery range behind paywall]]
*[[Tesla locks heated rear seats behind paywall]]
*[[Tesla locks horsepower behind paywall]]

==References==
{{Reflist}}

[[Category:Tesla]]

Talk:JavaScript

2026-03-18T12:14:48Z

Keith: /* maybe better to move this to 'Forced JavaScript on websites' and narrow the scope or something? */ Reply

==maybe better to move this to 'Forced JavaScript on websites' and narrow the scope or something?==

This article currently reads as an opinionated article about how bad a programming language is. Whether it's valid or not is beyond me, but I'm not sure it really fits the wiki, especially as it's a bit of a stretch to call it a 'product'. An incident/theme page on javascript being forced for tracking etc. could make ore sense instead? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 08:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC)

:I agree, it's not a product, it's a web-tech, like [[Web cookie|cookies]]. I think that if there's an article about cookies, there should be one about JS [[User:Rudxain|Rudxain]] ([[User talk:Rudxain|talk]]) 08:28, 18 March 2026 (UTC)
::yeah, it's more of a general theme article regarding how it's used that we'd want i guess, rather than an article discussing the language itself (though obviously things about the language would be brought up). [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 08:47, 18 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Agreed, if we need an explainer article for JS, we should just link to Wikipedia. Any incidents/themes explicitly involving JS should have their own dedicated articles [[User:JamesTDG|JamesTDG]] ([[User talk:JamesTDG|talk]]) 08:52, 18 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I forgot to mention that there are some cases in which the ''mere existence'' of JS (as a standard) can negatively impact users, even when it's optional. One of the External-Links [https://github.com/Rudxain/blog/blob/a326c9db28c9f7eb6e30e6a737ca4aeae0d2ee39/post/js-abuse.md#to-do contains a source] for that, so please give me some time to complete the article :( [[User:Rudxain|Rudxain]] ([[User talk:Rudxain|talk]]) 09:16, 18 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Wait, isn't JS too specific to be a theme? I think a proper theme would be "Forced software" (similarly to [[Forced app download|FADL]]). It makes sense, because many of the bad things about JS are shared/in-common with anything that executes code ("dynamic/active content") [[User:Rudxain|Rudxain]] ([[User talk:Rudxain|talk]]) 11:35, 18 March 2026 (UTC)
::::it's not essential that themes be broad - the main reason to use them is when 'this is a thing that is a general issue, but is not linked to a single product or company', I'd say? and the effects of JS on the web ecosystem are definitely not classifiable as an incident that can be pinned on a single company, and can't even really be blamed on the language itself, it's the whole ecosystem that exists around it. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 12:14, 18 March 2026 (UTC)

Talk:JavaScript

2026-03-18T08:47:18Z

Keith: /* maybe better to move this to 'Forced JavaScript on websites' and narrow the scope or something? */ Reply

JavaScript

2026-03-18T08:15:15Z

Keith: added tone notice - right now it reads a bit like a 'I hate javaScript' essay - and see discussion for my thoughts on relevancy

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'''[[wikipedia:JavaScript|JavaScript]]''' ('''JS''') is a [[wikipedia:Programming_language|programming language]] and core technology of [[wikipedia:World_Wide_Web|the Web]], alongside [[wikipedia:HTML|HTML]] and [[wikipedia:CSS|CSS]]. It was created by [[wikipedia:Brendan_Eich|Brendan Eich]] in 1995.<ref>https://exploringjs.com/es5/ch04.html</ref> As of 2025, the overwhelming majority of [[wikipedia:Website|websites]] (98.9%) uses JS for [[wikipedia:Client_(computing)|client]]-side [[wikipedia:Web_page|webpage]] behavior.<ref name="deployedstats">{{cite web |title=Usage Statistics of JavaScript as Client-side Programming Language on Websites |url=https://w3techs.com/technologies/details/cp-javascript |access-date=2024-02-27 |website=W3Techs }}</ref> It's even used on the [[wikipedia:Server_(computing)|server]]-side (see [[wikipedia:Node.js|Node.js]]).

==Consumer-impact summary==

*'''Forced requirement''': Many webpages (and even entire websites), force the user to keep JS enabled. In 2026, considering the advancements in HTML and CSS technology, there is ''no technical reason'' why any website (other than real-time simulations and low-latency gaming) would ''ever'' need JS. The only valid justification are [[wikipedia:Legacy_code|legacy code-bases]], since those are impractical to migrate to no-JS solutions. That is, newer web-sites have no reason to use JS, let alone mandate it.
*'''Excessive tracking''': JS is much more capable than HTML and CSS '''combined''' to track user behavior, because of its first-class access to [https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API user-agent (UA) APIs]. JS can communicate with almost any server (only limited by [[wikipedia:Cross-origin_resource_sharing|CORS]]) at any time (limited by connection availability), using a plethora of protocols. JS can get hardware information and compute a [[Device fingerprint|fingerprint of the device]], user, or both.
*[[Personalized Ads|'''Targeted ads''']]: JS makes it harder for [[Ad block|ad-blockers]] to block ads, since it can be used to make overly-dynamic ads. The data collected by malicious JS makes it trivial to serve personalized ads, even across unrelated sites.
*'''Market control''': JS (alongside [[wikipedia:WebAssembly|Wasm]]) are built into almost every web-browser and UA, including "light-weight" ones (such as [[wikipedia:W3m|w3m]]). Incentivizing companies to use it for everything, since "there's no need to worry about compatibility or portability". Some people say that JS shouldn't even be a Web Standard,<ref>https://daringfireball.net/linked/2017/06/22/navistone-form-data</ref><ref>https://daringfireball.net/linked/2017/06/27/web-without-javascript</ref> implying that it should be an [[wikipedia:Browser_extension|extension]] or [[wikipedia:Plug-in_(computing)|plug-in]] (such as Java Applets and [[Adobe]] Flash) the user willingly installs; this would reduce the incentive to use JS, as there's no guarantee the user has it.
*'''Security nightmare''': JS is well-known for being a poorly-designed tool.<ref>https://github.com/denysdovhan/wtfjs</ref><ref>https://github.com/brianleroux/wtfjs</ref><ref>https://wiki.theory.org/YourLanguageSucks#JavaScript_sucks_because</ref><ref>https://github.com/Rudxain/ideas/blob/aa9a80252a4b7c9c51f32eda5c716e96220ed96e/software/evar/with_bf.js</ref> This leads to programmers and even experienced software-devs to accidentally add vulnerabilities to their code. That, and the fact that JS is [[wikipedia:Turing_completeness|Turing-complete]] (both [https://gavinhoward.com/2024/03/what-computers-cannot-do-the-consequences-of-turing-completeness/#mathematical-vs-practical in practice and in theory]) is a recipe for disaster, as it makes [[wikipedia:Debugging|debugging]] and [[wikipedia:Reverse_engineering|reverse-engineering]] impractical in many cases. The most common vulnerabilities found are:
**[[wikipedia:Cross-site_scripting|XSS]], which [[wikipedia:NoScript|NoScript]] tries to mitigate
**[[wikipedia:Arbitrary_code_execution|Arbitrary code execution]] and [[wikipedia:Code_injection|code injection]]. Typically caused by <code>[https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/eval eval]</code> (part of the ECMAScript spec), but there are Web APIs (such as <code>[https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Window/setTimeout setTimeout]</code> and <code>[https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Window/setInterval setInterval]</code>) that can be misused as well.
**Remote code execution. This is used by hackers and crackers to build [[wikipedia:Botnet|bot-nets]] for [[wikipedia:Ddos#Distributed_DoS|DDoS]] or [[wikipedia:Cryptocurrency|crypto]]-mining, but it's mostly used for [[spyware]] since it can hide more easily.
**[[wikipedia:Sandbox_(computer_security)|Sandbox]] escape. Modern browsers compile JS to native CPU code (see [[wikipedia:Just-in-time_compilation|JIT]]) to improve performance; this introduces a higher risk of sandbox-escape, as the code can more easily find vulnerabilities to manipulate the engine.

==Incidents==
{{Ph-C-Inc}}
This is a list of all consumer-protection incidents related to this product. Any incidents not mentioned here can be found in the [[:Category:{{PAGENAME}}|{{PAGENAME}} category]].

===Example incident one (''date'')===
Short summary of the incident (could be the same as the summary preceding the article).
==External links==

*[https://libredirect.github.io/faq.html LibRedirect explaining why it exists], and how [[Google Chrome]]'s MV3 limits it
*https://daringfireball.net/linked/2025/01/18/google-search-javascript
*https://blog.jim-nielsen.com/2025/javascript-required/
*https://techcrunch.com/2025/01/17/google-begins-requiring-javascript-for-google-search/
*https://serpapi.com/blog/google-now-requires-javascript/
*[[Google]] being anti-competitive towards [[Firefox]]: https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBlock-issues/discussions/3240
*[[Meta]] refusing to serve content to <code>noscript</code> users, and deliberately nagging them to [[Forced app download|install the app]] or [[Forced account|login]]: https://github.com/Rudxain/uBO-rules/pull/9
*[https://github.com/iam-py-test/my_filters_001/blob/fc5f61eff0b0d821cb426bea76b18937072bc390/no-js-warnings.txt Websites that nag users to enable JS, even when it provides negligible value]
*[[Discord]] being extremely [[Bloatware|bloated]] to the point of crashing when opening Developer-tools: https://github.com/Rudxain/uBO-rules/blob/42220bd4f80052ee15136dff7269df19529c43ec/rx.ubo#L3-L19
*[https://www.slideshare.net/slideshow/enough-withthejavascriptalready/23262138 "Enough with the JavaScript already!"]
*[https://eev.ee/blog/2016/03/06/maybe-we-could-tone-down-the-javascript "Maybe we could tone down the JavaScript"]
*[https://www.htmhell.dev/adventcalendar/2023/2/ "You don't need JavaScript for that"]
*[https://www.kryogenix.org/code/dont-need-that-js "You really don't need all that JavaScript, I promise"]
*[https://jakearchibald.com/2013/progressive-enhancement-still-important "Progressive Enhancement Still Important"]
*https://www.w3.org/wiki/The_principles_of_unobtrusive_JavaScript
*[https://www.kryogenix.org/code/browser/everyonehasjs.html "Everyone has JS, right?"]
*[https://youtu.be/xE9W9Ghe4Jk "Shipping a button in 2026…"], by Kai Lentit. This illustrates the burnout and fatigue software developers can experience on a daily basis
*[https://grugbrain.dev/ HTMX developer advocating for less JS]
*[https://idlewords.com/talks/website_obesity.htm "Web Obesity Crisis"]
*[https://danluu.com/web-bloat/ "How web bloat impacts users with slow connections"]
*[https://tonsky.me/blog/js-bloat JS bloat (2024)]
*[https://tonsky.me/blog/disenchantment How JS makes web apps more unstable]
*[https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/javascript-trap.html GNU/FSF explaining why JS takes freedom away]
*[https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/wwworst-app-store.html GNU/FSF explaining why "web apps" shouldn't exist]. '''WARNING''': contains overzealous claims! ([https://github.com/Rudxain/blog/blob/main/post/re_twwwas.md according to Rudxain]). Related: [[wikipedia:Local-first_software|Local-first]]
*[https://clickclickclick.click/ Interactive page (game?) showing how websites can '''track almost anything''' the user does]
*[https://privacycheck.sec.lrz.de/ "Browserize"] fingerprinting showcase
*[https://abrahamjuliot.github.io/creepjs "CreepJS"] fingerprint showcase
*[https://github.com/Rudxain/blog/blob/main/post/js-abuse.md More sources] (''TO-DO'')

==See also==

*[[Electron]]
*[[Mozilla]]

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:{{PAGENAME}}]]

Talk:JavaScript

2026-03-18T08:12:14Z

Keith: /* maybe better to move this to 'Forced JavaScript on websites' and narrow the scope or something? */ new section

Consumer Rights Wiki:Moderator applications

2026-03-18T01:38:41Z

Keith:

The Consumer Rights Wiki needs YOU!

We're always looking for people willing to go the extra mile for consumer rights and help the Wiki be the best it can possibly be. This will serve as your guide to applying for either a moderator role or the superconfirmed role (don't worry, it's not too painful!).

Upon receiving an application, we will review it and aim to get back to you as quickly as possible. Applications should be sent to the email help@consumerrights.wiki, and should contain an answer to any required questions, as well as your Wiki username and any other relevant information (other sites you've modded on, Wikipedia edits you've made, etc.) so we can examine your edit history.

==Superconfirmed vs moderator==
Superconfirmed users have a different set of permissions from full moderators; the important differences are below:
===Superconfirmed===
* Can edit most protected pages
* Can delete pages
* Can remove article notices

===Moderators===
* Have access to all superconfirmed permissions
* Can ban users and IPs
* Can protect pages

The overall intention is that most of our regular content editors should end up as Superconfirmed, whereas the moderator role is for those who want to go the extra mile.
==Requirements==
We want to strike a balance between sensible caution over the handing out of privileges, and the need to make the application process accessible and relatively pain-free (we certainly don't want to end up with Wikipedia's situation, where the strictness of their system has essentially served to block them from recruiting new moderators). As such, here's an overview of what we're looking for in an applicant:

===Edit history===
Your edit history needs to demonstrate that you have an understanding of what the Wiki's purpose is, and what makes a good article. We will mostly look at your most recent substantial edits, and assess how well they fit with the Wiki's policies and guidelines.

For the Superconfirmed role, you must have a month of activity on the wiki, and for the moderator role you must have 3 months' activity (in both cases wiki activity does not need to be contiguous, and experience on external wikis counts, provided that the wiki in question has a similar style of content policies.
===Application questions (Moderator applications only)===

*Why are you interested in moderating the Wiki?

*What do you see as the biggest non-technical problem with the Wiki or its articles at present?

*What is your time availability for the role, and what tasks are you most interested in carrying out as a mod?

*Have you read through the Wiki's policy documentation, and do you have any particular thoughts or comments on it?

[[Category:CRW]]

Template:Main Page/Announcements

2026-03-18T01:36:48Z

Keith: sahj-platform

'''2026-03-17'''

A couple of announcements today! We're officially launching both the Wiki Zulip server, and the superconfirmed role on the Wiki.

The Zulip server, located at https://zulip.consumerrights.wiki/ (and accessible via the left sidebar), is intended to act as a Discord alternative for those of you who aren't too keen on setting up a Discord account. It is a privacy respecting open source program which we self-host, and we've also set up bridge infrastructure, meaning that many of the main channels on the Discord and Zulip allow for cross-platform communication, with messages sent on one platform being viewable on the other.

Unlike a full wiki mod, superconfirmed users will not have any special privileges relating to banning or managing the permissions of other accounts on the site, but will still be able to remove article notices, edit protected pages, and so on. The full requirements can be found on [[Consumer_Rights_Wiki:Moderator_applications]] however the gist of it is that you need to know what you're on about and have ~1 month of productive edits on this wiki, or demonstrate to an administrator that you have experience on another wiki with comparable editorial standards, such as Wikipedia.

'''2026-03-05'''

We've released our [[Consumer_Rights_Wiki:Year one annual report|first annual report]]! It contains general reflections on the first year of our operation, as well as all the results from the survey carried out a few weeks ago, and our priorities for the near future. Congratulations to everyone on getting the site to this point, and go give it a read!

We're also happy to announce the official release of the Consumer Rights Wiki browser extension, which will flag sites related to products and companies with entries on the wiki as you browse.

Please find the Chrome extension here: https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/consumer-rights-wiki/bppajinomefndbbmopljhbdfefnefdha

And the Firefox extension here: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/consumer-rights-wiki/

'''2026-02-22'''

Quick note to say that we're deprecating Archive.today, and editors should no longer use them for [[Projects:Archive_everything|archiving]].
The reason is a whole bunch of internet drama but long story short, the site maintainer/owner seems to have used malicious Javascript to make all visitors to the site unwittingly participate in a DDOS against the personal website of someone they didn't like, as well as allegedly '''editing archived pages''' as a form of harassment against the same target, making archive.today no longer a reliable archive.
<!--
'''2026-02-17'''

We're starting monthly editor meetings for regular users of the wiki to meet up, socialise, and chat with the team. The meetings will be held via Zoom, and if you're interested, please email help@consumerrights.wiki with your wiki name, and the subject line 'Monthly Wiki hangout' to get added to the mailing list for the Zoom invite!

These meetings will be hosted at 20:00 UTC on the first Sunday of each month.

Template:Main Page/Announcements

2026-03-18T01:20:53Z

Keith: added zulip + superconfirmed announcement

'''2026-03-17'''

A couple of announcements today! We're officially launching both the Wiki Zulip server, and the superconfirmed role on the Wiki.

The Zulip server, located at https://zulip.consumerrights.wiki/ (and accessible via the left sidebar), is intended to act as a Discord alternative for those of you who aren't too keen on setting up a Discord account. It is a privacy respecting open source program which we self-host, and we've also set up bridge infrastructure, meaning that many of the main channels on the Discord and Zulip allow for cross sahj-platform communication, with messages sent on one platform being viewable on the other.

Unlike a full wiki mod, superconfirmed users will not have any special privileges relating to banning or managing the permissions of other accounts on the site, but will still be able to remove article notices, edit protected pages, and so on. The full requirements can be found on [[Consumer_Rights_Wiki:Moderator_applications]] however the gist of it is that you need to know what you're on about and have ~1 month of productive edits on this wiki, or demonstrate to an administrator that you have experience on another wiki with comparable editorial standards, such as Wikipedia.

'''2026-03-05'''

We've released our [[Consumer_Rights_Wiki:Year one annual report|first annual report]]! It contains general reflections on the first year of our operation, as well as all the results from the survey carried out a few weeks ago, and our priorities for the near future. Congratulations to everyone on getting the site to this point, and go give it a read!

We're also happy to announce the official release of the Consumer Rights Wiki browser extension, which will flag sites related to products and companies with entries on the wiki as you browse.

Please find the Chrome extension here: https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/consumer-rights-wiki/bppajinomefndbbmopljhbdfefnefdha

And the Firefox extension here: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/consumer-rights-wiki/

'''2026-02-22'''

Quick note to say that we're deprecating Archive.today, and editors should no longer use them for [[Projects:Archive_everything|archiving]].
The reason is a whole bunch of internet drama but long story short, the site maintainer/owner seems to have used malicious Javascript to make all visitors to the site unwittingly participate in a DDOS against the personal website of someone they didn't like, as well as allegedly '''editing archived pages''' as a form of harassment against the same target, making archive.today no longer a reliable archive.
<!--
'''2026-02-17'''

We're starting monthly editor meetings for regular users of the wiki to meet up, socialise, and chat with the team. The meetings will be held via Zoom, and if you're interested, please email help@consumerrights.wiki with your wiki name, and the subject line 'Monthly Wiki hangout' to get added to the mailing list for the Zoom invite!

These meetings will be hosted at 20:00 UTC on the first Sunday of each month.

Consumer Rights Wiki:Moderator applications

2026-03-18T01:18:15Z

Keith:

The Consumer Rights Wiki needs YOU!

We're always looking for people willing to go the extra mile for consumer rights and help the Wiki be the best it can possibly be. This will serve as your guide to applying for either a moderator role or the superconfirmed role (don't worry, it's not too painful!).

Upon receiving an application, we will review it and aim to get back to you as quickly as possible. Applications should be sent to the email help@consumerrights.wiki, and should contain an answer to any required questions, as well as your Wiki username and any other relevant information (other sites you've modded on, Wikipedia edits you've made, etc.) so we can examine your edit history.

==Superconfirmed vs moderator==
Superconfirmed users have a different set of permissions from full moderators; the important differences are below:
===Superconfirmed===
* Can edit most protected pages
* Can delete pages
* Can remove article notices

===Moderators===
* Have access to all superconfirmed permissions
* Can ban users and IPs
* Can protect pages

The overall intention is that most of our regular content editors should end up as Superconfirmed, whereas the moderator role is for those who want to go the extra mile.
==Requirements==
We want to strike a balance between sensible caution over the handing out of privileges, and the need to make the application process accessible and relatively pain-free (we certainly don't want to end up with Wikipedia's situation, where the strictness of their system has essentially served to block them from recruiting new moderators). As such, here's an overview of what we're looking for in an applicant:

===Edit history===
Your edit history needs to demonstrate that you have an understanding of what the Wiki's purpose is, and what makes a good article. We will mostly look at your most recent substantial edits, and assess how well they fit with the Wiki's policies and guidelines.

For the Superconfirmed role, you must have a month of activity on the wiki, and for the moderator role you must have 3 months' activity (in both cases wiki activity does not need to be contiguous, and experience on external wikis counts, provided that the wiki in question has a similar style of
===Application questions (Moderator applications only)===

*Why are you interested in moderating the Wiki?

*What do you see as the biggest non-technical problem with the Wiki or its articles at present?

*What is your time availability for the role, and what tasks are you most interested in carrying out as a mod?

*Have you read through the Wiki's policy documentation, and do you have any particular thoughts or comments on it?

[[Category:CRW]]

User talk:Keith

2026-03-14T07:47:21Z

Keith: /* Regarding a recent article I created */ Reply

[[User:Alexa|Alexa]] ([[User talk:Alexa|talk]]) 16 May 2025

Hello @[[User:Keith|Keith]],

I'm interested in helping with the wiki, and specifically I have real world example, but would like to check if it's a good fit here or not.

And I can't talk in discord, as it's forcing me to submit my email.

Is this a good place to start conversation on adding new company, and fitness of the case.

Thank you.

∼∼∼∼

Hi @[[User:Alexa|Alexa]]!

No problem at all - go ahead and let me know what your thought is and I'll give you my thoughts on whether/how it fits on the wiki!

[[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 20:03, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

[[User:Alexa|Alexa]] ([[User talk:Alexa|talk]]) 06:36, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

@[[User:Keith|Keith]],

There is company in California that offers indoor skydiving, and obviously they have waiver to sign (with arbitration 😃), but it's not the issue I found there, but that part of that waiver is "consent" to "grant exclusive permission" to take photo/video, and use it in their promotional materials, and there is no way to sign the waiver without consenting to that photo/video permission, online form doesn't allow you to proceed. And even when we went to the place itself, staff said that "corporate doesn't allow them to print out forms to fill out, anymore, and all waivers need to be filled in online", means we can't opt out from that photo/video consent. So my kid ended up not taking that "flight", because we couldn't sign the waiver without consenting to photos.

Thank you.

[[User:Alexa|Alexa]] ([[User talk:Alexa|talk]]) 17 May 2025

@[[User:Alexa|Alexa]]

I think that fits the bill - although it's a smaller company, it fits within the frame of modern consumer protection and demonstrates how draconian the terms for even something like that can be.
Go for it! I'd probably say that this is a case where a company article can be created, and the TOS issue can be neatly summarised within it, as opposed to being a seperate incident article.

Edit: actually, I might have got ahead of myself - is this something which has been covered or discussed annywhere other than by yourself? If not, it may fall foul of the No Original Research rule, although a very basic page which basically just lays out the facts which can be established from their website and TOS, and does not provide any commentary beyond this, might be ok.

[[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 07:55, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

==Re: CAT Documentation==
[[User:Keith|@Keith]] I've replied to your message at [[User talk:Travis]]. Let me know if you'd like to discuss further approaches to organizing the documentation. [[User:Travis|Travis]] ([[User talk:Travis|talk]]) 14:43, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

==Delegating tasks==

Hello Keith,

You said at the meetup that you found it easy to delegate.

This interests me because when I was in business, I found it difficult delegate: did not believe people could not do a good enough job and I would be still responsible for the results.

Is this topic of interest to you?

∼∼∼∼

[[User:Janosabel|Janosabel]] ([[User talk:Janosabel|talk]]) 22:48, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

:I think that in the context of wikis or any kind of community project, one needs to be able to trust others to get anywhere (perhaps with some verification too at times).
:I'm under absolutely no illusion that I can do all or even much of this by myself, and we have some really talented and great people on the team!
:There's no way of achieving the results we'd want without spreading the workload and decision-making responsibility. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 09:33, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
::I understand what you mean.
::Just realised, I was speaking about me half a century ago; and not being able to trust delegees cost me a burnout. Without delegation even if imperfect, what must be done cannot be done.
::Unfortunately I cannot help by contributing to the Wiki for lack of academic training in the required writing style, but put on my talk page a witness account how supermarkets expanding to local areas are killing independent small traders.
::PS. What is the difference between <edit source> and using the <reply> button? [[User:Janosabel|Janosabel]] ([[User talk:Janosabel|talk]]) 20:05, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
:::I think the reply button just opens up a small window of the editor, and applies the signature to the message automatically? I'll have a look at what you mentioned, but I'm not sure it quite fits the theme of the Wiki, as we're keeping it focused on anti-consumer activities, rather than general issues with corporate behaviour.
:::And yes, I'll be careful on burnout! I want to avoid the combination of this and my day job driving me mad... [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 23:02, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

==Thanks and silly questions==

Hi Keith,

thanks for adding me to the confirmed users. Total newbie here, i have no idea how to properly contribute. I tried to start a discussion in the Category Leagislation Africa, not sure if it was posted.

Should i ask it directly here? or keep it in that category?

Mika, Madagascar. [[User:Mikadago|Mikadago]] ([[User talk:Mikadago|talk]]) 11:42, 16 August 2025 (UTC)

:I'm happy to reply there, though it will take a few mins to put together an answer and provide some guidance on where best to include the information [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 13:28, 16 August 2025 (UTC)

==Is the main Miku article ready to have the stub removed?==

[[Miku]]

I've been working on getting to Miku article to a better place, is there anything else you think I should add to it before the stub is removed? [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 01:20, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

:Happy to remove the incomplete notice as it's defeinitely better sourced now, but I think it might be s good idea for you to have a look at how the controversies/incidents section is laid out on the [[Netflix]] article, as the way it's done in the Miku article is a little strange, especially with the 'this article sumarizes' bits at the start of paragraphs
:In any case, thank you for the good work! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 08:46, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

==Why was my page deleted?==

I also see no notices or notifications in regard to this. I thought the whole point of this was for transparency? [[User:Slab Man|Slab Man]] ([[User talk:Slab Man|talk]]) 21:12, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

:From what I can tell you created the article with, other than the information from the form, just a couple of sentences containing an accusation without any citation or reference to support it. After around 12 hours, Mr Pollo added a deletion notice to the article, as there was virtually no information contained in the article. After a couple more days, as the article had not been edited or improved, it was deleted.
:I can't speak to the lack of notifications - usually whenever an article you've been involved in is edited, it will show up in your inbox in the top right of the screen. It's possible that the full deletion of the article resulted in it removing the notifications; I'm not exactly sure of how that interaction works [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 23:01, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
::Well I planned to add more details and citations when I had time. It can't be a draft/work in progress? You have to write everything in one go? [[User:Slab Man|Slab Man]] ([[User talk:Slab Man|talk]]) 04:44, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
:::The wiki generally expects an article to have at least a few references and all of the template parts at least partially filled in within the first few days of an article's creation. [[User:JamesTDG|JamesTDG]] ([[User talk:JamesTDG|talk]]) 05:59, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
:::I'll second what James said, and also add that it's possible to create draft pages within your user space. You do this by adding 'user:[yourname]/' to the start of the page name. This keeps it out of mainspace, meaning it is not searchable by the main search bar.
:::Currently this policy you've encountered is unwritten, so I'll add it to the moderator guidelines shortly. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 06:30, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
::::Noted. It would be great if there was a regular draft function like in almost every software. (So this doesn’t happen to other new users after their first contribution.) Honestly, after you deleted it, it felt like my contribution is unwanted. [[User:Slab Man|Slab Man]] ([[User talk:Slab Man|talk]]) 04:31, 21 August 2025 (UTC)
:::::That's fair enough - we should add some more text to the article creation flow which explains how user space works, how to make a draft article, and what the policy for handling new articles is. If you'd like, I can get the text from the deleted article and put it on your user talk page or something so you can pick it up from where you left off? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 10:37, 21 August 2025 (UTC)
::::::Thank you that would be great. Looking forward to helping out! [[User:Slab Man|Slab Man]] ([[User talk:Slab Man|talk]]) 18:32, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

==Interenet Archive stub notice seems badly placed==

Hi @[[User:Keith|Keith]], the stub notice on [[Internet Archive]] seems to be after the lead section and not before it. Can you please fix this? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:40, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

:Done! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 08:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

==Question about re-use of sources for LiveView Article==

Hey Keith,

I noticed that for the [[LiveView Technologies AI Surveillance]] article, the same source has been re-used multiple times but shows up with a different citation number. Namely the citations number 6,32, and 33 are duplicates of 4 (LVT Use Cases in Law Enforcement), 14 is a duplicate of 5 (AI-Driven Mobile Security for Every Threat), 35 is a duplicate of 8 (Fusion Centers), and 21 is a duplicate of 20 (Mobile cameras deployed at Monroe County Office Building amid security concerns)

Also the links are missing the archive URLs in the references and some don't have author first and last name or date where they are available on the site or the date is incorrect.

I have a version of the article which shrinks the list of references (citation 33 is now a re-use of citation 4 for that section for example) and also has the relevant archive links and names and dates for each reference where possible.

Should I commit the change? I know that this article may be looked at be people very soon and I'd rather get your approval to change it and have you ready to roll-back or append to it in case you don't like it. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 18:47, 26 August 2025 (UTC)

:I think I'm going to commit the change now, you're free to revert it or check it over in case I messed something up. In the event this article is mentioned at City hall on Thursday, I want it to be the best it can be.
:Thank you for helping with the wiki. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 19:03, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you! and yeah, if you notice small formating issues (especially with an article louis has been working on :P ) just go ahead and make the change - that's the way of the wiki! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:41, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
:::Small formatting issues or other non-obvious things like referencing problems* [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:41, 26 August 2025 (UTC)

==Proposal to add a section for organized meetings. (might be a better name for this)==

Hey Keith, I hope I'm not posting here again too early.

I thought about how every time Louis wants to generate interest for a particular issue with regards to getting viewers to organize, most of the time he has to do a video on it and these calls for organization when fighting for a particular issue (such as LVT tomorrow) are based in the United States.

I don't know if this already exists on the wiki (if it does, i'd like to know where it is), but do you think it would be a good idea to create a page specifically for posting the dates and instructions for showing up to demonstrations or hearings for the purposes of pushing back against anti-consumer or anti-privacy related issues? (This could be world-wide).

If someone from the UK for example wanted to organize a demonstration or have people speak at or attend an open council meeting, they would edit a row of a wiki table and list the time of the demonstration, an additional page describing the instructions or requirements to attend, and the issue that will be talked about (similar to rossmanngroup.com/clippyone).

I feel that with something like this, organizing both members of the public and members of the wiki regardless of country would be much easier and could provide a centralized and updated list of upcoming events based on user submission and moderator approval.

Let me know what you think about something like this when you're free to reply, I'd like to hear your thoughts in addition to anyone else who sees this and wants to talk about it. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 17:11, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

:It's definitely on the edge of what makes sense here, but I think that it's worth considering as it could well be useful. Might be something that will end up being done through FULU though in the end... maybe some kind of 'events noticeboard' a bit like the moderator notice could work? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 20:25, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
::An "events noticeboard" in the way you describe it with moderation is exactly what I was thinking. You're right about how it should be done through FULU directly instead of the wiki, that's a better idea.
::Thanks for your input, I appreciate it. I was just wondering if it was a completely off-the-wall idea. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 23:16, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

==BT article==

Hello Keith, remember [[BT's Digital Voice service in the UK isn't good for the Elderly|this article]]? I pinged you 16 days ago but it seems that it didn’t work and I’ve forgotten about it since. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 19:27, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

:Thanks for the reminder! as we were both in agreement, I removed the article. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 06:48, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

==Privacy notice change==

Hello Keith, I was looking through things in the Mediawiki namespace to see how backend works, when I noticed the [[Mediawiki:Footer-privacy-notice]] page and it reminded me of [[Talk:Main Page#stating "Recently updated" not particularly helpful|this on the main page]]. Can we change it quickly or does it need to be done backend? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:37, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

:We're going to do a policy update and a full review of that stuff when we update the backend tomorrow, so I'll make sure it's handled [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:01, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

==Protect Template:Welcome==

Hello, am contacting you directly as I think it is the best way to make this happen, but PLEASE protect Template:Welcome, I doubt we'll get vandalism on there but if we do and it sends a message with it we're done for... [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:06, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

:Oh, also can you make the bot substitute (make the template not change on that page even after it gets updated) the templates for the sake of preservation of the page? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:08, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks @[[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] for getting that first one!
::I think I get what you mean re. the substitution, but have no idea how to do it. Will look into it [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:30, 14 October 2025 (UTC)
:Done. Thanks for bringing it up! I'm not sure about your second question though, so I'll leave that to Keith. [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 18:26, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
::Second one is complicated, but the first one is the only important one. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:39, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

==Is it fine for me to get an alternate account?==

Edit: Have no clue why I'd need this in practice, so forget about it. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:33, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

:no worries. In answer to your question, as long as we're notified, and there are no sockpuppetry shenanigans, then the answer is yes. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:39, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

==Do you mind if I use AutoWikiBrowser on the CRW?==

Hello, I recently heard about a tool called [[wikipedia:WP:AWB|AutoWikiBrowser]] which is a semi-automated tool meant to help for repetitive smaller edits which I do a lot, do you mind if I use it and if you don't mind, should I use an alternate account for it (maybe with 'bot flag' even though it's not a bot so it doesn't show??) Edit: Also, the page to get this, [[Special:BotPasswords|BotPasswords]], lets you change grants for people/things with the password, so is it okay to let people/things with the password edit protected pages (for things like typo-fixing Project namespace pages)? It is risky if it is obtained.[[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:23, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

:Happy for you to use that! sounds like a great tool. No strong opinions on whetehr you make a separate account for it [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:11, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
::On the passwords front, I'm not sure how exactly that works. Does it give you the ability to use your own account via API? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:14, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
:::Yes, botpasswords is pretty much that. It lets you change permissions too, so I can give it only specific permissions for safety reasons. Also, as for the ‘seperate account thing’ Botpasswords (the one that I can use) gives me a new account anyway so there’s no reason for it, just me misunderstanding the usage. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 14:16, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
::::Cool, that sounds fine then! do you need me to do anything to get it set up? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:20, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::No, I’ll do it myself when I next get a chance on my PC (without any special perms as I don’t know why I’d need that!) [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 14:21, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

==Found Large Amount of 404 links for flock article==

Page link: [[Flock license plate readers]]

Hey Keith,

I was checking the sources in the above article and noticed that for a large section of it, the sources will lead directly to pages which either don't exist or result in 404. I really hope that this is just a problem on my end and isn't really the case. Below is the complete list of all sources I found that lead to 404'd pages. On the actual article page, I have also marked the following with the status of usurped for the time being.

{| class="wikitable"
|+
!Ref #

!Title

!Issue

!Archive state

!Link

|-
|20
|"How Vehicle Fingerprint Technology Works"
|404
|no archive
|
https://www.flocksafety.com/resources/how-vehicle-fingerprint-technology-works
|-
|21
|
"License Plate Surveillance Company Can Now Capture Images of Vehicle Occupants' Faces"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://www.404media.co/flock-safety-can-now-capture-faces-of-vehicle-occupants/
|-
|
22
|
"Transforming Flock: Beyond License Plate Reading to Deliver Greater Insights for Solving Crime"
|
404
|
no archive
|

https://www.flocksafety.com/newsroom/transforming-flock-beyond-license-plate-reading-to-deliver-greater-insights-for-solving-crime/
|-
|
24
|
"Atlas of Surveillance: Flock Safety"
|
goes to deeplinks blog, but no article
|
no archive
|
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/04/atlas-surveillance-flock-safety
|-
|
25
|
"Leaders of a Beautiful Struggle v. Baltimore Police Department"
|
404
|no archive
|

https://www.eff.org/cases/leaders-beautiful-struggle-v-baltimore-police-department
|-
|
26
|
"Carpenter and the Evolving Fourth Amendment"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://www.law.georgetown.edu/american-criminal-law-review/wp-content/uploads/sites/15/2023/01/60-1-Carpenter-and-the-Evolving-Fourth-Amendment.pdf
|-
|
27
|
"Leaders of a Beautiful Struggle v. Baltimore Police Department"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67689711/leaders-of-a-beautiful-struggle-v-baltimore-police-department/
|-
|28
|
"Illinois Compiled Statutes - Freedom from Drone Surveillance Act"
|
404
|
no archive
|

https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs3.asp?ActID=3541&ChapterID=53
|-
|
29
|
"RSA 236:130 Automated License Plate Recognition"
|
potential 404
|
no archive
|
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XXI/236/236-130.htm
|-
|
32
|
"Surveillance firm provided ICE access to license plate reader systems"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jul/15/flock-safety-ice-license-plate-reader
|-
|
33
|
"How Flock Safety is Building a Surveillance Network for ICE"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/03/flock-safety-and-ice
|-
|
34
|
"ICE Surveillance of Immigrants and Advocates"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://americanoversight.org/investigation/ice-surveillance-of-immigrants-and-advocates/
|-
|
35
|
"ACLU Obtains Records Showing ICE Using License Plate Readers in Sanctuary Cities"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://www.aclunc.org/news/aclu-obtains-records-showing-ice-using-license-plate-readers-sanctuary-cities
|-
|
36
|
"License Plate Readers Are Creating a US-Wide Database of More Than Just Cars"
|404
|no archive
|
https://www.vice.com/en/article/license-plate-readers-abortion-clinics-texas
|-
|37
|"Reproductive Surveillance in Post-Roe America"
|404
|no archive
|https://www.surveillancewatch.io/reproductive-surveillance-post-roe/
|-
|38
|"State Shield Laws and Reproductive Privacy"
|dead site
|no archive
|https://reproductiverights.gov/shield-laws/
|-
|39
|"Flock Safety Employees Caught Misusing Access to Surveillance Network"
|404
|no archive
|https://www.wired.com/story/flock-safety-employees-misuse-access/
|-
|40
|"Audit Reveals Hundreds of Flock Safety Privacy Violations"
|404
|no archive
|https://www.techdirt.com/2024/05/15/audit-reveals-hundreds-of-flock-safety-privacy-violations/
|-
|41
|"When License Plate Readers Become Tools for Stalking"
|404
|no archive
|https://apnews.com/article/license-plate-readers-police-misuse-stalking
|-
|42
|"Detroit Officer Fired for Using City Cameras to Track Ex-Wife"
|404
|no archive
|https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/detroit-city/2024/03/officer-fired-tracking-ex-wife/
|-
|43
|"Proactive Security Disclosure Q2 2025"
|404
|no archive
|https://www.flocksafety.com/blog/proactive-security-disclosure-q2-2025
|}
If you discover no issues (or the formatting of this table turns out horrible and breaks your talk page), disregard this and remove my topic from your page. And revert the change I made to the article where I marked the mentioned links as usurped.

Hopefully if these sites really lead to nothing and it's not just me, then the table makes it easy for you to do something. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 02:52, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

:Had a bit of a dig and my suspicion, expecially since these references are all next to each other, is that there was probably some AI chicanery in the making of the article.
:Seem to be poitentially based on real pages, e.g. this one:
:https://www.eff.org/document/fourth-circuit-ruling-leaders-beautiful-struggle-v-baltimore-police-department
:is probably meant to be #25 instead of what is currently there
:I'd recommend sticking this table on the Flock talk page (if you haven't already) and letting people know they might need to look for what these links are meant to be [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:19, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
::I went ahead and added the table to the discussion tab. Should there be a notice at the top of the Flock page to make people aware? Or leave it as is? [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 17:42, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
:::Nevermind about the notice. The references were small enough to not need them for the most part. I started working on fixing some of them [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 18:30, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

==Oversighted something==

Hello, Keith! I just wanted to let you know I just gave myself the 'suppressor' user right as I oversighted what I think could be your IP address for privacy reasons. The info is at [[Special:Diff/805]]. If it isn't your IP address, feel free to revert what I just did. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 11:32, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

:I think it might have been (though very good chance it was some temp VPN/mobile IP address). In any case, thank you for spotting it! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 12:09, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

==being able to edit Discussions==

hey so I just discovered I can edit discussions. not only mine but any1 elses. is this an oversight? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 20:23, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

:Not sure - might just be how wikis are (given that edit logs are public, it's pretty easy to combat anyone trying to abuse it, same as with article vandalism)
:I'll page in @[[User:UntoK|UntoK]] in case it's something that isn't how it should be [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 23:13, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
::Nah, that's MediaWiki. Nothing unusual there. Edit Source is actually the default way to edit discussions in MediaWiki, but the interface is changed by an extension (forgot the name), so that it shows as this instead of just the edit source button. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:37, 5 December 2025 (UTC)
:::dk y I didn't notice that b4. I've been on and off w contribs so thought smth changed since my last visit. anyhow thanks for clearing up the concern. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:00, 8 December 2025 (UTC)

=="fixing" recent changes==

since the introduction of [[Template:Welcome]], [[Special:RecentChanges]] has become a graveyard of User:Talks that I have to sift through in order to double check people's work. can we please block [[User:New_user_message]] from showing up on there?

edit: the bot bypasses the "Human (not bot) active filter
[[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 22:12, 26 December 2025 (UTC)

:yeah, that's a localsettings.php part that Keith can pass on to Unto. setting $wgNewUserSuppressRC to true should work. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:50, 1 January 2026 (UTC)
::as a temp fix, [https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Special:RecentChanges?hidebots=1&namespace=3&invert=1&limit=100&days=7&enhanced=1&urlversion=2 this] should work [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:54, 1 January 2026 (UTC)
:::legend. thank you [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 18:43, 1 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Hi @[[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] - took a bit of a break over the holidays so sorry for not replying. I'll contact Unto and see if he can take a look [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:12, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::Fair enough! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:49, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::any update? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 17:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I've put Unto on it but no update. I'll chase him [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:30, 13 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Darth Sidious says "do it". [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:36, 14 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::any update? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 23:08, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I think it's been fixed? I don't see New User Message clogging up the feed anymore [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:54, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I certainly remember that we tried to fix it, and I think it seemed to work [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:54, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::oh... I was using ACRP's temp fix so I did not realize and thought it was still broken lol [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:06, 1 March 2026 (UTC)

==*sigh*==

Where are the projects (again)? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:04, 19 January 2026 (UTC)

:deja vu? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 18:42, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
::[[Consumer_Rights_Wiki_talk:Moderators%27_noticeboard#*sigh*|oh]] [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 18:48, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
:::LOL, made me chuckle seeing your replies! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:55, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
::::hey as a wise man once said "if you are good at something, never do it for free". that'll be $5 my friend [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:05, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::yeah, replied on the noticeboard, but just adding here - I think an update must have broken it. have contacted Unto [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 01:07, 20 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] @[[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] Fixed! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:52, 20 January 2026 (UTC)

==sorry for the ping==

I used the intro text from [[Texas Attorney General sues multiple TV makers over ACR user data collection]] to add to the Incidents section for each of the mentioned companies. In the edit summary I linked you. Ik that @ and [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 22:33, 21 January 2026 (UTC) ping the user but idk abt linking. regardless sorry abt the pings

:th happened here? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 22:34, 21 January 2026 (UTC)
::No worries! I don't think @s in edit summaries cause pings anyway [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 22:37, 21 January 2026 (UTC)

==alternative to Discord==

I don't use Discord. many members of the wiki don't use Discord. can't talk on their behalf but I can mine. if there was a Matrix or heck Signal gc (lol), I'd love to be a part of it. are there any plans for migration off Discord or perhaps providing w an alternative they'd be more comfortable with? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:32, 23 January 2026 (UTC)

:We're hoping to get a Zulip bridge with the Discord in the next couple of months. This would allow people to essentially join the Discord without joining the Discord, with the exception of a couple of features like bot commands and voice channels. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 08:19, 24 January 2026 (UTC)
::lovely looking forward to it [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 09:44, 24 January 2026 (UTC)
:::is the Zulip bridge still under consideration following the impending age verification push in March? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 23:07, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
::::I've not heard of Zulip but it sounds like some sort of proxy? I'd prefer something like Matrix but that seems great too. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:44, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Zulip is a bit like a matrix/discord-y thing, and we'd use plugins to essentially crosspost everything that's sent to it to the discord and vice versa. It's still coming along but I've been crap and haven't got the server paid up yet. will try and do this next week and we can hopefully get it up shortly. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:45, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Just in case yous hadn't noticed it on the main page @[[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] @[[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]], we're moving our monthly hangout meetings from discord to zoom so as to include more of the community, and you're both welcome to join! first one is at 20:00 UTC tomorrow. if you pop me an email over to help@consumerrights.wiki, I'll send you the zoom link (son't want to posted publicly for obvious reasons) [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:50, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I've seen that, I'm not interested in joining though. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:21, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::oh I totally missed that. I'll shoot over an email and add it to my calendar but dk if I'll be able to join. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:09, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Apologies for not seeing this sooner - I'll send over a link just now! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:34, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Hi, any update on the Zulip bridge? Sorry for asking after such a short time but I'd really like to use it! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:24, 5 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Keith|Keith]] any update still? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 12:44, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Jake's on it - we've been going back and forth over whether to have a managed instance or self hosted - sry for the kerfuffle! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:34, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

==Can you help moving my page==

Sorry I said this 3 times or more, I got confused, can you move please, I moved it in wrong place, may I ask should I ask here instead of the pages I placed [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 21:23, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

:Thank you but should I create it in the user page just to clarify [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 21:34, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
::Don't want to be nuisance that all when doing my article [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 21:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I've replied on your user page - think it should be alright now? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 21:38, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
::::your user talk page* [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 21:38, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

==Adding categories==

Hello, please don't add categories in the visual editor as it doesn't work, instead simply type <code><nowiki>[[Category:CATEGORYNAME]]</nowiki></code> and replace CATEGORYNAME with the name of the category, otherwise it won't work. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:57, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:Apologies, thank you! I usually use source but I think there I just hit 'edit' by accident as was trying to set it up quickly. just so you know, I've replied to stefan's questions on the page he moved - thank you for moving the page he created! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 17:31, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

==Regarding a recent article I created==

Hello, Keith! I have finally decided to become a contributor here. The article I've been working on is [[Happy Bar & Grill Biometric Surveillance]]. However, when someone I've sent the link to opens it, they see the version that was last updated before I created my profile. What could be causing this? I apologise for any lack of knowledge on my part. [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 18:23, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:Unfortunately this is a problem with cloudflare's caching. If you wait a short while, or they log in, they should see the updated version. We've found a solution and will be shipping it with the next version of the wiki so that page edits are instantly reflected in cached versions of pages. Until then, it's just a case of waiting a while or logging in (logging in bypasses the cache as it needs to load user-specific elements). Great work on the article by the way! Just as a heads up, we're happy to have sources in non-english languages, so if you find any Bulgarian sources discussing it, those would be great to add to the article to demonstrate notability. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 18:42, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::Oops, apparently I was spreading misinformation on the internet regarding the exact reasons for it not being cached, but the gist is still the same, which is that logged-in users bypass the cache! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 18:48, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::Thank you for the swift reply and the explanation! It's so refreshing to see people working hard and helping others for a good cause. Also very happy to hear that you like how the article has turned out so far. I've extensively searched for any other sources regarding the issue, but found nothing. I guess someone has to start the discussion! :D
::Just to confirm: is the wiki English-only? I'd love to make the article more accessible to my compatriots, but I suppose I'll just tell them to use the automatic translation option on their browser. [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 21:05, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The wiki is english only yeah, for moderation purposes (we don't have a team that's reliably able to check the quality of non-english articles). if you wanted, though, we'd be happy for you to put a bulgarian version in your user space (i.e. the page lives at consumerrights.wiki/w/User:Juuns/[pagename]) - just make sure to put a note in english at the top so that none of the mods mistake it for a spam article! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 22:48, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Hey there, thanks for the advice! Is that alright? https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Iw/User:Juuns/%D0%91%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%BE_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BB%D1%8E%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%B2_Happy_Bar_%26_Grill_-_bg_translation_of_an_existing_article/&veaction=edit [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 08:35, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Yep! The URL looks cursed written out like that lol but it's in the right place [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:24, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Hello again, Keith!
::::::I and the small team I've created have made huge progress regarding the surveillance situation at Happy Bar and Dinner. We posted the wiki on the r/bulgaria subreddit, and it topped the daily chart in less than three hours. People are outraged.
::::::I've managed to contact an advocate from the opposition here who agreed to share the wiki on her Facebook page (over 10,000 followers). She also agreed to work with me to make the topic go viral and will send this to other human rights and anti-mafia activists in Bulgaria. We've planned to create several videos in various forms regarding the issue.
::::::I am writing with a big request that would be extremely beneficial to my cause and the wiki: Could you contact Louis Rossmann and share the wiki with him? Alternatively, you could connect him to me so I can tell him more about it.
::::::I understand this is a big request, but I would be very thankful for your help :) [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 18:43, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That's great! I've passed the info on, and will let you know the response
:::::::This is exactly how I've been hoping to see the wiki be used, so I'm really excited that it's getting picked up! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:20, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Hello again, Keith. Things are spreading like wildfire and are getting very heated. An official position from Happy Bar & Grill has been released. They are aggressively denying the claims, but their statement actually contains several contradictions that validate my research rather than disprove it.
::::::::In their official position, Happy Bar & Grill claims to have already notified the wiki's administrators (you and Rossmann, I suppose), issuing what they describe as a "categorical demand" for the removal of all alleged misinformation within a 24-hour ultimatum. Could you confirm if such a notice was received? A corporation issuing a 24-hour take-down ultimatum to an independent documentation project before any independent audit or regulatory investigation has taken place is simply outrageous.
::::::::Some of the main points I wanted to cover:
::::::::First, there is a major timeline discrepancy. Happy claims they received an offer from GI Mobility Services (linked to IP Biometrix? I cannot find any information about them, and other people have come up with nothing as well) in 2023 and officially rejected it on 14 December 2023. However, my archived evidence from IP Biometrix's portfolio shows a screenshot dated 9 November 2024—almost a year after they claim to have rejected the proposal. If they truly rejected the system in 2023, why does the vendor's portfolio display active implementation data from late 2024? Why was the article on their page until 2026? Also, there was an image displaying logos of partner companies still on IP Biometrix's page until 11 March 2026. They took that down just a few hours! This suggests either the system was further tested despite the rejection, or their timeline is fabricated to cover ongoing processing. My main hypothesis right now is that GI Mobility Services is the old version of IP Biometrix. IP Biometrix is a very new company, established at the end of 2023, just around the time of the implied rejected proposal.
::::::::Second, their statement completely omits any mention of "Burrata Italiana," despite it being owned by the same group. Is this supposed to be implied? My evidence specifically identifies the biometric dashboard screenshots as originating from the Burrata Italiana location in Varna.
::::::::Third, the article on Boulevard Bulgaria (one of the most shared articles regarding the topic), in my eyes, appears to be paid or ordered content, mirroring Happy's language almost verbatim without independent verification. It is even on their top page (archived here: https://web.archive.org/web/20260312235007/https://boulevardbulgaria.bg/). Meanwhile, they are attempting to discredit consumerrights.wiki by calling it an unverified anonymous wiki. THIS ATTACKS THE INTEGRITY OF THE WHOLE PLATFORM! I must stand firm that I am NOT spreading misinformation; I am documenting archived vendor evidence and public records. For the past couple of hours, I have made as many archives as possible for any news articles, blogs, and information regarding this.
::::::::They are trying to suppress the discussion before it has begun, but I believe it's too late. Many people have already shared this on social media and are also quite sceptical of Happy's response. A deeper dive into IP Biometrix as a whole is needed to check whether other companies also use such a system. They are very shady; they have many other "partners." They are the main issue. I will try to update the page with their denial as soon as possible, but contextualise it with these contradictions so readers see the full picture.
::::::::For your reference, here are some of the key articles circulating regarding this situation:
::::::::Post in r/bulgaria: Where it all started. After this thread was made, this issue gained massive traction in no time, featuring thousands of views and hundreds of comments from concerned citizens, topping the weekly chart in less than 24 hours: https://www.reddit.com/r/bulgaria/comments/1rqxn90/%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8_%D0%B7%D0%B0_%D1%81%D1%8A%D0%B1%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%B1%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%B8_%D0%B4%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B8_%D0%B2_%D1%85%D0%B5%D0%BF%D0%B8/
::::::::Boulevard Bulgaria: This article mirrors the official corporate release almost verbatim and lacks independent verification. It appears to be coordinated PR rather than journalism: https://boulevardbulgaria.bg/articles/happy-tvardeniyata-che-verigata-sledi-klientite-si-s-ai-kameri-sa-absolyutno-neverni
::::::::Mobile Bulgaria: General news coverage discussing the allegations and the company's response. https://mobilebulgaria.com/news/izpolzva-li-happy-bar-grill-litsevo-razpoznavane-s-ai-v-restorantite-si
::::::::Kaldata: Technical analysis and reporting on the AI camera systems in restaurants and the company's response. https://www.kaldata.com/it-%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B8/ai-%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8-%D0%B2-%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5-%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B0-%D0%B7%D0%B0-%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B7-650764.html
::::::::Other useful information:
::::::::IP Biometrix: Their current website shows no information or response regarding the events. https://ip-biometrix.com/
::::::::Confirmation that this is indeed "Burrata Italiana Varna" in Varna, Bulgaria: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Burrata+Italiana+Varna/@43.1962014,27.9154998,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m6!3m5!1s0x40a453f66ec877b1:0x1331c25a3c536926!8m2!3d43.1962014!4d27.9180747!16s%2Fg%2F11js3ffhz7?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI2MDMxMS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D; [[:File:AI Surveillance Dashboard.png]]
::::::::There are other outlets covering this as well, but these are the primary sources needed. I am disgusted by Happy's answer and Boulevard Bulgaria's PR-like article. Please inform Louis to check the email I've sent about this issue; I've formulated all the needed information there. I am furious. [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 01:15, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Crucial note: While the filename indicates November 2024, this date relies on the vendor's naming convention and cannot be forensically verified. Additionally, there is another screenshot in the article from that same date (Screenshot-2024-11-09-121619.png), which may indicate that the screenshots were made when the article was posted rather than during live operation." [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 02:27, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Unfortunately, I cannot dedicate unlimited time to maintaining and updating this page alone given the rapid developments. I would greatly appreciate any help regarding that. :) [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 02:34, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::yep, we've recieved it alright. I'm reworking the article a bit at the moment, to ensure that it's a bit more neutral, fits our editorial policies etc., and does not make any original claims beyond those contained in sources. My current understanding is that there is no evidence that the system has been deployed at scale, as such I'm moving/renaming the article and rewording some of the content.
:::::::::I'd appreciate if you could keep your bg translation up-to-date with the changes made to the english article (or find someone who is able to do so) to make sure that it's in-line as well. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 07:08, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I've edited and added as much context as I could to both articles for now. I'm going to take a little break for the rest of the day. Thanks a lot for your support and dedication to this issue and the wiki as a whole. Talk to you soon! [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 09:56, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Lastly for now, could you move the translation to change the title? Разработка на биометричен инструмент за наблюдение на Happy Bar & Grill/Burrata. I suggest specifying Burrata in the English version as well, as we have implication from the company's response that the screenshot of the monitoring is real and not fabricated (pleas read their official response thoroughly before doing anything). [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 10:03, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::update on the above - i fucked up my original edit I was referring to in the above comment, and for some reason it didn't get committed to the article. I've re-made it now. it basically walks back some of the claims where the article was making strong inferences and interpretations of what the sources were saying, to ensure that we're not speculating (given the nature of the site as a wiki, we should not generally be doing original interpretation of sources in articles, especially where they relate to practices carried out by a company)
::::::::::::I read a translation of the statement (seems like the full version is posted to MobileBulgaria) and have been basing my understanding on that. feel free to come back to me if I've misinterpreted it to a significant extent [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 07:47, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

==Stub Pains==

Hey Keith,

I'm way out of my depth here with these stub notices, I added a stub to two new articles I made not realizing they would literally prevent my ability to add any text to the article.

links: [[AirPods Connection Vulnerability]] | [[AirPods Max Moisture Issue]]

When I attempt to make a change to the article, I was getting a stub deletion error. If I did something wrong, would you be able to explain what exactly happened with this so it doesn't happen again? [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 06:55, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

:(IN CASE YOU COULDN'T NOTICE, I'M NOT KEITH!) This is a common issue that users have had for a very long time now. If you edit anywhere before or on the line of the stub notice, something called the abuse filter says "nope, lol, nice try" and blocks the edit. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:18, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
::Should work now. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
:Ah, I think I did the same thing as ACRP, but the stub notices are now on their own line and not touching anything else, so there shouldn't be any further issues [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:30, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

==Publicising RfCs==

Hello, the RfCs you made haven't gotten any attention. Should we publicise them better? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:34, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

:Yeah, I'll set up some kind of hub that includes pages with the RfC category or something. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:23, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
::ok, I made a category for open and closed RfCs, transcluded them on a page, and linked to it from the policy index. idk if there's anywhere else it should be? I guess it's probably worth mentioning on some of the guide-y pages [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:44, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

==Arbys article weird ref issue==

[[Arby's]]

hey keith, when I look at the arby's article, it says in the references, ref goes here, but then when I try to edit it out, it goes away. is there any way to fix this? If you figure out a way, I'd love to know. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 16:09, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

:That ref is caused by [[Template:Ph-C-Int]]. Remove that and the ref will disappear as well. You can't delete the ref without deleting the box. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 09:39, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
::Thank you for the help, I've replaced the box with a simple message to do the summary. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 02:46, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

Talk:Happy Bar & Grill biometric surveillance tool development

2026-03-14T07:34:52Z

Keith: /* A note on this article's history */ new section

== A note on this article's history ==

Originally this article contained a number of claims which were based on the authors' inference from sources, rather than being directly supported by the references. These claims have been removed under the No Original Research rule, and the article has been rewritten to avoid over-interpretation of its sources. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 07:34, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

Happy Bar & Grill biometric surveillance tool development

2026-03-14T07:31:41Z

Keith: fixed garbled sentence

Happy Bar & Grill, a Bulgarian restaurant chain, faced public backlash surrounding the discovery of a vendor product page for an AI facial recognition system which had been developed by IP Biometrix, that biometrically profiles customers and had been designed for use in Happy Bar & Grill restaurants. The system appeared to have the capability to track physical attributes, infers ethnicity categories, and analyses emotional states of customers, as well as monitor the amount of time employees spent smiling.<ref name="ip-biometrix" /> Narru, the parent company of Happy Bar & Grill, later acknowledged considering procurement of the system in late 2023 before rejecting it on 14 December 2023, and asserted that the system was never deployed in any of their restaurants.<ref name="mobilebulgaria" />

==Background==
Happy Bar & Grill is a Bulgarian restaurant chain operating multiple locations across Bulgaria, Romania, Spain, and the United Kingdom.<ref name="happy-bg" /> According to an official statement released in 12 March 2026, the chain received an offer for an AI-powered facial recognition system from Bulgarian security vendor IP Biometrix in 2023. The company stated the system was assessed between September and December 2023<ref name="burrata-bg" /> before being officially rejected on 14 December 2023.<ref name="happy-statement" /> Archived evidence from IP Biometrix's portfolio displays data seemingly taken from a restaurant, though whether this represents live deployment or the use of prerecorded training data is unknown. <ref name="ip-biometrix" />

==Biometric surveillance capabilities==
[[File:Customer Analysis Report.png|thumb|300px|''Demographic Data (Age and Gender distribution) generated by the AI facial recognition system'']]
IP Biometrix's portfolio page describes the system processing both employees and customers. A sample image shows multiple individuals labelled as "Subject 6053," "6054," and "6055" with extensive biometric attributes tracked. Displayed percentages (e.g., ethnicity scores) appear to represent AI confidence levels regarding specific selected individuals, rather than aggregate counts of demographics within the venue.<ref name="ip-biometrix" /> Tracked attributes include:

*Physical features: glasses, dark glasses, beard, moustache, blink, mouth open, mask presence, "face quality"
*Ethnicity classifications: white, black, Asian, Hispanic, Indian, Arabian
*Emotional states: neutral, anger, contempt, disgust, fear, and others

IP Biometrix's portfolio page was captured by the Internet Archive on 2 January 2026. Demonstration images within the portfolio contain filenames dated to at least 9 November 2024 (e.g., "Screenshot-2024-11-09-120029.png"), however the images may have been prepared at an earlier time.<ref name="ip-biometrix" />

Patrons entering Happy Bar & Grill received no visible signage at entrances or within dining areas informing them that their facial biometrics were being captured, analysed, or stored during the testing period{{CitationNeeded}}. Happy's published privacy policy makes no mention of facial recognition, biometric processing, or AI surveillance systems in restaurants.<ref name="happy-privacy" /> This is consistent with their representation that the system has never been deployed.

[[File:AI Surveillance Dashboard.png|thumb|center|500px|''Real-Time Biometric Profiling of Customers (Subjects 6053–6055), Including Ethnicity Inference and Emotion Detection (Burrata Italiana Varna, Varna, Bulgaria)'']]
==Legal context==
Under the EU General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR), facial recognition constitutes processing of biometric data—a "special category" of personal data requiring explicit consent or another narrow legal basis under Article 9.<ref name="gdpr-article9" /> Inferring ethnicity and emotional states triggers additional restrictions as these reveal "racial or ethnic origin" and constitute sensitive psychological profiling. The absence of transparent notice before data collection violates GDPR Articles 13–14, while processing customers' biometrics for staff performance monitoring lacks a proportionate legal basis under Articles 6 and 9.<ref name="gdpr-article9" /> Under Bulgarian national guidance, the Commission for Personal Data Protection (CPDP) has stated that processing biometric data in shops and restaurants for the purpose of analyzing customer behavior, gender, or age cannot be based on "legitimate interest." The CPDP emphasizes that placing information signs is insufficient to achieve "explicit consent."<ref name="cpdp-opinion" />

==Company's response==
On 12 March 2026, Happy Bar & Grill issued an official statement addressing the allegations. The company categorically denied current use of the system, stating that no such software or technology is currently used in Happy restaurants. They acknowledged receiving an offer from GI Mobility Services (linked to IP Biometrix) in 2023 and confirmed testing occurred between September and December 2023. The company stated they officially rejected the proposal on 14 December 2023, stating that the solution was unnecessary for their operations.<ref name="happy-statement" />

Narra contacted the administrators and hosting provider of the Consumer Rights Wiki, requesting a complete removal and retraction of the article<ref name="mobilebulgaria" /><ref>{{Cite web |last=Rossmann |first=Louis |date=2026-03-13 |title=Nice try... |url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2D7hdJF2AwU |url-status=live |access-date=2026-03-13 |website=YouTube}}</ref>. The article initially stated that evidence supported that widespread implementation of the system had occurred, however this has since been changed. IP Biometrix removed the portfolio page showcasing the Happy Bar & Grill implementation during a site renovation prior to March 2026. The content is now preserved through the Internet Archive's Wayback Machine capture from 2 January 2026.<ref name="ip-biometrix" />

==Community response==
Consumer awareness of the surveillance system gained traction on 11 March 2026, following a post on the subreddit r/bulgaria featuring the wiki page{{cite web|title=Biometric data collection cameras in Happy|url=https://www.reddit.com/r/bulgaria/comments/1rqxn90/%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8_%D0%B7%D0%B0_%D1%81%D1%8A%D0%B1%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%B1%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%B8_%D0%B4%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B8_%D0%B2_%D1%85%D0%B5%D0%BF%D0%B8/|access-date=14 March 2026}}, and the publication of a number of news articles<ref name="mobilebulgaria" /><ref name="happy-statement" /><ref name="kaldata" />. Much of the community response reflects the initial statements by this article that widespread deployment of the system had occurred.

Additional concerns have been raised following scrutiny of IP Biometrix's other projects, including camera systems at the University of National and World Economy (UNWE), and their list of partners, which was removed from their website{{CitationNeeded}}.
== References ==
<references>
<ref name="ip-biometrix">{{Cite web |title=Face recognition solution for Happy Bar & Grill |url=https://ip-biometrix.com/portfolio/happy-face-recognition/ |website=IP Biometrix |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20260102224149/https://ip-biometrix.com/portfolio/happy-face-recognition/ |archive-date=2 January 2026 |access-date=4 March 2026}}</ref>
<ref name="happy-bg">{{Cite web |title=Happy Bar & Grill |url=https://happy.bg/ |website=happy.bg |access-date=4 March 2026}}</ref>
<ref name="happy-privacy">{{Cite web |title=Privacy Policy |url=https://happy.bg/en/privacy_policy |website=happy.bg |access-date=4 March 2026}}</ref>
<ref name="happy-statement">{{Cite web |title=Official Statement regarding AI camera allegations |url=https://boulevardbulgaria.bg/articles/happy-tvardeniyata-che-verigata-sledi-klientite-si-s-ai-kameri-sa-absolyutno-neverni |archive-url=https://archive.ph/zdiAC |archive-date= 13 March 2026 |website=Boulevard Bulgaria |access-date=12 March 2026}}</ref>
<ref name="gdpr-article9">{{Cite web |title=Regulation (EU) 2016/679, Article 9 |url=https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2016/679/art_9/oj |publisher=EUR-Lex |access-date=4 March 2026}}</ref>
<ref name="cpdp-opinion">{{Cite web |title=Statement of the CPDP regarding the use of video surveillance with biometric data |url=https://cpdp.bg/%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%89%D0%B5-%D0%BD%D0%B0-%D0%BA%D0%B7%D0%BB%D0%B4-%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BD%D0%BE-%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B7%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5-2/ |website=cpdp.bg |access-date=11 March 2026}}</ref>
<ref name="burrata-bg">{{Cite web |title=Burrata Italiana - About |url=https://burrata.bg/about |website=burrata.bg |access-date=11 March 2026}}</ref>
<ref name="kaldata">{{Cite web |title=AI cameras in restaurants? A facial recognition and emotion analysis system in a popular Bulgarian chain raises serious questions |url=https://www.kaldata.com/it-%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B8/ai-%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8-%D0%B2-%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5-%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B0-%D0%B7%D0%B0-%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B7-650764.html |author=Zhelev, Svetlin |date=12 March 2026 |website=kaldata.com |access-date=13 March 2026}}</ref>
<ref name="mobilebulgaria">{{Cite web |title=Facial recognition with AI monitors customers and employees in Happy restaurants? (Updated with an opinion from the company) |url=https://mobilebulgaria.com/news/izpolzva-li-happy-bar-grill-litsevo-razpoznavane-s-ai-v-restorantite-si |author=Behar, Mikhail |date=12 March 2026 |website=mobilebulgaria.com |access-date=13 March 2026}}</ref>
</references>
[[Category:2026 incidents]]

Happy Bar & Grill biometric surveillance tool development

2026-03-14T07:27:52Z

Keith: somehow the edit i tried to make yesterday got swallowed - I've recreated it now - sorry for any mess caused! This is a large edit pulling back the claims to only what is supported by the sources i.e. not outright claiming that the system has been used. also removed a bit of editorialisation around the tracked attributes. also used mobile bulgaria citation for the ones about the company's statement, as they've published it in full

Happy Bar & Grill, a Bulgarian restaurant chain, faced public backlash following the discovery of a regarding an AI facial recognition system that biometrically profiles customers. The system, developed by vendor IP Biometrix, had the capability to track physical attributes, infers ethnicity categories, and analyses emotional states of customers, as well as monitor the amount of time employees spent smiling.<ref name="ip-biometrix" /> Narru, the parent company of Happy Bar & Grill, later acknowledged considering procurement of the system in late 2023 before rejecting it on 14 December 2023, and asserted that the system was never deployed in any of their restaurants.<ref name="mobilebulgaria" />

==Background==
Happy Bar & Grill is a Bulgarian restaurant chain operating multiple locations across Bulgaria, Romania, Spain, and the United Kingdom.<ref name="happy-bg" /> According to an official statement released in 12 March 2026, the chain received an offer for an AI-powered facial recognition system from Bulgarian security vendor IP Biometrix in 2023. The company stated the system was assessed between September and December 2023<ref name="burrata-bg" /> before being officially rejected on 14 December 2023.<ref name="happy-statement" /> Archived evidence from IP Biometrix's portfolio displays data seemingly taken from a restaurant, though whether this represents live deployment or the use of prerecorded training data is unknown. <ref name="ip-biometrix" />

==Biometric surveillance capabilities==
[[File:Customer Analysis Report.png|thumb|300px|''Demographic Data (Age and Gender distribution) generated by the AI facial recognition system'']]
IP Biometrix's portfolio page describes the system processing both employees and customers. A sample image shows multiple individuals labelled as "Subject 6053," "6054," and "6055" with extensive biometric attributes tracked. Displayed percentages (e.g., ethnicity scores) appear to represent AI confidence levels regarding specific selected individuals, rather than aggregate counts of demographics within the venue.<ref name="ip-biometrix" /> Tracked attributes include:

*Physical features: glasses, dark glasses, beard, moustache, blink, mouth open, mask presence, "face quality"
*Ethnicity classifications: white, black, Asian, Hispanic, Indian, Arabian
*Emotional states: neutral, anger, contempt, disgust, fear, and others

IP Biometrix's portfolio page was captured by the Internet Archive on 2 January 2026. Demonstration images within the portfolio contain filenames dated to at least 9 November 2024 (e.g., "Screenshot-2024-11-09-120029.png"), however the images may have been prepared at an earlier time.<ref name="ip-biometrix" />

Patrons entering Happy Bar & Grill received no visible signage at entrances or within dining areas informing them that their facial biometrics were being captured, analysed, or stored during the testing period{{CitationNeeded}}. Happy's published privacy policy makes no mention of facial recognition, biometric processing, or AI surveillance systems in restaurants.<ref name="happy-privacy" /> This is consistent with their representation that the system has never been deployed.

[[File:AI Surveillance Dashboard.png|thumb|center|500px|''Real-Time Biometric Profiling of Customers (Subjects 6053–6055), Including Ethnicity Inference and Emotion Detection (Burrata Italiana Varna, Varna, Bulgaria)'']]
==Legal context==
Under the EU General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR), facial recognition constitutes processing of biometric data—a "special category" of personal data requiring explicit consent or another narrow legal basis under Article 9.<ref name="gdpr-article9" /> Inferring ethnicity and emotional states triggers additional restrictions as these reveal "racial or ethnic origin" and constitute sensitive psychological profiling. The absence of transparent notice before data collection violates GDPR Articles 13–14, while processing customers' biometrics for staff performance monitoring lacks a proportionate legal basis under Articles 6 and 9.<ref name="gdpr-article9" /> Under Bulgarian national guidance, the Commission for Personal Data Protection (CPDP) has stated that processing biometric data in shops and restaurants for the purpose of analyzing customer behavior, gender, or age cannot be based on "legitimate interest." The CPDP emphasizes that placing information signs is insufficient to achieve "explicit consent."<ref name="cpdp-opinion" />

==Company's response==
On 12 March 2026, Happy Bar & Grill issued an official statement addressing the allegations. The company categorically denied current use of the system, stating that no such software or technology is currently used in Happy restaurants. They acknowledged receiving an offer from GI Mobility Services (linked to IP Biometrix) in 2023 and confirmed testing occurred between September and December 2023. The company stated they officially rejected the proposal on 14 December 2023, stating that the solution was unnecessary for their operations.<ref name="happy-statement" />

Narra contacted the administrators and hosting provider of the Consumer Rights Wiki, requesting a complete removal and retraction of the article<ref name="mobilebulgaria" /><ref>{{Cite web |last=Rossmann |first=Louis |date=2026-03-13 |title=Nice try... |url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2D7hdJF2AwU |url-status=live |access-date=2026-03-13 |website=YouTube}}</ref>. The article initially stated that evidence supported that widespread implementation of the system had occurred, however this has since been changed. IP Biometrix removed the portfolio page showcasing the Happy Bar & Grill implementation during a site renovation prior to March 2026. The content is now preserved through the Internet Archive's Wayback Machine capture from 2 January 2026.<ref name="ip-biometrix" />

==Community response==
Consumer awareness of the surveillance system gained traction on 11 March 2026, following a post on the subreddit r/bulgaria featuring the wiki page{{cite web|title=Biometric data collection cameras in Happy|url=https://www.reddit.com/r/bulgaria/comments/1rqxn90/%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8_%D0%B7%D0%B0_%D1%81%D1%8A%D0%B1%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%B1%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%B8_%D0%B4%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B8_%D0%B2_%D1%85%D0%B5%D0%BF%D0%B8/|access-date=14 March 2026}}, and the publication of a number of news articles<ref name="mobilebulgaria" /><ref name="happy-statement" /><ref name="kaldata" />. Much of the community response reflects the initial statements by this article that widespread deployment of the system had occurred.

Additional concerns have been raised following scrutiny of IP Biometrix's other projects, including camera systems at the University of National and World Economy (UNWE), and their list of partners, which was removed from their website{{CitationNeeded}}.
== References ==
<references>
<ref name="ip-biometrix">{{Cite web |title=Face recognition solution for Happy Bar & Grill |url=https://ip-biometrix.com/portfolio/happy-face-recognition/ |website=IP Biometrix |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20260102224149/https://ip-biometrix.com/portfolio/happy-face-recognition/ |archive-date=2 January 2026 |access-date=4 March 2026}}</ref>
<ref name="happy-bg">{{Cite web |title=Happy Bar & Grill |url=https://happy.bg/ |website=happy.bg |access-date=4 March 2026}}</ref>
<ref name="happy-privacy">{{Cite web |title=Privacy Policy |url=https://happy.bg/en/privacy_policy |website=happy.bg |access-date=4 March 2026}}</ref>
<ref name="happy-statement">{{Cite web |title=Official Statement regarding AI camera allegations |url=https://boulevardbulgaria.bg/articles/happy-tvardeniyata-che-verigata-sledi-klientite-si-s-ai-kameri-sa-absolyutno-neverni |archive-url=https://archive.ph/zdiAC |archive-date= 13 March 2026 |website=Boulevard Bulgaria |access-date=12 March 2026}}</ref>
<ref name="gdpr-article9">{{Cite web |title=Regulation (EU) 2016/679, Article 9 |url=https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2016/679/art_9/oj |publisher=EUR-Lex |access-date=4 March 2026}}</ref>
<ref name="cpdp-opinion">{{Cite web |title=Statement of the CPDP regarding the use of video surveillance with biometric data |url=https://cpdp.bg/%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%89%D0%B5-%D0%BD%D0%B0-%D0%BA%D0%B7%D0%BB%D0%B4-%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BD%D0%BE-%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B7%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5-2/ |website=cpdp.bg |access-date=11 March 2026}}</ref>
<ref name="burrata-bg">{{Cite web |title=Burrata Italiana - About |url=https://burrata.bg/about |website=burrata.bg |access-date=11 March 2026}}</ref>
<ref name="kaldata">{{Cite web |title=AI cameras in restaurants? A facial recognition and emotion analysis system in a popular Bulgarian chain raises serious questions |url=https://www.kaldata.com/it-%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B8/ai-%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8-%D0%B2-%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5-%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B0-%D0%B7%D0%B0-%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B7-650764.html |author=Zhelev, Svetlin |date=12 March 2026 |website=kaldata.com |access-date=13 March 2026}}</ref>
<ref name="mobilebulgaria">{{Cite web |title=Facial recognition with AI monitors customers and employees in Happy restaurants? (Updated with an opinion from the company) |url=https://mobilebulgaria.com/news/izpolzva-li-happy-bar-grill-litsevo-razpoznavane-s-ai-v-restorantite-si |author=Behar, Mikhail |date=12 March 2026 |website=mobilebulgaria.com |access-date=13 March 2026}}</ref>
</references>
[[Category:2026 incidents]]

User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson

2026-03-14T06:41:42Z

Keith: /* Psst */ Reply

{{User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson/Transcluded thingy}}

Hi! This is my user talk page. Just leave me a message and I’ll respond when I can. If you want a request for a moderator to do something, it is much better for you to go to the [[Project talk:Moderators' noticeboard|Moderators' noticeboard]], as it will be much quicker to get a response than here and I'm very active there too.
 '''If there is a message I haven't replied to in more than 5 days, then I'm completely fine with you spam pinging me until I do reply.'''
==Do you need a hand?==

I just saw your edit notes lol, but not sure exactly what you're trying? If you need a hand I can try and help/find someone who's around. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:43, 5 October 2025 (UTC)

:Lol thanks, I am trying to add userscripts and losing my mind trying. I am trying to upload from Wikipedia and into my common.js file which (on Wikipedia at least) automatically runs for you to do something, but it is completely failing. It probably isn’t possible and I am wasting my time to be honest. Thanks for asking! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:03, 5 October 2025 (UTC)
::Have looked into it with some of the technical folks, and we currently have user Javascript disabled for security reasons. I'll have them take a look and get back to you! But just wanted to let you know it wasn't a 'you' problem lol [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 21:48, 5 October 2025 (UTC)
:::Ah okay! Time to use common.css (somehow??) [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 05:47, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
:::Thinking about it, I am quite happy that you chose to disable Javascript! I hate that thing anyway because it is not secure and looks like a pain to program in anyway. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 05:48, 6 October 2025 (UTC)

==Wiki help==

Hi! I have a wiki on Miraheze that I created recently and was wondering if you're open to helping me out with some admin stuff? You seem to enjoy tinkering with CRW, so I was hoping we could work together for a bit on this new wiki. Is that something you'd be interested in? [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 17:57, 8 October 2025 (UTC)

:Sure! I actually have self-hosted mediawiki instances (on my own computer using something called XAMPP, you can’t look it up online) so I wouldn’t mind helping out! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 19:25, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
:Also, how did you get the name ‘Beanie Bo’? I’ve been curious but never asked on your talk page. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 19:26, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
::Nice! Can you email me via my user page and let me know your email so we can talk about it? The wiki is currently set to private but I'll open it so you can create a user account.
::As for my wiki name, well Beanie is just a throwaway that I use sometimes. It was a play on Mr. Bean lol, and the Bo part just randomly came to mind when I created this wiki account. I didn't expect to be so involved with CRW for this long but it turned out great! [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 19:44, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
:::Sorry, I don’t use my main email for things like wikis, but I can attach a temporary email address if you want to talk via email. I used to use a temporary email address up until I thought it was an awful idea if I randomly got mail from it. Cool story on the name though! Did remind me of Mr. Bean. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 19:49, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
::::It's all good. I'll just link it here. Apparently you can create account even when it's set to private...? I'll verify you once it shows up for me. Also, I can't do much at the moment since I'm not at my desktop. The mobile theme is so broken lol.. maybe tomorrow we can discuss it more
[[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 20:04, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::You cannot create an account, I couldn’t find the create account button there so I went to [[Special:CreateAccount]] where it said you needed to be a member to create it. There is a setting in MediaWiki where you can make others be able to request an account and you can accept it, though. That is probably what you saw. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:22, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
::::::I made it public. Should be good now (I hope!) [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 21:00, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, it works - going to create an account now. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:12, 9 October 2025 (UTC)

==lmao what is going on with your commits==

im looking at the wiki commit log feed and you seem to be having a lot of fun with commit names such as "huh" and "WHAAT". very entertaining seeing you go. have a nice day :) [[User:Plankton|Plankton]] ([[User talk:Plankton|talk]]) 19:57, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

:Yeah, I love having fun in edit summaries lol. Especially as they generally aren’t seen (except when I go to [[Special:Random]] and go to page history). Glad someone enjoys them! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:01, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
::Ive read through some of your stuff. You arent on discord so you dont know this, but on the wiki discord there is a channel that is just a big stream of commits with their summary. I love peeking through them and seeing what people are doing. [[User:Plankton|Plankton]] ([[User talk:Plankton|talk]]) 20:03, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
:::LOL what??? That is insane… Thanks for telling me that, that is so funny! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:05, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
::::you can also go to [[Special:RecentChanges]] [[User:Plankton|Plankton]] ([[User talk:Plankton|talk]]) 20:08, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, I have recently taken up a habit of patrolling that, but I don’t think many others (if any others at all) do that, so an entire channel dedicated to discord is a much bigger step up. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:09, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
::::::person after my own heart lol [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:06, 15 January 2026 (UTC)

==listen man you are awesome==

i dont know how you find the time to contribute this much to the wiki but man you are awesome. keep it up. [[User:Plankton|Plankton]] ([[User talk:Plankton|talk]]) 03:58, 27 October 2025 (UTC)

:Thanks! <s>the answer is I have no life</s> [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:05, 27 October 2025 (UTC)

==Congratulations!==

You won!!

For the first year of the Wiki, you've made more edits than anyone else! Louis doesn't count cause he cheated with bulk image import.

We'll be getting a proper awards/profile medal plugin in the next month or so, and you'll absolutely be getting a shiny gold one! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 17:34, 14 January 2026 (UTC)

:Nice! Glad about a new plugin coming, the current one does try but it doesn't get perfect results! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:40, 14 January 2026 (UTC)
::The moment I saw it said 1000 articles I knew I had to immediately [https://web.archive.org/web/20260114171716/https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Main_Page archive it]. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:53, 14 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Nice! James was gutted last night because it was at 999, and then he created one, and then went to the front page, and saw that you had deleted two old ones so it went to 998! Looks like we're comfortably at/over 1000 now though. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:28, 14 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Oh no! Well, I had to do what I had to do... [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 19:31, 14 January 2026 (UTC)

==SINEXTITAN THERE ARE MILLIONS==

wha? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:02, 15 January 2026 (UTC)

:what feels like millions of files you marked for deletion. im trying to find a way to delete all of them at once right now [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:05, 15 January 2026 (UTC)
::lmao pick up the pace buddy cuz I ain't done 😎 [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:08, 15 January 2026 (UTC)
:::oh. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:08, 15 January 2026 (UTC)
::::hey a question, getting a "Warning: A file by that name has been deleted or moved.". do I ignore it? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:20, 15 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::ignore, I've gotten that before out of nowhere too [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:21, 15 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::yo dis what? [[File:Rainbow trout transparent.png]] [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:44, 15 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::::for a very stupid import of Wikipedia ({{wplink|Template:Trout|this was where I got it from}}), so I'll delete it now [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:45, 15 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::::lmao cool cool. I didn't even know of its existence. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:47, 15 January 2026 (UTC)

==I'm fookin gutted m8==

hope you don't mind the prank lol [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:28, 24 January 2026 (UTC)

:no I don't lol [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 19:30, 24 January 2026 (UTC)
::also you spelt my name wrong in the deletion log. it's spelt S i n e x T i t a n. please keep that in mind for the ''next'' time [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:36, 24 January 2026 (UTC)
:::okay cinekschichun [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 19:37, 24 January 2026 (UTC)
::::>:( fine AnotherConsumerButtPerson [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:37, 24 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::hey so my shit disappeared from [[Special:ContributionScores]] lol [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 21:32, 24 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::wait what [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:59, 25 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::::welp sorry [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:59, 25 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::::nah it's cool lmao. kinda enjoying myself being a ghost lol. I get to haunt #1. besides, in the grand scheme of things what's sm stupid binary? I already knows in my heart I'm #1, which's all that matters. <3 [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 07:29, 25 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::yay its fixed now! so much for haunting the leaderboards lmao [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 14:41, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

==disscussion in the disscussion :O==

hey so I started [[Chat Control]] a while back and today I checked it after seeing Mullvad's latest post on the Fediverse. It's pretty much in the same state as I last left it. I only know abt Chat Control as much as I've contributed and I currently don't have the time to further contribute. I couldn't figure out where to discuss this and didn't want to clog up [[Consumer Rights Wiki talk:Moderators' noticeboard]], so I hope you don't mind. Is there a way we can further its development b4 the June deadline? The negotations have started recently so the lack of coverage could be excused, but I feel like this problem is one that mandates the wiki. People could link their reps this article for them to read and comprehend as to y this is a problem to be opposed. Alongside people that never heard of it, know little abt it or whatever their situation might be, can be further enlightened on the topic. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:35, 26 February 2026 (UTC)

:Sure, I haven't seen Mullvad's post yet though. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:02, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
::Can you provide a link to Mullvad's post? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:33, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::[https://mastodon.online/@mullvadnet/116137711661598894 here] [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I've added a bit, more to come soon (if I don't forget). [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:25, 1 March 2026 (UTC)

==Hmmm==

You might wanna add the scoring template on my user page so I can see the numbers man ...... is it true!??? [[User:Im8685|Im8685]] ([[User talk:Im8685|talk]]) 08:11, 9 March 2026 (UTC)

:*from [[User:Im8685|Im8685]] ([[User talk:Im8685|talk]]) 08:11, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
I won't display it on my userpage, but I'll put it here. For licensing reasons, I'll say I got the table from [[User:Im8685]].
{| class="wikitable" align="right"
|+'''<big>Current Contribution Scores</big>'''
!Total Score||{{#cscore:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson}}
|-
!Edited Pages||{{#cscore:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|pages}}
|-
!Total Changes||{{#cscore:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|changes}}
|} [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:06, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
{{Clear}}

==Psst==

we're not officially launching it yet (will probably do so on sunday or monday), but we're setting up the zulip now and want to get mods etc. onboarded. Expect a bit of jank while we do the setup!

https://zulip.consumerrights.wiki/ [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 22:42, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'll log in now (with a temp email address). [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:08, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Keith|Keith]] are temp email addresses allowed? I had to specifically get one with a gmail.com domain because the others are disallowed. Or is that a discord issue?? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:16, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
:::shouldn't be anything to do with discord - I'll pass it on to jake [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 06:41, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

User talk:SinexTitan

2026-03-13T22:44:35Z

Keith: /* psst */ new section

==Sorry about that==

The cursed Stubnotice you were fighting against yesterday was my fault, should be sorted now [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 09:35, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

:np np [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 06:24, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

==WoW incidents section==

If you are experiencing a display problem when [[:Template:Quote box]] is called for while you're also set to dark mode view, that is something to be brought up on that template's talk page. Merely calling attention to it in the article change log while also changing valid code -- and arguably degrading the quality -- is not particularly helpful. (And for what it's worth, I am not seeing the problem on my desktop PC.) — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 21:21, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

:I didn't think of that so thanks for the enlightenment. Regarding the degradation in quality, I have to disagree. You're the only person I witnessed using the [[Template:Quote box]] and every time its used, it causes a prob on both my phn and PC when using dark mode. You say you don't have such a prob but I do, and as I do sm1 else might. I'll add a discussion to [[Template:Quote box]] and won't edit it out if it's used again (even w the prob still existing). [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 12:54, 5 July 2025 (UTC)
::It's been months and nothing has really happened with the template. It doesn't see much use anyway, so I've gone ahead and removed its usage from the WoW article. — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 23:00, 8 November 2025 (UTC)

== psst ==

hasn't launched yet but we're setting up the zulip: https://zulip.consumerrights.wiki/
Will be a bit janky before everything is finalised. aiming to launch on monday [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 22:44, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson

2026-03-13T22:42:00Z

Keith: /* Psst */ new section

{{User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson/Transcluded thingy}}

Hi! This is my user talk page. Just leave me a message and I’ll respond when I can. If you want a request for a moderator to do something, it is much better for you to go to the [[Project talk:Moderators' noticeboard|Moderators' noticeboard]], as it will be much quicker to get a response than here and I'm very active there too.
 '''If there is a message I haven't replied to in more than 5 days, then I'm completely fine with you spam pinging me until I do reply.'''
==Do you need a hand?==

I just saw your edit notes lol, but not sure exactly what you're trying? If you need a hand I can try and help/find someone who's around. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:43, 5 October 2025 (UTC)

:Lol thanks, I am trying to add userscripts and losing my mind trying. I am trying to upload from Wikipedia and into my common.js file which (on Wikipedia at least) automatically runs for you to do something, but it is completely failing. It probably isn’t possible and I am wasting my time to be honest. Thanks for asking! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:03, 5 October 2025 (UTC)
::Have looked into it with some of the technical folks, and we currently have user Javascript disabled for security reasons. I'll have them take a look and get back to you! But just wanted to let you know it wasn't a 'you' problem lol [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 21:48, 5 October 2025 (UTC)
:::Ah okay! Time to use common.css (somehow??) [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 05:47, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
:::Thinking about it, I am quite happy that you chose to disable Javascript! I hate that thing anyway because it is not secure and looks like a pain to program in anyway. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 05:48, 6 October 2025 (UTC)

==Wiki help==

Hi! I have a wiki on Miraheze that I created recently and was wondering if you're open to helping me out with some admin stuff? You seem to enjoy tinkering with CRW, so I was hoping we could work together for a bit on this new wiki. Is that something you'd be interested in? [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 17:57, 8 October 2025 (UTC)

:Sure! I actually have self-hosted mediawiki instances (on my own computer using something called XAMPP, you can’t look it up online) so I wouldn’t mind helping out! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 19:25, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
:Also, how did you get the name ‘Beanie Bo’? I’ve been curious but never asked on your talk page. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 19:26, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
::Nice! Can you email me via my user page and let me know your email so we can talk about it? The wiki is currently set to private but I'll open it so you can create a user account.
::As for my wiki name, well Beanie is just a throwaway that I use sometimes. It was a play on Mr. Bean lol, and the Bo part just randomly came to mind when I created this wiki account. I didn't expect to be so involved with CRW for this long but it turned out great! [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 19:44, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
:::Sorry, I don’t use my main email for things like wikis, but I can attach a temporary email address if you want to talk via email. I used to use a temporary email address up until I thought it was an awful idea if I randomly got mail from it. Cool story on the name though! Did remind me of Mr. Bean. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 19:49, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
::::It's all good. I'll just link it here. Apparently you can create account even when it's set to private...? I'll verify you once it shows up for me. Also, I can't do much at the moment since I'm not at my desktop. The mobile theme is so broken lol.. maybe tomorrow we can discuss it more
[[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 20:04, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::You cannot create an account, I couldn’t find the create account button there so I went to [[Special:CreateAccount]] where it said you needed to be a member to create it. There is a setting in MediaWiki where you can make others be able to request an account and you can accept it, though. That is probably what you saw. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:22, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
::::::I made it public. Should be good now (I hope!) [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 21:00, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, it works - going to create an account now. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:12, 9 October 2025 (UTC)

==lmao what is going on with your commits==

im looking at the wiki commit log feed and you seem to be having a lot of fun with commit names such as "huh" and "WHAAT". very entertaining seeing you go. have a nice day :) [[User:Plankton|Plankton]] ([[User talk:Plankton|talk]]) 19:57, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

:Yeah, I love having fun in edit summaries lol. Especially as they generally aren’t seen (except when I go to [[Special:Random]] and go to page history). Glad someone enjoys them! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:01, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
::Ive read through some of your stuff. You arent on discord so you dont know this, but on the wiki discord there is a channel that is just a big stream of commits with their summary. I love peeking through them and seeing what people are doing. [[User:Plankton|Plankton]] ([[User talk:Plankton|talk]]) 20:03, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
:::LOL what??? That is insane… Thanks for telling me that, that is so funny! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:05, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
::::you can also go to [[Special:RecentChanges]] [[User:Plankton|Plankton]] ([[User talk:Plankton|talk]]) 20:08, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, I have recently taken up a habit of patrolling that, but I don’t think many others (if any others at all) do that, so an entire channel dedicated to discord is a much bigger step up. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:09, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
::::::person after my own heart lol [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:06, 15 January 2026 (UTC)

==listen man you are awesome==

i dont know how you find the time to contribute this much to the wiki but man you are awesome. keep it up. [[User:Plankton|Plankton]] ([[User talk:Plankton|talk]]) 03:58, 27 October 2025 (UTC)

:Thanks! <s>the answer is I have no life</s> [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:05, 27 October 2025 (UTC)

==Congratulations!==

You won!!

For the first year of the Wiki, you've made more edits than anyone else! Louis doesn't count cause he cheated with bulk image import.

We'll be getting a proper awards/profile medal plugin in the next month or so, and you'll absolutely be getting a shiny gold one! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 17:34, 14 January 2026 (UTC)

:Nice! Glad about a new plugin coming, the current one does try but it doesn't get perfect results! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:40, 14 January 2026 (UTC)
::The moment I saw it said 1000 articles I knew I had to immediately [https://web.archive.org/web/20260114171716/https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Main_Page archive it]. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:53, 14 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Nice! James was gutted last night because it was at 999, and then he created one, and then went to the front page, and saw that you had deleted two old ones so it went to 998! Looks like we're comfortably at/over 1000 now though. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:28, 14 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Oh no! Well, I had to do what I had to do... [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 19:31, 14 January 2026 (UTC)

==SINEXTITAN THERE ARE MILLIONS==

wha? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:02, 15 January 2026 (UTC)

:what feels like millions of files you marked for deletion. im trying to find a way to delete all of them at once right now [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:05, 15 January 2026 (UTC)
::lmao pick up the pace buddy cuz I ain't done 😎 [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:08, 15 January 2026 (UTC)
:::oh. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:08, 15 January 2026 (UTC)
::::hey a question, getting a "Warning: A file by that name has been deleted or moved.". do I ignore it? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:20, 15 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::ignore, I've gotten that before out of nowhere too [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:21, 15 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::yo dis what? [[File:Rainbow trout transparent.png]] [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:44, 15 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::::for a very stupid import of Wikipedia ({{wplink|Template:Trout|this was where I got it from}}), so I'll delete it now [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:45, 15 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::::lmao cool cool. I didn't even know of its existence. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:47, 15 January 2026 (UTC)

==I'm fookin gutted m8==

hope you don't mind the prank lol [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:28, 24 January 2026 (UTC)

:no I don't lol [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 19:30, 24 January 2026 (UTC)
::also you spelt my name wrong in the deletion log. it's spelt S i n e x T i t a n. please keep that in mind for the ''next'' time [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:36, 24 January 2026 (UTC)
:::okay cinekschichun [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 19:37, 24 January 2026 (UTC)
::::>:( fine AnotherConsumerButtPerson [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:37, 24 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::hey so my shit disappeared from [[Special:ContributionScores]] lol [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 21:32, 24 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::wait what [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:59, 25 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::::welp sorry [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:59, 25 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::::nah it's cool lmao. kinda enjoying myself being a ghost lol. I get to haunt #1. besides, in the grand scheme of things what's sm stupid binary? I already knows in my heart I'm #1, which's all that matters. <3 [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 07:29, 25 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::yay its fixed now! so much for haunting the leaderboards lmao [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 14:41, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

==disscussion in the disscussion :O==

hey so I started [[Chat Control]] a while back and today I checked it after seeing Mullvad's latest post on the Fediverse. It's pretty much in the same state as I last left it. I only know abt Chat Control as much as I've contributed and I currently don't have the time to further contribute. I couldn't figure out where to discuss this and didn't want to clog up [[Consumer Rights Wiki talk:Moderators' noticeboard]], so I hope you don't mind. Is there a way we can further its development b4 the June deadline? The negotations have started recently so the lack of coverage could be excused, but I feel like this problem is one that mandates the wiki. People could link their reps this article for them to read and comprehend as to y this is a problem to be opposed. Alongside people that never heard of it, know little abt it or whatever their situation might be, can be further enlightened on the topic. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:35, 26 February 2026 (UTC)

:Sure, I haven't seen Mullvad's post yet though. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:02, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
::Can you provide a link to Mullvad's post? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:33, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::[https://mastodon.online/@mullvadnet/116137711661598894 here] [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I've added a bit, more to come soon (if I don't forget). [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:25, 1 March 2026 (UTC)

==Hmmm==

You might wanna add the scoring template on my user page so I can see the numbers man ...... is it true!??? [[User:Im8685|Im8685]] ([[User talk:Im8685|talk]]) 08:11, 9 March 2026 (UTC)

:*from [[User:Im8685|Im8685]] ([[User talk:Im8685|talk]]) 08:11, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
I won't display it on my userpage, but I'll put it here. For licensing reasons, I'll say I got the table from [[User:Im8685]].
{| class="wikitable" align="right"
|+'''<big>Current Contribution Scores</big>'''
!Total Score||{{#cscore:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson}}
|-
!Edited Pages||{{#cscore:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|pages}}
|-
!Total Changes||{{#cscore:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|changes}}
|} [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:06, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
{{Clear}}

== Psst ==

we're not officially launching it yet (will probably do so on sunday or monday), but we're setting up the zulip now and want to get mods etc. onboarded. Expect a bit of jank while we do the setup!

https://zulip.consumerrights.wiki/ [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 22:42, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

User talk:MEN KISSING

2026-03-13T15:53:16Z

Keith: /* Welcome! */ new section

{{Template:Welcome|realName=|name=MEN KISSING}}

-- [[User:New user message|New user message]] ([[User talk:New user message|talk]]) 06:19, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

=="Content model change"==

@[[User:JakeL|JakeL]] [[User:MEN KISSING/Sandbox]] shows a "content model change". First, I have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA what this is. The log shows that JakeL used it a bit in August 2025. MEN KISSING if you have anything to say on this feel free! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 09:10, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

:[[Special:ChangeContentModel]] seems to be what causes this?? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 09:12, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
::Haha, I'm writing a bug report about it right now, actually! [[User:MEN KISSING|MEN KISSING]] ([[User talk:MEN KISSING|talk]]) 09:15, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
::Here: [[Consumer_Rights_Wiki_talk:Bugs#New users have the editcontentmodel user right]] [[User:MEN KISSING|MEN KISSING]] ([[User talk:MEN KISSING|talk]]) 09:28, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

== Welcome! ==

I thought I recognised your username! I remember reading your comments on the archive.today debacle the other week. It's great to see you here and I'm very glad to hear that you're interested in helping out!

I'd also just like to say that any input or work you're able to put into our policy and templates will be very much appreciated! Much of our policy was written up/copy-pasted from Wikipedia by myself around a year ago, and a fresh set of eyes with experience at this sort of thing could do wonders.

In terms of templates, probably the biggest ones that could do with work are the article notice templates - we want to strike the right balance between notifying a reader that an article is not up to the wiki's standard or may not be reliable, without having them be so big and aggressive that they scare off new editors when it gets applied to their article. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:53, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

User talk:Keith

2026-03-13T14:34:57Z

Keith: /* alternative to Discord */ Reply

[[User:Alexa|Alexa]] ([[User talk:Alexa|talk]]) 16 May 2025

Hello @[[User:Keith|Keith]],

I'm interested in helping with the wiki, and specifically I have real world example, but would like to check if it's a good fit here or not.

And I can't talk in discord, as it's forcing me to submit my email.

Is this a good place to start conversation on adding new company, and fitness of the case.

Thank you.

∼∼∼∼

Hi @[[User:Alexa|Alexa]]!

No problem at all - go ahead and let me know what your thought is and I'll give you my thoughts on whether/how it fits on the wiki!

[[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 20:03, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

[[User:Alexa|Alexa]] ([[User talk:Alexa|talk]]) 06:36, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

@[[User:Keith|Keith]],

There is company in California that offers indoor skydiving, and obviously they have waiver to sign (with arbitration 😃), but it's not the issue I found there, but that part of that waiver is "consent" to "grant exclusive permission" to take photo/video, and use it in their promotional materials, and there is no way to sign the waiver without consenting to that photo/video permission, online form doesn't allow you to proceed. And even when we went to the place itself, staff said that "corporate doesn't allow them to print out forms to fill out, anymore, and all waivers need to be filled in online", means we can't opt out from that photo/video consent. So my kid ended up not taking that "flight", because we couldn't sign the waiver without consenting to photos.

Thank you.

[[User:Alexa|Alexa]] ([[User talk:Alexa|talk]]) 17 May 2025

@[[User:Alexa|Alexa]]

I think that fits the bill - although it's a smaller company, it fits within the frame of modern consumer protection and demonstrates how draconian the terms for even something like that can be.
Go for it! I'd probably say that this is a case where a company article can be created, and the TOS issue can be neatly summarised within it, as opposed to being a seperate incident article.

Edit: actually, I might have got ahead of myself - is this something which has been covered or discussed annywhere other than by yourself? If not, it may fall foul of the No Original Research rule, although a very basic page which basically just lays out the facts which can be established from their website and TOS, and does not provide any commentary beyond this, might be ok.

[[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 07:55, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

==Re: CAT Documentation==
[[User:Keith|@Keith]] I've replied to your message at [[User talk:Travis]]. Let me know if you'd like to discuss further approaches to organizing the documentation. [[User:Travis|Travis]] ([[User talk:Travis|talk]]) 14:43, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

==Delegating tasks==

Hello Keith,

You said at the meetup that you found it easy to delegate.

This interests me because when I was in business, I found it difficult delegate: did not believe people could not do a good enough job and I would be still responsible for the results.

Is this topic of interest to you?

∼∼∼∼

[[User:Janosabel|Janosabel]] ([[User talk:Janosabel|talk]]) 22:48, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

:I think that in the context of wikis or any kind of community project, one needs to be able to trust others to get anywhere (perhaps with some verification too at times).
:I'm under absolutely no illusion that I can do all or even much of this by myself, and we have some really talented and great people on the team!
:There's no way of achieving the results we'd want without spreading the workload and decision-making responsibility. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 09:33, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
::I understand what you mean.
::Just realised, I was speaking about me half a century ago; and not being able to trust delegees cost me a burnout. Without delegation even if imperfect, what must be done cannot be done.
::Unfortunately I cannot help by contributing to the Wiki for lack of academic training in the required writing style, but put on my talk page a witness account how supermarkets expanding to local areas are killing independent small traders.
::PS. What is the difference between <edit source> and using the <reply> button? [[User:Janosabel|Janosabel]] ([[User talk:Janosabel|talk]]) 20:05, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
:::I think the reply button just opens up a small window of the editor, and applies the signature to the message automatically? I'll have a look at what you mentioned, but I'm not sure it quite fits the theme of the Wiki, as we're keeping it focused on anti-consumer activities, rather than general issues with corporate behaviour.
:::And yes, I'll be careful on burnout! I want to avoid the combination of this and my day job driving me mad... [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 23:02, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

==Thanks and silly questions==

Hi Keith,

thanks for adding me to the confirmed users. Total newbie here, i have no idea how to properly contribute. I tried to start a discussion in the Category Leagislation Africa, not sure if it was posted.

Should i ask it directly here? or keep it in that category?

Mika, Madagascar. [[User:Mikadago|Mikadago]] ([[User talk:Mikadago|talk]]) 11:42, 16 August 2025 (UTC)

:I'm happy to reply there, though it will take a few mins to put together an answer and provide some guidance on where best to include the information [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 13:28, 16 August 2025 (UTC)

==Is the main Miku article ready to have the stub removed?==

[[Miku]]

I've been working on getting to Miku article to a better place, is there anything else you think I should add to it before the stub is removed? [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 01:20, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

:Happy to remove the incomplete notice as it's defeinitely better sourced now, but I think it might be s good idea for you to have a look at how the controversies/incidents section is laid out on the [[Netflix]] article, as the way it's done in the Miku article is a little strange, especially with the 'this article sumarizes' bits at the start of paragraphs
:In any case, thank you for the good work! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 08:46, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

==Why was my page deleted?==

I also see no notices or notifications in regard to this. I thought the whole point of this was for transparency? [[User:Slab Man|Slab Man]] ([[User talk:Slab Man|talk]]) 21:12, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

:From what I can tell you created the article with, other than the information from the form, just a couple of sentences containing an accusation without any citation or reference to support it. After around 12 hours, Mr Pollo added a deletion notice to the article, as there was virtually no information contained in the article. After a couple more days, as the article had not been edited or improved, it was deleted.
:I can't speak to the lack of notifications - usually whenever an article you've been involved in is edited, it will show up in your inbox in the top right of the screen. It's possible that the full deletion of the article resulted in it removing the notifications; I'm not exactly sure of how that interaction works [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 23:01, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
::Well I planned to add more details and citations when I had time. It can't be a draft/work in progress? You have to write everything in one go? [[User:Slab Man|Slab Man]] ([[User talk:Slab Man|talk]]) 04:44, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
:::The wiki generally expects an article to have at least a few references and all of the template parts at least partially filled in within the first few days of an article's creation. [[User:JamesTDG|JamesTDG]] ([[User talk:JamesTDG|talk]]) 05:59, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
:::I'll second what James said, and also add that it's possible to create draft pages within your user space. You do this by adding 'user:[yourname]/' to the start of the page name. This keeps it out of mainspace, meaning it is not searchable by the main search bar.
:::Currently this policy you've encountered is unwritten, so I'll add it to the moderator guidelines shortly. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 06:30, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
::::Noted. It would be great if there was a regular draft function like in almost every software. (So this doesn’t happen to other new users after their first contribution.) Honestly, after you deleted it, it felt like my contribution is unwanted. [[User:Slab Man|Slab Man]] ([[User talk:Slab Man|talk]]) 04:31, 21 August 2025 (UTC)
:::::That's fair enough - we should add some more text to the article creation flow which explains how user space works, how to make a draft article, and what the policy for handling new articles is. If you'd like, I can get the text from the deleted article and put it on your user talk page or something so you can pick it up from where you left off? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 10:37, 21 August 2025 (UTC)
::::::Thank you that would be great. Looking forward to helping out! [[User:Slab Man|Slab Man]] ([[User talk:Slab Man|talk]]) 18:32, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

==Interenet Archive stub notice seems badly placed==

Hi @[[User:Keith|Keith]], the stub notice on [[Internet Archive]] seems to be after the lead section and not before it. Can you please fix this? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:40, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

:Done! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 08:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

==Question about re-use of sources for LiveView Article==

Hey Keith,

I noticed that for the [[LiveView Technologies AI Surveillance]] article, the same source has been re-used multiple times but shows up with a different citation number. Namely the citations number 6,32, and 33 are duplicates of 4 (LVT Use Cases in Law Enforcement), 14 is a duplicate of 5 (AI-Driven Mobile Security for Every Threat), 35 is a duplicate of 8 (Fusion Centers), and 21 is a duplicate of 20 (Mobile cameras deployed at Monroe County Office Building amid security concerns)

Also the links are missing the archive URLs in the references and some don't have author first and last name or date where they are available on the site or the date is incorrect.

I have a version of the article which shrinks the list of references (citation 33 is now a re-use of citation 4 for that section for example) and also has the relevant archive links and names and dates for each reference where possible.

Should I commit the change? I know that this article may be looked at be people very soon and I'd rather get your approval to change it and have you ready to roll-back or append to it in case you don't like it. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 18:47, 26 August 2025 (UTC)

:I think I'm going to commit the change now, you're free to revert it or check it over in case I messed something up. In the event this article is mentioned at City hall on Thursday, I want it to be the best it can be.
:Thank you for helping with the wiki. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 19:03, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you! and yeah, if you notice small formating issues (especially with an article louis has been working on :P ) just go ahead and make the change - that's the way of the wiki! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:41, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
:::Small formatting issues or other non-obvious things like referencing problems* [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:41, 26 August 2025 (UTC)

==Proposal to add a section for organized meetings. (might be a better name for this)==

Hey Keith, I hope I'm not posting here again too early.

I thought about how every time Louis wants to generate interest for a particular issue with regards to getting viewers to organize, most of the time he has to do a video on it and these calls for organization when fighting for a particular issue (such as LVT tomorrow) are based in the United States.

I don't know if this already exists on the wiki (if it does, i'd like to know where it is), but do you think it would be a good idea to create a page specifically for posting the dates and instructions for showing up to demonstrations or hearings for the purposes of pushing back against anti-consumer or anti-privacy related issues? (This could be world-wide).

If someone from the UK for example wanted to organize a demonstration or have people speak at or attend an open council meeting, they would edit a row of a wiki table and list the time of the demonstration, an additional page describing the instructions or requirements to attend, and the issue that will be talked about (similar to rossmanngroup.com/clippyone).

I feel that with something like this, organizing both members of the public and members of the wiki regardless of country would be much easier and could provide a centralized and updated list of upcoming events based on user submission and moderator approval.

Let me know what you think about something like this when you're free to reply, I'd like to hear your thoughts in addition to anyone else who sees this and wants to talk about it. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 17:11, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

:It's definitely on the edge of what makes sense here, but I think that it's worth considering as it could well be useful. Might be something that will end up being done through FULU though in the end... maybe some kind of 'events noticeboard' a bit like the moderator notice could work? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 20:25, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
::An "events noticeboard" in the way you describe it with moderation is exactly what I was thinking. You're right about how it should be done through FULU directly instead of the wiki, that's a better idea.
::Thanks for your input, I appreciate it. I was just wondering if it was a completely off-the-wall idea. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 23:16, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

==BT article==

Hello Keith, remember [[BT's Digital Voice service in the UK isn't good for the Elderly|this article]]? I pinged you 16 days ago but it seems that it didn’t work and I’ve forgotten about it since. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 19:27, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

:Thanks for the reminder! as we were both in agreement, I removed the article. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 06:48, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

==Privacy notice change==

Hello Keith, I was looking through things in the Mediawiki namespace to see how backend works, when I noticed the [[Mediawiki:Footer-privacy-notice]] page and it reminded me of [[Talk:Main Page#stating "Recently updated" not particularly helpful|this on the main page]]. Can we change it quickly or does it need to be done backend? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:37, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

:We're going to do a policy update and a full review of that stuff when we update the backend tomorrow, so I'll make sure it's handled [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:01, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

==Protect Template:Welcome==

Hello, am contacting you directly as I think it is the best way to make this happen, but PLEASE protect Template:Welcome, I doubt we'll get vandalism on there but if we do and it sends a message with it we're done for... [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:06, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

:Oh, also can you make the bot substitute (make the template not change on that page even after it gets updated) the templates for the sake of preservation of the page? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:08, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks @[[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] for getting that first one!
::I think I get what you mean re. the substitution, but have no idea how to do it. Will look into it [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:30, 14 October 2025 (UTC)
:Done. Thanks for bringing it up! I'm not sure about your second question though, so I'll leave that to Keith. [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 18:26, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
::Second one is complicated, but the first one is the only important one. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:39, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

==Is it fine for me to get an alternate account?==

Edit: Have no clue why I'd need this in practice, so forget about it. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:33, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

:no worries. In answer to your question, as long as we're notified, and there are no sockpuppetry shenanigans, then the answer is yes. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:39, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

==Do you mind if I use AutoWikiBrowser on the CRW?==

Hello, I recently heard about a tool called [[wikipedia:WP:AWB|AutoWikiBrowser]] which is a semi-automated tool meant to help for repetitive smaller edits which I do a lot, do you mind if I use it and if you don't mind, should I use an alternate account for it (maybe with 'bot flag' even though it's not a bot so it doesn't show??) Edit: Also, the page to get this, [[Special:BotPasswords|BotPasswords]], lets you change grants for people/things with the password, so is it okay to let people/things with the password edit protected pages (for things like typo-fixing Project namespace pages)? It is risky if it is obtained.[[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:23, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

:Happy for you to use that! sounds like a great tool. No strong opinions on whetehr you make a separate account for it [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:11, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
::On the passwords front, I'm not sure how exactly that works. Does it give you the ability to use your own account via API? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:14, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
:::Yes, botpasswords is pretty much that. It lets you change permissions too, so I can give it only specific permissions for safety reasons. Also, as for the ‘seperate account thing’ Botpasswords (the one that I can use) gives me a new account anyway so there’s no reason for it, just me misunderstanding the usage. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 14:16, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
::::Cool, that sounds fine then! do you need me to do anything to get it set up? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:20, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::No, I’ll do it myself when I next get a chance on my PC (without any special perms as I don’t know why I’d need that!) [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 14:21, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

==Found Large Amount of 404 links for flock article==

Page link: [[Flock license plate readers]]

Hey Keith,

I was checking the sources in the above article and noticed that for a large section of it, the sources will lead directly to pages which either don't exist or result in 404. I really hope that this is just a problem on my end and isn't really the case. Below is the complete list of all sources I found that lead to 404'd pages. On the actual article page, I have also marked the following with the status of usurped for the time being.

{| class="wikitable"
|+
!Ref #

!Title

!Issue

!Archive state

!Link

|-
|20
|"How Vehicle Fingerprint Technology Works"
|404
|no archive
|
https://www.flocksafety.com/resources/how-vehicle-fingerprint-technology-works
|-
|21
|
"License Plate Surveillance Company Can Now Capture Images of Vehicle Occupants' Faces"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://www.404media.co/flock-safety-can-now-capture-faces-of-vehicle-occupants/
|-
|
22
|
"Transforming Flock: Beyond License Plate Reading to Deliver Greater Insights for Solving Crime"
|
404
|
no archive
|

https://www.flocksafety.com/newsroom/transforming-flock-beyond-license-plate-reading-to-deliver-greater-insights-for-solving-crime/
|-
|
24
|
"Atlas of Surveillance: Flock Safety"
|
goes to deeplinks blog, but no article
|
no archive
|
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/04/atlas-surveillance-flock-safety
|-
|
25
|
"Leaders of a Beautiful Struggle v. Baltimore Police Department"
|
404
|no archive
|

https://www.eff.org/cases/leaders-beautiful-struggle-v-baltimore-police-department
|-
|
26
|
"Carpenter and the Evolving Fourth Amendment"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://www.law.georgetown.edu/american-criminal-law-review/wp-content/uploads/sites/15/2023/01/60-1-Carpenter-and-the-Evolving-Fourth-Amendment.pdf
|-
|
27
|
"Leaders of a Beautiful Struggle v. Baltimore Police Department"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67689711/leaders-of-a-beautiful-struggle-v-baltimore-police-department/
|-
|28
|
"Illinois Compiled Statutes - Freedom from Drone Surveillance Act"
|
404
|
no archive
|

https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs3.asp?ActID=3541&ChapterID=53
|-
|
29
|
"RSA 236:130 Automated License Plate Recognition"
|
potential 404
|
no archive
|
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XXI/236/236-130.htm
|-
|
32
|
"Surveillance firm provided ICE access to license plate reader systems"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jul/15/flock-safety-ice-license-plate-reader
|-
|
33
|
"How Flock Safety is Building a Surveillance Network for ICE"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/03/flock-safety-and-ice
|-
|
34
|
"ICE Surveillance of Immigrants and Advocates"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://americanoversight.org/investigation/ice-surveillance-of-immigrants-and-advocates/
|-
|
35
|
"ACLU Obtains Records Showing ICE Using License Plate Readers in Sanctuary Cities"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://www.aclunc.org/news/aclu-obtains-records-showing-ice-using-license-plate-readers-sanctuary-cities
|-
|
36
|
"License Plate Readers Are Creating a US-Wide Database of More Than Just Cars"
|404
|no archive
|
https://www.vice.com/en/article/license-plate-readers-abortion-clinics-texas
|-
|37
|"Reproductive Surveillance in Post-Roe America"
|404
|no archive
|https://www.surveillancewatch.io/reproductive-surveillance-post-roe/
|-
|38
|"State Shield Laws and Reproductive Privacy"
|dead site
|no archive
|https://reproductiverights.gov/shield-laws/
|-
|39
|"Flock Safety Employees Caught Misusing Access to Surveillance Network"
|404
|no archive
|https://www.wired.com/story/flock-safety-employees-misuse-access/
|-
|40
|"Audit Reveals Hundreds of Flock Safety Privacy Violations"
|404
|no archive
|https://www.techdirt.com/2024/05/15/audit-reveals-hundreds-of-flock-safety-privacy-violations/
|-
|41
|"When License Plate Readers Become Tools for Stalking"
|404
|no archive
|https://apnews.com/article/license-plate-readers-police-misuse-stalking
|-
|42
|"Detroit Officer Fired for Using City Cameras to Track Ex-Wife"
|404
|no archive
|https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/detroit-city/2024/03/officer-fired-tracking-ex-wife/
|-
|43
|"Proactive Security Disclosure Q2 2025"
|404
|no archive
|https://www.flocksafety.com/blog/proactive-security-disclosure-q2-2025
|}
If you discover no issues (or the formatting of this table turns out horrible and breaks your talk page), disregard this and remove my topic from your page. And revert the change I made to the article where I marked the mentioned links as usurped.

Hopefully if these sites really lead to nothing and it's not just me, then the table makes it easy for you to do something. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 02:52, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

:Had a bit of a dig and my suspicion, expecially since these references are all next to each other, is that there was probably some AI chicanery in the making of the article.
:Seem to be poitentially based on real pages, e.g. this one:
:https://www.eff.org/document/fourth-circuit-ruling-leaders-beautiful-struggle-v-baltimore-police-department
:is probably meant to be #25 instead of what is currently there
:I'd recommend sticking this table on the Flock talk page (if you haven't already) and letting people know they might need to look for what these links are meant to be [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:19, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
::I went ahead and added the table to the discussion tab. Should there be a notice at the top of the Flock page to make people aware? Or leave it as is? [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 17:42, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
:::Nevermind about the notice. The references were small enough to not need them for the most part. I started working on fixing some of them [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 18:30, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

==Oversighted something==

Hello, Keith! I just wanted to let you know I just gave myself the 'suppressor' user right as I oversighted what I think could be your IP address for privacy reasons. The info is at [[Special:Diff/805]]. If it isn't your IP address, feel free to revert what I just did. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 11:32, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

:I think it might have been (though very good chance it was some temp VPN/mobile IP address). In any case, thank you for spotting it! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 12:09, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

==being able to edit Discussions==

hey so I just discovered I can edit discussions. not only mine but any1 elses. is this an oversight? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 20:23, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

:Not sure - might just be how wikis are (given that edit logs are public, it's pretty easy to combat anyone trying to abuse it, same as with article vandalism)
:I'll page in @[[User:UntoK|UntoK]] in case it's something that isn't how it should be [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 23:13, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
::Nah, that's MediaWiki. Nothing unusual there. Edit Source is actually the default way to edit discussions in MediaWiki, but the interface is changed by an extension (forgot the name), so that it shows as this instead of just the edit source button. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:37, 5 December 2025 (UTC)
:::dk y I didn't notice that b4. I've been on and off w contribs so thought smth changed since my last visit. anyhow thanks for clearing up the concern. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:00, 8 December 2025 (UTC)

=="fixing" recent changes==

since the introduction of [[Template:Welcome]], [[Special:RecentChanges]] has become a graveyard of User:Talks that I have to sift through in order to double check people's work. can we please block [[User:New_user_message]] from showing up on there?

edit: the bot bypasses the "Human (not bot) active filter
[[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 22:12, 26 December 2025 (UTC)

:yeah, that's a localsettings.php part that Keith can pass on to Unto. setting $wgNewUserSuppressRC to true should work. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:50, 1 January 2026 (UTC)
::as a temp fix, [https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Special:RecentChanges?hidebots=1&namespace=3&invert=1&limit=100&days=7&enhanced=1&urlversion=2 this] should work [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:54, 1 January 2026 (UTC)
:::legend. thank you [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 18:43, 1 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Hi @[[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] - took a bit of a break over the holidays so sorry for not replying. I'll contact Unto and see if he can take a look [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:12, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::Fair enough! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:49, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::any update? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 17:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I've put Unto on it but no update. I'll chase him [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:30, 13 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Darth Sidious says "do it". [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:36, 14 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::any update? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 23:08, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I think it's been fixed? I don't see New User Message clogging up the feed anymore [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:54, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I certainly remember that we tried to fix it, and I think it seemed to work [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:54, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::oh... I was using ACRP's temp fix so I did not realize and thought it was still broken lol [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:06, 1 March 2026 (UTC)

==*sigh*==

Where are the projects (again)? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:04, 19 January 2026 (UTC)

:deja vu? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 18:42, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
::[[Consumer_Rights_Wiki_talk:Moderators%27_noticeboard#*sigh*|oh]] [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 18:48, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
:::LOL, made me chuckle seeing your replies! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:55, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
::::hey as a wise man once said "if you are good at something, never do it for free". that'll be $5 my friend [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:05, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::yeah, replied on the noticeboard, but just adding here - I think an update must have broken it. have contacted Unto [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 01:07, 20 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] @[[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] Fixed! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:52, 20 January 2026 (UTC)

==sorry for the ping==

I used the intro text from [[Texas Attorney General sues multiple TV makers over ACR user data collection]] to add to the Incidents section for each of the mentioned companies. In the edit summary I linked you. Ik that @ and [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 22:33, 21 January 2026 (UTC) ping the user but idk abt linking. regardless sorry abt the pings

:th happened here? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 22:34, 21 January 2026 (UTC)
::No worries! I don't think @s in edit summaries cause pings anyway [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 22:37, 21 January 2026 (UTC)

==alternative to Discord==

I don't use Discord. many members of the wiki don't use Discord. can't talk on their behalf but I can mine. if there was a Matrix or heck Signal gc (lol), I'd love to be a part of it. are there any plans for migration off Discord or perhaps providing w an alternative they'd be more comfortable with? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:32, 23 January 2026 (UTC)

:We're hoping to get a Zulip bridge with the Discord in the next couple of months. This would allow people to essentially join the Discord without joining the Discord, with the exception of a couple of features like bot commands and voice channels. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 08:19, 24 January 2026 (UTC)
::lovely looking forward to it [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 09:44, 24 January 2026 (UTC)
:::is the Zulip bridge still under consideration following the impending age verification push in March? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 23:07, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
::::I've not heard of Zulip but it sounds like some sort of proxy? I'd prefer something like Matrix but that seems great too. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:44, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Zulip is a bit like a matrix/discord-y thing, and we'd use plugins to essentially crosspost everything that's sent to it to the discord and vice versa. It's still coming along but I've been crap and haven't got the server paid up yet. will try and do this next week and we can hopefully get it up shortly. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:45, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Just in case yous hadn't noticed it on the main page @[[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] @[[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]], we're moving our monthly hangout meetings from discord to zoom so as to include more of the community, and you're both welcome to join! first one is at 20:00 UTC tomorrow. if you pop me an email over to help@consumerrights.wiki, I'll send you the zoom link (son't want to posted publicly for obvious reasons) [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:50, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I've seen that, I'm not interested in joining though. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:21, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::oh I totally missed that. I'll shoot over an email and add it to my calendar but dk if I'll be able to join. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:09, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Apologies for not seeing this sooner - I'll send over a link just now! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:34, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Hi, any update on the Zulip bridge? Sorry for asking after such a short time but I'd really like to use it! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:24, 5 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Keith|Keith]] any update still? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 12:44, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Jake's on it - we've been going back and forth over whether to have a managed instance or self hosted - sry for the kerfuffle! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:34, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

==Can you help moving my page==

Sorry I said this 3 times or more, I got confused, can you move please, I moved it in wrong place, may I ask should I ask here instead of the pages I placed [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 21:23, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

:Thank you but should I create it in the user page just to clarify [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 21:34, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
::Don't want to be nuisance that all when doing my article [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 21:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I've replied on your user page - think it should be alright now? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 21:38, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
::::your user talk page* [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 21:38, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

==Adding categories==

Hello, please don't add categories in the visual editor as it doesn't work, instead simply type <code><nowiki>[[Category:CATEGORYNAME]]</nowiki></code> and replace CATEGORYNAME with the name of the category, otherwise it won't work. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:57, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:Apologies, thank you! I usually use source but I think there I just hit 'edit' by accident as was trying to set it up quickly. just so you know, I've replied to stefan's questions on the page he moved - thank you for moving the page he created! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 17:31, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

==Regarding a recent article I created==

Hello, Keith! I have finally decided to become a contributor here. The article I've been working on is [[Happy Bar & Grill Biometric Surveillance]]. However, when someone I've sent the link to opens it, they see the version that was last updated before I created my profile. What could be causing this? I apologise for any lack of knowledge on my part. [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 18:23, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:Unfortunately this is a problem with cloudflare's caching. If you wait a short while, or they log in, they should see the updated version. We've found a solution and will be shipping it with the next version of the wiki so that page edits are instantly reflected in cached versions of pages. Until then, it's just a case of waiting a while or logging in (logging in bypasses the cache as it needs to load user-specific elements). Great work on the article by the way! Just as a heads up, we're happy to have sources in non-english languages, so if you find any Bulgarian sources discussing it, those would be great to add to the article to demonstrate notability. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 18:42, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::Oops, apparently I was spreading misinformation on the internet regarding the exact reasons for it not being cached, but the gist is still the same, which is that logged-in users bypass the cache! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 18:48, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::Thank you for the swift reply and the explanation! It's so refreshing to see people working hard and helping others for a good cause. Also very happy to hear that you like how the article has turned out so far. I've extensively searched for any other sources regarding the issue, but found nothing. I guess someone has to start the discussion! :D
::Just to confirm: is the wiki English-only? I'd love to make the article more accessible to my compatriots, but I suppose I'll just tell them to use the automatic translation option on their browser. [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 21:05, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The wiki is english only yeah, for moderation purposes (we don't have a team that's reliably able to check the quality of non-english articles). if you wanted, though, we'd be happy for you to put a bulgarian version in your user space (i.e. the page lives at consumerrights.wiki/w/User:Juuns/[pagename]) - just make sure to put a note in english at the top so that none of the mods mistake it for a spam article! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 22:48, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Hey there, thanks for the advice! Is that alright? https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Iw/User:Juuns/%D0%91%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%BE_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BB%D1%8E%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%B2_Happy_Bar_%26_Grill_-_bg_translation_of_an_existing_article/&veaction=edit [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 08:35, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Yep! The URL looks cursed written out like that lol but it's in the right place [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:24, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Hello again, Keith!
::::::I and the small team I've created have made huge progress regarding the surveillance situation at Happy Bar and Dinner. We posted the wiki on the r/bulgaria subreddit, and it topped the daily chart in less than three hours. People are outraged.
::::::I've managed to contact an advocate from the opposition here who agreed to share the wiki on her Facebook page (over 10,000 followers). She also agreed to work with me to make the topic go viral and will send this to other human rights and anti-mafia activists in Bulgaria. We've planned to create several videos in various forms regarding the issue.
::::::I am writing with a big request that would be extremely beneficial to my cause and the wiki: Could you contact Louis Rossmann and share the wiki with him? Alternatively, you could connect him to me so I can tell him more about it.
::::::I understand this is a big request, but I would be very thankful for your help :) [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 18:43, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That's great! I've passed the info on, and will let you know the response
:::::::This is exactly how I've been hoping to see the wiki be used, so I'm really excited that it's getting picked up! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:20, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Hello again, Keith. Things are spreading like wildfire and are getting very heated. An official position from Happy Bar & Grill has been released. They are aggressively denying the claims, but their statement actually contains several contradictions that validate my research rather than disprove it.
::::::::In their official position, Happy Bar & Grill claims to have already notified the wiki's administrators (you and Rossmann, I suppose), issuing what they describe as a "categorical demand" for the removal of all alleged misinformation within a 24-hour ultimatum. Could you confirm if such a notice was received? A corporation issuing a 24-hour take-down ultimatum to an independent documentation project before any independent audit or regulatory investigation has taken place is simply outrageous.
::::::::Some of the main points I wanted to cover:
::::::::First, there is a major timeline discrepancy. Happy claims they received an offer from GI Mobility Services (linked to IP Biometrix? I cannot find any information about them, and other people have come up with nothing as well) in 2023 and officially rejected it on 14 December 2023. However, my archived evidence from IP Biometrix's portfolio shows a screenshot dated 9 November 2024—almost a year after they claim to have rejected the proposal. If they truly rejected the system in 2023, why does the vendor's portfolio display active implementation data from late 2024? Why was the article on their page until 2026? Also, there was an image displaying logos of partner companies still on IP Biometrix's page until 11 March 2026. They took that down just a few hours! This suggests either the system was further tested despite the rejection, or their timeline is fabricated to cover ongoing processing. My main hypothesis right now is that GI Mobility Services is the old version of IP Biometrix. IP Biometrix is a very new company, established at the end of 2023, just around the time of the implied rejected proposal.
::::::::Second, their statement completely omits any mention of "Burrata Italiana," despite it being owned by the same group. Is this supposed to be implied? My evidence specifically identifies the biometric dashboard screenshots as originating from the Burrata Italiana location in Varna.
::::::::Third, the article on Boulevard Bulgaria (one of the most shared articles regarding the topic), in my eyes, appears to be paid or ordered content, mirroring Happy's language almost verbatim without independent verification. It is even on their top page (archived here: https://web.archive.org/web/20260312235007/https://boulevardbulgaria.bg/). Meanwhile, they are attempting to discredit consumerrights.wiki by calling it an unverified anonymous wiki. THIS ATTACKS THE INTEGRITY OF THE WHOLE PLATFORM! I must stand firm that I am NOT spreading misinformation; I am documenting archived vendor evidence and public records. For the past couple of hours, I have made as many archives as possible for any news articles, blogs, and information regarding this.
::::::::They are trying to suppress the discussion before it has begun, but I believe it's too late. Many people have already shared this on social media and are also quite sceptical of Happy's response. A deeper dive into IP Biometrix as a whole is needed to check whether other companies also use such a system. They are very shady; they have many other "partners." They are the main issue. I will try to update the page with their denial as soon as possible, but contextualise it with these contradictions so readers see the full picture.
::::::::For your reference, here are some of the key articles circulating regarding this situation:
::::::::Post in r/bulgaria: Where it all started. After this thread was made, this issue gained massive traction in no time, featuring thousands of views and hundreds of comments from concerned citizens, topping the weekly chart in less than 24 hours: https://www.reddit.com/r/bulgaria/comments/1rqxn90/%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8_%D0%B7%D0%B0_%D1%81%D1%8A%D0%B1%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%B1%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%B8_%D0%B4%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B8_%D0%B2_%D1%85%D0%B5%D0%BF%D0%B8/
::::::::Boulevard Bulgaria: This article mirrors the official corporate release almost verbatim and lacks independent verification. It appears to be coordinated PR rather than journalism: https://boulevardbulgaria.bg/articles/happy-tvardeniyata-che-verigata-sledi-klientite-si-s-ai-kameri-sa-absolyutno-neverni
::::::::Mobile Bulgaria: General news coverage discussing the allegations and the company's response. https://mobilebulgaria.com/news/izpolzva-li-happy-bar-grill-litsevo-razpoznavane-s-ai-v-restorantite-si
::::::::Kaldata: Technical analysis and reporting on the AI camera systems in restaurants and the company's response. https://www.kaldata.com/it-%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B8/ai-%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8-%D0%B2-%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5-%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B0-%D0%B7%D0%B0-%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B7-650764.html
::::::::Other useful information:
::::::::IP Biometrix: Their current website shows no information or response regarding the events. https://ip-biometrix.com/
::::::::Confirmation that this is indeed "Burrata Italiana Varna" in Varna, Bulgaria: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Burrata+Italiana+Varna/@43.1962014,27.9154998,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m6!3m5!1s0x40a453f66ec877b1:0x1331c25a3c536926!8m2!3d43.1962014!4d27.9180747!16s%2Fg%2F11js3ffhz7?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI2MDMxMS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D; [[:File:AI Surveillance Dashboard.png]]
::::::::There are other outlets covering this as well, but these are the primary sources needed. I am disgusted by Happy's answer and Boulevard Bulgaria's PR-like article. Please inform Louis to check the email I've sent about this issue; I've formulated all the needed information there. I am furious. [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 01:15, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Crucial note: While the filename indicates November 2024, this date relies on the vendor's naming convention and cannot be forensically verified. Additionally, there is another screenshot in the article from that same date (Screenshot-2024-11-09-121619.png), which may indicate that the screenshots were made when the article was posted rather than during live operation." [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 02:27, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Unfortunately, I cannot dedicate unlimited time to maintaining and updating this page alone given the rapid developments. I would greatly appreciate any help regarding that. :) [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 02:34, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::yep, we've recieved it alright. I'm reworking the article a bit at the moment, to ensure that it's a bit more neutral, fits our editorial policies etc., and does not make any original claims beyond those contained in sources. My current understanding is that there is no evidence that the system has been deployed at scale, as such I'm moving/renaming the article and rewording some of the content.
:::::::::I'd appreciate if you could keep your bg translation up-to-date with the changes made to the english article (or find someone who is able to do so) to make sure that it's in-line as well. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 07:08, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I've edited and added as much context as I could to both articles for now. I'm going to take a little break for the rest of the day. Thanks a lot for your support and dedication to this issue and the wiki as a whole. Talk to you soon! [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 09:56, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Lastly for now, could you move the translation to change the title? Разработка на биометричен инструмент за наблюдение на Happy Bar & Grill/Burrata. I suggest specifying Burrata in the English version as well, as we have implication from the company's response that the screenshot of the monitoring is real and not fabricated (pleas read their official response thoroughly before doing anything). [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 10:03, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

==Stub Pains==

Hey Keith,

I'm way out of my depth here with these stub notices, I added a stub to two new articles I made not realizing they would literally prevent my ability to add any text to the article.

links: [[AirPods Connection Vulnerability]] | [[AirPods Max Moisture Issue]]

When I attempt to make a change to the article, I was getting a stub deletion error. If I did something wrong, would you be able to explain what exactly happened with this so it doesn't happen again? [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 06:55, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

:(IN CASE YOU COULDN'T NOTICE, I'M NOT KEITH!) This is a common issue that users have had for a very long time now. If you edit anywhere before or on the line of the stub notice, something called the abuse filter says "nope, lol, nice try" and blocks the edit. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:18, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
::Should work now. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
:Ah, I think I did the same thing as ACRP, but the stub notices are now on their own line and not touching anything else, so there shouldn't be any further issues [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:30, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

==Publicising RfCs==

Hello, the RfCs you made haven't gotten any attention. Should we publicise them better? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:34, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

:Yeah, I'll set up some kind of hub that includes pages with the RfC category or something. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:23, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
::ok, I made a category for open and closed RfCs, transcluded them on a page, and linked to it from the policy index. idk if there's anywhere else it should be? I guess it's probably worth mentioning on some of the guide-y pages [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:44, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

==Arbys article weird ref issue==

[[Arby's]]

hey keith, when I look at the arby's article, it says in the references, ref goes here, but then when I try to edit it out, it goes away. is there any way to fix this? If you figure out a way, I'd love to know. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 16:09, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

:That ref is caused by [[Template:Ph-C-Int]]. Remove that and the ref will disappear as well. You can't delete the ref without deleting the box. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 09:39, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

Happy Bar & Grill Biometric Surveillance

2026-03-13T09:08:52Z

Keith: fixed redirect

#REDIRECT [[Happy Bar & Grill biometric surveillance tool development]]

Talk:Happy Bar & Grill biometric surveillance tool development

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Keith: Keith moved page Talk:Happy Bar & Grill biometric surveillance tool evelopment to Talk:Happy Bar & Grill biometric surveillance tool development: typo

== FCK U HAPPY! THIS SHOULD BE ILLEGAL ==

THEY ARE USING THIS WITHOUT OUR CONSEST [[Special:Contributions/2A02:26F7:E180:4180:0:6000:0:3|2A02:26F7:E180:4180:0:6000:0:3]] 16:51, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

Happy Bar & Grill biometric surveillance tool development

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Keith: Keith moved page Happy Bar & Grill biometric surveillance tool evelopment to Happy Bar & Grill biometric surveillance tool development: typo

==Overview==
Happy Bar & Grill, a Bulgarian restaurant chain, faced public backlash following revelations regarding an AI facial recognition system that biometrically profiles customers. The system, developed by vendor IP Biometrix, tracks physical attributes, infers ethnicity categories, and analyses emotional states. While the company stated the technology was intended to monitor staff "smiles," evidence suggests it processed customer data without transparent notice or valid legal basis under GDPR.<ref name="ip-biometrix" /> The company later acknowledged testing the system in late 2023 before officially rejecting it, though discrepancies remain regarding the timeline and vendor documentation.<ref name="happy-statement" />

==Background==
Happy Bar & Grill is a Bulgarian restaurant chain operating multiple locations across Bulgaria, Romania, Spain, and the United Kingdom.<ref name="happy-bg" /> According to an official statement released in 12 March 2026, the chain received an offer for an AI-powered facial recognition system from Bulgarian security vendor IP Biometrix in 2023. The company stated the system was tested between September and December 2023<ref name="burrata-bg" /> before being officially rejected on 14 December 2023.<ref name="happy-statement" /> However, archived evidence from IP Biometrix's portfolio displays implementation data and screenshots dated as late as November 2024, suggesting the vendor continued to showcase the project after the alleged rejection.<ref name="ip-biometrix" /> The system was marketed for "smile monitoring" of staff to generate employee performance rankings but utilised existing security cameras for real-time facial recognition of clients.

==Biometric surveillance without notice==
[[File:Customer Analysis Report.png|thumb|300px|''Demographic Data (Age and Gender distribution) generated by the AI facial recognition system'']]
IP Biometrix's portfolio page demonstrates the system processes both employees and customers. A sample image shows multiple individuals labelled as "Subject 6053," "6054," and "6055" with extensive biometric attributes tracked. It is important to note that the displayed percentages (e.g., ethnicity scores) represent AI confidence levels regarding specific selected individuals, rather than aggregate counts of demographics within the venue.<ref name="ip-biometrix" /> Tracked attributes include:

*Physical features: glasses, dark glasses, beard, moustache, blink, mouth open, mask presence, "face quality"
*Ethnicity classifications: white, black, Asian, Hispanic, Indian, Arabian (displayed as confidence scores per subject)
*Emotional states: neutral, anger, contempt, disgust, fear, and others

IP Biometrix's portfolio page was captured by the Internet Archive on 2 January 2026. Demonstration images within the portfolio contain filenames dated to at least 9 November 2024 (e.g., "Screenshot-2024-11-09-120029.png").<ref name="ip-biometrix" />

''Note on Evidence Dates: While the filenames indicate November 2024, this date relies on the vendor's naming convention and cannot be forensically verified independently. Additionally, another screenshot in the article shares the same date ("Screenshot-2024-11-09-121619.png"), which may indicate the images were generated when the portfolio article was posted rather than during live operation. However, other statistics in the portfolio reference data from September 2023.''

Patrons entering affected locations received no visible signage at entrances or within dining areas informing them that their facial biometrics were being captured, analysed, or stored during the testing period. Happy's published privacy policy makes no mention of facial recognition, biometric processing, or AI surveillance systems in restaurants.<ref name="happy-privacy" /> Under the EU General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR), facial recognition constitutes processing of biometric data—a "special category" of personal data requiring explicit consent or another narrow legal basis under Article 9.<ref name="gdpr-article9" /> Inferring ethnicity and emotional states triggers additional restrictions as these reveal "racial or ethnic origin" and constitute sensitive psychological profiling. The absence of transparent notice before data collection violates GDPR Articles 13–14, while processing customers' biometrics for staff performance monitoring lacks a proportionate legal basis under Articles 6 and 9.<ref name="gdpr-article9" /> Under Bulgarian national guidance, the Commission for Personal Data Protection (CPDP) has stated that processing biometric data in shops and restaurants for the purpose of analyzing customer behavior, gender, or age cannot be based on "legitimate interest." The CPDP emphasizes that placing information signs is insufficient to achieve "explicit consent."<ref name="cpdp-opinion" />

[[File:AI Surveillance Dashboard.png|thumb|center|500px|''Real-Time Biometric Profiling of Customers (Subjects 6053–6055), Including Ethnicity Inference and Emotion Detection (Burrata Italiana Varna, Varna, Bulgaria)'']]

==Company's response==
On 12 March 2026, Happy Bar & Grill issued an official statement addressing the allegations. The company categorically denied current use of the system, stating that no such software or technology is currently used in Happy restaurants. They acknowledged receiving an offer from GI Mobility Services (linked to IP Biometrix) in 2023 and confirmed testing occurred between September and December 2023. The company stated they officially rejected the proposal on 14 December 2023, citing the solution was unnecessary for their operations.<ref name="happy-statement" />

The statement did not explicitly address the "Burrata Italiana" locations where evidence suggests the dashboard was active. Furthermore, the company claimed to have notified the administrators of ConsumerRights.wiki demanding the removal of the documentation within 24 hours, labeling the information as fake news from an anonymous source.<ref name="happy-statement" /> IP Biometrix removed the portfolio page showcasing the Happy Bar & Grill implementation during a site renovation prior to March 2026. The content is now preserved through the Internet Archive's Wayback Machine capture from 2 January 2026.<ref name="ip-biometrix" />

==Community analysis and response==
Following the company's statement, community analysis highlighted several discrepancies. While Happy Bar & Grill denied current use, privacy advocates argue that testing the system on customers without consent between September and December 2023 still constitutes a violation of GDPR. IP Biometrix's portfolio displayed data dated November 2024—almost a year after Happy claims to have rejected the system. This suggests either the system was tested beyond the stated period, or the vendor misrepresented the partnership status.<ref name="ip-biometrix" />

Additional concerns have been raised regarding IP Biometrix's other projects, including camera systems at the University of National and World Economy (UNWE), and their list of partners, which was removed from their website. Consumer awareness of the surveillance system gained traction on 11 March 2026, following a post on the subreddit r/bulgaria featuring the wiki page. The thread gathered thousands of views and hundreds of comments within hours. Affected customers may exercise GDPR rights by:

*Submitting Subject Access Requests (Article 15) demanding all biometric data processed about them
*Filing complaints with Bulgaria's Commission for Personal Data Protection<ref name="cpdp-bg" />
*Requesting deletion of biometric templates under the right to erasure (Article 17)

==References==
<references>
<ref name="ip-biometrix">{{Cite web |title=Face recognition solution for Happy Bar & Grill |url=https://ip-biometrix.com/portfolio/happy-face-recognition/ |website=IP Biometrix |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20260102224149/https://ip-biometrix.com/portfolio/happy-face-recognition/ |archive-date=2 January 2026 |access-date=4 March 2026}}</ref>
<ref name="happy-bg">{{Cite web |title=Happy Bar & Grill |url=https://happy.bg/ |website=happy.bg |access-date=4 March 2026}}</ref>
<ref name="happy-privacy">{{Cite web |title=Privacy Policy |url=https://happy.bg/en/privacy_policy |website=happy.bg |access-date=4 March 2026}}</ref>
<ref name="happy-statement">{{Cite web |title=Official Statement regarding AI camera allegations |url=https://boulevardbulgaria.bg/articles/happy-tvardeniyata-che-verigata-sledi-klientite-si-s-ai-kameri-sa-absolyutno-neverni |website=Boulevard Bulgaria |access-date=12 March 2026}}</ref>
<ref name="gdpr-article9">{{Cite web |title=Regulation (EU) 2016/679, Article 9 |url=https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2016/679/art_9/oj |publisher=EUR-Lex |access-date=4 March 2026}}</ref>
<ref name="cpdp-bg">{{Cite web |title=Commission for Personal Data Protection |url=https://www.cpdp.bg/en/ |website=cpdp.bg |access-date=4 March 2026}}</ref>
<ref name="cpdp-opinion">{{Cite web |title=Statement of the CPDP regarding the use of video surveillance with biometric data |url=https://cpdp.bg/%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%89%D0%B5-%D0%BD%D0%B0-%D0%BA%D0%B7%D0%BB%D0%B4-%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BD%D0%BE-%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B7%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5-2/ |website=cpdp.bg |access-date=11 March 2026}}</ref>
<ref name="burrata-bg">{{Cite web |title=Burrata Italiana - About |url=https://burrata.bg/about |website=burrata.bg |access-date=11 March 2026}}</ref>
</references>
[[Category:2026 incidents]]

Talk:Happy Bar & Grill biometric surveillance tool commissioning

2026-03-13T09:04:34Z

Keith: Keith moved page Talk:Happy Bar & Grill biometric surveillance tool commissioning to Talk:Happy Bar & Grill biometric surveillance tool evelopment

#REDIRECT [[Talk:Happy Bar & Grill biometric surveillance tool evelopment]]

Talk:Happy Bar & Grill biometric surveillance tool development

2026-03-13T09:04:34Z

Keith: Keith moved page Talk:Happy Bar & Grill biometric surveillance tool commissioning to Talk:Happy Bar & Grill biometric surveillance tool evelopment

== FCK U HAPPY! THIS SHOULD BE ILLEGAL ==

THEY ARE USING THIS WITHOUT OUR CONSEST [[Special:Contributions/2A02:26F7:E180:4180:0:6000:0:3|2A02:26F7:E180:4180:0:6000:0:3]] 16:51, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

Happy Bar & Grill biometric surveillance tool development

2026-03-13T09:04:33Z

Keith: Keith moved page Happy Bar & Grill biometric surveillance tool commissioning to Happy Bar & Grill biometric surveillance tool evelopment

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2026-03-13T07:08:53Z

Keith: /* Regarding a recent article I created */ Reply

[[User:Alexa|Alexa]] ([[User talk:Alexa|talk]]) 16 May 2025

Hello @[[User:Keith|Keith]],

I'm interested in helping with the wiki, and specifically I have real world example, but would like to check if it's a good fit here or not.

And I can't talk in discord, as it's forcing me to submit my email.

Is this a good place to start conversation on adding new company, and fitness of the case.

Thank you.

∼∼∼∼

Hi @[[User:Alexa|Alexa]]!

No problem at all - go ahead and let me know what your thought is and I'll give you my thoughts on whether/how it fits on the wiki!

[[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 20:03, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

[[User:Alexa|Alexa]] ([[User talk:Alexa|talk]]) 06:36, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

@[[User:Keith|Keith]],

There is company in California that offers indoor skydiving, and obviously they have waiver to sign (with arbitration 😃), but it's not the issue I found there, but that part of that waiver is "consent" to "grant exclusive permission" to take photo/video, and use it in their promotional materials, and there is no way to sign the waiver without consenting to that photo/video permission, online form doesn't allow you to proceed. And even when we went to the place itself, staff said that "corporate doesn't allow them to print out forms to fill out, anymore, and all waivers need to be filled in online", means we can't opt out from that photo/video consent. So my kid ended up not taking that "flight", because we couldn't sign the waiver without consenting to photos.

Thank you.

[[User:Alexa|Alexa]] ([[User talk:Alexa|talk]]) 17 May 2025

@[[User:Alexa|Alexa]]

I think that fits the bill - although it's a smaller company, it fits within the frame of modern consumer protection and demonstrates how draconian the terms for even something like that can be.
Go for it! I'd probably say that this is a case where a company article can be created, and the TOS issue can be neatly summarised within it, as opposed to being a seperate incident article.

Edit: actually, I might have got ahead of myself - is this something which has been covered or discussed annywhere other than by yourself? If not, it may fall foul of the No Original Research rule, although a very basic page which basically just lays out the facts which can be established from their website and TOS, and does not provide any commentary beyond this, might be ok.

[[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 07:55, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

==Re: CAT Documentation==
[[User:Keith|@Keith]] I've replied to your message at [[User talk:Travis]]. Let me know if you'd like to discuss further approaches to organizing the documentation. [[User:Travis|Travis]] ([[User talk:Travis|talk]]) 14:43, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

==Delegating tasks==

Hello Keith,

You said at the meetup that you found it easy to delegate.

This interests me because when I was in business, I found it difficult delegate: did not believe people could not do a good enough job and I would be still responsible for the results.

Is this topic of interest to you?

∼∼∼∼

[[User:Janosabel|Janosabel]] ([[User talk:Janosabel|talk]]) 22:48, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

:I think that in the context of wikis or any kind of community project, one needs to be able to trust others to get anywhere (perhaps with some verification too at times).
:I'm under absolutely no illusion that I can do all or even much of this by myself, and we have some really talented and great people on the team!
:There's no way of achieving the results we'd want without spreading the workload and decision-making responsibility. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 09:33, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
::I understand what you mean.
::Just realised, I was speaking about me half a century ago; and not being able to trust delegees cost me a burnout. Without delegation even if imperfect, what must be done cannot be done.
::Unfortunately I cannot help by contributing to the Wiki for lack of academic training in the required writing style, but put on my talk page a witness account how supermarkets expanding to local areas are killing independent small traders.
::PS. What is the difference between <edit source> and using the <reply> button? [[User:Janosabel|Janosabel]] ([[User talk:Janosabel|talk]]) 20:05, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
:::I think the reply button just opens up a small window of the editor, and applies the signature to the message automatically? I'll have a look at what you mentioned, but I'm not sure it quite fits the theme of the Wiki, as we're keeping it focused on anti-consumer activities, rather than general issues with corporate behaviour.
:::And yes, I'll be careful on burnout! I want to avoid the combination of this and my day job driving me mad... [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 23:02, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

==Thanks and silly questions==

Hi Keith,

thanks for adding me to the confirmed users. Total newbie here, i have no idea how to properly contribute. I tried to start a discussion in the Category Leagislation Africa, not sure if it was posted.

Should i ask it directly here? or keep it in that category?

Mika, Madagascar. [[User:Mikadago|Mikadago]] ([[User talk:Mikadago|talk]]) 11:42, 16 August 2025 (UTC)

:I'm happy to reply there, though it will take a few mins to put together an answer and provide some guidance on where best to include the information [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 13:28, 16 August 2025 (UTC)

==Is the main Miku article ready to have the stub removed?==

[[Miku]]

I've been working on getting to Miku article to a better place, is there anything else you think I should add to it before the stub is removed? [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 01:20, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

:Happy to remove the incomplete notice as it's defeinitely better sourced now, but I think it might be s good idea for you to have a look at how the controversies/incidents section is laid out on the [[Netflix]] article, as the way it's done in the Miku article is a little strange, especially with the 'this article sumarizes' bits at the start of paragraphs
:In any case, thank you for the good work! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 08:46, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

==Why was my page deleted?==

I also see no notices or notifications in regard to this. I thought the whole point of this was for transparency? [[User:Slab Man|Slab Man]] ([[User talk:Slab Man|talk]]) 21:12, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

:From what I can tell you created the article with, other than the information from the form, just a couple of sentences containing an accusation without any citation or reference to support it. After around 12 hours, Mr Pollo added a deletion notice to the article, as there was virtually no information contained in the article. After a couple more days, as the article had not been edited or improved, it was deleted.
:I can't speak to the lack of notifications - usually whenever an article you've been involved in is edited, it will show up in your inbox in the top right of the screen. It's possible that the full deletion of the article resulted in it removing the notifications; I'm not exactly sure of how that interaction works [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 23:01, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
::Well I planned to add more details and citations when I had time. It can't be a draft/work in progress? You have to write everything in one go? [[User:Slab Man|Slab Man]] ([[User talk:Slab Man|talk]]) 04:44, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
:::The wiki generally expects an article to have at least a few references and all of the template parts at least partially filled in within the first few days of an article's creation. [[User:JamesTDG|JamesTDG]] ([[User talk:JamesTDG|talk]]) 05:59, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
:::I'll second what James said, and also add that it's possible to create draft pages within your user space. You do this by adding 'user:[yourname]/' to the start of the page name. This keeps it out of mainspace, meaning it is not searchable by the main search bar.
:::Currently this policy you've encountered is unwritten, so I'll add it to the moderator guidelines shortly. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 06:30, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
::::Noted. It would be great if there was a regular draft function like in almost every software. (So this doesn’t happen to other new users after their first contribution.) Honestly, after you deleted it, it felt like my contribution is unwanted. [[User:Slab Man|Slab Man]] ([[User talk:Slab Man|talk]]) 04:31, 21 August 2025 (UTC)
:::::That's fair enough - we should add some more text to the article creation flow which explains how user space works, how to make a draft article, and what the policy for handling new articles is. If you'd like, I can get the text from the deleted article and put it on your user talk page or something so you can pick it up from where you left off? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 10:37, 21 August 2025 (UTC)
::::::Thank you that would be great. Looking forward to helping out! [[User:Slab Man|Slab Man]] ([[User talk:Slab Man|talk]]) 18:32, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

==Interenet Archive stub notice seems badly placed==

Hi @[[User:Keith|Keith]], the stub notice on [[Internet Archive]] seems to be after the lead section and not before it. Can you please fix this? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:40, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

:Done! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 08:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

==Question about re-use of sources for LiveView Article==

Hey Keith,

I noticed that for the [[LiveView Technologies AI Surveillance]] article, the same source has been re-used multiple times but shows up with a different citation number. Namely the citations number 6,32, and 33 are duplicates of 4 (LVT Use Cases in Law Enforcement), 14 is a duplicate of 5 (AI-Driven Mobile Security for Every Threat), 35 is a duplicate of 8 (Fusion Centers), and 21 is a duplicate of 20 (Mobile cameras deployed at Monroe County Office Building amid security concerns)

Also the links are missing the archive URLs in the references and some don't have author first and last name or date where they are available on the site or the date is incorrect.

I have a version of the article which shrinks the list of references (citation 33 is now a re-use of citation 4 for that section for example) and also has the relevant archive links and names and dates for each reference where possible.

Should I commit the change? I know that this article may be looked at be people very soon and I'd rather get your approval to change it and have you ready to roll-back or append to it in case you don't like it. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 18:47, 26 August 2025 (UTC)

:I think I'm going to commit the change now, you're free to revert it or check it over in case I messed something up. In the event this article is mentioned at City hall on Thursday, I want it to be the best it can be.
:Thank you for helping with the wiki. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 19:03, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you! and yeah, if you notice small formating issues (especially with an article louis has been working on :P ) just go ahead and make the change - that's the way of the wiki! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:41, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
:::Small formatting issues or other non-obvious things like referencing problems* [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:41, 26 August 2025 (UTC)

==Proposal to add a section for organized meetings. (might be a better name for this)==

Hey Keith, I hope I'm not posting here again too early.

I thought about how every time Louis wants to generate interest for a particular issue with regards to getting viewers to organize, most of the time he has to do a video on it and these calls for organization when fighting for a particular issue (such as LVT tomorrow) are based in the United States.

I don't know if this already exists on the wiki (if it does, i'd like to know where it is), but do you think it would be a good idea to create a page specifically for posting the dates and instructions for showing up to demonstrations or hearings for the purposes of pushing back against anti-consumer or anti-privacy related issues? (This could be world-wide).

If someone from the UK for example wanted to organize a demonstration or have people speak at or attend an open council meeting, they would edit a row of a wiki table and list the time of the demonstration, an additional page describing the instructions or requirements to attend, and the issue that will be talked about (similar to rossmanngroup.com/clippyone).

I feel that with something like this, organizing both members of the public and members of the wiki regardless of country would be much easier and could provide a centralized and updated list of upcoming events based on user submission and moderator approval.

Let me know what you think about something like this when you're free to reply, I'd like to hear your thoughts in addition to anyone else who sees this and wants to talk about it. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 17:11, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

:It's definitely on the edge of what makes sense here, but I think that it's worth considering as it could well be useful. Might be something that will end up being done through FULU though in the end... maybe some kind of 'events noticeboard' a bit like the moderator notice could work? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 20:25, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
::An "events noticeboard" in the way you describe it with moderation is exactly what I was thinking. You're right about how it should be done through FULU directly instead of the wiki, that's a better idea.
::Thanks for your input, I appreciate it. I was just wondering if it was a completely off-the-wall idea. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 23:16, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

==BT article==

Hello Keith, remember [[BT's Digital Voice service in the UK isn't good for the Elderly|this article]]? I pinged you 16 days ago but it seems that it didn’t work and I’ve forgotten about it since. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 19:27, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

:Thanks for the reminder! as we were both in agreement, I removed the article. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 06:48, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

==Privacy notice change==

Hello Keith, I was looking through things in the Mediawiki namespace to see how backend works, when I noticed the [[Mediawiki:Footer-privacy-notice]] page and it reminded me of [[Talk:Main Page#stating "Recently updated" not particularly helpful|this on the main page]]. Can we change it quickly or does it need to be done backend? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:37, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

:We're going to do a policy update and a full review of that stuff when we update the backend tomorrow, so I'll make sure it's handled [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:01, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

==Protect Template:Welcome==

Hello, am contacting you directly as I think it is the best way to make this happen, but PLEASE protect Template:Welcome, I doubt we'll get vandalism on there but if we do and it sends a message with it we're done for... [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:06, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

:Oh, also can you make the bot substitute (make the template not change on that page even after it gets updated) the templates for the sake of preservation of the page? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:08, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks @[[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] for getting that first one!
::I think I get what you mean re. the substitution, but have no idea how to do it. Will look into it [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:30, 14 October 2025 (UTC)
:Done. Thanks for bringing it up! I'm not sure about your second question though, so I'll leave that to Keith. [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 18:26, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
::Second one is complicated, but the first one is the only important one. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:39, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

==Is it fine for me to get an alternate account?==

Edit: Have no clue why I'd need this in practice, so forget about it. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:33, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

:no worries. In answer to your question, as long as we're notified, and there are no sockpuppetry shenanigans, then the answer is yes. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:39, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

==Do you mind if I use AutoWikiBrowser on the CRW?==

Hello, I recently heard about a tool called [[wikipedia:WP:AWB|AutoWikiBrowser]] which is a semi-automated tool meant to help for repetitive smaller edits which I do a lot, do you mind if I use it and if you don't mind, should I use an alternate account for it (maybe with 'bot flag' even though it's not a bot so it doesn't show??) Edit: Also, the page to get this, [[Special:BotPasswords|BotPasswords]], lets you change grants for people/things with the password, so is it okay to let people/things with the password edit protected pages (for things like typo-fixing Project namespace pages)? It is risky if it is obtained.[[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:23, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

:Happy for you to use that! sounds like a great tool. No strong opinions on whetehr you make a separate account for it [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:11, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
::On the passwords front, I'm not sure how exactly that works. Does it give you the ability to use your own account via API? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:14, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
:::Yes, botpasswords is pretty much that. It lets you change permissions too, so I can give it only specific permissions for safety reasons. Also, as for the ‘seperate account thing’ Botpasswords (the one that I can use) gives me a new account anyway so there’s no reason for it, just me misunderstanding the usage. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 14:16, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
::::Cool, that sounds fine then! do you need me to do anything to get it set up? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:20, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::No, I’ll do it myself when I next get a chance on my PC (without any special perms as I don’t know why I’d need that!) [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 14:21, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

==Found Large Amount of 404 links for flock article==

Page link: [[Flock license plate readers]]

Hey Keith,

I was checking the sources in the above article and noticed that for a large section of it, the sources will lead directly to pages which either don't exist or result in 404. I really hope that this is just a problem on my end and isn't really the case. Below is the complete list of all sources I found that lead to 404'd pages. On the actual article page, I have also marked the following with the status of usurped for the time being.

{| class="wikitable"
|+
!Ref #

!Title

!Issue

!Archive state

!Link

|-
|20
|"How Vehicle Fingerprint Technology Works"
|404
|no archive
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https://www.flocksafety.com/resources/how-vehicle-fingerprint-technology-works
|-
|21
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"License Plate Surveillance Company Can Now Capture Images of Vehicle Occupants' Faces"
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404
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no archive
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https://www.404media.co/flock-safety-can-now-capture-faces-of-vehicle-occupants/
|-
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22
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"Transforming Flock: Beyond License Plate Reading to Deliver Greater Insights for Solving Crime"
|
404
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no archive
|

https://www.flocksafety.com/newsroom/transforming-flock-beyond-license-plate-reading-to-deliver-greater-insights-for-solving-crime/
|-
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24
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"Atlas of Surveillance: Flock Safety"
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goes to deeplinks blog, but no article
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no archive
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https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/04/atlas-surveillance-flock-safety
|-
|
25
|
"Leaders of a Beautiful Struggle v. Baltimore Police Department"
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404
|no archive
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https://www.eff.org/cases/leaders-beautiful-struggle-v-baltimore-police-department
|-
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26
|
"Carpenter and the Evolving Fourth Amendment"
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404
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no archive
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https://www.law.georgetown.edu/american-criminal-law-review/wp-content/uploads/sites/15/2023/01/60-1-Carpenter-and-the-Evolving-Fourth-Amendment.pdf
|-
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27
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"Leaders of a Beautiful Struggle v. Baltimore Police Department"
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404
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no archive
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https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67689711/leaders-of-a-beautiful-struggle-v-baltimore-police-department/
|-
|28
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"Illinois Compiled Statutes - Freedom from Drone Surveillance Act"
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404
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no archive
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https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs3.asp?ActID=3541&ChapterID=53
|-
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29
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"RSA 236:130 Automated License Plate Recognition"
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potential 404
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no archive
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http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XXI/236/236-130.htm
|-
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32
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"Surveillance firm provided ICE access to license plate reader systems"
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404
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no archive
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jul/15/flock-safety-ice-license-plate-reader
|-
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33
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"How Flock Safety is Building a Surveillance Network for ICE"
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404
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no archive
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https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/03/flock-safety-and-ice
|-
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34
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"ICE Surveillance of Immigrants and Advocates"
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404
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no archive
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https://americanoversight.org/investigation/ice-surveillance-of-immigrants-and-advocates/
|-
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35
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"ACLU Obtains Records Showing ICE Using License Plate Readers in Sanctuary Cities"
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404
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no archive
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https://www.aclunc.org/news/aclu-obtains-records-showing-ice-using-license-plate-readers-sanctuary-cities
|-
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36
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"License Plate Readers Are Creating a US-Wide Database of More Than Just Cars"
|404
|no archive
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https://www.vice.com/en/article/license-plate-readers-abortion-clinics-texas
|-
|37
|"Reproductive Surveillance in Post-Roe America"
|404
|no archive
|https://www.surveillancewatch.io/reproductive-surveillance-post-roe/
|-
|38
|"State Shield Laws and Reproductive Privacy"
|dead site
|no archive
|https://reproductiverights.gov/shield-laws/
|-
|39
|"Flock Safety Employees Caught Misusing Access to Surveillance Network"
|404
|no archive
|https://www.wired.com/story/flock-safety-employees-misuse-access/
|-
|40
|"Audit Reveals Hundreds of Flock Safety Privacy Violations"
|404
|no archive
|https://www.techdirt.com/2024/05/15/audit-reveals-hundreds-of-flock-safety-privacy-violations/
|-
|41
|"When License Plate Readers Become Tools for Stalking"
|404
|no archive
|https://apnews.com/article/license-plate-readers-police-misuse-stalking
|-
|42
|"Detroit Officer Fired for Using City Cameras to Track Ex-Wife"
|404
|no archive
|https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/detroit-city/2024/03/officer-fired-tracking-ex-wife/
|-
|43
|"Proactive Security Disclosure Q2 2025"
|404
|no archive
|https://www.flocksafety.com/blog/proactive-security-disclosure-q2-2025
|}
If you discover no issues (or the formatting of this table turns out horrible and breaks your talk page), disregard this and remove my topic from your page. And revert the change I made to the article where I marked the mentioned links as usurped.

Hopefully if these sites really lead to nothing and it's not just me, then the table makes it easy for you to do something. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 02:52, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

:Had a bit of a dig and my suspicion, expecially since these references are all next to each other, is that there was probably some AI chicanery in the making of the article.
:Seem to be poitentially based on real pages, e.g. this one:
:https://www.eff.org/document/fourth-circuit-ruling-leaders-beautiful-struggle-v-baltimore-police-department
:is probably meant to be #25 instead of what is currently there
:I'd recommend sticking this table on the Flock talk page (if you haven't already) and letting people know they might need to look for what these links are meant to be [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:19, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
::I went ahead and added the table to the discussion tab. Should there be a notice at the top of the Flock page to make people aware? Or leave it as is? [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 17:42, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
:::Nevermind about the notice. The references were small enough to not need them for the most part. I started working on fixing some of them [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 18:30, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

==Oversighted something==

Hello, Keith! I just wanted to let you know I just gave myself the 'suppressor' user right as I oversighted what I think could be your IP address for privacy reasons. The info is at [[Special:Diff/805]]. If it isn't your IP address, feel free to revert what I just did. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 11:32, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

:I think it might have been (though very good chance it was some temp VPN/mobile IP address). In any case, thank you for spotting it! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 12:09, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

==being able to edit Discussions==

hey so I just discovered I can edit discussions. not only mine but any1 elses. is this an oversight? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 20:23, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

:Not sure - might just be how wikis are (given that edit logs are public, it's pretty easy to combat anyone trying to abuse it, same as with article vandalism)
:I'll page in @[[User:UntoK|UntoK]] in case it's something that isn't how it should be [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 23:13, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
::Nah, that's MediaWiki. Nothing unusual there. Edit Source is actually the default way to edit discussions in MediaWiki, but the interface is changed by an extension (forgot the name), so that it shows as this instead of just the edit source button. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:37, 5 December 2025 (UTC)
:::dk y I didn't notice that b4. I've been on and off w contribs so thought smth changed since my last visit. anyhow thanks for clearing up the concern. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:00, 8 December 2025 (UTC)

=="fixing" recent changes==

since the introduction of [[Template:Welcome]], [[Special:RecentChanges]] has become a graveyard of User:Talks that I have to sift through in order to double check people's work. can we please block [[User:New_user_message]] from showing up on there?

edit: the bot bypasses the "Human (not bot) active filter
[[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 22:12, 26 December 2025 (UTC)

:yeah, that's a localsettings.php part that Keith can pass on to Unto. setting $wgNewUserSuppressRC to true should work. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:50, 1 January 2026 (UTC)
::as a temp fix, [https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Special:RecentChanges?hidebots=1&namespace=3&invert=1&limit=100&days=7&enhanced=1&urlversion=2 this] should work [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:54, 1 January 2026 (UTC)
:::legend. thank you [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 18:43, 1 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Hi @[[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] - took a bit of a break over the holidays so sorry for not replying. I'll contact Unto and see if he can take a look [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:12, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::Fair enough! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:49, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::any update? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 17:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I've put Unto on it but no update. I'll chase him [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:30, 13 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Darth Sidious says "do it". [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:36, 14 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::any update? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 23:08, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I think it's been fixed? I don't see New User Message clogging up the feed anymore [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:54, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I certainly remember that we tried to fix it, and I think it seemed to work [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:54, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::oh... I was using ACRP's temp fix so I did not realize and thought it was still broken lol [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:06, 1 March 2026 (UTC)

==*sigh*==

Where are the projects (again)? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:04, 19 January 2026 (UTC)

:deja vu? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 18:42, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
::[[Consumer_Rights_Wiki_talk:Moderators%27_noticeboard#*sigh*|oh]] [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 18:48, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
:::LOL, made me chuckle seeing your replies! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:55, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
::::hey as a wise man once said "if you are good at something, never do it for free". that'll be $5 my friend [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:05, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::yeah, replied on the noticeboard, but just adding here - I think an update must have broken it. have contacted Unto [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 01:07, 20 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] @[[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] Fixed! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:52, 20 January 2026 (UTC)

==sorry for the ping==

I used the intro text from [[Texas Attorney General sues multiple TV makers over ACR user data collection]] to add to the Incidents section for each of the mentioned companies. In the edit summary I linked you. Ik that @ and [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 22:33, 21 January 2026 (UTC) ping the user but idk abt linking. regardless sorry abt the pings

:th happened here? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 22:34, 21 January 2026 (UTC)
::No worries! I don't think @s in edit summaries cause pings anyway [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 22:37, 21 January 2026 (UTC)

==alternative to Discord==

I don't use Discord. many members of the wiki don't use Discord. can't talk on their behalf but I can mine. if there was a Matrix or heck Signal gc (lol), I'd love to be a part of it. are there any plans for migration off Discord or perhaps providing w an alternative they'd be more comfortable with? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:32, 23 January 2026 (UTC)

:We're hoping to get a Zulip bridge with the Discord in the next couple of months. This would allow people to essentially join the Discord without joining the Discord, with the exception of a couple of features like bot commands and voice channels. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 08:19, 24 January 2026 (UTC)
::lovely looking forward to it [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 09:44, 24 January 2026 (UTC)
:::is the Zulip bridge still under consideration following the impending age verification push in March? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 23:07, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
::::I've not heard of Zulip but it sounds like some sort of proxy? I'd prefer something like Matrix but that seems great too. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:44, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Zulip is a bit like a matrix/discord-y thing, and we'd use plugins to essentially crosspost everything that's sent to it to the discord and vice versa. It's still coming along but I've been crap and haven't got the server paid up yet. will try and do this next week and we can hopefully get it up shortly. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:45, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Just in case yous hadn't noticed it on the main page @[[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] @[[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]], we're moving our monthly hangout meetings from discord to zoom so as to include more of the community, and you're both welcome to join! first one is at 20:00 UTC tomorrow. if you pop me an email over to help@consumerrights.wiki, I'll send you the zoom link (son't want to posted publicly for obvious reasons) [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:50, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I've seen that, I'm not interested in joining though. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:21, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::oh I totally missed that. I'll shoot over an email and add it to my calendar but dk if I'll be able to join. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:09, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Apologies for not seeing this sooner - I'll send over a link just now! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:34, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Hi, any update on the Zulip bridge? Sorry for asking after such a short time but I'd really like to use it! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:24, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

==Can you help moving my page==

Sorry I said this 3 times or more, I got confused, can you move please, I moved it in wrong place, may I ask should I ask here instead of the pages I placed [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 21:23, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

:Thank you but should I create it in the user page just to clarify [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 21:34, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
::Don't want to be nuisance that all when doing my article [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 21:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I've replied on your user page - think it should be alright now? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 21:38, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
::::your user talk page* [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 21:38, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

==Adding categories==

Hello, please don't add categories in the visual editor as it doesn't work, instead simply type <code><nowiki>[[Category:CATEGORYNAME]]</nowiki></code> and replace CATEGORYNAME with the name of the category, otherwise it won't work. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:57, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:Apologies, thank you! I usually use source but I think there I just hit 'edit' by accident as was trying to set it up quickly. just so you know, I've replied to stefan's questions on the page he moved - thank you for moving the page he created! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 17:31, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

==Regarding a recent article I created==

Hello, Keith! I have finally decided to become a contributor here. The article I've been working on is [[Happy Bar & Grill Biometric Surveillance]]. However, when someone I've sent the link to opens it, they see the version that was last updated before I created my profile. What could be causing this? I apologise for any lack of knowledge on my part. [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 18:23, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:Unfortunately this is a problem with cloudflare's caching. If you wait a short while, or they log in, they should see the updated version. We've found a solution and will be shipping it with the next version of the wiki so that page edits are instantly reflected in cached versions of pages. Until then, it's just a case of waiting a while or logging in (logging in bypasses the cache as it needs to load user-specific elements). Great work on the article by the way! Just as a heads up, we're happy to have sources in non-english languages, so if you find any Bulgarian sources discussing it, those would be great to add to the article to demonstrate notability. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 18:42, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::Oops, apparently I was spreading misinformation on the internet regarding the exact reasons for it not being cached, but the gist is still the same, which is that logged-in users bypass the cache! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 18:48, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::Thank you for the swift reply and the explanation! It's so refreshing to see people working hard and helping others for a good cause. Also very happy to hear that you like how the article has turned out so far. I've extensively searched for any other sources regarding the issue, but found nothing. I guess someone has to start the discussion! :D
::Just to confirm: is the wiki English-only? I'd love to make the article more accessible to my compatriots, but I suppose I'll just tell them to use the automatic translation option on their browser. [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 21:05, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The wiki is english only yeah, for moderation purposes (we don't have a team that's reliably able to check the quality of non-english articles). if you wanted, though, we'd be happy for you to put a bulgarian version in your user space (i.e. the page lives at consumerrights.wiki/w/User:Juuns/[pagename]) - just make sure to put a note in english at the top so that none of the mods mistake it for a spam article! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 22:48, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Hey there, thanks for the advice! Is that alright? https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Iw/User:Juuns/%D0%91%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%BE_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BB%D1%8E%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%B2_Happy_Bar_%26_Grill_-_bg_translation_of_an_existing_article/&veaction=edit [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 08:35, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Yep! The URL looks cursed written out like that lol but it's in the right place [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:24, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Hello again, Keith!
::::::I and the small team I've created have made huge progress regarding the surveillance situation at Happy Bar and Dinner. We posted the wiki on the r/bulgaria subreddit, and it topped the daily chart in less than three hours. People are outraged.
::::::I've managed to contact an advocate from the opposition here who agreed to share the wiki on her Facebook page (over 10,000 followers). She also agreed to work with me to make the topic go viral and will send this to other human rights and anti-mafia activists in Bulgaria. We've planned to create several videos in various forms regarding the issue.
::::::I am writing with a big request that would be extremely beneficial to my cause and the wiki: Could you contact Louis Rossmann and share the wiki with him? Alternatively, you could connect him to me so I can tell him more about it.
::::::I understand this is a big request, but I would be very thankful for your help :) [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 18:43, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That's great! I've passed the info on, and will let you know the response
:::::::This is exactly how I've been hoping to see the wiki be used, so I'm really excited that it's getting picked up! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:20, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Hello again, Keith. Things are spreading like wildfire and are getting very heated. An official position from Happy Bar & Grill has been released. They are aggressively denying the claims, but their statement actually contains several contradictions that validate my research rather than disprove it.
::::::::In their official position, Happy Bar & Grill claims to have already notified the wiki's administrators (you and Rossmann, I suppose), issuing what they describe as a "categorical demand" for the removal of all alleged misinformation within a 24-hour ultimatum. Could you confirm if such a notice was received? A corporation issuing a 24-hour take-down ultimatum to an independent documentation project before any independent audit or regulatory investigation has taken place is simply outrageous.
::::::::Some of the main points I wanted to cover:
::::::::First, there is a major timeline discrepancy. Happy claims they received an offer from GI Mobility Services (linked to IP Biometrix? I cannot find any information about them, and other people have come up with nothing as well) in 2023 and officially rejected it on 14 December 2023. However, my archived evidence from IP Biometrix's portfolio shows a screenshot dated 9 November 2024—almost a year after they claim to have rejected the proposal. If they truly rejected the system in 2023, why does the vendor's portfolio display active implementation data from late 2024? Why was the article on their page until 2026? Also, there was an image displaying logos of partner companies still on IP Biometrix's page until 11 March 2026. They took that down just a few hours! This suggests either the system was further tested despite the rejection, or their timeline is fabricated to cover ongoing processing. My main hypothesis right now is that GI Mobility Services is the old version of IP Biometrix. IP Biometrix is a very new company, established at the end of 2023, just around the time of the implied rejected proposal.
::::::::Second, their statement completely omits any mention of "Burrata Italiana," despite it being owned by the same group. Is this supposed to be implied? My evidence specifically identifies the biometric dashboard screenshots as originating from the Burrata Italiana location in Varna.
::::::::Third, the article on Boulevard Bulgaria (one of the most shared articles regarding the topic), in my eyes, appears to be paid or ordered content, mirroring Happy's language almost verbatim without independent verification. It is even on their top page (archived here: https://web.archive.org/web/20260312235007/https://boulevardbulgaria.bg/). Meanwhile, they are attempting to discredit consumerrights.wiki by calling it an unverified anonymous wiki. THIS ATTACKS THE INTEGRITY OF THE WHOLE PLATFORM! I must stand firm that I am NOT spreading misinformation; I am documenting archived vendor evidence and public records. For the past couple of hours, I have made as many archives as possible for any news articles, blogs, and information regarding this.
::::::::They are trying to suppress the discussion before it has begun, but I believe it's too late. Many people have already shared this on social media and are also quite sceptical of Happy's response. A deeper dive into IP Biometrix as a whole is needed to check whether other companies also use such a system. They are very shady; they have many other "partners." They are the main issue. I will try to update the page with their denial as soon as possible, but contextualise it with these contradictions so readers see the full picture.
::::::::For your reference, here are some of the key articles circulating regarding this situation:
::::::::Post in r/bulgaria: Where it all started. After this thread was made, this issue gained massive traction in no time, featuring thousands of views and hundreds of comments from concerned citizens, topping the weekly chart in less than 24 hours: https://www.reddit.com/r/bulgaria/comments/1rqxn90/%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8_%D0%B7%D0%B0_%D1%81%D1%8A%D0%B1%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%B1%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%B8_%D0%B4%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B8_%D0%B2_%D1%85%D0%B5%D0%BF%D0%B8/
::::::::Boulevard Bulgaria: This article mirrors the official corporate release almost verbatim and lacks independent verification. It appears to be coordinated PR rather than journalism: https://boulevardbulgaria.bg/articles/happy-tvardeniyata-che-verigata-sledi-klientite-si-s-ai-kameri-sa-absolyutno-neverni
::::::::Mobile Bulgaria: General news coverage discussing the allegations and the company's response. https://mobilebulgaria.com/news/izpolzva-li-happy-bar-grill-litsevo-razpoznavane-s-ai-v-restorantite-si
::::::::Kaldata: Technical analysis and reporting on the AI camera systems in restaurants and the company's response. https://www.kaldata.com/it-%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B8/ai-%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8-%D0%B2-%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5-%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B0-%D0%B7%D0%B0-%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B7-650764.html
::::::::Other useful information:
::::::::IP Biometrix: Their current website shows no information or response regarding the events. https://ip-biometrix.com/
::::::::Confirmation that this is indeed "Burrata Italiana Varna" in Varna, Bulgaria: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Burrata+Italiana+Varna/@43.1962014,27.9154998,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m6!3m5!1s0x40a453f66ec877b1:0x1331c25a3c536926!8m2!3d43.1962014!4d27.9180747!16s%2Fg%2F11js3ffhz7?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI2MDMxMS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D; [[:File:AI Surveillance Dashboard.png]]
::::::::There are other outlets covering this as well, but these are the primary sources needed. I am disgusted by Happy's answer and Boulevard Bulgaria's PR-like article. Please inform Louis to check the email I've sent about this issue; I've formulated all the needed information there. I am furious. [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 01:15, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Crucial note: While the filename indicates November 2024, this date relies on the vendor's naming convention and cannot be forensically verified. Additionally, there is another screenshot in the article from that same date (Screenshot-2024-11-09-121619.png), which may indicate that the screenshots were made when the article was posted rather than during live operation." [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 02:27, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Unfortunately, I cannot dedicate unlimited time to maintaining and updating this page alone given the rapid developments. I would greatly appreciate any help regarding that. :) [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 02:34, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::yep, we've recieved it alright. I'm reworking the article a bit at the moment, to ensure that it's a bit more neutral, fits our editorial policies etc., and does not make any original claims beyond those contained in sources. My current understanding is that there is no evidence that the system has been deployed at scale, as such I'm moving/renaming the article and rewording some of the content.
:::::::::I'd appreciate if you could keep your bg translation up-to-date with the changes made to the english article (or find someone who is able to do so) to make sure that it's in-line as well. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 07:08, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

==Stub Pains==

Hey Keith,

I'm way out of my depth here with these stub notices, I added a stub to two new articles I made not realizing they would literally prevent my ability to add any text to the article.

links: [[AirPods Connection Vulnerability]] | [[AirPods Max Moisture Issue]]

When I attempt to make a change to the article, I was getting a stub deletion error. If I did something wrong, would you be able to explain what exactly happened with this so it doesn't happen again? [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 06:55, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

:(IN CASE YOU COULDN'T NOTICE, I'M NOT KEITH!) This is a common issue that users have had for a very long time now. If you edit anywhere before or on the line of the stub notice, something called the abuse filter says "nope, lol, nice try" and blocks the edit. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:18, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
::Should work now. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
:Ah, I think I did the same thing as ACRP, but the stub notices are now on their own line and not touching anything else, so there shouldn't be any further issues [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:30, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

==Publicising RfCs==

Hello, the RfCs you made haven't gotten any attention. Should we publicise them better? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:34, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

:Yeah, I'll set up some kind of hub that includes pages with the RfC category or something. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:23, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
::ok, I made a category for open and closed RfCs, transcluded them on a page, and linked to it from the policy index. idk if there's anywhere else it should be? I guess it's probably worth mentioning on some of the guide-y pages [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:44, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

==Arbys article weird ref issue==

[[Arby's]]

hey keith, when I look at the arby's article, it says in the references, ref goes here, but then when I try to edit it out, it goes away. is there any way to fix this? If you figure out a way, I'd love to know. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 16:09, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

Talk:Happy Bar & Grill Biometric Surveillance

2026-03-13T06:59:46Z

Keith: Keith moved page Talk:Happy Bar & Grill Biometric Surveillance to Talk:Happy Bar & Grill biometric surveillance tool commissioning: fixing sentence casing, and making it clear that the only thing demonstrated is that the tool has been developed. will be editing the article to reflect this

#REDIRECT [[Talk:Happy Bar & Grill biometric surveillance tool commissioning]]

Talk:Happy Bar & Grill biometric surveillance tool development

2026-03-13T06:59:46Z

== FCK U HAPPY! THIS SHOULD BE ILLEGAL ==

THEY ARE USING THIS WITHOUT OUR CONSEST [[Special:Contributions/2A02:26F7:E180:4180:0:6000:0:3|2A02:26F7:E180:4180:0:6000:0:3]] 16:51, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

Happy Bar & Grill Biometric Surveillance

2026-03-13T06:59:45Z

Keith: Keith moved page Happy Bar & Grill Biometric Surveillance to Happy Bar & Grill biometric surveillance tool commissioning: fixing sentence casing, and making it clear that the only thing demonstrated is that the tool has been developed. will be editing the article to reflect this

#REDIRECT [[Happy Bar & Grill biometric surveillance tool commissioning]]

Happy Bar & Grill biometric surveillance tool development

2026-03-13T06:59:45Z

==Overview==
Happy Bar & Grill, a Bulgarian restaurant chain, deployed an AI facial recognition system that biometrically profiles customers without transparent notice or valid legal basis under GDPR.<ref name="ip-biometrix" /> The system, developed by vendor IP Biometrix, tracks physical attributes, infers ethnicity categories, and analyses emotional states, while claiming to monitor staff "smiles," raising systemic privacy concerns for all patrons.<ref name="ip-biometrix" />
==Background==
Happy Bar & Grill is a Bulgarian restaurant chain operating multiple locations across Bulgaria, Romania, Spain, and the United Kingdom.<ref name="happy-bg" /> In or before September 2023, the chain implemented an AI-powered facial recognition system developed by Bulgarian security vendor IP Biometrix.<ref name="ip-biometrix" /> The system has also been deployed at the "Burrata Italiana" chain, which is also led by the owners of Happy Bar & Grill.<ref name="burrata-bg" /> Marketed for "smile monitoring" of staff to generate employee performance rankings, the system uses existing security cameras for real-time facial recognition.
==Biometric surveillance without notice==
[[File:Customer Analysis Report.png|thumb|300px|''Demographic Data (Age and Gender distribution) generated by the AI facial recognition system'']]
IP Biometrix's portfolio page demonstrates the system processes both employees and customers. A sample image shows multiple individuals labelled as "Subject 6053," "6054," and "6055" with extensive biometric attributes tracked including:<ref name="ip-biometrix" />

*Physical features: glasses, dark glasses, beard, moustache, blink, mouth open, mask presence, "face quality"
*Ethnicity classifications: white, black, Asian, Hispanic, Indian, Arabian
*Emotional states: neutral, anger, contempt, disgust, fear, and others

IP Biometrix's portfolio page was captured by the Internet Archive on 2 January 2026, with demonstration images dated to at least November 9, 2024 (evidenced by screenshot filename "Screenshot-2024-11-09-120029.png").

Patrons entering affected locations receive no visible signage at entrances or within dining areas informing them that their facial biometrics are being captured, analysed, or stored. Happy's published privacy policy makes no mention of facial recognition, biometric processing, or AI surveillance systems in restaurants.<ref name="happy-privacy" /> Under the EU General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR), facial recognition constitutes processing of biometric data—a "special category" of personal data requiring explicit consent or another narrow legal basis under Article 9.<ref name="gdpr-article9" /> Inferring ethnicity and emotional states triggers additional restrictions as these reveal "racial or ethnic origin" and constitute sensitive psychological profiling. The absence of transparent notice before data collection violates GDPR Articles 13–14, while processing customers' biometrics for staff performance monitoring lacks a proportionate legal basis under Articles 6 and 9.<ref name="gdpr-article9" /> Under Bulgarian national guidance, the Commission for Personal Data Protection (CPDP) has stated that processing biometric data in shops and restaurants for the purpose of analyzing customer behavior, gender, or age cannot be based on "legitimate interest." The CPDP emphasizes that placing information signs is insufficient to achieve "explicit consent."<ref name="cpdp-opinion" />
[[File:AI Surveillance Dashboard.png|thumb|center|500px|''Real-Time Biometric Profiling of Customers (Subjects 6053–6055), Including Ethnicity Inference and Emotion Detection (Burrata Italiana Varna, Varna, Bulgaria)'']]
==Company's response==
As of March 2026, the Happy Bar & Grill and Burrata Italiana restaurant chains have issued no public statement addressing biometric processing of customers. No privacy notices specific to AI camera systems appear at restaurant entrances or on their websites.<ref name="happy-privacy" /> IP Biometrix previously showcased the Happy Bar & Grill implementation in its portfolio, but the page was removed during a site renovation prior to March 2026. The content is now only preserved through the Internet Archive's Wayback Machine capture from 2 January 2026.<ref name="ip-biometrix" />, although the company continues to appear as a partner in the "Partners" section of the IP Biometrix website's main page. The vendor has not publicly addressed transparency or consent requirements for customer biometric processing in connection with this implementation.
==Lawsuit==
No lawsuits against Happy Bar & Grill regarding this system have been publicly reported as of March 2026.
==Consumer response==
Consumer awareness of the surveillance system used to be non-existent due to absent on-site notices and little information online, restricted to IP Biometrix's now-removed portfolio page, preserved only through the Internet Archive's Wayback Machine.<ref name="ip-biometrix" /> However, on March 11 2026, a post in the subreddit about Bulgaria (r/bulgaria) featuring this wiki page as an attachment rapidly gained traction, gathering thousands of views, hundreds of upvotes, multiple comments within hours and sparking widespread public outrage. Affected customers may exercise GDPR rights by:

*Submitting Subject Access Requests (Article 15) demanding all biometric data processed about them
*Filing complaints with Bulgaria's Commission for Personal Data Protection<ref name="cpdp-bg" />
*Requesting deletion of biometric templates under the right to erasure (Article 17)

==References==
<references>
<ref name="ip-biometrix">{{Cite web |title=Face recognition solution for Happy Bar & Grill |url=https://ip-biometrix.com/portfolio/happy-face-recognition/ |website=IP Biometrix |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20260102224149/https://ip-biometrix.com/portfolio/happy-face-recognition/ |archive-date=2 January 2026 |access-date=4 March 2026}}</ref>
<ref name="happy-bg">{{Cite web |title=Happy Bar & Grill |url=https://happy.bg/ |website=happy.bg |access-date=4 March 2026}}</ref>
<ref name="happy-privacy">{{Cite web |title=Privacy Policy |url=https://happy.bg/en/privacy_policy |website=happy.bg |access-date=4 March 2026}}</ref>
<ref name="gdpr-article9">{{Cite web |title=Regulation (EU) 2016/679, Article 9 |url=https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2016/679/art_9/oj |publisher=EUR-Lex |access-date=4 March 2026}}</ref>
<ref name="cpdp-bg">{{Cite web |title=Commission for Personal Data Protection |url=https://www.cpdp.bg/en/ |website=cpdp.bg |access-date=4 March 2026}}</ref>
<ref name="cpdp-opinion">{{Cite web |title=Statement of the CPDP regarding the use of video surveillance with biometric data |url=https://cpdp.bg/%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%89%D0%B5-%D0%BD%D0%B0-%D0%BA%D0%B7%D0%BB%D0%B4-%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BD%D0%BE-%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B7%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5-2/ |website=cpdp.bg |access-date=11 March 2026}}</ref>
<ref name="burrata-bg">{{Cite web |title=Burrata Italiana - About |url=https://burrata.bg/about |website=burrata.bg |access-date=11 March 2026}}</ref>
</references>
[[Category:2026 incidents]]

User talk:Keith

2026-03-12T16:20:52Z

Keith: /* Regarding a recent article I created */ Reply

[[User:Alexa|Alexa]] ([[User talk:Alexa|talk]]) 16 May 2025

Hello @[[User:Keith|Keith]],

I'm interested in helping with the wiki, and specifically I have real world example, but would like to check if it's a good fit here or not.

And I can't talk in discord, as it's forcing me to submit my email.

Is this a good place to start conversation on adding new company, and fitness of the case.

Thank you.

∼∼∼∼

Hi @[[User:Alexa|Alexa]]!

No problem at all - go ahead and let me know what your thought is and I'll give you my thoughts on whether/how it fits on the wiki!

[[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 20:03, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

[[User:Alexa|Alexa]] ([[User talk:Alexa|talk]]) 06:36, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

@[[User:Keith|Keith]],

There is company in California that offers indoor skydiving, and obviously they have waiver to sign (with arbitration 😃), but it's not the issue I found there, but that part of that waiver is "consent" to "grant exclusive permission" to take photo/video, and use it in their promotional materials, and there is no way to sign the waiver without consenting to that photo/video permission, online form doesn't allow you to proceed. And even when we went to the place itself, staff said that "corporate doesn't allow them to print out forms to fill out, anymore, and all waivers need to be filled in online", means we can't opt out from that photo/video consent. So my kid ended up not taking that "flight", because we couldn't sign the waiver without consenting to photos.

Thank you.

[[User:Alexa|Alexa]] ([[User talk:Alexa|talk]]) 17 May 2025

@[[User:Alexa|Alexa]]

I think that fits the bill - although it's a smaller company, it fits within the frame of modern consumer protection and demonstrates how draconian the terms for even something like that can be.
Go for it! I'd probably say that this is a case where a company article can be created, and the TOS issue can be neatly summarised within it, as opposed to being a seperate incident article.

Edit: actually, I might have got ahead of myself - is this something which has been covered or discussed annywhere other than by yourself? If not, it may fall foul of the No Original Research rule, although a very basic page which basically just lays out the facts which can be established from their website and TOS, and does not provide any commentary beyond this, might be ok.

[[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 07:55, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

==Re: CAT Documentation==
[[User:Keith|@Keith]] I've replied to your message at [[User talk:Travis]]. Let me know if you'd like to discuss further approaches to organizing the documentation. [[User:Travis|Travis]] ([[User talk:Travis|talk]]) 14:43, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

==Delegating tasks==

Hello Keith,

You said at the meetup that you found it easy to delegate.

This interests me because when I was in business, I found it difficult delegate: did not believe people could not do a good enough job and I would be still responsible for the results.

Is this topic of interest to you?

∼∼∼∼

[[User:Janosabel|Janosabel]] ([[User talk:Janosabel|talk]]) 22:48, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

:I think that in the context of wikis or any kind of community project, one needs to be able to trust others to get anywhere (perhaps with some verification too at times).
:I'm under absolutely no illusion that I can do all or even much of this by myself, and we have some really talented and great people on the team!
:There's no way of achieving the results we'd want without spreading the workload and decision-making responsibility. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 09:33, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
::I understand what you mean.
::Just realised, I was speaking about me half a century ago; and not being able to trust delegees cost me a burnout. Without delegation even if imperfect, what must be done cannot be done.
::Unfortunately I cannot help by contributing to the Wiki for lack of academic training in the required writing style, but put on my talk page a witness account how supermarkets expanding to local areas are killing independent small traders.
::PS. What is the difference between <edit source> and using the <reply> button? [[User:Janosabel|Janosabel]] ([[User talk:Janosabel|talk]]) 20:05, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
:::I think the reply button just opens up a small window of the editor, and applies the signature to the message automatically? I'll have a look at what you mentioned, but I'm not sure it quite fits the theme of the Wiki, as we're keeping it focused on anti-consumer activities, rather than general issues with corporate behaviour.
:::And yes, I'll be careful on burnout! I want to avoid the combination of this and my day job driving me mad... [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 23:02, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

==Thanks and silly questions==

Hi Keith,

thanks for adding me to the confirmed users. Total newbie here, i have no idea how to properly contribute. I tried to start a discussion in the Category Leagislation Africa, not sure if it was posted.

Should i ask it directly here? or keep it in that category?

Mika, Madagascar. [[User:Mikadago|Mikadago]] ([[User talk:Mikadago|talk]]) 11:42, 16 August 2025 (UTC)

:I'm happy to reply there, though it will take a few mins to put together an answer and provide some guidance on where best to include the information [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 13:28, 16 August 2025 (UTC)

==Is the main Miku article ready to have the stub removed?==

[[Miku]]

I've been working on getting to Miku article to a better place, is there anything else you think I should add to it before the stub is removed? [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 01:20, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

:Happy to remove the incomplete notice as it's defeinitely better sourced now, but I think it might be s good idea for you to have a look at how the controversies/incidents section is laid out on the [[Netflix]] article, as the way it's done in the Miku article is a little strange, especially with the 'this article sumarizes' bits at the start of paragraphs
:In any case, thank you for the good work! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 08:46, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

==Why was my page deleted?==

I also see no notices or notifications in regard to this. I thought the whole point of this was for transparency? [[User:Slab Man|Slab Man]] ([[User talk:Slab Man|talk]]) 21:12, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

:From what I can tell you created the article with, other than the information from the form, just a couple of sentences containing an accusation without any citation or reference to support it. After around 12 hours, Mr Pollo added a deletion notice to the article, as there was virtually no information contained in the article. After a couple more days, as the article had not been edited or improved, it was deleted.
:I can't speak to the lack of notifications - usually whenever an article you've been involved in is edited, it will show up in your inbox in the top right of the screen. It's possible that the full deletion of the article resulted in it removing the notifications; I'm not exactly sure of how that interaction works [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 23:01, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
::Well I planned to add more details and citations when I had time. It can't be a draft/work in progress? You have to write everything in one go? [[User:Slab Man|Slab Man]] ([[User talk:Slab Man|talk]]) 04:44, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
:::The wiki generally expects an article to have at least a few references and all of the template parts at least partially filled in within the first few days of an article's creation. [[User:JamesTDG|JamesTDG]] ([[User talk:JamesTDG|talk]]) 05:59, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
:::I'll second what James said, and also add that it's possible to create draft pages within your user space. You do this by adding 'user:[yourname]/' to the start of the page name. This keeps it out of mainspace, meaning it is not searchable by the main search bar.
:::Currently this policy you've encountered is unwritten, so I'll add it to the moderator guidelines shortly. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 06:30, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
::::Noted. It would be great if there was a regular draft function like in almost every software. (So this doesn’t happen to other new users after their first contribution.) Honestly, after you deleted it, it felt like my contribution is unwanted. [[User:Slab Man|Slab Man]] ([[User talk:Slab Man|talk]]) 04:31, 21 August 2025 (UTC)
:::::That's fair enough - we should add some more text to the article creation flow which explains how user space works, how to make a draft article, and what the policy for handling new articles is. If you'd like, I can get the text from the deleted article and put it on your user talk page or something so you can pick it up from where you left off? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 10:37, 21 August 2025 (UTC)
::::::Thank you that would be great. Looking forward to helping out! [[User:Slab Man|Slab Man]] ([[User talk:Slab Man|talk]]) 18:32, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

==Interenet Archive stub notice seems badly placed==

Hi @[[User:Keith|Keith]], the stub notice on [[Internet Archive]] seems to be after the lead section and not before it. Can you please fix this? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:40, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

:Done! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 08:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

==Question about re-use of sources for LiveView Article==

Hey Keith,

I noticed that for the [[LiveView Technologies AI Surveillance]] article, the same source has been re-used multiple times but shows up with a different citation number. Namely the citations number 6,32, and 33 are duplicates of 4 (LVT Use Cases in Law Enforcement), 14 is a duplicate of 5 (AI-Driven Mobile Security for Every Threat), 35 is a duplicate of 8 (Fusion Centers), and 21 is a duplicate of 20 (Mobile cameras deployed at Monroe County Office Building amid security concerns)

Also the links are missing the archive URLs in the references and some don't have author first and last name or date where they are available on the site or the date is incorrect.

I have a version of the article which shrinks the list of references (citation 33 is now a re-use of citation 4 for that section for example) and also has the relevant archive links and names and dates for each reference where possible.

Should I commit the change? I know that this article may be looked at be people very soon and I'd rather get your approval to change it and have you ready to roll-back or append to it in case you don't like it. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 18:47, 26 August 2025 (UTC)

:I think I'm going to commit the change now, you're free to revert it or check it over in case I messed something up. In the event this article is mentioned at City hall on Thursday, I want it to be the best it can be.
:Thank you for helping with the wiki. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 19:03, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you! and yeah, if you notice small formating issues (especially with an article louis has been working on :P ) just go ahead and make the change - that's the way of the wiki! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:41, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
:::Small formatting issues or other non-obvious things like referencing problems* [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:41, 26 August 2025 (UTC)

==Proposal to add a section for organized meetings. (might be a better name for this)==

Hey Keith, I hope I'm not posting here again too early.

I thought about how every time Louis wants to generate interest for a particular issue with regards to getting viewers to organize, most of the time he has to do a video on it and these calls for organization when fighting for a particular issue (such as LVT tomorrow) are based in the United States.

I don't know if this already exists on the wiki (if it does, i'd like to know where it is), but do you think it would be a good idea to create a page specifically for posting the dates and instructions for showing up to demonstrations or hearings for the purposes of pushing back against anti-consumer or anti-privacy related issues? (This could be world-wide).

If someone from the UK for example wanted to organize a demonstration or have people speak at or attend an open council meeting, they would edit a row of a wiki table and list the time of the demonstration, an additional page describing the instructions or requirements to attend, and the issue that will be talked about (similar to rossmanngroup.com/clippyone).

I feel that with something like this, organizing both members of the public and members of the wiki regardless of country would be much easier and could provide a centralized and updated list of upcoming events based on user submission and moderator approval.

Let me know what you think about something like this when you're free to reply, I'd like to hear your thoughts in addition to anyone else who sees this and wants to talk about it. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 17:11, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

:It's definitely on the edge of what makes sense here, but I think that it's worth considering as it could well be useful. Might be something that will end up being done through FULU though in the end... maybe some kind of 'events noticeboard' a bit like the moderator notice could work? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 20:25, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
::An "events noticeboard" in the way you describe it with moderation is exactly what I was thinking. You're right about how it should be done through FULU directly instead of the wiki, that's a better idea.
::Thanks for your input, I appreciate it. I was just wondering if it was a completely off-the-wall idea. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 23:16, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

==BT article==

Hello Keith, remember [[BT's Digital Voice service in the UK isn't good for the Elderly|this article]]? I pinged you 16 days ago but it seems that it didn’t work and I’ve forgotten about it since. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 19:27, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

:Thanks for the reminder! as we were both in agreement, I removed the article. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 06:48, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

==Privacy notice change==

Hello Keith, I was looking through things in the Mediawiki namespace to see how backend works, when I noticed the [[Mediawiki:Footer-privacy-notice]] page and it reminded me of [[Talk:Main Page#stating "Recently updated" not particularly helpful|this on the main page]]. Can we change it quickly or does it need to be done backend? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:37, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

:We're going to do a policy update and a full review of that stuff when we update the backend tomorrow, so I'll make sure it's handled [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:01, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

==Protect Template:Welcome==

Hello, am contacting you directly as I think it is the best way to make this happen, but PLEASE protect Template:Welcome, I doubt we'll get vandalism on there but if we do and it sends a message with it we're done for... [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:06, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

:Oh, also can you make the bot substitute (make the template not change on that page even after it gets updated) the templates for the sake of preservation of the page? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:08, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks @[[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] for getting that first one!
::I think I get what you mean re. the substitution, but have no idea how to do it. Will look into it [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:30, 14 October 2025 (UTC)
:Done. Thanks for bringing it up! I'm not sure about your second question though, so I'll leave that to Keith. [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 18:26, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
::Second one is complicated, but the first one is the only important one. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:39, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

==Is it fine for me to get an alternate account?==

Edit: Have no clue why I'd need this in practice, so forget about it. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:33, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

:no worries. In answer to your question, as long as we're notified, and there are no sockpuppetry shenanigans, then the answer is yes. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:39, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

==Do you mind if I use AutoWikiBrowser on the CRW?==

Hello, I recently heard about a tool called [[wikipedia:WP:AWB|AutoWikiBrowser]] which is a semi-automated tool meant to help for repetitive smaller edits which I do a lot, do you mind if I use it and if you don't mind, should I use an alternate account for it (maybe with 'bot flag' even though it's not a bot so it doesn't show??) Edit: Also, the page to get this, [[Special:BotPasswords|BotPasswords]], lets you change grants for people/things with the password, so is it okay to let people/things with the password edit protected pages (for things like typo-fixing Project namespace pages)? It is risky if it is obtained.[[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:23, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

:Happy for you to use that! sounds like a great tool. No strong opinions on whetehr you make a separate account for it [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:11, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
::On the passwords front, I'm not sure how exactly that works. Does it give you the ability to use your own account via API? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:14, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
:::Yes, botpasswords is pretty much that. It lets you change permissions too, so I can give it only specific permissions for safety reasons. Also, as for the ‘seperate account thing’ Botpasswords (the one that I can use) gives me a new account anyway so there’s no reason for it, just me misunderstanding the usage. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 14:16, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
::::Cool, that sounds fine then! do you need me to do anything to get it set up? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:20, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::No, I’ll do it myself when I next get a chance on my PC (without any special perms as I don’t know why I’d need that!) [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 14:21, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

==Found Large Amount of 404 links for flock article==

Page link: [[Flock license plate readers]]

Hey Keith,

I was checking the sources in the above article and noticed that for a large section of it, the sources will lead directly to pages which either don't exist or result in 404. I really hope that this is just a problem on my end and isn't really the case. Below is the complete list of all sources I found that lead to 404'd pages. On the actual article page, I have also marked the following with the status of usurped for the time being.

{| class="wikitable"
|+
!Ref #

!Title

!Issue

!Archive state

!Link

|-
|20
|"How Vehicle Fingerprint Technology Works"
|404
|no archive
|
https://www.flocksafety.com/resources/how-vehicle-fingerprint-technology-works
|-
|21
|
"License Plate Surveillance Company Can Now Capture Images of Vehicle Occupants' Faces"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://www.404media.co/flock-safety-can-now-capture-faces-of-vehicle-occupants/
|-
|
22
|
"Transforming Flock: Beyond License Plate Reading to Deliver Greater Insights for Solving Crime"
|
404
|
no archive
|

https://www.flocksafety.com/newsroom/transforming-flock-beyond-license-plate-reading-to-deliver-greater-insights-for-solving-crime/
|-
|
24
|
"Atlas of Surveillance: Flock Safety"
|
goes to deeplinks blog, but no article
|
no archive
|
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/04/atlas-surveillance-flock-safety
|-
|
25
|
"Leaders of a Beautiful Struggle v. Baltimore Police Department"
|
404
|no archive
|

https://www.eff.org/cases/leaders-beautiful-struggle-v-baltimore-police-department
|-
|
26
|
"Carpenter and the Evolving Fourth Amendment"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://www.law.georgetown.edu/american-criminal-law-review/wp-content/uploads/sites/15/2023/01/60-1-Carpenter-and-the-Evolving-Fourth-Amendment.pdf
|-
|
27
|
"Leaders of a Beautiful Struggle v. Baltimore Police Department"
|
404
|
no archive
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https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67689711/leaders-of-a-beautiful-struggle-v-baltimore-police-department/
|-
|28
|
"Illinois Compiled Statutes - Freedom from Drone Surveillance Act"
|
404
|
no archive
|

https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs3.asp?ActID=3541&ChapterID=53
|-
|
29
|
"RSA 236:130 Automated License Plate Recognition"
|
potential 404
|
no archive
|
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XXI/236/236-130.htm
|-
|
32
|
"Surveillance firm provided ICE access to license plate reader systems"
|
404
|
no archive
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jul/15/flock-safety-ice-license-plate-reader
|-
|
33
|
"How Flock Safety is Building a Surveillance Network for ICE"
|
404
|
no archive
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https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/03/flock-safety-and-ice
|-
|
34
|
"ICE Surveillance of Immigrants and Advocates"
|
404
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no archive
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https://americanoversight.org/investigation/ice-surveillance-of-immigrants-and-advocates/
|-
|
35
|
"ACLU Obtains Records Showing ICE Using License Plate Readers in Sanctuary Cities"
|
404
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no archive
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https://www.aclunc.org/news/aclu-obtains-records-showing-ice-using-license-plate-readers-sanctuary-cities
|-
|
36
|
"License Plate Readers Are Creating a US-Wide Database of More Than Just Cars"
|404
|no archive
|
https://www.vice.com/en/article/license-plate-readers-abortion-clinics-texas
|-
|37
|"Reproductive Surveillance in Post-Roe America"
|404
|no archive
|https://www.surveillancewatch.io/reproductive-surveillance-post-roe/
|-
|38
|"State Shield Laws and Reproductive Privacy"
|dead site
|no archive
|https://reproductiverights.gov/shield-laws/
|-
|39
|"Flock Safety Employees Caught Misusing Access to Surveillance Network"
|404
|no archive
|https://www.wired.com/story/flock-safety-employees-misuse-access/
|-
|40
|"Audit Reveals Hundreds of Flock Safety Privacy Violations"
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If you discover no issues (or the formatting of this table turns out horrible and breaks your talk page), disregard this and remove my topic from your page. And revert the change I made to the article where I marked the mentioned links as usurped.

Hopefully if these sites really lead to nothing and it's not just me, then the table makes it easy for you to do something. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 02:52, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

:Had a bit of a dig and my suspicion, expecially since these references are all next to each other, is that there was probably some AI chicanery in the making of the article.
:Seem to be poitentially based on real pages, e.g. this one:
:https://www.eff.org/document/fourth-circuit-ruling-leaders-beautiful-struggle-v-baltimore-police-department
:is probably meant to be #25 instead of what is currently there
:I'd recommend sticking this table on the Flock talk page (if you haven't already) and letting people know they might need to look for what these links are meant to be [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:19, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
::I went ahead and added the table to the discussion tab. Should there be a notice at the top of the Flock page to make people aware? Or leave it as is? [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 17:42, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
:::Nevermind about the notice. The references were small enough to not need them for the most part. I started working on fixing some of them [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 18:30, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

==Oversighted something==

Hello, Keith! I just wanted to let you know I just gave myself the 'suppressor' user right as I oversighted what I think could be your IP address for privacy reasons. The info is at [[Special:Diff/805]]. If it isn't your IP address, feel free to revert what I just did. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 11:32, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

:I think it might have been (though very good chance it was some temp VPN/mobile IP address). In any case, thank you for spotting it! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 12:09, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

==being able to edit Discussions==

hey so I just discovered I can edit discussions. not only mine but any1 elses. is this an oversight? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 20:23, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

:Not sure - might just be how wikis are (given that edit logs are public, it's pretty easy to combat anyone trying to abuse it, same as with article vandalism)
:I'll page in @[[User:UntoK|UntoK]] in case it's something that isn't how it should be [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 23:13, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
::Nah, that's MediaWiki. Nothing unusual there. Edit Source is actually the default way to edit discussions in MediaWiki, but the interface is changed by an extension (forgot the name), so that it shows as this instead of just the edit source button. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:37, 5 December 2025 (UTC)
:::dk y I didn't notice that b4. I've been on and off w contribs so thought smth changed since my last visit. anyhow thanks for clearing up the concern. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:00, 8 December 2025 (UTC)

=="fixing" recent changes==

since the introduction of [[Template:Welcome]], [[Special:RecentChanges]] has become a graveyard of User:Talks that I have to sift through in order to double check people's work. can we please block [[User:New_user_message]] from showing up on there?

edit: the bot bypasses the "Human (not bot) active filter
[[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 22:12, 26 December 2025 (UTC)

:yeah, that's a localsettings.php part that Keith can pass on to Unto. setting $wgNewUserSuppressRC to true should work. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:50, 1 January 2026 (UTC)
::as a temp fix, [https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Special:RecentChanges?hidebots=1&namespace=3&invert=1&limit=100&days=7&enhanced=1&urlversion=2 this] should work [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:54, 1 January 2026 (UTC)
:::legend. thank you [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 18:43, 1 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Hi @[[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] - took a bit of a break over the holidays so sorry for not replying. I'll contact Unto and see if he can take a look [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:12, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::Fair enough! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:49, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::any update? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 17:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I've put Unto on it but no update. I'll chase him [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:30, 13 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Darth Sidious says "do it". [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:36, 14 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::any update? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 23:08, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I think it's been fixed? I don't see New User Message clogging up the feed anymore [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:54, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I certainly remember that we tried to fix it, and I think it seemed to work [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:54, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::oh... I was using ACRP's temp fix so I did not realize and thought it was still broken lol [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:06, 1 March 2026 (UTC)

==*sigh*==

Where are the projects (again)? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:04, 19 January 2026 (UTC)

:deja vu? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 18:42, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
::[[Consumer_Rights_Wiki_talk:Moderators%27_noticeboard#*sigh*|oh]] [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 18:48, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
:::LOL, made me chuckle seeing your replies! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:55, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
::::hey as a wise man once said "if you are good at something, never do it for free". that'll be $5 my friend [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:05, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::yeah, replied on the noticeboard, but just adding here - I think an update must have broken it. have contacted Unto [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 01:07, 20 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] @[[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] Fixed! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:52, 20 January 2026 (UTC)

==sorry for the ping==

I used the intro text from [[Texas Attorney General sues multiple TV makers over ACR user data collection]] to add to the Incidents section for each of the mentioned companies. In the edit summary I linked you. Ik that @ and [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 22:33, 21 January 2026 (UTC) ping the user but idk abt linking. regardless sorry abt the pings

:th happened here? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 22:34, 21 January 2026 (UTC)
::No worries! I don't think @s in edit summaries cause pings anyway [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 22:37, 21 January 2026 (UTC)

==alternative to Discord==

I don't use Discord. many members of the wiki don't use Discord. can't talk on their behalf but I can mine. if there was a Matrix or heck Signal gc (lol), I'd love to be a part of it. are there any plans for migration off Discord or perhaps providing w an alternative they'd be more comfortable with? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:32, 23 January 2026 (UTC)

:We're hoping to get a Zulip bridge with the Discord in the next couple of months. This would allow people to essentially join the Discord without joining the Discord, with the exception of a couple of features like bot commands and voice channels. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 08:19, 24 January 2026 (UTC)
::lovely looking forward to it [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 09:44, 24 January 2026 (UTC)
:::is the Zulip bridge still under consideration following the impending age verification push in March? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 23:07, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
::::I've not heard of Zulip but it sounds like some sort of proxy? I'd prefer something like Matrix but that seems great too. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:44, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Zulip is a bit like a matrix/discord-y thing, and we'd use plugins to essentially crosspost everything that's sent to it to the discord and vice versa. It's still coming along but I've been crap and haven't got the server paid up yet. will try and do this next week and we can hopefully get it up shortly. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:45, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Just in case yous hadn't noticed it on the main page @[[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] @[[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]], we're moving our monthly hangout meetings from discord to zoom so as to include more of the community, and you're both welcome to join! first one is at 20:00 UTC tomorrow. if you pop me an email over to help@consumerrights.wiki, I'll send you the zoom link (son't want to posted publicly for obvious reasons) [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:50, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I've seen that, I'm not interested in joining though. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:21, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::oh I totally missed that. I'll shoot over an email and add it to my calendar but dk if I'll be able to join. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:09, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Apologies for not seeing this sooner - I'll send over a link just now! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:34, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Hi, any update on the Zulip bridge? Sorry for asking after such a short time but I'd really like to use it! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:24, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

==Can you help moving my page==

Sorry I said this 3 times or more, I got confused, can you move please, I moved it in wrong place, may I ask should I ask here instead of the pages I placed [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 21:23, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

:Thank you but should I create it in the user page just to clarify [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 21:34, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
::Don't want to be nuisance that all when doing my article [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 21:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I've replied on your user page - think it should be alright now? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 21:38, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
::::your user talk page* [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 21:38, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

==Adding categories==

Hello, please don't add categories in the visual editor as it doesn't work, instead simply type <code><nowiki>[[Category:CATEGORYNAME]]</nowiki></code> and replace CATEGORYNAME with the name of the category, otherwise it won't work. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:57, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:Apologies, thank you! I usually use source but I think there I just hit 'edit' by accident as was trying to set it up quickly. just so you know, I've replied to stefan's questions on the page he moved - thank you for moving the page he created! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 17:31, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

==Regarding a recent article I created==

Hello, Keith! I have finally decided to become a contributor here. The article I've been working on is [[Happy Bar & Grill Biometric Surveillance]]. However, when someone I've sent the link to opens it, they see the version that was last updated before I created my profile. What could be causing this? I apologise for any lack of knowledge on my part. [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 18:23, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:Unfortunately this is a problem with cloudflare's caching. If you wait a short while, or they log in, they should see the updated version. We've found a solution and will be shipping it with the next version of the wiki so that page edits are instantly reflected in cached versions of pages. Until then, it's just a case of waiting a while or logging in (logging in bypasses the cache as it needs to load user-specific elements). Great work on the article by the way! Just as a heads up, we're happy to have sources in non-english languages, so if you find any Bulgarian sources discussing it, those would be great to add to the article to demonstrate notability. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 18:42, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::Oops, apparently I was spreading misinformation on the internet regarding the exact reasons for it not being cached, but the gist is still the same, which is that logged-in users bypass the cache! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 18:48, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::Thank you for the swift reply and the explanation! It's so refreshing to see people working hard and helping others for a good cause. Also very happy to hear that you like how the article has turned out so far. I've extensively searched for any other sources regarding the issue, but found nothing. I guess someone has to start the discussion! :D
::Just to confirm: is the wiki English-only? I'd love to make the article more accessible to my compatriots, but I suppose I'll just tell them to use the automatic translation option on their browser. [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 21:05, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The wiki is english only yeah, for moderation purposes (we don't have a team that's reliably able to check the quality of non-english articles). if you wanted, though, we'd be happy for you to put a bulgarian version in your user space (i.e. the page lives at consumerrights.wiki/w/User:Juuns/[pagename]) - just make sure to put a note in english at the top so that none of the mods mistake it for a spam article! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 22:48, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Hey there, thanks for the advice! Is that alright? https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Iw/User:Juuns/%D0%91%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%BE_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BB%D1%8E%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%B2_Happy_Bar_%26_Grill_-_bg_translation_of_an_existing_article/&veaction=edit [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 08:35, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Yep! The URL looks cursed written out like that lol but it's in the right place [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:24, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Hello again, Keith!
::::::I and the small team I've created have made huge progress regarding the surveillance situation at Happy Bar and Dinner. We posted the wiki on the r/bulgaria subreddit, and it topped the daily chart in less than three hours. People are outraged.
::::::I've managed to contact an advocate from the opposition here who agreed to share the wiki on her Facebook page (over 10,000 followers). She also agreed to work with me to make the topic go viral and will send this to other human rights and anti-mafia activists in Bulgaria. We've planned to create several videos in various forms regarding the issue.
::::::I am writing with a big request that would be extremely beneficial to my cause and the wiki: Could you contact Louis Rossmann and share the wiki with him? Alternatively, you could connect him to me so I can tell him more about it.
::::::I understand this is a big request, but I would be very thankful for your help :) [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 18:43, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That's great! I've passed the info on, and will let you know the response
:::::::This is exactly how I've been hoping to see the wiki be used, so I'm really excited that it's getting picked up! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:20, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

==Stub Pains==

Hey Keith,

I'm way out of my depth here with these stub notices, I added a stub to two new articles I made not realizing they would literally prevent my ability to add any text to the article.

links: [[AirPods Connection Vulnerability]] | [[AirPods Max Moisture Issue]]

When I attempt to make a change to the article, I was getting a stub deletion error. If I did something wrong, would you be able to explain what exactly happened with this so it doesn't happen again? [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 06:55, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

:(IN CASE YOU COULDN'T NOTICE, I'M NOT KEITH!) This is a common issue that users have had for a very long time now. If you edit anywhere before or on the line of the stub notice, something called the abuse filter says "nope, lol, nice try" and blocks the edit. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:18, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
::Should work now. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
:Ah, I think I did the same thing as ACRP, but the stub notices are now on their own line and not touching anything else, so there shouldn't be any further issues [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:30, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

==Publicising RfCs==

Hello, the RfCs you made haven't gotten any attention. Should we publicise them better? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:34, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

:Yeah, I'll set up some kind of hub that includes pages with the RfC category or something. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:23, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
::ok, I made a category for open and closed RfCs, transcluded them on a page, and linked to it from the policy index. idk if there's anywhere else it should be? I guess it's probably worth mentioning on some of the guide-y pages [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:44, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

==Arbys article weird ref issue==

[[Arby's]]

hey keith, when I look at the arby's article, it says in the references, ref goes here, but then when I try to edit it out, it goes away. is there any way to fix this? If you figure out a way, I'd love to know. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 16:09, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

Apple

2026-03-10T23:15:46Z

Keith: changed cargo description

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|Founded=1976
|Industry=Electronics
|Logo=Apple logo (black).svg
|ParentCompany=
|Type=Public
|Website=https://apple.com/
|Description=Tech company known for hardware, software, and operating systems. Has repeatedly restricted device repairs, and exerts strict control over its software ecosystem
|CompanyAlias= Apple, Inc
}}

{{Wplink|Apple Inc.|'''Apple'''}} is an American technology company that was founded in 1976 by Steve Jobs, Steve Wozniak and Ronald Wayne. It is best known for its consumer electronics, software, and services.

Apple's current product lineup includes hardware such as the [[:Category:Apple IPhones|iPhone]], iPad, Apple Watch, Mac, Apple Vision Pro, [[Airpods|AirPods]], and Apple TV; operating systems such as iOS, iPadOS, visionOS, and macOS; and various software and services including Apple Pay, iCloud, Apple Arcade, and multimedia streaming services like Apple Music and [[Apple TV+]].

==Incidents==

===Repairability of Apple products in the 2000s===
Since the 2000s, Apple has focused on reducing the weight of its products as technology has advanced and become increasingly complex. This shift has contributed to challenges in repairing and upgrading their devices.

===Hardware design issues in the 2010s===
Apple had numerous hardware design issues in the 2010s, often poorly acknowledged by the company and frequently charging exorbitant amounts for repair.

*High-cost GPU failures on early 2010's MacBooks<ref>{{Cite web |date=2014-10-28 |title=Apple faces class-action lawsuit over 2011 MacBook Pro GPU issues |url=https://9to5mac.com/2014/10/28/apple-class-action-lawsuit-2011-macbook-pro-gpu-graphics-issues/ |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20251010222822/https://9to5mac.com/2014/10/28/apple-class-action-lawsuit-2011-macbook-pro-gpu-graphics-issues/ |archive-date=2025-10-10 |access-date=2025-10-26 |website=9to5mac}}</ref>
*the 2016-'17 MacBook Pro's screen cable skimping scandal<ref>{{Cite web |last=Porter |first=Jon |date=2019-05-05 |title=Apple quietly addressed ‘Flexgate’ issue with MacBook Pro redesign |url=https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/5/18251264/macbook-pro-2018-flexgate-fix-display-cable-2mm-longer |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20251224195648/https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/5/18251264/macbook-pro-2018-flexgate-fix-display-cable-2mm-longer |archive-date=2025-12-24 |access-date=2025-10-26 |website=The Verge}}</ref>
*2016-2019 MacBooks butterfly keyboards<ref>{{Cite web |last=Bohn |first=Dieter |date=2020-05-04 |title=The saga of Apple’s bad butterfly MacBook keyboards is finally over |url=https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/4/21246223/macbook-keyboard-butterfly-magic-pro-apple-design |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20260128222108/https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/4/21246223/macbook-keyboard-butterfly-magic-pro-apple-design |archive-date=2026-01-28 |access-date=2025-10-26 |website=The Verge}}</ref>
*the 2019 16-inch MacBook Pro's SSD failures<ref>{{Cite web |last=digilloyd |date=2020-04-03 |title=2019 MacBook Pro Seems to Have a High Failure Rate |url=https://macperformanceguide.com/blog/2020/20200403_1024-MacBookPro2019-repairs.html |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250708181056/https://macperformanceguide.com/blog/2020/20200403_1024-MacBookPro2019-repairs.html |archive-date=2025-07-08 |access-date=2025-10-26 |website=Mac Performance Guide}}</ref>
*The announcement and cancellation of Apple AirPower<ref>{{Cite web |title=Apple cancels AirPower product, citing inability to meet its high standards for hardware |url=https://techcrunch.com/2019/03/29/apple-cancels-airpower-product-citing-inability-to-meet-its-high-standards-for-hardware/ |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20190401040644/https://techcrunch.com/2019/03/29/apple-cancels-airpower-product-citing-inability-to-meet-its-high-standards-for-hardware/ |archive-date=2019-04-01 |website=TechCrunch}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |last=Clover |first=Juli |date=2018-09-12 |title=After No Sign of AirPower at Today's Event Apple Wipes Most Mentions From Website |url=https://www.macrumors.com/2018/09/12/no-sign-of-airpower-at-september-event/ |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20211124170507/https://www.macrumors.com/2018/09/12/no-sign-of-airpower-at-september-event/ |archive-date=2021-11-24 |access-date=2025-10-26 |website=MacRumors}}</ref> due to overheating{{CitationNeeded|reason=no archived article mentioning overheating specifically}}

====Recent attempts to do better====
Recently, Apple has made efforts to improve its products, though some observers feel that its pro-consumer practices still do not match those of certain other manufacturers. This shift is thought by some to be influenced by evolving legislation.<ref name=":2">{{Cite web |last=Hern |first=Alex |date=2022-10-26 |title=Apple to put USB-C connectors in iPhones to comply with EU rules |url=https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/oct/26/iphone-usb-c-lightning-connectors-apple-eu-rules |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20260212030935/https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/oct/26/iphone-usb-c-lightning-connectors-apple-eu-rules |archive-date=2026-02-12 |access-date=2025-10-26 |website=The Guardian}}</ref> 

This includes:

*Opening an online [[Apple Self Service Repair|Self Service Repair]] parts store.<ref>{{Cite web |date=2021-11-17 |title=Apple announces Self Service Repair |url=https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2021/11/apple-announces-self-service-repair/ |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20260203201914/https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2021/11/apple-announces-self-service-repair/ |archive-date=2026-02-03 |access-date=2026-03-08 |website=Apple Newsroom}}</ref>
*Making the back glass of iPhones removable starting from iPhone 14.<ref>{{Cite web |last=Wiens |first=Kyle |date=2022-09-16 |title=Inside Apple’s Secret iPhone 14 Redesign |url=https://www.ifixit.com/News/64865/iphone-14-teardown |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20260116032657/https://www.ifixit.com/News/64865/iphone-14-teardown |archive-date=2026-01-16 |access-date=2025-10-26 |website=iFixIt}}</ref>
*Allowing alternative app stores in an update to iOS 17, in compliance with new EU legislation.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Installing apps through alternative app distribution in the European Union |url=https://support.apple.com/en-us/117767 |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20251223191001/https://support.apple.com/en-us/117767 |archive-date=2025-12-23 |access-date=2025-10-26 |website=support.apple.com}}</ref>
*Calibration tools for newly installed used parts in iOS 18,<ref>{{Cite web |title=Use Repair Assistant to finish an iPhone or iPad repair |url=https://support.apple.com/en-us/120579 |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20260208125243/https://support.apple.com/en-us/120579 |archive-date=2026-02-08 |access-date=2025-10-26 |website=support.apple.com}}</ref> which sometimes work.{{CitationNeeded}}
*An upgradeable, swappable SSD in the 2024 Mac Mini - albeit you cannot swap these units between M4 and M4 Pro units due to the internal casing's design being different without much good reason.<ref>{{Cite web |last=Sorrel |first=Charlie |date=2024-11-12 |title=All Hail the Return of Upgradeable Storage! Mac mini 2024 Teardown |url=https://www.ifixit.com/News/104302/all-hail-the-return-of-upgradeable-storage-mac-mini-2024-teardown |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20251116041530/https://www.ifixit.com/News/104302/all-hail-the-return-of-upgradeable-storage-mac-mini-2024-teardown |archive-date=2025-11-16 |access-date=2025-10-26 |website=iFixit}}</ref>
*A battery removable with just a 9V battery in the 2024 iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Plus.<ref>{{Cite web |title=iPhone 16 Plus Battery |url=https://support.apple.com/en-us/120671 |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20251018203540/https://support.apple.com/en-us/120671 |archive-date=2025-10-18 |access-date=2025-10-26 |website=support.apple.com}}</ref>
Many of these items have sparked allegations of [[Malicious Compliance]] and being introduced purely to make stricter right for repair legislation appear unnecessary to legislators while not doing much to improve the situation for consumers. 

For instance, pricing for parts on the [[Apple Self Service Repair|Self Service Repair]] store is virtually identical to having the part replaced by Apple themselves (including both the price of the part and labor)<ref>{{Cite web |date=2022-12-06 |title=Apple’s self-repair programme is not the Right to Repair we need |url=https://repair.eu/news/apples-self-repair-programme-is-not-the-right-to-repair-we-need/ |access-date=2026-03-08 |website=Right to Repair Europe}}</ref>, alternate app installation options are limited to users in the EU, still require developers to be registered with Apple, have them approve the apps and in many cases paying them fees, and the upgradeable SSDs do not use common standards such as M.2 NVME. Unlike standard SSDs, they are also not always swappable between different models and require access to a second Apple computer to provision after installation.

===Operating system downgrades===
It is not possible to upgrade or downgrade an iPhone, iPad, Apple TV, etc. to an Operating System (OS) version that is no longer signed by Apple. In most cases, only the most recent version is signed. Some exceptions exist, such as certain Apple TV models and Apple Silicon Macs. Downgrading the Apple TV 4K series is not possible at all due to the lack of a USB port. On Macs with a T2 chip, the user can select from three modes of secure boot:<ref>{{Cite web |title=About Startup Security Utility on a Mac with the Apple T2 Security Chip |url=https://support.apple.com/en-us/102522 |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250607083624/https://support.apple.com/en-us/102522 |archive-date=7 Jun 2025 |access-date=22 Jun 2025 |website=Apple}}</ref>

*No Security: Allow any OS to run (same as turning off secure boot on a PC).
*Medium Security: Allow any OS that is signed with a secure boot certificate (default, same as turning on secure boot on a PC).
*Full Security: Only allow the latest version of macOS, do not allow any other OS.

On Macs with Apple Silicon, the user can select from two modes of secure boot:

*Permissive Security: Accessible only via recovery Terminal tools (and still enforces Apple’s secure chain for much of the boot). This is the lowest available security policy on Apple silicon but does not remove secure boot entirely in the way “No Security” used to.
*Reduced Security: Allows booting older versions of macOS trusted by Apple but still enforces signed OS policy.
*Full Security: Only the currently signed macOS version trusted by Apple can boot.

iOS devices only support Full Security mode. The device checks for a cryptographic "ticket",<ref>{{Cite web |date=2024-11-20 |title=APTicket |url=https://theapplewiki.com/wiki/APTicket |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20260216234725/https://theapplewiki.com/wiki/APTicket |archive-date=2026-02-16 |access-date=2025-10-26 |website=theapplewiki.com}}</ref> which are tied to the OS version and CPU serial number. These are provided by a server, which only provides them for the latest version (with very specific exceptions). The device refuses to boot if the ticket does not match. Workarounds exist, but with major caveats that are not viable for most users,<ref>{{Cite web |date=2021-09-27 |title=Firmware rendering |url=https://theapplewiki.com/wiki/Firmware_downgrading |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20251021213054/https://theapplewiki.com/wiki/Firmware_downgrading |archive-date=2025-10-21 |access-date=2025-10-26 |website=theapplewiki.com}}</ref> see the technical details on [[wikipedia:SHSH_blob|SHSH blobs]].

===Class action lawsuit===
Apple was the defendant of a class-action lawsuit with claims dating back to 2017 where users noticed their phones were being artificially slowed down. Apple agreed to settle the lawsuit for up to $500 million USD.<ref>{{Cite web |last=Cooper |first=Gael |date=9 Jan 2024 |title=Apple Starts Sending Out iPhone 'Batterygate' Settlement Payments. What to Know |url=https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/apple-starts-sending-out-iphone-batterygate-settlement-payments-what-to-know/ |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250321051703/https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/apple-starts-sending-out-iphone-batterygate-settlement-payments-what-to-know/ |archive-date=21 Mar 2025 |access-date=22 Jun 2025 |website=CNET}}</ref> Apple claimed that this change was to benefit users who have old failing batteries, and that it wasn't for planned obsolescence.<ref>{{Cite web |last=Napolitano |first=Elizabeth |date=2023-08-18 |title=Millions of Apple customers to get payments of up to $90 in iPhone "batterygate" settlement. Here's what to know. |url=https://www.cbsnews.com/news/apple-iphone-payment-500-million-settlement-what-to-know/ |url-status=live |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20251228042055/https://www.cbsnews.com/news/apple-iphone-payment-500-million-settlement-what-to-know/ |archive-date=28 Dec 2025|website=CBS News}}</ref> They later published software updates and an article explaining how users can opt out of this new "performance management" mode.<ref>{{Cite web |title=iPhone battery and performance |url=https://support.apple.com/en-us/101575 |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250618231138/https://support.apple.com/en-us/101575 |archive-date=18 Jun 2025 |access-date=22 Jun 2025 |website=Apple}}</ref>

Once a new OS version is installed, there is no opportunity to go back. This also restricts the user's choice to {{Wplink|iOS jailbreaking|jailbreak}} the device, as the latest version naturally has patches for the latest jailbreak exploits. App developers also require access to earlier iOS versions to test that their app works correctly. The alternative, Xcode's iOS Simulator, is not a complete replacement for real hardware, as it does not have all features of a physical device.<ref>{{Cite web |last=Vajpai |first=Shreeti |date=24 Jun 2024 |title=iOS Emulators / Simulators vs Real iOS Devices |url=https://contextqa.com/test-on-ios-emulators-simulators/ |url-status=dead |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250519081214/https://contextqa.com/test-on-ios-emulators-simulators/ |archive-date=19 May 2025 |access-date=22 Jun 2025 |website=ContextQA}}</ref> Instead, app developers are forced to purchase several test devices, and remember to ''never'' allow them to update.

===Parts availability===
Many parts are not available directly from Apple. Those that are available directly from Apple may be more expensive than paying Apple to repair your device. Parts available to certified repair centers are extremely limited. Apple does not stock current generation iPad parts within GSX (See Certified Repair Centers). A limited selection of iPad parts are available from iFixit, however this can exclude some flex PCBs necessary for repairing headphone jacks.

If an Apple iPhone has GPS calibration issues and or {{Wplink|Bluetooth}} connectivity issues, Apple will do their own diagnostics. You explain to the Apple employee how and when the issues occur and you explain in detail your methods to reproduce the issues. The issues occur when your phone is in your pocket while using navigation and when you hold your phone upside down while using your Apple Beats wireless headphones. After Apple runs their diagnostics and they are not able to detect the issues, they will move onto the next step which is fully resetting your device. This is considered a standard troubleshooting procedure. When you ask the Apple store manager if they would be willing to exchange your device for a similar model if they cannot fix your device they respond with "No, because these phones are designed to be fixed". After the software reset fail, Apple will require you to leave your phone with them so they can send it to their offsite repair facility for further diagnostics. After a few days, Apple will come to the conclusion that your phone requires an entire new midsection. When asked what was replaced, Apple will inform you that the entire inside has been replaced — essentially giving you a new phone (with a new IMEI, EID, etc.) apart from the casing and screen. {{CitationNeeded}}

===Diagnostic software availability===
Calibration software for some Apple devices has only recently become available to end users. End user calibration tools have only become accessible in iOS 18. Similar calibration tools have been available to Certified Repair Centers, but are generally limited as many parts are serialized, i.e. lid sensors on MacBooks. {{CitationNeeded}}

===Certified repair centers===
Certified Repair Centers have some limited access to Apple's proprietary backend (GSX2). GSX contains many tools necessary to repair devices such as diagnostic tools, calibration tools, parts catalog, and device repair history. GSX is only accessible to repair centers Apple deems certified. GSX does not stock parts for iPads. It does not allow the calibration of parts such as lid sensors for a device, if that device does not have an open repair and purchased parts. The new iOS 18 calibration tool is very similar to Apple's ASU (GSX's diagnostic/calibration tool). Some videos of GSX can be found online. See: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy8bS1AgxcY GSX - How to Gain GSX Apple Access - iOSGenius]

===Advertisements in first party apps===
In 2014, Apple and the band U2 partnered to give all iTunes users a free digital copy of their newest album at the time, ''Songs of Innocence'', which was marketed as "the biggest album release ever in history".<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2014/09/09Apple-U2-Release-Songs-of-Innocence-Exclusively-for-iTunes-Store-Customers/|title=Apple & U2 Release “Songs of Innocence” Exclusively for iTunes Store Customers|date=2014-09-09|work=Apple Newsroom|access-date=2025-06-25|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250405230217/https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2014/09/09Apple-U2-Release-Songs-of-Innocence-Exclusively-for-iTunes-Store-Customers/|archive-date=2025-04-05|url-status=live}}</ref> Many users who didn't want the album couldn't remove it from their iTunes library due to the album being listed as a "past purchase" on their account (however the album could always be "hidden").<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.wired.com/2014/09/apples-devious-u2-album-giveaway-even-worse-spam/|title=Apple's Devious U2 Album Giveaway Is Even Worse Than Spam|date=2014-09-16|first=Vijith|last=Assar|work=WIRED|access-date=2025-06-25|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250530112829/https://www.wired.com/2014/09/apples-devious-u2-album-giveaway-even-worse-spam/|archive-date=2025-05-30|url-status=live}}</ref> Some reports speculated the deal was worth 100 million dollars and was done due to the band's declining popularity.<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.npr.org/2014/09/15/348612823/apples-u2-album-promotion-backfires|title=Apple's U2 Album Promotion Backfires|first=Nathan|last=Rott|date=2014-09-15|work=NPR|access-date=2025-06-25|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250601154245/https://www.npr.org/2014/09/15/348612823/apples-u2-album-promotion-backfires|archive-date=2025-06-01|url-status=live}}</ref> In 2022, Bono, a member of U2, wrote in his memoir how Tim Cook reportedly said how "there’s something not right about giving [U2's] art away for free" and "the whole point of what we’re trying to do at Apple is to not give away music free. The point is to make sure musicians get paid".<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://fortune.com/2022/10/24/tim-cook-said-free-u2-album-itunes-was-not-right/|title=Apple CEO Tim Cook thought U2 putting its album on your iPhone was ‘not right’—even though he did it anyway|first=Tristan|last=Bove|date=2022-10-24|work=Fortune|access-date=2025-06-25|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250127191141/https://fortune.com/2022/10/24/tim-cook-said-free-u2-album-itunes-was-not-right/|archive-date=2025-01-27|url-status=live}}</ref>

In 2025, Apple added a promotional offer for F1 The Movie in their Wallet application.<ref>{{Cite web |title=F1 The Movie - News |url=https://www.apple.com/tv-pr/originals/f1/news/ |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20251109164811/https://www.apple.com/tv-pr/originals/f1/news/ |archive-date=2025-11-09 |access-date=2025-10-26 |website=Apple TV+ Press}}</ref> Users have mentioned how this could violate Apple's own policy on advertising, how the high price of Apple devices shouldn't justify first party ads, and the annoyance of seeing it.<ref>{{Cite web |author=u/african-nightmare |date=2025-06-24 |title=Getting ads in Apple Wallet, how to disable? |url=https://www.reddit.com/r/iphone/comments/1ljfs7u/getting_ads_in_apple_wallet_how_to_disable/ |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250725194601/https://old.reddit.com/r/iphone/comments/1ljfs7u/getting_ads_in_apple_wallet_how_to_disable/ |archive-date=2025-07-25 |access-date=2025-06-25 |work=Reddit}}</ref> For users on the iOS 26 beta, there is an option to disable "Offers & Promotions", with users on iOS 18 needing to disable notifications completely for the Wallet app.<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://techcrunch.com/2025/06/24/iphone-customers-upset-by-apple-wallet-ad-pushing-f1-movie/|title=iPhone customers upset by Apple Wallet ad pushing ‘F1’ movie|first=Sarah|last=Perez|date=2025-06-24|work=TechCrunch|access-date=2025-06-25|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250624213223/https://techcrunch.com/2025/06/24/iphone-customers-upset-by-apple-wallet-ad-pushing-f1-movie/|archive-date=2025-06-24|url-status=live}}</ref>

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File:Apple Wallet F1 sponsored ad (1).jpg|Notification of the offer
File:Apple Wallet F1 sponsored ad (2).jpg|Home screen of Wallet app
File:Apple Wallet F1 sponsored ad (3).jpg|Apple Cash card screen
File:Apple Wallet F1 sponsored ad (4).PNG|Screen when selecting "learn more"
</gallery>

===AirDrop censorship (''2022'')===
As a result of the 2019 Hong Kong protests, Apple was pressured by the Chinese government to set a time limit for the AirDrop "everyone" option for iPhones due to its impact at scheduling protests against the government to avoid censorship.<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.theverge.com/2022/11/10/23450967/apple-airdrop-limited-china-goverment-protests|title=Apple limits AirDrop in China after its use in protests|first=Jess|last=Weatherbed|date=2022-11-10|work=The Verge|access-date=2025-08-24|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250723112204/https://www.theverge.com/2022/11/10/23450967/apple-airdrop-limited-china-goverment-protests|archive-date=2025-07-23|url-status=live}}</ref>

In 2023, the setting was applied to all iPhones worldwide to "mitigate unwanted file sharing", meaning users will need to set their airdrop setting manually every ten minutes instead of leaving it on permanently, leaving the only other options as "contacts only" and "receiving off".<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://9to5mac.com/2025/03/17/apple-globally-censoring-this-iphone-communication-feature-deserves-renewed-scrutiny/|title=Apple globally censoring this iPhone communication feature deserves renewed scrutiny|first=Zac|last=Hall|date=2025-03-17|work=9To5Mac|access-date=2025-08-24|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250723142521/https://9to5mac.com/2025/03/17/apple-globally-censoring-this-iphone-communication-feature-deserves-renewed-scrutiny/|archive-date=2025-07-23|url-status=live}}</ref>

==="Peanuts" TV Special Takeover===
In late October of 2020, Apple announced that its Apple TV+ service had become the exclusive home of the library of classic ''Peanuts'' animated specials, including ''A Charlie Brown Christmas'', ''It's the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown'', and ''A Charlie Brown Thanksgiving''. For almost 50 years, these beloved specials were shown once a year on free over-the-air TV, but as of 2020, anybody who wishes to watch them is now required to own a device that offers the Apple TV+ service and an active Apple TV+ subscription.<ref>{{cite web |last=Adalian |first=Josef |date=2020-10-19 |title=Apple TV+ Says: Welcome, Great Pumpkin |url=https://www.vulture.com/2020/10/its-the-great-pumpkin-charlie-brown-streaming-apple-tv.html |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20251208132132/https://www.vulture.com/2020/10/its-the-great-pumpkin-charlie-brown-streaming-apple-tv.html |archive-date=2025-12-08 |access-date=2025-11-05 |work=Vulture}}</ref>

===2024 Antitrust Lawsuit===
In March 2024, the United States Department of Justice filed a lawsuit against Apple claiming that the "closed garden" ecosystem Apple creates surrounding its iPhones stifles competition and innovation. The lawsuit alleges that Apple is directly forcing customers to purchase and use iPhones and their accessories and software in several ways:

*Forcing mobile carriers including AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile to offer its best customer deals exclusively to those who purchase iPhones.
*Restricting the functionality of Super apps such as WeChat.
*Forcing in-app purchases through applications such as Fortnite to be made within the App Store and taking a part of the proceeds as commission pay.
*Restricting the use of third-party digital wallets and requiring users to exclusively use Apple Pay.
*Restricting how third-party message apps can interact with iMessage.
*Restricting their HomeKit home automation system and all compatible devices to work only on Apple's products and issuing cease & desist orders against emulators designed to make HomeKit compatible with third-party products.
*Restricting compatibility of third party smart watches.

Apple is expected to go to trial in early 2027.<ref>{{cite web |last=Liedtke |first=Michael |date=2025-06-30 |title=Judge allows antitrust lawsuit against Apple to proceed |url=https://apnews.com/article/apple-antitrust-case-justice-department-664c187d7d09d57460076c7aa2f0c0bf |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20260205235908/https://apnews.com/article/apple-antitrust-case-justice-department-664c187d7d09d57460076c7aa2f0c0bf |archive-date=2026-02-05 |access-date=2025-07-14 |work=Associated Press}}</ref>

===European Union USB-C Directive 2022/2380===
As part of Directive (EU) 2022/2380, the EU mandated that all smartphones, tablets, digital cameras, headphones, and other portable electronic devices must utilize USB-C as a universal charging standard by the end of 2024, with laptops following by 2026. <ref>{{Cite web |date=2022-12-07 |title=Directive (EU) 2022/2380 of the European Parliament and of the Council of 23 November 2022 amending Directive 2014/53/EU on the harmonisation of the laws of the Member States relating to the making available on the market of radio equipment (Text with EEA relevance) |url=https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A32022L2380 |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250817091803/https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A32022L2380 |archive-date=2025-08-17 |access-date=2025-09-02 |website=EUR-Lex}}</ref>

This regulatory measure directly addresses consumer frustration with incompatible chargers types and aims to significantly reduce electronic waste. <ref>{{Cite web |date=2024-12-28 |title=USB-C-Standard: Schluss mit dem Kabelwirrwarr |url=https://www.zdfheute.de/wirtschaft/ladekabel-usb-c-standard-apple-entsorgung-elektroschrott-100.html |access-date=2025-09-02 |website=zdfheute |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20260215214259/https://www.zdfheute.de/wirtschaft/ladekabel-usb-c-standard-apple-entsorgung-elektroschrott-100.html |archive-date=15 Feb 2026}}</ref> The legislation allows manufacturers to unbundle chargers from devices, potentially saving consumers money, and ensures charging speed harmonization across compatible devices.

While Apple initially opposed the standardization, arguing that it would "stifle innovation rather than encourage it," the company ultimately conceded defeat, with Apple's head of marketing stating "we have no choice" regarding compliance. <ref name=":2" />

===European Digital Markets Act.===
This law forced many companies including Apple to change the way they operate to create a fairer competition. Read more about this law [[Digital Markets Act|here]].

====Changes Apple introduced iOS and iPadOS to comply with this law:====

*Introduced the ability to install applications from alternative marketplaces
*asks which browser and search engine should be the default one
*Developers now are allowed to publish in the EU browsers that do not use webkit

====Controversies:====

*Apple removed iPhone torrenting app iTorrent from alternative marketplace AltStore PAL, developer said that the access was revoked "without any warning". In a statement to The Verge, Apple spokesperson Peter Ajemian said, “Notarization for this app was removed in order to comply with government sanctions-related rules in various jurisdictions. We have communicated this to the developer.”<ref>{{Cite news |last=Weatherbed |first=Jess |date=August 28, 2025 |title=Apple pulls iPhone torrent app from AltStore PAL in Europe |url=https://www.theverge.com/news/767344/apple-removes-itorrent-altstore-pal-ios-marketplace |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250903102041/https://www.theverge.com/news/767344/apple-removes-itorrent-altstore-pal-ios-marketplace |archive-date=September 3, 2025 |work=The Verge}}</ref>

===Elon Musk Lawsuit===
In August of 2025, businessman Elon Musk accused Apple of engaging in anti-competitive practices by only allowing their AI program OpenAI to reach the top of the sales chart on Apple App Store. He announced his plan to sue Apple for this practice.<ref>{{cite web |last=Durden |first=Tyler |date=2025-08-12 |title=Musk Accuses Apple Of "Unequivocal Antitrust Violation" For Favoring OpenAI In App Store Rankings |url=https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/musk-accuses-apple-unequivocal-antitrust-violation-favoring-openai-app-store-rankings |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20251029051235/https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/musk-accuses-apple-unequivocal-antitrust-violation-favoring-openai-app-store-rankings |archive-date=2025-10-29 |access-date=2025-08-14 |work=ZeroHedge}}</ref> 

===Greenwashing===
Apple claims to be environmentally friendly and invests significant amounts of funds in corresponding PR campaigns,<ref>{{Cite web |title=Environment {{!}} Mother Nature |url=https://www.apple.com/environment/mother-nature/ |url-status=usurped |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250928112101/https://www.apple.com/environment/mother-nature/ |archive-date=2025-09-28 |access-date=2025-09-15 |website=Apple}}</ref>  but the reality is not quite as green.

Customers are lead to think that their purchases and frequent replacement of their devices do not have a negative impact on the environment, which is not the case.

In autumn of 2025, stricter EU regulations on misleading marketing claims and a lawsuite by German environmental and consumer protection non-profit organization ''Deutsche Umwelthilfe'' have forced Apple to remove their claim of carbon neutrality on several products on their EU websites. Affected products include the Apple Watch 3 and Apple Watch Series 11.<ref>{{Cite web |last=Schwan |first=Ben |date=2025-11-26 |title=Wegen EU-Regeln: Apple zieht Klimaneutralitäts-Claim zurück [Due to EU regulations: Apple retracts claim of climate neutrality] |url=https://www.heise.de/news/Wegen-EU-Regeln-Apple-zieht-Klimaneutralitaets-Claim-zurueck-10711532.html |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20260129120129/https://www.heise.de/news/Wegen-EU-Regeln-Apple-zieht-Klimaneutralitaets-Claim-zurueck-10711532.html |archive-date=2026-01-29 |access-date=2025-11-26 |website=Heise Online}}</ref>

====Green energy pooling====
Apple shares manufacturing capacity at Chinese/Taiwanese companies FoxConn and Pegatron with other companies. If Apple uses a hypothetical 20% of their manufacturing capacity, and company B, C, D, and E also each take up 20%, and the company doing the manufacturing runs on 20% renewably generated energy, now Apple as well as companies B, C, D, and E will each publicly claim that their manufacturing runs 100% on renewable energy. In other words, each company will claim the 20% renewable energy was used for ''their'' production.<ref>{{Cite journal |last=Gieselmann |first=Hartmut |date=2023 |title=Von wegen CO2-neutral – Umweltexperten werfen Apple Greenwashing vor |url=https://www.heise.de/select/ct/2023/23/2326512021124424489 |journal=c't Magazin für Computertechnik [Germany] |volume=2023 |issue=23 |pages=49 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20251104112550/https://www.heise.de/select/ct/2023/23/2326512021124424489 |archive-date=2025-11-04}}</ref>

====CO2 Certificates and forest projects====
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====The packaging trick====
Apple, like many companies, regularly emphasises how environmentally friendly their packaging is and highlight advancements in this area.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Apple 2030 – We’ve reduced our emissions by over 60% |url=https://www.apple.com/environment/ |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250910014941/https://www.apple.com/environment/ |archive-date=2025-09-10 |access-date=2025-09-15 |website=Apple}}</ref>

This deliberately distracts from the fact that only a negligible fraction of the environmental footprint of an electronic device comes from the packaging, as it is made of siginificant amounts or rare earth minerals, metals and mined components and consuming vast amounts of energy, water and fuel in manufacturing and transport.

Some of the environmental advancements touted by Apple could also be argued to be environmentally beneficial side effects of purely economic decisions aimed at maximizing profit, such as shipping iPhones without chargers.<ref>{{Cite web |last=Dragan |first=Lauren |date=2023-09-12 |title=iPhones No Longer Come With a Charger or Headphones. Here’s What to Get If You Need Them. |url=https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/blog/iphone-12-charger-headphones-options/ |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250731104206/https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/blog/iphone-12-charger-headphones-options/ |archive-date=2025-07-31 |access-date=2025-10-26 |website=The New York Times}}</ref>

====Shredding vast amounts of fully functional devices====
In 2020, it came to light that Apple had filed a lawsuit against a recycling company, revealing that 100,000 iPhones had been illegitimately shipped to China to be sold there instead of being shredded as had been agreed with Apple.<ref>{{Cite web |last=Lovejoy |first=Ben |date=2024-04-24 |title=100,000 iPhones stolen instead of scrapped; Apple accused of shredding usable devices |url=https://9to5mac.com/2024/04/18/100000-iphones-stolen-instead-of-scrapped/ |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250725022423/https://9to5mac.com/2024/04/18/100000-iphones-stolen-instead-of-scrapped/ |archive-date=2025-07-25 |access-date=2025-09-16 |website=9to5mac}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |last=Carrique |first=Felicitas |date=2020-10-04 |title=Apple sues recycling partner for reselling more than 100,000 iPhones, iPads, and Watches it was hired to dismantle |url=https://www.theverge.com/apple/2020/10/4/21499422/apple-sues-recycling-company-reselling-ipods-ipads-watches |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20260101232447/https://www.theverge.com/apple/2020/10/4/21499422/apple-sues-recycling-company-reselling-ipods-ipads-watches |archive-date=2026-01-01 |access-date=2025-09-16 |website=The Verge}}</ref>

These devices were likely trade-in devices from people who received a discount on a new model in exchange. Bloomberg News writes, referring to the contract with the recycler:<ref name=":0">{{Cite web |last=Carr |first=Austin |date=2024-04-18 |title=What Really Happens When You Trade In an iPhone at the Apple Store |url=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2024-04-18/apple-iphone-recycling-program-has-secrets |url-status=live |archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20250829001431/https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2024-04-18/apple-iphone-recycling-program-has-secrets |archive-date=29 Aug 2025|access-date=2025-09-16 |website=Bloomberg}}</ref><blockquote>Even if the iPhones looked good enough for resale, Apple Inc.’s contract with GEEP (said with a hard “g”) explicitly required that every product it sent be destroyed.</blockquote>Used iPhone that are sold on the used market are a direct competition to new sales by Apple.

Apple likely does not want the public to know about these processes, since security seems to be tight around the shredding process:<blockquote>In some cases, Apple hired outside security consultants to escort trucks to its recyclers and monitor the destruction process, which the tech giant could further analyze through data reports charting scrap weights and commodity yields to ensure the input matched the output.<ref name=":1">{{Cite web |last=Carr |first=Austin |date=2025-03-17 |title=Apple Drops Lawsuit Against Recycler in Mystery of Missing iPhones |url=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2025-03-17/apple-drops-lawsuit-against-recycler-in-mystery-of-missing-iphones |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250829001416/https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2025-03-17/apple-drops-lawsuit-against-recycler-in-mystery-of-missing-iphones |archive-date=2025-08-29 |access-date=2025-09-16 |website=Bloomberg News}}</ref></blockquote>Apple later retreated the lawsuit,<ref name=":1" /> leading to speculation that it wanted to avoid having to disclose how many devices they are really having shredded. 

====iPhone recycling robot mostly a publicity stunt====
The first iteration of Apple's iPhone recycling robot, designed for the iPhone 6, was never more than a publicity stunt, according to an article by Bloomberg:<ref name=":0" /><blockquote>Liam’s precision automation, however, proved a dead end. It could handle just one iPhone model, and not that well. If a device had corroded screws or sticky insides, the robot would glitch. A person familiar with the project estimates Liam could run for about 10 minutes without human intervention. Another person says Apple at times fed the robot still-functioning iPhones and, for media demos, cherry-picked cleaner units so it didn’t crash, suggesting Liam was geared more for promotion than scalability.</blockquote>The same article cites industry insider claiming that the new iteration of the robot is only able to recycle as many devices in a year as Apple sells in just 48 hours.<ref name=":0" /> Thus, it can be assumed that the vast majority of trade-in devices are simply shredded.

===OS-Level age verification===
{{Main|Apple introduces OS-level age verification}}
On February 25, 2026, Apple rolled out the iOS Beta version 26.4, in order to comply with the [[Online Safety Act]] and other similar normatives. This version contains an [[Age verification]] system built on the operating system, blocking content that could be considered as "mature", including websites. It will be rolled on the UK, Brazil, Australia, Singapore and US states of Louisiana and Utah. Site and content blocking cannot be bypassed by [[wikipedia:Virtual_Private_Network|VPNs]] as the restrictions are in the operating system itself. The current only way to prevent being blocked is by verifying by submitting info of an existing credit card. <ref>{{Cite web |date=February 24, 2026 |title=Age requirements for apps distributed in Brazil, Australia, Singapore, Utah, and Louisiana |url=https://developer.apple.com/news/?id=f5zj08ey |access-date=2026-03-06 |website=Apple Devloper}}</ref>

==Products==

*[[ICloud]]
*[[:Category:Apple IPhones|iPhone]]
*iPad
*Mac
*Apple Watch
*AirPods
*Apple TV
*Apple Vision
*Apple Pencil

*[[Apple App Store]]
*[[Apple Gatekeeper]]
*[[Xcode]]

==See also==

*[[Google]]
*[[Microsoft]]
*[[Samsung]]

==References==
{{Reflist}}

[[Category:Apple]]

Casey Stefanski

2026-03-08T19:51:59Z

Keith: cut irrelevant info. not sure if this needs a page but see talk page comments for that

[[File:Casey-headshot-2-1-796x1024.jpg|alt=Casey Stefanski|thumb| Casey Stefanski ]]

Casey Stefanski is an American child safety advocate and the Executive Director of the [[Digital Childhood Alliance]], a 501(c)(4) nonprofit organization founded in 2025. She is a mother of three and a retired collegiate athlete who has worked in child safety advocacy since 2012.<ref name=":0">{{Cite web |last=Digital Childhood Alliance |date=April 14, 2025 |title=Meet Digital Childhood Alliance Executive Director: Casey Stefanski. |url=https://www.digitalchildhoodalliance.org/meet-digital-childhood-alliance-executive-director-casey-stefanski/ |archive-url=https://ghostarchive.org/archive/ctSaM |archive-date=March 8, 2026}}</ref>

==Career==

===National Center on Sexual Exploitation (2012–2025)===
Prior to her current role, Stefanski spent over a decade at the National Center on Sexual Exploitation (NCOSE), an organization focused on combating sexual exploitation. She held multiple positions, including Director of Development, Deputy Executive Director, and Senior Director of Global Partnerships and Events.<ref name=":0" />

===Digital Childhood Alliance (2025–present)===
In April 2025, Stefanski became Executive Director of the newly founded [[Digital Childhood Alliance]]. The organization, formed as a 501(c)(4) nonprofit coalition, comprises more than 50 child advocacy organizations focused on making technology safer for children and empowering parents.<ref>{{Cite web |last=Digital Childhood Alliance |title=Our Team. |url=https://www.digitalchildhoodalliance.org/our-team/}}</ref>

The Digital Childhood Alliance's primary legislative focus is the App Store Accountability Act (ASAA), which would require app stores to verify users' ages and obtain parental approval before minors can download apps or make purchases.<ref name=":1">{{Cite web |last=Digital Childhood Alliance |title=App Store Accountability Act. |url=https://www.digitalchildhoodalliance.org/asaabill/}}</ref>

According to Stefanski, the ASAA aims to ensure compliance with COPPA (Children's Online Privacy Protection Act) and protect children from access to inappropriate content and applications.<ref name=":1" />

==Controversy==

===Tech Company Funding Disclosure (May 2025)===
In May 2025, Stefanski faced scrutiny over undisclosed tech company funding after refusing to answer direct questions about the organization's donors.

During testimony before the Louisiana State Senate Finance Committee on May 29, 2025, Louisiana Senator Jay Morris directly asked Stefanski, "Are you funded by tech companies?" Stefanski initially deflected and claimed she felt uncomfortable answering the question. When pressed for a direct yes-or-no answer, she eventually acknowledged that the Digital Childhood Alliance receives funding from tech companies but refused to identify which ones.<ref name=":2">{{Cite news |last=McKendry |first=Nolan |date=May 29, 2025 |title=Senator presses Digital Childhood Alliance on tech industry ties |url=https://www.thecentersquare.com/louisiana/article_e97200f8-13d0-4b1f-90a9-e9a7093d329f.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250530051109/https://www.thecentersquare.com/louisiana/article_e97200f8-13d0-4b1f-90a9-e9a7093d329f.html |archive-date=May 30, 2025 |work=Louisiana}}</ref><blockquote>"Are you funded by tech companies?" Morris asked. Stefanski "squirmed, deflected and claimed she 'didn't feel comfortable' answering." When Morris pressed for a simple yes or no answer, Stefanski eventually admitted they receive tech company funding but flatly refused to name which companies.</blockquote>When Senator Morris asked, "So, you're not going to tell us who's actually supporting it?" Stefanski declined to provide specifics beyond naming the father of the Digital Childhood Alliance's founder as the organization's largest individual donor.<ref name=":2" />

===Meta funding exposed (December 2025)===
In December 2025, investigative reporting revealed that [[Meta]] (parent company of Facebook and Instagram) is a significant funder of the Digital Childhood Alliance—information that Stefanski had declined to disclose during her May 2025 legislative testimony.<ref name=":3">{{Cite news |last=Lenney |first=Brian |date=December 8, 2025 |title=Meta's manipulation disguised as child safety. |url=https://www.deseret.com/opinion/2025/12/07/child-safety-bill-backed-by-meta/ |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20260215163841/https://www.deseret.com/opinion/2025/12/07/child-safety-bill-backed-by-meta/ |archive-date=February 15, 2026 |work=Deseret News}}</ref>

According to reporting, Meta also acknowledged having "collaborated with [[Digital Childhood Alliance]]."<ref name=":3" /> Multiple sources, including Insurance Journal, documented that Meta is helping fund the organization.<ref>{{Cite news |last=Birnbaum |first=Emily |date=July 25, 2025 |title=Meta Clashes With Apple, Google Over Child Age Check Legislation. |url=https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2025/07/25/833246.htm |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250925014626/https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2025/07/25/833246.htm |archive-date=September 25, 2025 |work=Insurance Journal}}</ref>

===Conflict of interest allegations===
Critics have raised concerns about a potential conflict of interest, arguing that Stefanski's organization is advocating for policies that directly benefit its largest funder, Meta, while claiming to represent independent child safety advocacy.<ref name=":3" />

The concern centers on the [[App Store Accountability Act]], which would require comprehensive age verification systems at app stores. Critics argue that such systems disproportionately burden Meta's smaller competitors while benefiting Meta, which already has extensive verification and data collection infrastructure.<ref name=":3" /><blockquote>The organization claiming to represent concerned parents is quietly funded by Meta, the parent company of Facebook and Instagram. The same company whose own internal research proved its platforms devastate teenage girls' mental health is now bankrolling campaigns that blame everyone except itself.</blockquote>Critics contend that the ASAA "accomplishes nothing except creating expensive verification systems that [[Meta]]'s competitors must build and pay for."<ref name=":3" />

===501(c)(4) status and regulatory structure===
The [[Digital Childhood Alliance]]'s organization as a 501(c)(4) nonprofit allows it to engage in unlimited political advocacy and lobbying while not being required to publicly disclose its donors.<ref name=":2" /> This legal structure explains why Stefanski was able to decline answering questions about her organization's funding sources during legislative testimony.

==Public statements and positioning==
Stefanski has stated that parental controls and existing tools are insufficient to protect children online, arguing that technology companies currently treat 13-year-olds as adults on their platforms. She has advocated for raising the age of digital accountability to 16.<ref>{{Cite news |last=Sumlin |first=Hayden |date=November 10, 2025 |title=Legislator workshops legislation to keep kids safe online. |url=https://www.appenmedia.com/news/legislator-workshops-legislation-to-keep-kids-safe-online/article_553c0a56-2c27-406d-9add-37515a317321.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20251203020527/https://www.appenmedia.com/news/legislator-workshops-legislation-to-keep-kids-safe-online/article_553c0a56-2c27-406d-9add-37515a317321.html |archive-date=December 3, 2025 |work=appenmedia.com}}</ref>

Regarding app stores specifically, Stefanski has characterized them as "digital gatekeepers of our children's lives" that "control what gets through, but until now, they've had zero accountability."<ref>{{Cite news |last=Stokel-Walker |first=Chris |date=Jan 12, 2026 |title=The Drive For Age Assurance Is Turning App Stores Into Childhood Regulators |url=https://www.techpolicy.press/the-drive-for-age-assurance-is-turning-app-stores-into-childhood-regulators/ |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20260219164225/https://www.techpolicy.press/the-drive-for-age-assurance-is-turning-app-stores-into-childhood-regulators/ |archive-date=February 19, 2026 |work=www.techpolicy.press}}</ref>

==References==

[[Category:Individuals]]
<references />

Talk:Casey Stefanski

2026-03-08T19:51:51Z

Keith: /* Unsure if she's notable enough to need a full article dedicated to her */ new section

== Unsure if she's notable enough to need a full article dedicated to her ==

If I'm not mistaken, the only incident/company she's connected with is this DCA lobbying group and the legal but dubious opacity surrounding its finances. Generally articles about Living Persons should probably be reserved for people who have been involved in multiple incidents, companies, or organisations related to consumer protection incidents. Not many people have made living person articles at this stage so we don't have any strict rules etc. on it, but the category is more intended for individuals like Mark Zuckerberg or some policymaker, where they've been involved in enough different controversies to fill a page. For this individual, I don't feel that there's much new info usefully included in this article which could not just be included in the DCA article instead.

Also a worthwhile distinction that came to me while writing this out (mainly for any of the regular wiki users who check this out) is that it's probably a good idea to avoid using Wikipedia's term for articles about living people, that being BLPs. BLP stands for biography of a living person, and we don't want any articles about living people to resemble full biographies; rather they should be focused very narrowly on their connection to consumer protection companies and incidents. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:51, 8 March 2026 (UTC)

Digital Childhood Alliance

2026-03-08T09:22:18Z

Keith:

The Digital Childhood Alliance is a nonprofit 501(c)(4) organization that operates as a coalition of child safety advocacy groups.<ref name=":0">{{Cite news |last=Lenney |first=Brian |date=Dec 7, 2025 |title=Opinion: The ‘child safety’ bill that’s actually protecting Meta |url=https://www.deseret.com/opinion/2025/12/07/child-safety-bill-backed-by-meta/}}</ref> The coalition includes more than 50 child advocacy groups, including prominent conservative organizations such as the Institute for Family Studies, the National Center on Sexual Exploitation, and the Heritage Foundation.<ref>{{Cite news |last=Watson |first=Eric |date=February 28, 2025 |title=Over 50 conservative groups form Digital Childhood Alliance to push for child safety online |url=https://pixelkin.org/2025/02/28/over-50-conservative-groups-form-digital-childhood-alliance-to-push-for-child-safety-online/ |url-status=live}}</ref>
==Funding and transparency==
The Digital Childhood Alliance has received funding from Meta, according to reporting by multiple sources.<ref>{{Cite news |last=Birnbaum |first=Emily |date=July 25, 2025 |title=Meta Clashes With Apple, Google Over Child Age Check Legislation |url=https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2025/07/25/833246.htm |url-status=live}}</ref> [[Meta]] is also collaborating with the organization, which leads advocacy efforts for app store age verification legislation.

Casey Stefanski, the executive director of the Digital Childhood Alliance, testified before the Louisiana State Senate that the organization receives funding from tech companies, including Meta, but initially declined to provide specifics about which companies fund the organization. Stefanski confirmed that she "didn't feel comfortable" answering direct questions about tech company funding initially. When pressed for a yes-or-no answer about whether tech companies provide funding, she eventually confirmed they do but refused to name them. The organization is registered as a 501(c)(4) nonprofit, a classification that allows for political advocacy without requiring disclosure of donors.<ref>{{Cite news |date=May 29, 2025 |title=Senator presses Digital Childhood Alliance on tech industry ties |url=https://www.thecentersquare.com/louisiana/article_e97200f8-13d0-4b1f-90a9-e9a7093d329f.html}}</ref>

==App Store Accountability Act advocacy==
The Digital Childhood Alliance is a coalition of conservative groups leading efforts to pass app store age verification legislation. The organization's primary legislative focus is the App Store Accountability Act, which would require age verification at the point of app store access. The organization's official materials state that the App Store Accountability Act "has garnered support from leading child safety organizations, including the National Center on Sexual Exploitation and the Institute for Family Studies, as well as major tech companies like Meta."<ref>{{Cite web |last=Digital Childhood Alliance. |first= |title=App Store Accountability Act FAQ. |url=https://www.digitalchildhoodalliance.org/faq/}}</ref>

==Regulatory complaints==
The alliance has filed complaints with the Federal Trade Commission against Apple and Google regarding app store practices.<ref>{{Cite news |last=Kaminski |first=Anna |date=March 5, 2026 |title=Tech companies vie for influence over Kansas app store age verification legislation |url=https://kansasreflector.com/2026/03/05/tech-companies-vie-for-influence-over-kansas-app-store-age-verification-legislation/ |url-status=live}}</ref>

==Public scrutiny==
In December 2025, investigative reporting exposed the Meta funding relationship that Stefanski had declined to disclose publicly during legislative testimony.<ref name=":0" /> Critics have argued that the funding arrangement creates a conflict of interest, as the organization advocates for policies that benefit Meta while preventing accountability for Meta's own platform practices regarding minors.

==References==
<references />
==External Links==
• Digital Childhood Alliance official website - [https://www.digitalchildhoodalliance.org/]

User talk:Keith

2026-03-06T16:44:47Z

Keith: /* Publicising RfCs */ Reply

[[User:Alexa|Alexa]] ([[User talk:Alexa|talk]]) 16 May 2025

Hello @[[User:Keith|Keith]],

I'm interested in helping with the wiki, and specifically I have real world example, but would like to check if it's a good fit here or not.

And I can't talk in discord, as it's forcing me to submit my email.

Is this a good place to start conversation on adding new company, and fitness of the case.

Thank you.

∼∼∼∼

Hi @[[User:Alexa|Alexa]]!

No problem at all - go ahead and let me know what your thought is and I'll give you my thoughts on whether/how it fits on the wiki!

[[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 20:03, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

[[User:Alexa|Alexa]] ([[User talk:Alexa|talk]]) 06:36, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

@[[User:Keith|Keith]],

There is company in California that offers indoor skydiving, and obviously they have waiver to sign (with arbitration 😃), but it's not the issue I found there, but that part of that waiver is "consent" to "grant exclusive permission" to take photo/video, and use it in their promotional materials, and there is no way to sign the waiver without consenting to that photo/video permission, online form doesn't allow you to proceed. And even when we went to the place itself, staff said that "corporate doesn't allow them to print out forms to fill out, anymore, and all waivers need to be filled in online", means we can't opt out from that photo/video consent. So my kid ended up not taking that "flight", because we couldn't sign the waiver without consenting to photos.

Thank you.

[[User:Alexa|Alexa]] ([[User talk:Alexa|talk]]) 17 May 2025

@[[User:Alexa|Alexa]]

I think that fits the bill - although it's a smaller company, it fits within the frame of modern consumer protection and demonstrates how draconian the terms for even something like that can be.
Go for it! I'd probably say that this is a case where a company article can be created, and the TOS issue can be neatly summarised within it, as opposed to being a seperate incident article.

Edit: actually, I might have got ahead of myself - is this something which has been covered or discussed annywhere other than by yourself? If not, it may fall foul of the No Original Research rule, although a very basic page which basically just lays out the facts which can be established from their website and TOS, and does not provide any commentary beyond this, might be ok.

[[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 07:55, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

==Re: CAT Documentation==
[[User:Keith|@Keith]] I've replied to your message at [[User talk:Travis]]. Let me know if you'd like to discuss further approaches to organizing the documentation. [[User:Travis|Travis]] ([[User talk:Travis|talk]]) 14:43, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

==Delegating tasks==

Hello Keith,

You said at the meetup that you found it easy to delegate.

This interests me because when I was in business, I found it difficult delegate: did not believe people could not do a good enough job and I would be still responsible for the results.

Is this topic of interest to you?

∼∼∼∼

[[User:Janosabel|Janosabel]] ([[User talk:Janosabel|talk]]) 22:48, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

:I think that in the context of wikis or any kind of community project, one needs to be able to trust others to get anywhere (perhaps with some verification too at times).
:I'm under absolutely no illusion that I can do all or even much of this by myself, and we have some really talented and great people on the team!
:There's no way of achieving the results we'd want without spreading the workload and decision-making responsibility. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 09:33, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
::I understand what you mean.
::Just realised, I was speaking about me half a century ago; and not being able to trust delegees cost me a burnout. Without delegation even if imperfect, what must be done cannot be done.
::Unfortunately I cannot help by contributing to the Wiki for lack of academic training in the required writing style, but put on my talk page a witness account how supermarkets expanding to local areas are killing independent small traders.
::PS. What is the difference between <edit source> and using the <reply> button? [[User:Janosabel|Janosabel]] ([[User talk:Janosabel|talk]]) 20:05, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
:::I think the reply button just opens up a small window of the editor, and applies the signature to the message automatically? I'll have a look at what you mentioned, but I'm not sure it quite fits the theme of the Wiki, as we're keeping it focused on anti-consumer activities, rather than general issues with corporate behaviour.
:::And yes, I'll be careful on burnout! I want to avoid the combination of this and my day job driving me mad... [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 23:02, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

==Thanks and silly questions==

Hi Keith,

thanks for adding me to the confirmed users. Total newbie here, i have no idea how to properly contribute. I tried to start a discussion in the Category Leagislation Africa, not sure if it was posted.

Should i ask it directly here? or keep it in that category?

Mika, Madagascar. [[User:Mikadago|Mikadago]] ([[User talk:Mikadago|talk]]) 11:42, 16 August 2025 (UTC)

:I'm happy to reply there, though it will take a few mins to put together an answer and provide some guidance on where best to include the information [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 13:28, 16 August 2025 (UTC)

==Is the main Miku article ready to have the stub removed?==

[[Miku]]

I've been working on getting to Miku article to a better place, is there anything else you think I should add to it before the stub is removed? [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 01:20, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

:Happy to remove the incomplete notice as it's defeinitely better sourced now, but I think it might be s good idea for you to have a look at how the controversies/incidents section is laid out on the [[Netflix]] article, as the way it's done in the Miku article is a little strange, especially with the 'this article sumarizes' bits at the start of paragraphs
:In any case, thank you for the good work! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 08:46, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

==Why was my page deleted?==

I also see no notices or notifications in regard to this. I thought the whole point of this was for transparency? [[User:Slab Man|Slab Man]] ([[User talk:Slab Man|talk]]) 21:12, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

:From what I can tell you created the article with, other than the information from the form, just a couple of sentences containing an accusation without any citation or reference to support it. After around 12 hours, Mr Pollo added a deletion notice to the article, as there was virtually no information contained in the article. After a couple more days, as the article had not been edited or improved, it was deleted.
:I can't speak to the lack of notifications - usually whenever an article you've been involved in is edited, it will show up in your inbox in the top right of the screen. It's possible that the full deletion of the article resulted in it removing the notifications; I'm not exactly sure of how that interaction works [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 23:01, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
::Well I planned to add more details and citations when I had time. It can't be a draft/work in progress? You have to write everything in one go? [[User:Slab Man|Slab Man]] ([[User talk:Slab Man|talk]]) 04:44, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
:::The wiki generally expects an article to have at least a few references and all of the template parts at least partially filled in within the first few days of an article's creation. [[User:JamesTDG|JamesTDG]] ([[User talk:JamesTDG|talk]]) 05:59, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
:::I'll second what James said, and also add that it's possible to create draft pages within your user space. You do this by adding 'user:[yourname]/' to the start of the page name. This keeps it out of mainspace, meaning it is not searchable by the main search bar.
:::Currently this policy you've encountered is unwritten, so I'll add it to the moderator guidelines shortly. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 06:30, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
::::Noted. It would be great if there was a regular draft function like in almost every software. (So this doesn’t happen to other new users after their first contribution.) Honestly, after you deleted it, it felt like my contribution is unwanted. [[User:Slab Man|Slab Man]] ([[User talk:Slab Man|talk]]) 04:31, 21 August 2025 (UTC)
:::::That's fair enough - we should add some more text to the article creation flow which explains how user space works, how to make a draft article, and what the policy for handling new articles is. If you'd like, I can get the text from the deleted article and put it on your user talk page or something so you can pick it up from where you left off? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 10:37, 21 August 2025 (UTC)
::::::Thank you that would be great. Looking forward to helping out! [[User:Slab Man|Slab Man]] ([[User talk:Slab Man|talk]]) 18:32, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

==Interenet Archive stub notice seems badly placed==

Hi @[[User:Keith|Keith]], the stub notice on [[Internet Archive]] seems to be after the lead section and not before it. Can you please fix this? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:40, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

:Done! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 08:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

==Question about re-use of sources for LiveView Article==

Hey Keith,

I noticed that for the [[LiveView Technologies AI Surveillance]] article, the same source has been re-used multiple times but shows up with a different citation number. Namely the citations number 6,32, and 33 are duplicates of 4 (LVT Use Cases in Law Enforcement), 14 is a duplicate of 5 (AI-Driven Mobile Security for Every Threat), 35 is a duplicate of 8 (Fusion Centers), and 21 is a duplicate of 20 (Mobile cameras deployed at Monroe County Office Building amid security concerns)

Also the links are missing the archive URLs in the references and some don't have author first and last name or date where they are available on the site or the date is incorrect.

I have a version of the article which shrinks the list of references (citation 33 is now a re-use of citation 4 for that section for example) and also has the relevant archive links and names and dates for each reference where possible.

Should I commit the change? I know that this article may be looked at be people very soon and I'd rather get your approval to change it and have you ready to roll-back or append to it in case you don't like it. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 18:47, 26 August 2025 (UTC)

:I think I'm going to commit the change now, you're free to revert it or check it over in case I messed something up. In the event this article is mentioned at City hall on Thursday, I want it to be the best it can be.
:Thank you for helping with the wiki. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 19:03, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you! and yeah, if you notice small formating issues (especially with an article louis has been working on :P ) just go ahead and make the change - that's the way of the wiki! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:41, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
:::Small formatting issues or other non-obvious things like referencing problems* [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:41, 26 August 2025 (UTC)

==Proposal to add a section for organized meetings. (might be a better name for this)==

Hey Keith, I hope I'm not posting here again too early.

I thought about how every time Louis wants to generate interest for a particular issue with regards to getting viewers to organize, most of the time he has to do a video on it and these calls for organization when fighting for a particular issue (such as LVT tomorrow) are based in the United States.

I don't know if this already exists on the wiki (if it does, i'd like to know where it is), but do you think it would be a good idea to create a page specifically for posting the dates and instructions for showing up to demonstrations or hearings for the purposes of pushing back against anti-consumer or anti-privacy related issues? (This could be world-wide).

If someone from the UK for example wanted to organize a demonstration or have people speak at or attend an open council meeting, they would edit a row of a wiki table and list the time of the demonstration, an additional page describing the instructions or requirements to attend, and the issue that will be talked about (similar to rossmanngroup.com/clippyone).

I feel that with something like this, organizing both members of the public and members of the wiki regardless of country would be much easier and could provide a centralized and updated list of upcoming events based on user submission and moderator approval.

Let me know what you think about something like this when you're free to reply, I'd like to hear your thoughts in addition to anyone else who sees this and wants to talk about it. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 17:11, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

:It's definitely on the edge of what makes sense here, but I think that it's worth considering as it could well be useful. Might be something that will end up being done through FULU though in the end... maybe some kind of 'events noticeboard' a bit like the moderator notice could work? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 20:25, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
::An "events noticeboard" in the way you describe it with moderation is exactly what I was thinking. You're right about how it should be done through FULU directly instead of the wiki, that's a better idea.
::Thanks for your input, I appreciate it. I was just wondering if it was a completely off-the-wall idea. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 23:16, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

==BT article==

Hello Keith, remember [[BT's Digital Voice service in the UK isn't good for the Elderly|this article]]? I pinged you 16 days ago but it seems that it didn’t work and I’ve forgotten about it since. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 19:27, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

:Thanks for the reminder! as we were both in agreement, I removed the article. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 06:48, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

==Privacy notice change==

Hello Keith, I was looking through things in the Mediawiki namespace to see how backend works, when I noticed the [[Mediawiki:Footer-privacy-notice]] page and it reminded me of [[Talk:Main Page#stating "Recently updated" not particularly helpful|this on the main page]]. Can we change it quickly or does it need to be done backend? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:37, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

:We're going to do a policy update and a full review of that stuff when we update the backend tomorrow, so I'll make sure it's handled [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:01, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

==Protect Template:Welcome==

Hello, am contacting you directly as I think it is the best way to make this happen, but PLEASE protect Template:Welcome, I doubt we'll get vandalism on there but if we do and it sends a message with it we're done for... [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:06, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

:Oh, also can you make the bot substitute (make the template not change on that page even after it gets updated) the templates for the sake of preservation of the page? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:08, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks @[[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] for getting that first one!
::I think I get what you mean re. the substitution, but have no idea how to do it. Will look into it [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:30, 14 October 2025 (UTC)
:Done. Thanks for bringing it up! I'm not sure about your second question though, so I'll leave that to Keith. [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 18:26, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
::Second one is complicated, but the first one is the only important one. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:39, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

==Is it fine for me to get an alternate account?==

Edit: Have no clue why I'd need this in practice, so forget about it. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:33, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

:no worries. In answer to your question, as long as we're notified, and there are no sockpuppetry shenanigans, then the answer is yes. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:39, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

==Do you mind if I use AutoWikiBrowser on the CRW?==

Hello, I recently heard about a tool called [[wikipedia:WP:AWB|AutoWikiBrowser]] which is a semi-automated tool meant to help for repetitive smaller edits which I do a lot, do you mind if I use it and if you don't mind, should I use an alternate account for it (maybe with 'bot flag' even though it's not a bot so it doesn't show??) Edit: Also, the page to get this, [[Special:BotPasswords|BotPasswords]], lets you change grants for people/things with the password, so is it okay to let people/things with the password edit protected pages (for things like typo-fixing Project namespace pages)? It is risky if it is obtained.[[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:23, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

:Happy for you to use that! sounds like a great tool. No strong opinions on whetehr you make a separate account for it [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:11, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
::On the passwords front, I'm not sure how exactly that works. Does it give you the ability to use your own account via API? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:14, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
:::Yes, botpasswords is pretty much that. It lets you change permissions too, so I can give it only specific permissions for safety reasons. Also, as for the ‘seperate account thing’ Botpasswords (the one that I can use) gives me a new account anyway so there’s no reason for it, just me misunderstanding the usage. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 14:16, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
::::Cool, that sounds fine then! do you need me to do anything to get it set up? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:20, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::No, I’ll do it myself when I next get a chance on my PC (without any special perms as I don’t know why I’d need that!) [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 14:21, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

==Found Large Amount of 404 links for flock article==

Page link: [[Flock license plate readers]]

Hey Keith,

I was checking the sources in the above article and noticed that for a large section of it, the sources will lead directly to pages which either don't exist or result in 404. I really hope that this is just a problem on my end and isn't really the case. Below is the complete list of all sources I found that lead to 404'd pages. On the actual article page, I have also marked the following with the status of usurped for the time being.

{| class="wikitable"
|+
!Ref #

!Title

!Issue

!Archive state

!Link

|-
|20
|"How Vehicle Fingerprint Technology Works"
|404
|no archive
|
https://www.flocksafety.com/resources/how-vehicle-fingerprint-technology-works
|-
|21
|
"License Plate Surveillance Company Can Now Capture Images of Vehicle Occupants' Faces"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://www.404media.co/flock-safety-can-now-capture-faces-of-vehicle-occupants/
|-
|
22
|
"Transforming Flock: Beyond License Plate Reading to Deliver Greater Insights for Solving Crime"
|
404
|
no archive
|

https://www.flocksafety.com/newsroom/transforming-flock-beyond-license-plate-reading-to-deliver-greater-insights-for-solving-crime/
|-
|
24
|
"Atlas of Surveillance: Flock Safety"
|
goes to deeplinks blog, but no article
|
no archive
|
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/04/atlas-surveillance-flock-safety
|-
|
25
|
"Leaders of a Beautiful Struggle v. Baltimore Police Department"
|
404
|no archive
|

https://www.eff.org/cases/leaders-beautiful-struggle-v-baltimore-police-department
|-
|
26
|
"Carpenter and the Evolving Fourth Amendment"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://www.law.georgetown.edu/american-criminal-law-review/wp-content/uploads/sites/15/2023/01/60-1-Carpenter-and-the-Evolving-Fourth-Amendment.pdf
|-
|
27
|
"Leaders of a Beautiful Struggle v. Baltimore Police Department"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67689711/leaders-of-a-beautiful-struggle-v-baltimore-police-department/
|-
|28
|
"Illinois Compiled Statutes - Freedom from Drone Surveillance Act"
|
404
|
no archive
|

https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs3.asp?ActID=3541&ChapterID=53
|-
|
29
|
"RSA 236:130 Automated License Plate Recognition"
|
potential 404
|
no archive
|
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XXI/236/236-130.htm
|-
|
32
|
"Surveillance firm provided ICE access to license plate reader systems"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jul/15/flock-safety-ice-license-plate-reader
|-
|
33
|
"How Flock Safety is Building a Surveillance Network for ICE"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/03/flock-safety-and-ice
|-
|
34
|
"ICE Surveillance of Immigrants and Advocates"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://americanoversight.org/investigation/ice-surveillance-of-immigrants-and-advocates/
|-
|
35
|
"ACLU Obtains Records Showing ICE Using License Plate Readers in Sanctuary Cities"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://www.aclunc.org/news/aclu-obtains-records-showing-ice-using-license-plate-readers-sanctuary-cities
|-
|
36
|
"License Plate Readers Are Creating a US-Wide Database of More Than Just Cars"
|404
|no archive
|
https://www.vice.com/en/article/license-plate-readers-abortion-clinics-texas
|-
|37
|"Reproductive Surveillance in Post-Roe America"
|404
|no archive
|https://www.surveillancewatch.io/reproductive-surveillance-post-roe/
|-
|38
|"State Shield Laws and Reproductive Privacy"
|dead site
|no archive
|https://reproductiverights.gov/shield-laws/
|-
|39
|"Flock Safety Employees Caught Misusing Access to Surveillance Network"
|404
|no archive
|https://www.wired.com/story/flock-safety-employees-misuse-access/
|-
|40
|"Audit Reveals Hundreds of Flock Safety Privacy Violations"
|404
|no archive
|https://www.techdirt.com/2024/05/15/audit-reveals-hundreds-of-flock-safety-privacy-violations/
|-
|41
|"When License Plate Readers Become Tools for Stalking"
|404
|no archive
|https://apnews.com/article/license-plate-readers-police-misuse-stalking
|-
|42
|"Detroit Officer Fired for Using City Cameras to Track Ex-Wife"
|404
|no archive
|https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/detroit-city/2024/03/officer-fired-tracking-ex-wife/
|-
|43
|"Proactive Security Disclosure Q2 2025"
|404
|no archive
|https://www.flocksafety.com/blog/proactive-security-disclosure-q2-2025
|}
If you discover no issues (or the formatting of this table turns out horrible and breaks your talk page), disregard this and remove my topic from your page. And revert the change I made to the article where I marked the mentioned links as usurped.

Hopefully if these sites really lead to nothing and it's not just me, then the table makes it easy for you to do something. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 02:52, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

:Had a bit of a dig and my suspicion, expecially since these references are all next to each other, is that there was probably some AI chicanery in the making of the article.
:Seem to be poitentially based on real pages, e.g. this one:
:https://www.eff.org/document/fourth-circuit-ruling-leaders-beautiful-struggle-v-baltimore-police-department
:is probably meant to be #25 instead of what is currently there
:I'd recommend sticking this table on the Flock talk page (if you haven't already) and letting people know they might need to look for what these links are meant to be [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:19, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
::I went ahead and added the table to the discussion tab. Should there be a notice at the top of the Flock page to make people aware? Or leave it as is? [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 17:42, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
:::Nevermind about the notice. The references were small enough to not need them for the most part. I started working on fixing some of them [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 18:30, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

==Oversighted something==

Hello, Keith! I just wanted to let you know I just gave myself the 'suppressor' user right as I oversighted what I think could be your IP address for privacy reasons. The info is at [[Special:Diff/805]]. If it isn't your IP address, feel free to revert what I just did. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 11:32, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

:I think it might have been (though very good chance it was some temp VPN/mobile IP address). In any case, thank you for spotting it! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 12:09, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

==being able to edit Discussions==

hey so I just discovered I can edit discussions. not only mine but any1 elses. is this an oversight? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 20:23, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

:Not sure - might just be how wikis are (given that edit logs are public, it's pretty easy to combat anyone trying to abuse it, same as with article vandalism)
:I'll page in @[[User:UntoK|UntoK]] in case it's something that isn't how it should be [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 23:13, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
::Nah, that's MediaWiki. Nothing unusual there. Edit Source is actually the default way to edit discussions in MediaWiki, but the interface is changed by an extension (forgot the name), so that it shows as this instead of just the edit source button. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:37, 5 December 2025 (UTC)
:::dk y I didn't notice that b4. I've been on and off w contribs so thought smth changed since my last visit. anyhow thanks for clearing up the concern. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:00, 8 December 2025 (UTC)

=="fixing" recent changes==

since the introduction of [[Template:Welcome]], [[Special:RecentChanges]] has become a graveyard of User:Talks that I have to sift through in order to double check people's work. can we please block [[User:New_user_message]] from showing up on there?

edit: the bot bypasses the "Human (not bot) active filter
[[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 22:12, 26 December 2025 (UTC)

:yeah, that's a localsettings.php part that Keith can pass on to Unto. setting $wgNewUserSuppressRC to true should work. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:50, 1 January 2026 (UTC)
::as a temp fix, [https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Special:RecentChanges?hidebots=1&namespace=3&invert=1&limit=100&days=7&enhanced=1&urlversion=2 this] should work [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:54, 1 January 2026 (UTC)
:::legend. thank you [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 18:43, 1 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Hi @[[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] - took a bit of a break over the holidays so sorry for not replying. I'll contact Unto and see if he can take a look [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:12, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::Fair enough! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:49, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::any update? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 17:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I've put Unto on it but no update. I'll chase him [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:30, 13 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Darth Sidious says "do it". [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:36, 14 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::any update? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 23:08, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I think it's been fixed? I don't see New User Message clogging up the feed anymore [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:54, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I certainly remember that we tried to fix it, and I think it seemed to work [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:54, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::oh... I was using ACRP's temp fix so I did not realize and thought it was still broken lol [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:06, 1 March 2026 (UTC)

==*sigh*==

Where are the projects (again)? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:04, 19 January 2026 (UTC)

:deja vu? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 18:42, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
::[[Consumer_Rights_Wiki_talk:Moderators%27_noticeboard#*sigh*|oh]] [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 18:48, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
:::LOL, made me chuckle seeing your replies! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:55, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
::::hey as a wise man once said "if you are good at something, never do it for free". that'll be $5 my friend [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:05, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::yeah, replied on the noticeboard, but just adding here - I think an update must have broken it. have contacted Unto [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 01:07, 20 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] @[[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] Fixed! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:52, 20 January 2026 (UTC)

==sorry for the ping==

I used the intro text from [[Texas Attorney General sues multiple TV makers over ACR user data collection]] to add to the Incidents section for each of the mentioned companies. In the edit summary I linked you. Ik that @ and [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 22:33, 21 January 2026 (UTC) ping the user but idk abt linking. regardless sorry abt the pings

:th happened here? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 22:34, 21 January 2026 (UTC)
::No worries! I don't think @s in edit summaries cause pings anyway [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 22:37, 21 January 2026 (UTC)

==alternative to Discord==

I don't use Discord. many members of the wiki don't use Discord. can't talk on their behalf but I can mine. if there was a Matrix or heck Signal gc (lol), I'd love to be a part of it. are there any plans for migration off Discord or perhaps providing w an alternative they'd be more comfortable with? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:32, 23 January 2026 (UTC)

:We're hoping to get a Zulip bridge with the Discord in the next couple of months. This would allow people to essentially join the Discord without joining the Discord, with the exception of a couple of features like bot commands and voice channels. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 08:19, 24 January 2026 (UTC)
::lovely looking forward to it [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 09:44, 24 January 2026 (UTC)
:::is the Zulip bridge still under consideration following the impending age verification push in March? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 23:07, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
::::I've not heard of Zulip but it sounds like some sort of proxy? I'd prefer something like Matrix but that seems great too. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:44, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Zulip is a bit like a matrix/discord-y thing, and we'd use plugins to essentially crosspost everything that's sent to it to the discord and vice versa. It's still coming along but I've been crap and haven't got the server paid up yet. will try and do this next week and we can hopefully get it up shortly. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:45, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Just in case yous hadn't noticed it on the main page @[[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] @[[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]], we're moving our monthly hangout meetings from discord to zoom so as to include more of the community, and you're both welcome to join! first one is at 20:00 UTC tomorrow. if you pop me an email over to help@consumerrights.wiki, I'll send you the zoom link (son't want to posted publicly for obvious reasons) [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:50, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I've seen that, I'm not interested in joining though. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:21, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::oh I totally missed that. I'll shoot over an email and add it to my calendar but dk if I'll be able to join. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:09, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Apologies for not seeing this sooner - I'll send over a link just now! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:34, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Hi, any update on the Zulip bridge? Sorry for asking after such a short time but I'd really like to use it! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:24, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

==Can you help moving my page==

Sorry I said this 3 times or more, I got confused, can you move please, I moved it in wrong place, may I ask should I ask here instead of the pages I placed [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 21:23, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

:Thank you but should I create it in the user page just to clarify [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 21:34, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
::Don't want to be nuisance that all when doing my article [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 21:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I've replied on your user page - think it should be alright now? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 21:38, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
::::your user talk page* [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 21:38, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

==Adding categories==

Hello, please don't add categories in the visual editor as it doesn't work, instead simply type <code><nowiki>[[Category:CATEGORYNAME]]</nowiki></code> and replace CATEGORYNAME with the name of the category, otherwise it won't work. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:57, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:Apologies, thank you! I usually use source but I think there I just hit 'edit' by accident as was trying to set it up quickly. just so you know, I've replied to stefan's questions on the page he moved - thank you for moving the page he created! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 17:31, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

==Regarding a recent article I created==

Hello, Keith! I have finally decided to become a contributor here. The article I've been working on is [[Happy Bar & Grill Biometric Surveillance]]. However, when someone I've sent the link to opens it, they see the version that was last updated before I created my profile. What could be causing this? I apologise for any lack of knowledge on my part. [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 18:23, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:Unfortunately this is a problem with cloudflare's caching. If you wait a short while, or they log in, they should see the updated version. We've found a solution and will be shipping it with the next version of the wiki so that page edits are instantly reflected in cached versions of pages. Until then, it's just a case of waiting a while or logging in (logging in bypasses the cache as it needs to load user-specific elements). Great work on the article by the way! Just as a heads up, we're happy to have sources in non-english languages, so if you find any Bulgarian sources discussing it, those would be great to add to the article to demonstrate notability. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 18:42, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::Oops, apparently I was spreading misinformation on the internet regarding the exact reasons for it not being cached, but the gist is still the same, which is that logged-in users bypass the cache! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 18:48, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::Thank you for the swift reply and the explanation! It's so refreshing to see people working hard and helping others for a good cause. Also very happy to hear that you like how the article has turned out so far. I've extensively searched for any other sources regarding the issue, but found nothing. I guess someone has to start the discussion! :D
::Just to confirm: is the wiki English-only? I'd love to make the article more accessible to my compatriots, but I suppose I'll just tell them to use the automatic translation option on their browser. [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 21:05, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The wiki is english only yeah, for moderation purposes (we don't have a team that's reliably able to check the quality of non-english articles). if you wanted, though, we'd be happy for you to put a bulgarian version in your user space (i.e. the page lives at consumerrights.wiki/w/User:Juuns/[pagename]) - just make sure to put a note in english at the top so that none of the mods mistake it for a spam article! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 22:48, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Hey there, thanks for the advice! Is that alright? https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Iw/User:Juuns/%D0%91%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%BE_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BB%D1%8E%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%B2_Happy_Bar_%26_Grill_-_bg_translation_of_an_existing_article/&veaction=edit [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 08:35, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Yep! The URL looks cursed written out like that lol but it's in the right place [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:24, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

==Stub Pains==

Hey Keith,

I'm way out of my depth here with these stub notices, I added a stub to two new articles I made not realizing they would literally prevent my ability to add any text to the article.

links: [[AirPods Connection Vulnerability]] | [[AirPods Max Moisture Issue]]

When I attempt to make a change to the article, I was getting a stub deletion error. If I did something wrong, would you be able to explain what exactly happened with this so it doesn't happen again? [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 06:55, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

:(IN CASE YOU COULDN'T NOTICE, I'M NOT KEITH!) This is a common issue that users have had for a very long time now. If you edit anywhere before or on the line of the stub notice, something called the abuse filter says "nope, lol, nice try" and blocks the edit. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:18, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
::Should work now. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
:Ah, I think I did the same thing as ACRP, but the stub notices are now on their own line and not touching anything else, so there shouldn't be any further issues [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:30, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

==Publicising RfCs==

Hello, the RfCs you made haven't gotten any attention. Should we publicise them better? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:34, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

:Yeah, I'll set up some kind of hub that includes pages with the RfC category or something. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:23, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
::ok, I made a category for open and closed RfCs, transcluded them on a page, and linked to it from the policy index. idk if there's anywhere else it should be? I guess it's probably worth mentioning on some of the guide-y pages [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:44, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

Consumer Rights Wiki:Wiki policy index

2026-03-06T16:43:24Z

Keith: removed top contributors link as it's already on the sidebar pretty prominently. added link to requests for comments index

This page contains a list of all current Consumer Rights Wiki policy documents. If you believe that a document is here by error, spot an inconsistency within the policies, or believe that a document is missing, please let an admin know via the [[Consumer Rights Wiki talk:Moderators' noticeboard|Moderators' noticeboard]], or via the [https://discord.gg/ypUk97Fn79 Discord].

==Mission statement==
*[[Mission statement|Mission statement]]

==Writing guidelines==
The following pages contain guidelines for writing articles:

*[[Consumer_Rights_Wiki:Article Types|Article types]] - contains an overview of the different article types on the Wiki, and when it is appropriate to create them
*[[Consumer_Rights_Wiki:Inclusion guidelines|Inclusion guidelines]] - contains further guidelines on what makes an article or topic suitable for the Wiki
*[[Consumer_Rights_Wiki:Editorial guidelines|Editorial guidelines]] - contains a high-level view of how content on the wiki should be written, as well as guidelines on sourcing
**[[Consumer Rights Wiki:Verifiability|Verifiability]] - contains guidelines on sourcing
*[[Consumer_Rights_Wiki:Wiki content policies|Wiki content policies]] - contains our interpretation of Wikipedia's three main content policies: NPOV, Verifiability, and NOR
*[[Consumer_Rights_Wiki:Style guide|Style guide]] - contains information about writing and formatting standards for the Wiki
*[[Consumer_Rights_Wiki:Moderator guidelines|Moderator guidelines]] - contains guidelines on the enforcement of Wiki policy
*[[Consumer_Rights_Wiki:Living persons policy|Living persons policy]] - contains guidance for writing articles on, or relating to, living people
*[[Consumer_Rights_Wiki:Tools for writing articles|Tools for writing articles]] - contains information on useful tools for writing articles
*[[Consumer Rights Wiki:AI usage policy|AI usage policy]] - contains advice for how to approach the use of AI when editing the Wiki

==Other guidelines==

*[[Consumer Rights Wiki:Rules|Rules]] - contains general rules for the wiki
*[[Consumer_Rights_Wiki:Categorization|Categorization]] - contains guidelines on how categories should be applied to articles, detailing the Wiki's categorization system
*[[Consumer_Rights_Wiki:Talk page guidelines|Talk page guidelines]] - contains guidelines on using talk pages
*[[Consumer_Rights_Wiki:Conflict_of_interest_policy|Conflict of interest policy]] - how to engage with pages you have a personal interest in

==Special pages==
The following pages contain other useful information or functionality for contributors:

*[[Consumer_Rights_Wiki_Talk:Bugs|Bugs]] - for bug reports and discussions
*[[CRW Team|Staff List]] - this lists the people who are part of the CRW team.
*[[Consumer_Rights_Wiki:Requests for Comment|Request for Comment index]] - A list of all the active Requests for Comment on the wiki
*[[Consumer Rights Wiki talk:Moderators' noticeboard|Moderators' noticeboard]] - communicate with the moderation team
*[[Consumer Rights Wiki:Moderator_applications|Moderator applications]] - Apply to join the mod team!
*[[Louis Rossmann - Video Directory|Louis Rossmann video directory]] - contains a list of Louis' videos, which may be worth converting into wiki articles

==Legal==

*[[Consumer_Rights_Wiki:Copyrights|Copyrights]]
*[[Consumer_Rights_Wiki:General disclaimer|General disclaimer]]
*[[Consumer_Rights_Wiki:Privacy policy|Privacy policy]]

Consumer Rights Wiki:Requests for Comment

2026-03-06T16:40:35Z

Keith: fixed

This page acts as an index for all past and present Requests for Comment on the Consumer Rights Wiki. Requests for comment are to be created by users when they wish to solicit a wide range of views on a topic, whether it be related to a specific article, or a general wiki-wide topic.
==Active Requests for Comment==
[[:Category:Open_RfC]]

==Closed/Archived Requests for Comment==
[[:Category:Closed_RfC]]

[[Category:CRW]]

Consumer Rights Wiki:Requests for Comment

2026-03-06T16:38:58Z

Keith: created page

This page acts as an index for all past and present Requests for Comment on the Consumer Rights Wiki. Requests for comment are to be created by users when they wish to solicit a wide range of views on a topic, whether it be related to a specific article, or a general wiki-wide topic.
==Active Requests for Comment==
{{Special:CategoryTree|Open_RfC|mode=pages}}

==Closed/Archived Requests for Comment==
{{Special:CategoryTree|Closed_RfC|mode=pages}}

[[Category:CRW]]

Consumer Rights Wiki talk:RfC - site navigability

2026-03-06T16:35:24Z

Keith:

This page contains a [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment#What_an_RfC_is|Request for Comment]]. Please use the 'add topic'/'reply' features to start and engage in discussion relating to the topic at hand.
==Site navigability==
This RfC is intended for editors to both comment and coordinate on any aspects of the process of navigating the wiki they feel could be improved, or to discuss improvements they would like to make to the CRW themselves.
[[Category:Open_RfC]]
==AnotherConsumerRightsPerson's thoughts==
I'll start this off. I'll need a bit longer to properly gather some thoughts, but I've decided to have a look at the main page when you first login to the wiki, and think of what you see first. You see a welcome with a blue link that leads to the mission statement of the wiki, with some text explaining what it's for, and then the next thing you see is ''entirely'' about learning how to edit. My first thoughts on this are:
#The buttons aren't clearly labelled (they aren't a different color to the rest of the header)
#There are four different links. This could be a bit confusing for visitors as they don't know what to click - and therefore might not become editors.
#I'd imagine the majority of users '''want to read the CRW, not contribute''' and maybe don't even know why they should. Introducing editing later instead of the moment you read the MP seems to be better, as visitors will not know how to read anything. The question is, how do we introduce it later? I don't know, maybe article notices will help with that.

After, there are browsing links which get you to different categories (which, by the way, I hate categories for navigation, people won't know what to read that way) and '''yet another box saying how you can edit'''. Then, there's the Top Articles. I'd much rather this would be the first thing people see, as they are actual works of art instead of saying 'Hey! Contribute to this wiki you've never seen before! Also, these are some random links that lead into stubs for you to read. Also, why not learn how to help?' All this being before the top articles. Wow, the MP is worse than I thought. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:17, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:Just as I made this, [[Discussion forum]] was made. WOW, that is ironic timing and shows how hard it is to navigate the main page and other parts. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:26, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::Now at [[User:StefanL38/Discussion forum]] [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:52, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

Category:Open RfC

2026-03-06T16:35:07Z

Keith: Created page with "Category:CRW"

[[Category:CRW]]

Consumer Rights Wiki talk:RfC - new user experience

2026-03-06T16:34:31Z

Keith:

Consumer Rights Wiki talk:RfC - site navigability

2026-03-06T16:34:10Z

Keith: added category

This page contains a [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment#What_an_RfC_is|Request for Comment]]. Please use the 'add topic'/'reply' features to start and engage in discussion relating to the topic at hand.
==Site navigability==
This RfC is intended for editors to both comment and coordinate on any aspects of the process of navigating the wiki they feel could be improved, or to discuss improvements they would like to make to the CRW themselves.
[[Category:Open_RfC]]
----
==AnotherConsumerRightsPerson's thoughts==
I'll start this off. I'll need a bit longer to properly gather some thoughts, but I've decided to have a look at the main page when you first login to the wiki, and think of what you see first. You see a welcome with a blue link that leads to the mission statement of the wiki, with some text explaining what it's for, and then the next thing you see is ''entirely'' about learning how to edit. My first thoughts on this are:
#The buttons aren't clearly labelled (they aren't a different color to the rest of the header)
#There are four different links. This could be a bit confusing for visitors as they don't know what to click - and therefore might not become editors.
#I'd imagine the majority of users '''want to read the CRW, not contribute''' and maybe don't even know why they should. Introducing editing later instead of the moment you read the MP seems to be better, as visitors will not know how to read anything. The question is, how do we introduce it later? I don't know, maybe article notices will help with that.

After, there are browsing links which get you to different categories (which, by the way, I hate categories for navigation, people won't know what to read that way) and '''yet another box saying how you can edit'''. Then, there's the Top Articles. I'd much rather this would be the first thing people see, as they are actual works of art instead of saying 'Hey! Contribute to this wiki you've never seen before! Also, these are some random links that lead into stubs for you to read. Also, why not learn how to help?' All this being before the top articles. Wow, the MP is worse than I thought. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:17, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:Just as I made this, [[Discussion forum]] was made. WOW, that is ironic timing and shows how hard it is to navigate the main page and other parts. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:26, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::Now at [[User:StefanL38/Discussion forum]] [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:52, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

Consumer Rights Wiki:Wiki policy index

2026-03-06T16:27:14Z

Keith: added mod applications link

This page contains a list of all current Consumer Rights Wiki policy documents. If you believe that a document is here by error, spot an inconsistency within the policies, or believe that a document is missing, please let an admin know via the [[Consumer Rights Wiki talk:Moderators' noticeboard|Moderators' noticeboard]], or via the [https://discord.gg/ypUk97Fn79 Discord].

==Mission statement==
*[[Mission statement|Mission statement]]

==Writing guidelines==
The following pages contain guidelines for writing articles:

*[[Consumer_Rights_Wiki:Article Types|Article types]] - contains an overview of the different article types on the Wiki, and when it is appropriate to create them
*[[Consumer_Rights_Wiki:Inclusion guidelines|Inclusion guidelines]] - contains further guidelines on what makes an article or topic suitable for the Wiki
*[[Consumer_Rights_Wiki:Editorial guidelines|Editorial guidelines]] - contains a high-level view of how content on the wiki should be written, as well as guidelines on sourcing
**[[Consumer Rights Wiki:Verifiability|Verifiability]] - contains guidelines on sourcing
*[[Consumer_Rights_Wiki:Wiki content policies|Wiki content policies]] - contains our interpretation of Wikipedia's three main content policies: NPOV, Verifiability, and NOR
*[[Consumer_Rights_Wiki:Style guide|Style guide]] - contains information about writing and formatting standards for the Wiki
*[[Consumer_Rights_Wiki:Moderator guidelines|Moderator guidelines]] - contains guidelines on the enforcement of Wiki policy
*[[Consumer_Rights_Wiki:Living persons policy|Living persons policy]] - contains guidance for writing articles on, or relating to, living people
*[[Consumer_Rights_Wiki:Tools for writing articles|Tools for writing articles]] - contains information on useful tools for writing articles
*[[Consumer Rights Wiki:AI usage policy|AI usage policy]] - contains advice for how to approach the use of AI when editing the Wiki

==Other guidelines==

*[[Consumer Rights Wiki:Rules|Rules]] - contains general rules for the wiki
*[[Consumer_Rights_Wiki:Categorization|Categorization]] - contains guidelines on how categories should be applied to articles, detailing the Wiki's categorization system
*[[Consumer_Rights_Wiki:Talk page guidelines|Talk page guidelines]] - contains guidelines on using talk pages
*[[Consumer_Rights_Wiki:Conflict_of_interest_policy|Conflict of interest policy]] - how to engage with pages you have a personal interest in

==Special pages==
The following pages contain other useful information or functionality for contributors:

*[[Top Contributors|Top contributors]] - contains a leaderboard of the most active contributors
*[[Consumer_Rights_Wiki_Talk:Bugs|Bugs]] - for bug reports and discussions
*[[Louis Rossmann - Video Directory|Louis Rossmann video directory]] - contains a list of Louis' videos, which may be worth converting into wiki articles
*[[CRW Team|Staff List]] - this lists the people who are part of the CRW team.
*[[Consumer Rights Wiki talk:Moderators' noticeboard|Moderators' noticeboard]] - communicate with the moderation team
*[[Consumer Rights Wiki:Moderator_applications|Moderator applications]] - Apply to join the mod team!

==Legal==

*[[Consumer_Rights_Wiki:Copyrights|Copyrights]]
*[[Consumer_Rights_Wiki:General disclaimer|General disclaimer]]
*[[Consumer_Rights_Wiki:Privacy policy|Privacy policy]]

User talk:Keith

2026-03-06T16:24:24Z

Keith: /* Regarding a recent article I created */ Reply

[[User:Alexa|Alexa]] ([[User talk:Alexa|talk]]) 16 May 2025

Hello @[[User:Keith|Keith]],

I'm interested in helping with the wiki, and specifically I have real world example, but would like to check if it's a good fit here or not.

And I can't talk in discord, as it's forcing me to submit my email.

Is this a good place to start conversation on adding new company, and fitness of the case.

Thank you.

∼∼∼∼

Hi @[[User:Alexa|Alexa]]!

No problem at all - go ahead and let me know what your thought is and I'll give you my thoughts on whether/how it fits on the wiki!

[[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 20:03, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

[[User:Alexa|Alexa]] ([[User talk:Alexa|talk]]) 06:36, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

@[[User:Keith|Keith]],

There is company in California that offers indoor skydiving, and obviously they have waiver to sign (with arbitration 😃), but it's not the issue I found there, but that part of that waiver is "consent" to "grant exclusive permission" to take photo/video, and use it in their promotional materials, and there is no way to sign the waiver without consenting to that photo/video permission, online form doesn't allow you to proceed. And even when we went to the place itself, staff said that "corporate doesn't allow them to print out forms to fill out, anymore, and all waivers need to be filled in online", means we can't opt out from that photo/video consent. So my kid ended up not taking that "flight", because we couldn't sign the waiver without consenting to photos.

Thank you.

[[User:Alexa|Alexa]] ([[User talk:Alexa|talk]]) 17 May 2025

@[[User:Alexa|Alexa]]

I think that fits the bill - although it's a smaller company, it fits within the frame of modern consumer protection and demonstrates how draconian the terms for even something like that can be.
Go for it! I'd probably say that this is a case where a company article can be created, and the TOS issue can be neatly summarised within it, as opposed to being a seperate incident article.

Edit: actually, I might have got ahead of myself - is this something which has been covered or discussed annywhere other than by yourself? If not, it may fall foul of the No Original Research rule, although a very basic page which basically just lays out the facts which can be established from their website and TOS, and does not provide any commentary beyond this, might be ok.

[[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 07:55, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

==Re: CAT Documentation==
[[User:Keith|@Keith]] I've replied to your message at [[User talk:Travis]]. Let me know if you'd like to discuss further approaches to organizing the documentation. [[User:Travis|Travis]] ([[User talk:Travis|talk]]) 14:43, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

==Delegating tasks==

Hello Keith,

You said at the meetup that you found it easy to delegate.

This interests me because when I was in business, I found it difficult delegate: did not believe people could not do a good enough job and I would be still responsible for the results.

Is this topic of interest to you?

∼∼∼∼

[[User:Janosabel|Janosabel]] ([[User talk:Janosabel|talk]]) 22:48, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

:I think that in the context of wikis or any kind of community project, one needs to be able to trust others to get anywhere (perhaps with some verification too at times).
:I'm under absolutely no illusion that I can do all or even much of this by myself, and we have some really talented and great people on the team!
:There's no way of achieving the results we'd want without spreading the workload and decision-making responsibility. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 09:33, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
::I understand what you mean.
::Just realised, I was speaking about me half a century ago; and not being able to trust delegees cost me a burnout. Without delegation even if imperfect, what must be done cannot be done.
::Unfortunately I cannot help by contributing to the Wiki for lack of academic training in the required writing style, but put on my talk page a witness account how supermarkets expanding to local areas are killing independent small traders.
::PS. What is the difference between <edit source> and using the <reply> button? [[User:Janosabel|Janosabel]] ([[User talk:Janosabel|talk]]) 20:05, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
:::I think the reply button just opens up a small window of the editor, and applies the signature to the message automatically? I'll have a look at what you mentioned, but I'm not sure it quite fits the theme of the Wiki, as we're keeping it focused on anti-consumer activities, rather than general issues with corporate behaviour.
:::And yes, I'll be careful on burnout! I want to avoid the combination of this and my day job driving me mad... [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 23:02, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

==Thanks and silly questions==

Hi Keith,

thanks for adding me to the confirmed users. Total newbie here, i have no idea how to properly contribute. I tried to start a discussion in the Category Leagislation Africa, not sure if it was posted.

Should i ask it directly here? or keep it in that category?

Mika, Madagascar. [[User:Mikadago|Mikadago]] ([[User talk:Mikadago|talk]]) 11:42, 16 August 2025 (UTC)

:I'm happy to reply there, though it will take a few mins to put together an answer and provide some guidance on where best to include the information [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 13:28, 16 August 2025 (UTC)

==Is the main Miku article ready to have the stub removed?==

[[Miku]]

I've been working on getting to Miku article to a better place, is there anything else you think I should add to it before the stub is removed? [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 01:20, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

:Happy to remove the incomplete notice as it's defeinitely better sourced now, but I think it might be s good idea for you to have a look at how the controversies/incidents section is laid out on the [[Netflix]] article, as the way it's done in the Miku article is a little strange, especially with the 'this article sumarizes' bits at the start of paragraphs
:In any case, thank you for the good work! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 08:46, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

==Why was my page deleted?==

I also see no notices or notifications in regard to this. I thought the whole point of this was for transparency? [[User:Slab Man|Slab Man]] ([[User talk:Slab Man|talk]]) 21:12, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

:From what I can tell you created the article with, other than the information from the form, just a couple of sentences containing an accusation without any citation or reference to support it. After around 12 hours, Mr Pollo added a deletion notice to the article, as there was virtually no information contained in the article. After a couple more days, as the article had not been edited or improved, it was deleted.
:I can't speak to the lack of notifications - usually whenever an article you've been involved in is edited, it will show up in your inbox in the top right of the screen. It's possible that the full deletion of the article resulted in it removing the notifications; I'm not exactly sure of how that interaction works [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 23:01, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
::Well I planned to add more details and citations when I had time. It can't be a draft/work in progress? You have to write everything in one go? [[User:Slab Man|Slab Man]] ([[User talk:Slab Man|talk]]) 04:44, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
:::The wiki generally expects an article to have at least a few references and all of the template parts at least partially filled in within the first few days of an article's creation. [[User:JamesTDG|JamesTDG]] ([[User talk:JamesTDG|talk]]) 05:59, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
:::I'll second what James said, and also add that it's possible to create draft pages within your user space. You do this by adding 'user:[yourname]/' to the start of the page name. This keeps it out of mainspace, meaning it is not searchable by the main search bar.
:::Currently this policy you've encountered is unwritten, so I'll add it to the moderator guidelines shortly. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 06:30, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
::::Noted. It would be great if there was a regular draft function like in almost every software. (So this doesn’t happen to other new users after their first contribution.) Honestly, after you deleted it, it felt like my contribution is unwanted. [[User:Slab Man|Slab Man]] ([[User talk:Slab Man|talk]]) 04:31, 21 August 2025 (UTC)
:::::That's fair enough - we should add some more text to the article creation flow which explains how user space works, how to make a draft article, and what the policy for handling new articles is. If you'd like, I can get the text from the deleted article and put it on your user talk page or something so you can pick it up from where you left off? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 10:37, 21 August 2025 (UTC)
::::::Thank you that would be great. Looking forward to helping out! [[User:Slab Man|Slab Man]] ([[User talk:Slab Man|talk]]) 18:32, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

==Interenet Archive stub notice seems badly placed==

Hi @[[User:Keith|Keith]], the stub notice on [[Internet Archive]] seems to be after the lead section and not before it. Can you please fix this? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:40, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

:Done! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 08:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

==Question about re-use of sources for LiveView Article==

Hey Keith,

I noticed that for the [[LiveView Technologies AI Surveillance]] article, the same source has been re-used multiple times but shows up with a different citation number. Namely the citations number 6,32, and 33 are duplicates of 4 (LVT Use Cases in Law Enforcement), 14 is a duplicate of 5 (AI-Driven Mobile Security for Every Threat), 35 is a duplicate of 8 (Fusion Centers), and 21 is a duplicate of 20 (Mobile cameras deployed at Monroe County Office Building amid security concerns)

Also the links are missing the archive URLs in the references and some don't have author first and last name or date where they are available on the site or the date is incorrect.

I have a version of the article which shrinks the list of references (citation 33 is now a re-use of citation 4 for that section for example) and also has the relevant archive links and names and dates for each reference where possible.

Should I commit the change? I know that this article may be looked at be people very soon and I'd rather get your approval to change it and have you ready to roll-back or append to it in case you don't like it. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 18:47, 26 August 2025 (UTC)

:I think I'm going to commit the change now, you're free to revert it or check it over in case I messed something up. In the event this article is mentioned at City hall on Thursday, I want it to be the best it can be.
:Thank you for helping with the wiki. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 19:03, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you! and yeah, if you notice small formating issues (especially with an article louis has been working on :P ) just go ahead and make the change - that's the way of the wiki! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:41, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
:::Small formatting issues or other non-obvious things like referencing problems* [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:41, 26 August 2025 (UTC)

==Proposal to add a section for organized meetings. (might be a better name for this)==

Hey Keith, I hope I'm not posting here again too early.

I thought about how every time Louis wants to generate interest for a particular issue with regards to getting viewers to organize, most of the time he has to do a video on it and these calls for organization when fighting for a particular issue (such as LVT tomorrow) are based in the United States.

I don't know if this already exists on the wiki (if it does, i'd like to know where it is), but do you think it would be a good idea to create a page specifically for posting the dates and instructions for showing up to demonstrations or hearings for the purposes of pushing back against anti-consumer or anti-privacy related issues? (This could be world-wide).

If someone from the UK for example wanted to organize a demonstration or have people speak at or attend an open council meeting, they would edit a row of a wiki table and list the time of the demonstration, an additional page describing the instructions or requirements to attend, and the issue that will be talked about (similar to rossmanngroup.com/clippyone).

I feel that with something like this, organizing both members of the public and members of the wiki regardless of country would be much easier and could provide a centralized and updated list of upcoming events based on user submission and moderator approval.

Let me know what you think about something like this when you're free to reply, I'd like to hear your thoughts in addition to anyone else who sees this and wants to talk about it. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 17:11, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

:It's definitely on the edge of what makes sense here, but I think that it's worth considering as it could well be useful. Might be something that will end up being done through FULU though in the end... maybe some kind of 'events noticeboard' a bit like the moderator notice could work? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 20:25, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
::An "events noticeboard" in the way you describe it with moderation is exactly what I was thinking. You're right about how it should be done through FULU directly instead of the wiki, that's a better idea.
::Thanks for your input, I appreciate it. I was just wondering if it was a completely off-the-wall idea. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 23:16, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

==BT article==

Hello Keith, remember [[BT's Digital Voice service in the UK isn't good for the Elderly|this article]]? I pinged you 16 days ago but it seems that it didn’t work and I’ve forgotten about it since. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 19:27, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

:Thanks for the reminder! as we were both in agreement, I removed the article. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 06:48, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

==Privacy notice change==

Hello Keith, I was looking through things in the Mediawiki namespace to see how backend works, when I noticed the [[Mediawiki:Footer-privacy-notice]] page and it reminded me of [[Talk:Main Page#stating "Recently updated" not particularly helpful|this on the main page]]. Can we change it quickly or does it need to be done backend? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:37, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

:We're going to do a policy update and a full review of that stuff when we update the backend tomorrow, so I'll make sure it's handled [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:01, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

==Protect Template:Welcome==

Hello, am contacting you directly as I think it is the best way to make this happen, but PLEASE protect Template:Welcome, I doubt we'll get vandalism on there but if we do and it sends a message with it we're done for... [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:06, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

:Oh, also can you make the bot substitute (make the template not change on that page even after it gets updated) the templates for the sake of preservation of the page? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:08, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks @[[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] for getting that first one!
::I think I get what you mean re. the substitution, but have no idea how to do it. Will look into it [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:30, 14 October 2025 (UTC)
:Done. Thanks for bringing it up! I'm not sure about your second question though, so I'll leave that to Keith. [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 18:26, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
::Second one is complicated, but the first one is the only important one. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:39, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

==Is it fine for me to get an alternate account?==

Edit: Have no clue why I'd need this in practice, so forget about it. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:33, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

:no worries. In answer to your question, as long as we're notified, and there are no sockpuppetry shenanigans, then the answer is yes. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:39, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

==Do you mind if I use AutoWikiBrowser on the CRW?==

Hello, I recently heard about a tool called [[wikipedia:WP:AWB|AutoWikiBrowser]] which is a semi-automated tool meant to help for repetitive smaller edits which I do a lot, do you mind if I use it and if you don't mind, should I use an alternate account for it (maybe with 'bot flag' even though it's not a bot so it doesn't show??) Edit: Also, the page to get this, [[Special:BotPasswords|BotPasswords]], lets you change grants for people/things with the password, so is it okay to let people/things with the password edit protected pages (for things like typo-fixing Project namespace pages)? It is risky if it is obtained.[[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:23, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

:Happy for you to use that! sounds like a great tool. No strong opinions on whetehr you make a separate account for it [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:11, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
::On the passwords front, I'm not sure how exactly that works. Does it give you the ability to use your own account via API? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:14, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
:::Yes, botpasswords is pretty much that. It lets you change permissions too, so I can give it only specific permissions for safety reasons. Also, as for the ‘seperate account thing’ Botpasswords (the one that I can use) gives me a new account anyway so there’s no reason for it, just me misunderstanding the usage. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 14:16, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
::::Cool, that sounds fine then! do you need me to do anything to get it set up? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:20, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::No, I’ll do it myself when I next get a chance on my PC (without any special perms as I don’t know why I’d need that!) [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 14:21, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

==Found Large Amount of 404 links for flock article==

Page link: [[Flock license plate readers]]

Hey Keith,

I was checking the sources in the above article and noticed that for a large section of it, the sources will lead directly to pages which either don't exist or result in 404. I really hope that this is just a problem on my end and isn't really the case. Below is the complete list of all sources I found that lead to 404'd pages. On the actual article page, I have also marked the following with the status of usurped for the time being.

{| class="wikitable"
|+
!Ref #

!Title

!Issue

!Archive state

!Link

|-
|20
|"How Vehicle Fingerprint Technology Works"
|404
|no archive
|
https://www.flocksafety.com/resources/how-vehicle-fingerprint-technology-works
|-
|21
|
"License Plate Surveillance Company Can Now Capture Images of Vehicle Occupants' Faces"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://www.404media.co/flock-safety-can-now-capture-faces-of-vehicle-occupants/
|-
|
22
|
"Transforming Flock: Beyond License Plate Reading to Deliver Greater Insights for Solving Crime"
|
404
|
no archive
|

https://www.flocksafety.com/newsroom/transforming-flock-beyond-license-plate-reading-to-deliver-greater-insights-for-solving-crime/
|-
|
24
|
"Atlas of Surveillance: Flock Safety"
|
goes to deeplinks blog, but no article
|
no archive
|
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/04/atlas-surveillance-flock-safety
|-
|
25
|
"Leaders of a Beautiful Struggle v. Baltimore Police Department"
|
404
|no archive
|

https://www.eff.org/cases/leaders-beautiful-struggle-v-baltimore-police-department
|-
|
26
|
"Carpenter and the Evolving Fourth Amendment"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://www.law.georgetown.edu/american-criminal-law-review/wp-content/uploads/sites/15/2023/01/60-1-Carpenter-and-the-Evolving-Fourth-Amendment.pdf
|-
|
27
|
"Leaders of a Beautiful Struggle v. Baltimore Police Department"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67689711/leaders-of-a-beautiful-struggle-v-baltimore-police-department/
|-
|28
|
"Illinois Compiled Statutes - Freedom from Drone Surveillance Act"
|
404
|
no archive
|

https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs3.asp?ActID=3541&ChapterID=53
|-
|
29
|
"RSA 236:130 Automated License Plate Recognition"
|
potential 404
|
no archive
|
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XXI/236/236-130.htm
|-
|
32
|
"Surveillance firm provided ICE access to license plate reader systems"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jul/15/flock-safety-ice-license-plate-reader
|-
|
33
|
"How Flock Safety is Building a Surveillance Network for ICE"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/03/flock-safety-and-ice
|-
|
34
|
"ICE Surveillance of Immigrants and Advocates"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://americanoversight.org/investigation/ice-surveillance-of-immigrants-and-advocates/
|-
|
35
|
"ACLU Obtains Records Showing ICE Using License Plate Readers in Sanctuary Cities"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://www.aclunc.org/news/aclu-obtains-records-showing-ice-using-license-plate-readers-sanctuary-cities
|-
|
36
|
"License Plate Readers Are Creating a US-Wide Database of More Than Just Cars"
|404
|no archive
|
https://www.vice.com/en/article/license-plate-readers-abortion-clinics-texas
|-
|37
|"Reproductive Surveillance in Post-Roe America"
|404
|no archive
|https://www.surveillancewatch.io/reproductive-surveillance-post-roe/
|-
|38
|"State Shield Laws and Reproductive Privacy"
|dead site
|no archive
|https://reproductiverights.gov/shield-laws/
|-
|39
|"Flock Safety Employees Caught Misusing Access to Surveillance Network"
|404
|no archive
|https://www.wired.com/story/flock-safety-employees-misuse-access/
|-
|40
|"Audit Reveals Hundreds of Flock Safety Privacy Violations"
|404
|no archive
|https://www.techdirt.com/2024/05/15/audit-reveals-hundreds-of-flock-safety-privacy-violations/
|-
|41
|"When License Plate Readers Become Tools for Stalking"
|404
|no archive
|https://apnews.com/article/license-plate-readers-police-misuse-stalking
|-
|42
|"Detroit Officer Fired for Using City Cameras to Track Ex-Wife"
|404
|no archive
|https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/detroit-city/2024/03/officer-fired-tracking-ex-wife/
|-
|43
|"Proactive Security Disclosure Q2 2025"
|404
|no archive
|https://www.flocksafety.com/blog/proactive-security-disclosure-q2-2025
|}
If you discover no issues (or the formatting of this table turns out horrible and breaks your talk page), disregard this and remove my topic from your page. And revert the change I made to the article where I marked the mentioned links as usurped.

Hopefully if these sites really lead to nothing and it's not just me, then the table makes it easy for you to do something. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 02:52, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

:Had a bit of a dig and my suspicion, expecially since these references are all next to each other, is that there was probably some AI chicanery in the making of the article.
:Seem to be poitentially based on real pages, e.g. this one:
:https://www.eff.org/document/fourth-circuit-ruling-leaders-beautiful-struggle-v-baltimore-police-department
:is probably meant to be #25 instead of what is currently there
:I'd recommend sticking this table on the Flock talk page (if you haven't already) and letting people know they might need to look for what these links are meant to be [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:19, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
::I went ahead and added the table to the discussion tab. Should there be a notice at the top of the Flock page to make people aware? Or leave it as is? [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 17:42, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
:::Nevermind about the notice. The references were small enough to not need them for the most part. I started working on fixing some of them [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 18:30, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

==Oversighted something==

Hello, Keith! I just wanted to let you know I just gave myself the 'suppressor' user right as I oversighted what I think could be your IP address for privacy reasons. The info is at [[Special:Diff/805]]. If it isn't your IP address, feel free to revert what I just did. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 11:32, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

:I think it might have been (though very good chance it was some temp VPN/mobile IP address). In any case, thank you for spotting it! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 12:09, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

==being able to edit Discussions==

hey so I just discovered I can edit discussions. not only mine but any1 elses. is this an oversight? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 20:23, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

:Not sure - might just be how wikis are (given that edit logs are public, it's pretty easy to combat anyone trying to abuse it, same as with article vandalism)
:I'll page in @[[User:UntoK|UntoK]] in case it's something that isn't how it should be [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 23:13, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
::Nah, that's MediaWiki. Nothing unusual there. Edit Source is actually the default way to edit discussions in MediaWiki, but the interface is changed by an extension (forgot the name), so that it shows as this instead of just the edit source button. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:37, 5 December 2025 (UTC)
:::dk y I didn't notice that b4. I've been on and off w contribs so thought smth changed since my last visit. anyhow thanks for clearing up the concern. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:00, 8 December 2025 (UTC)

=="fixing" recent changes==

since the introduction of [[Template:Welcome]], [[Special:RecentChanges]] has become a graveyard of User:Talks that I have to sift through in order to double check people's work. can we please block [[User:New_user_message]] from showing up on there?

edit: the bot bypasses the "Human (not bot) active filter
[[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 22:12, 26 December 2025 (UTC)

:yeah, that's a localsettings.php part that Keith can pass on to Unto. setting $wgNewUserSuppressRC to true should work. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:50, 1 January 2026 (UTC)
::as a temp fix, [https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Special:RecentChanges?hidebots=1&namespace=3&invert=1&limit=100&days=7&enhanced=1&urlversion=2 this] should work [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:54, 1 January 2026 (UTC)
:::legend. thank you [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 18:43, 1 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Hi @[[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] - took a bit of a break over the holidays so sorry for not replying. I'll contact Unto and see if he can take a look [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:12, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::Fair enough! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:49, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::any update? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 17:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I've put Unto on it but no update. I'll chase him [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:30, 13 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Darth Sidious says "do it". [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:36, 14 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::any update? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 23:08, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I think it's been fixed? I don't see New User Message clogging up the feed anymore [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:54, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I certainly remember that we tried to fix it, and I think it seemed to work [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:54, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::oh... I was using ACRP's temp fix so I did not realize and thought it was still broken lol [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:06, 1 March 2026 (UTC)

==*sigh*==

Where are the projects (again)? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:04, 19 January 2026 (UTC)

:deja vu? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 18:42, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
::[[Consumer_Rights_Wiki_talk:Moderators%27_noticeboard#*sigh*|oh]] [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 18:48, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
:::LOL, made me chuckle seeing your replies! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:55, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
::::hey as a wise man once said "if you are good at something, never do it for free". that'll be $5 my friend [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:05, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::yeah, replied on the noticeboard, but just adding here - I think an update must have broken it. have contacted Unto [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 01:07, 20 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] @[[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] Fixed! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:52, 20 January 2026 (UTC)

==sorry for the ping==

I used the intro text from [[Texas Attorney General sues multiple TV makers over ACR user data collection]] to add to the Incidents section for each of the mentioned companies. In the edit summary I linked you. Ik that @ and [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 22:33, 21 January 2026 (UTC) ping the user but idk abt linking. regardless sorry abt the pings

:th happened here? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 22:34, 21 January 2026 (UTC)
::No worries! I don't think @s in edit summaries cause pings anyway [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 22:37, 21 January 2026 (UTC)

==alternative to Discord==

I don't use Discord. many members of the wiki don't use Discord. can't talk on their behalf but I can mine. if there was a Matrix or heck Signal gc (lol), I'd love to be a part of it. are there any plans for migration off Discord or perhaps providing w an alternative they'd be more comfortable with? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:32, 23 January 2026 (UTC)

:We're hoping to get a Zulip bridge with the Discord in the next couple of months. This would allow people to essentially join the Discord without joining the Discord, with the exception of a couple of features like bot commands and voice channels. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 08:19, 24 January 2026 (UTC)
::lovely looking forward to it [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 09:44, 24 January 2026 (UTC)
:::is the Zulip bridge still under consideration following the impending age verification push in March? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 23:07, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
::::I've not heard of Zulip but it sounds like some sort of proxy? I'd prefer something like Matrix but that seems great too. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:44, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Zulip is a bit like a matrix/discord-y thing, and we'd use plugins to essentially crosspost everything that's sent to it to the discord and vice versa. It's still coming along but I've been crap and haven't got the server paid up yet. will try and do this next week and we can hopefully get it up shortly. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:45, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Just in case yous hadn't noticed it on the main page @[[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] @[[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]], we're moving our monthly hangout meetings from discord to zoom so as to include more of the community, and you're both welcome to join! first one is at 20:00 UTC tomorrow. if you pop me an email over to help@consumerrights.wiki, I'll send you the zoom link (son't want to posted publicly for obvious reasons) [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:50, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I've seen that, I'm not interested in joining though. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:21, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::oh I totally missed that. I'll shoot over an email and add it to my calendar but dk if I'll be able to join. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:09, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Apologies for not seeing this sooner - I'll send over a link just now! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:34, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Hi, any update on the Zulip bridge? Sorry for asking after such a short time but I'd really like to use it! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:24, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

==Can you help moving my page==

Sorry I said this 3 times or more, I got confused, can you move please, I moved it in wrong place, may I ask should I ask here instead of the pages I placed [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 21:23, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

:Thank you but should I create it in the user page just to clarify [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 21:34, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
::Don't want to be nuisance that all when doing my article [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 21:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I've replied on your user page - think it should be alright now? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 21:38, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
::::your user talk page* [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 21:38, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

==Adding categories==

Hello, please don't add categories in the visual editor as it doesn't work, instead simply type <code><nowiki>[[Category:CATEGORYNAME]]</nowiki></code> and replace CATEGORYNAME with the name of the category, otherwise it won't work. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:57, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:Apologies, thank you! I usually use source but I think there I just hit 'edit' by accident as was trying to set it up quickly. just so you know, I've replied to stefan's questions on the page he moved - thank you for moving the page he created! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 17:31, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

==Regarding a recent article I created==

Hello, Keith! I have finally decided to become a contributor here. The article I've been working on is [[Happy Bar & Grill Biometric Surveillance]]. However, when someone I've sent the link to opens it, they see the version that was last updated before I created my profile. What could be causing this? I apologise for any lack of knowledge on my part. [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 18:23, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:Unfortunately this is a problem with cloudflare's caching. If you wait a short while, or they log in, they should see the updated version. We've found a solution and will be shipping it with the next version of the wiki so that page edits are instantly reflected in cached versions of pages. Until then, it's just a case of waiting a while or logging in (logging in bypasses the cache as it needs to load user-specific elements). Great work on the article by the way! Just as a heads up, we're happy to have sources in non-english languages, so if you find any Bulgarian sources discussing it, those would be great to add to the article to demonstrate notability. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 18:42, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::Oops, apparently I was spreading misinformation on the internet regarding the exact reasons for it not being cached, but the gist is still the same, which is that logged-in users bypass the cache! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 18:48, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::Thank you for the swift reply and the explanation! It's so refreshing to see people working hard and helping others for a good cause. Also very happy to hear that you like how the article has turned out so far. I've extensively searched for any other sources regarding the issue, but found nothing. I guess someone has to start the discussion! :D
::Just to confirm: is the wiki English-only? I'd love to make the article more accessible to my compatriots, but I suppose I'll just tell them to use the automatic translation option on their browser. [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 21:05, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The wiki is english only yeah, for moderation purposes (we don't have a team that's reliably able to check the quality of non-english articles). if you wanted, though, we'd be happy for you to put a bulgarian version in your user space (i.e. the page lives at consumerrights.wiki/w/User:Juuns/[pagename]) - just make sure to put a note in english at the top so that none of the mods mistake it for a spam article! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 22:48, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Hey there, thanks for the advice! Is that alright? https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Iw/User:Juuns/%D0%91%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%BE_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BB%D1%8E%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%B2_Happy_Bar_%26_Grill_-_bg_translation_of_an_existing_article/&veaction=edit [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 08:35, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Yep! The URL looks cursed written out like that lol but it's in the right place [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:24, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

==Stub Pains==

Hey Keith,

I'm way out of my depth here with these stub notices, I added a stub to two new articles I made not realizing they would literally prevent my ability to add any text to the article.

links: [[AirPods Connection Vulnerability]] | [[AirPods Max Moisture Issue]]

When I attempt to make a change to the article, I was getting a stub deletion error. If I did something wrong, would you be able to explain what exactly happened with this so it doesn't happen again? [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 06:55, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

:(IN CASE YOU COULDN'T NOTICE, I'M NOT KEITH!) This is a common issue that users have had for a very long time now. If you edit anywhere before or on the line of the stub notice, something called the abuse filter says "nope, lol, nice try" and blocks the edit. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:18, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
::Should work now. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
:Ah, I think I did the same thing as ACRP, but the stub notices are now on their own line and not touching anything else, so there shouldn't be any further issues [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:30, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

==Publicising RfCs==

Hello, the RfCs you made haven't gotten any attention. Should we publicise them better? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:34, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

:Yeah, I'll set up some kind of hub that includes pages with the RfC category or something. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:23, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

User talk:Keith

2026-03-06T16:23:12Z

Keith: /* Publicising RfCs */ Reply

[[User:Alexa|Alexa]] ([[User talk:Alexa|talk]]) 16 May 2025

Hello @[[User:Keith|Keith]],

I'm interested in helping with the wiki, and specifically I have real world example, but would like to check if it's a good fit here or not.

And I can't talk in discord, as it's forcing me to submit my email.

Is this a good place to start conversation on adding new company, and fitness of the case.

Thank you.

∼∼∼∼

Hi @[[User:Alexa|Alexa]]!

No problem at all - go ahead and let me know what your thought is and I'll give you my thoughts on whether/how it fits on the wiki!

[[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 20:03, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

[[User:Alexa|Alexa]] ([[User talk:Alexa|talk]]) 06:36, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

@[[User:Keith|Keith]],

There is company in California that offers indoor skydiving, and obviously they have waiver to sign (with arbitration 😃), but it's not the issue I found there, but that part of that waiver is "consent" to "grant exclusive permission" to take photo/video, and use it in their promotional materials, and there is no way to sign the waiver without consenting to that photo/video permission, online form doesn't allow you to proceed. And even when we went to the place itself, staff said that "corporate doesn't allow them to print out forms to fill out, anymore, and all waivers need to be filled in online", means we can't opt out from that photo/video consent. So my kid ended up not taking that "flight", because we couldn't sign the waiver without consenting to photos.

Thank you.

[[User:Alexa|Alexa]] ([[User talk:Alexa|talk]]) 17 May 2025

@[[User:Alexa|Alexa]]

I think that fits the bill - although it's a smaller company, it fits within the frame of modern consumer protection and demonstrates how draconian the terms for even something like that can be.
Go for it! I'd probably say that this is a case where a company article can be created, and the TOS issue can be neatly summarised within it, as opposed to being a seperate incident article.

Edit: actually, I might have got ahead of myself - is this something which has been covered or discussed annywhere other than by yourself? If not, it may fall foul of the No Original Research rule, although a very basic page which basically just lays out the facts which can be established from their website and TOS, and does not provide any commentary beyond this, might be ok.

[[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 07:55, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

==Re: CAT Documentation==
[[User:Keith|@Keith]] I've replied to your message at [[User talk:Travis]]. Let me know if you'd like to discuss further approaches to organizing the documentation. [[User:Travis|Travis]] ([[User talk:Travis|talk]]) 14:43, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

==Delegating tasks==

Hello Keith,

You said at the meetup that you found it easy to delegate.

This interests me because when I was in business, I found it difficult delegate: did not believe people could not do a good enough job and I would be still responsible for the results.

Is this topic of interest to you?

∼∼∼∼

[[User:Janosabel|Janosabel]] ([[User talk:Janosabel|talk]]) 22:48, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

:I think that in the context of wikis or any kind of community project, one needs to be able to trust others to get anywhere (perhaps with some verification too at times).
:I'm under absolutely no illusion that I can do all or even much of this by myself, and we have some really talented and great people on the team!
:There's no way of achieving the results we'd want without spreading the workload and decision-making responsibility. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 09:33, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
::I understand what you mean.
::Just realised, I was speaking about me half a century ago; and not being able to trust delegees cost me a burnout. Without delegation even if imperfect, what must be done cannot be done.
::Unfortunately I cannot help by contributing to the Wiki for lack of academic training in the required writing style, but put on my talk page a witness account how supermarkets expanding to local areas are killing independent small traders.
::PS. What is the difference between <edit source> and using the <reply> button? [[User:Janosabel|Janosabel]] ([[User talk:Janosabel|talk]]) 20:05, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
:::I think the reply button just opens up a small window of the editor, and applies the signature to the message automatically? I'll have a look at what you mentioned, but I'm not sure it quite fits the theme of the Wiki, as we're keeping it focused on anti-consumer activities, rather than general issues with corporate behaviour.
:::And yes, I'll be careful on burnout! I want to avoid the combination of this and my day job driving me mad... [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 23:02, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

==Thanks and silly questions==

Hi Keith,

thanks for adding me to the confirmed users. Total newbie here, i have no idea how to properly contribute. I tried to start a discussion in the Category Leagislation Africa, not sure if it was posted.

Should i ask it directly here? or keep it in that category?

Mika, Madagascar. [[User:Mikadago|Mikadago]] ([[User talk:Mikadago|talk]]) 11:42, 16 August 2025 (UTC)

:I'm happy to reply there, though it will take a few mins to put together an answer and provide some guidance on where best to include the information [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 13:28, 16 August 2025 (UTC)

==Is the main Miku article ready to have the stub removed?==

[[Miku]]

I've been working on getting to Miku article to a better place, is there anything else you think I should add to it before the stub is removed? [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 01:20, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

:Happy to remove the incomplete notice as it's defeinitely better sourced now, but I think it might be s good idea for you to have a look at how the controversies/incidents section is laid out on the [[Netflix]] article, as the way it's done in the Miku article is a little strange, especially with the 'this article sumarizes' bits at the start of paragraphs
:In any case, thank you for the good work! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 08:46, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

==Why was my page deleted?==

I also see no notices or notifications in regard to this. I thought the whole point of this was for transparency? [[User:Slab Man|Slab Man]] ([[User talk:Slab Man|talk]]) 21:12, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

:From what I can tell you created the article with, other than the information from the form, just a couple of sentences containing an accusation without any citation or reference to support it. After around 12 hours, Mr Pollo added a deletion notice to the article, as there was virtually no information contained in the article. After a couple more days, as the article had not been edited or improved, it was deleted.
:I can't speak to the lack of notifications - usually whenever an article you've been involved in is edited, it will show up in your inbox in the top right of the screen. It's possible that the full deletion of the article resulted in it removing the notifications; I'm not exactly sure of how that interaction works [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 23:01, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
::Well I planned to add more details and citations when I had time. It can't be a draft/work in progress? You have to write everything in one go? [[User:Slab Man|Slab Man]] ([[User talk:Slab Man|talk]]) 04:44, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
:::The wiki generally expects an article to have at least a few references and all of the template parts at least partially filled in within the first few days of an article's creation. [[User:JamesTDG|JamesTDG]] ([[User talk:JamesTDG|talk]]) 05:59, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
:::I'll second what James said, and also add that it's possible to create draft pages within your user space. You do this by adding 'user:[yourname]/' to the start of the page name. This keeps it out of mainspace, meaning it is not searchable by the main search bar.
:::Currently this policy you've encountered is unwritten, so I'll add it to the moderator guidelines shortly. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 06:30, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
::::Noted. It would be great if there was a regular draft function like in almost every software. (So this doesn’t happen to other new users after their first contribution.) Honestly, after you deleted it, it felt like my contribution is unwanted. [[User:Slab Man|Slab Man]] ([[User talk:Slab Man|talk]]) 04:31, 21 August 2025 (UTC)
:::::That's fair enough - we should add some more text to the article creation flow which explains how user space works, how to make a draft article, and what the policy for handling new articles is. If you'd like, I can get the text from the deleted article and put it on your user talk page or something so you can pick it up from where you left off? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 10:37, 21 August 2025 (UTC)
::::::Thank you that would be great. Looking forward to helping out! [[User:Slab Man|Slab Man]] ([[User talk:Slab Man|talk]]) 18:32, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

==Interenet Archive stub notice seems badly placed==

Hi @[[User:Keith|Keith]], the stub notice on [[Internet Archive]] seems to be after the lead section and not before it. Can you please fix this? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:40, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

:Done! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 08:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

==Question about re-use of sources for LiveView Article==

Hey Keith,

I noticed that for the [[LiveView Technologies AI Surveillance]] article, the same source has been re-used multiple times but shows up with a different citation number. Namely the citations number 6,32, and 33 are duplicates of 4 (LVT Use Cases in Law Enforcement), 14 is a duplicate of 5 (AI-Driven Mobile Security for Every Threat), 35 is a duplicate of 8 (Fusion Centers), and 21 is a duplicate of 20 (Mobile cameras deployed at Monroe County Office Building amid security concerns)

Also the links are missing the archive URLs in the references and some don't have author first and last name or date where they are available on the site or the date is incorrect.

I have a version of the article which shrinks the list of references (citation 33 is now a re-use of citation 4 for that section for example) and also has the relevant archive links and names and dates for each reference where possible.

Should I commit the change? I know that this article may be looked at be people very soon and I'd rather get your approval to change it and have you ready to roll-back or append to it in case you don't like it. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 18:47, 26 August 2025 (UTC)

:I think I'm going to commit the change now, you're free to revert it or check it over in case I messed something up. In the event this article is mentioned at City hall on Thursday, I want it to be the best it can be.
:Thank you for helping with the wiki. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 19:03, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you! and yeah, if you notice small formating issues (especially with an article louis has been working on :P ) just go ahead and make the change - that's the way of the wiki! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:41, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
:::Small formatting issues or other non-obvious things like referencing problems* [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:41, 26 August 2025 (UTC)

==Proposal to add a section for organized meetings. (might be a better name for this)==

Hey Keith, I hope I'm not posting here again too early.

I thought about how every time Louis wants to generate interest for a particular issue with regards to getting viewers to organize, most of the time he has to do a video on it and these calls for organization when fighting for a particular issue (such as LVT tomorrow) are based in the United States.

I don't know if this already exists on the wiki (if it does, i'd like to know where it is), but do you think it would be a good idea to create a page specifically for posting the dates and instructions for showing up to demonstrations or hearings for the purposes of pushing back against anti-consumer or anti-privacy related issues? (This could be world-wide).

If someone from the UK for example wanted to organize a demonstration or have people speak at or attend an open council meeting, they would edit a row of a wiki table and list the time of the demonstration, an additional page describing the instructions or requirements to attend, and the issue that will be talked about (similar to rossmanngroup.com/clippyone).

I feel that with something like this, organizing both members of the public and members of the wiki regardless of country would be much easier and could provide a centralized and updated list of upcoming events based on user submission and moderator approval.

Let me know what you think about something like this when you're free to reply, I'd like to hear your thoughts in addition to anyone else who sees this and wants to talk about it. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 17:11, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

:It's definitely on the edge of what makes sense here, but I think that it's worth considering as it could well be useful. Might be something that will end up being done through FULU though in the end... maybe some kind of 'events noticeboard' a bit like the moderator notice could work? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 20:25, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
::An "events noticeboard" in the way you describe it with moderation is exactly what I was thinking. You're right about how it should be done through FULU directly instead of the wiki, that's a better idea.
::Thanks for your input, I appreciate it. I was just wondering if it was a completely off-the-wall idea. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 23:16, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

==BT article==

Hello Keith, remember [[BT's Digital Voice service in the UK isn't good for the Elderly|this article]]? I pinged you 16 days ago but it seems that it didn’t work and I’ve forgotten about it since. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 19:27, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

:Thanks for the reminder! as we were both in agreement, I removed the article. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 06:48, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

==Privacy notice change==

Hello Keith, I was looking through things in the Mediawiki namespace to see how backend works, when I noticed the [[Mediawiki:Footer-privacy-notice]] page and it reminded me of [[Talk:Main Page#stating "Recently updated" not particularly helpful|this on the main page]]. Can we change it quickly or does it need to be done backend? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:37, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

:We're going to do a policy update and a full review of that stuff when we update the backend tomorrow, so I'll make sure it's handled [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:01, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

==Protect Template:Welcome==

Hello, am contacting you directly as I think it is the best way to make this happen, but PLEASE protect Template:Welcome, I doubt we'll get vandalism on there but if we do and it sends a message with it we're done for... [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:06, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

:Oh, also can you make the bot substitute (make the template not change on that page even after it gets updated) the templates for the sake of preservation of the page? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:08, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks @[[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] for getting that first one!
::I think I get what you mean re. the substitution, but have no idea how to do it. Will look into it [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:30, 14 October 2025 (UTC)
:Done. Thanks for bringing it up! I'm not sure about your second question though, so I'll leave that to Keith. [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 18:26, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
::Second one is complicated, but the first one is the only important one. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:39, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

==Is it fine for me to get an alternate account?==

Edit: Have no clue why I'd need this in practice, so forget about it. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:33, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

:no worries. In answer to your question, as long as we're notified, and there are no sockpuppetry shenanigans, then the answer is yes. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:39, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

==Do you mind if I use AutoWikiBrowser on the CRW?==

Hello, I recently heard about a tool called [[wikipedia:WP:AWB|AutoWikiBrowser]] which is a semi-automated tool meant to help for repetitive smaller edits which I do a lot, do you mind if I use it and if you don't mind, should I use an alternate account for it (maybe with 'bot flag' even though it's not a bot so it doesn't show??) Edit: Also, the page to get this, [[Special:BotPasswords|BotPasswords]], lets you change grants for people/things with the password, so is it okay to let people/things with the password edit protected pages (for things like typo-fixing Project namespace pages)? It is risky if it is obtained.[[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:23, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

:Happy for you to use that! sounds like a great tool. No strong opinions on whetehr you make a separate account for it [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:11, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
::On the passwords front, I'm not sure how exactly that works. Does it give you the ability to use your own account via API? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:14, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
:::Yes, botpasswords is pretty much that. It lets you change permissions too, so I can give it only specific permissions for safety reasons. Also, as for the ‘seperate account thing’ Botpasswords (the one that I can use) gives me a new account anyway so there’s no reason for it, just me misunderstanding the usage. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 14:16, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
::::Cool, that sounds fine then! do you need me to do anything to get it set up? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:20, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::No, I’ll do it myself when I next get a chance on my PC (without any special perms as I don’t know why I’d need that!) [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 14:21, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

==Found Large Amount of 404 links for flock article==

Page link: [[Flock license plate readers]]

Hey Keith,

I was checking the sources in the above article and noticed that for a large section of it, the sources will lead directly to pages which either don't exist or result in 404. I really hope that this is just a problem on my end and isn't really the case. Below is the complete list of all sources I found that lead to 404'd pages. On the actual article page, I have also marked the following with the status of usurped for the time being.

{| class="wikitable"
|+
!Ref #

!Title

!Issue

!Archive state

!Link

|-
|20
|"How Vehicle Fingerprint Technology Works"
|404
|no archive
|
https://www.flocksafety.com/resources/how-vehicle-fingerprint-technology-works
|-
|21
|
"License Plate Surveillance Company Can Now Capture Images of Vehicle Occupants' Faces"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://www.404media.co/flock-safety-can-now-capture-faces-of-vehicle-occupants/
|-
|
22
|
"Transforming Flock: Beyond License Plate Reading to Deliver Greater Insights for Solving Crime"
|
404
|
no archive
|

https://www.flocksafety.com/newsroom/transforming-flock-beyond-license-plate-reading-to-deliver-greater-insights-for-solving-crime/
|-
|
24
|
"Atlas of Surveillance: Flock Safety"
|
goes to deeplinks blog, but no article
|
no archive
|
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/04/atlas-surveillance-flock-safety
|-
|
25
|
"Leaders of a Beautiful Struggle v. Baltimore Police Department"
|
404
|no archive
|

https://www.eff.org/cases/leaders-beautiful-struggle-v-baltimore-police-department
|-
|
26
|
"Carpenter and the Evolving Fourth Amendment"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://www.law.georgetown.edu/american-criminal-law-review/wp-content/uploads/sites/15/2023/01/60-1-Carpenter-and-the-Evolving-Fourth-Amendment.pdf
|-
|
27
|
"Leaders of a Beautiful Struggle v. Baltimore Police Department"
|
404
|
no archive
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https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67689711/leaders-of-a-beautiful-struggle-v-baltimore-police-department/
|-
|28
|
"Illinois Compiled Statutes - Freedom from Drone Surveillance Act"
|
404
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no archive
|

https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs3.asp?ActID=3541&ChapterID=53
|-
|
29
|
"RSA 236:130 Automated License Plate Recognition"
|
potential 404
|
no archive
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http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XXI/236/236-130.htm
|-
|
32
|
"Surveillance firm provided ICE access to license plate reader systems"
|
404
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no archive
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jul/15/flock-safety-ice-license-plate-reader
|-
|
33
|
"How Flock Safety is Building a Surveillance Network for ICE"
|
404
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no archive
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https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/03/flock-safety-and-ice
|-
|
34
|
"ICE Surveillance of Immigrants and Advocates"
|
404
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no archive
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https://americanoversight.org/investigation/ice-surveillance-of-immigrants-and-advocates/
|-
|
35
|
"ACLU Obtains Records Showing ICE Using License Plate Readers in Sanctuary Cities"
|
404
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no archive
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https://www.aclunc.org/news/aclu-obtains-records-showing-ice-using-license-plate-readers-sanctuary-cities
|-
|
36
|
"License Plate Readers Are Creating a US-Wide Database of More Than Just Cars"
|404
|no archive
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|"Reproductive Surveillance in Post-Roe America"
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|"State Shield Laws and Reproductive Privacy"
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|"Flock Safety Employees Caught Misusing Access to Surveillance Network"
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|"Audit Reveals Hundreds of Flock Safety Privacy Violations"
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|"When License Plate Readers Become Tools for Stalking"
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|"Detroit Officer Fired for Using City Cameras to Track Ex-Wife"
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If you discover no issues (or the formatting of this table turns out horrible and breaks your talk page), disregard this and remove my topic from your page. And revert the change I made to the article where I marked the mentioned links as usurped.

Hopefully if these sites really lead to nothing and it's not just me, then the table makes it easy for you to do something. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 02:52, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

:Had a bit of a dig and my suspicion, expecially since these references are all next to each other, is that there was probably some AI chicanery in the making of the article.
:Seem to be poitentially based on real pages, e.g. this one:
:https://www.eff.org/document/fourth-circuit-ruling-leaders-beautiful-struggle-v-baltimore-police-department
:is probably meant to be #25 instead of what is currently there
:I'd recommend sticking this table on the Flock talk page (if you haven't already) and letting people know they might need to look for what these links are meant to be [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:19, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
::I went ahead and added the table to the discussion tab. Should there be a notice at the top of the Flock page to make people aware? Or leave it as is? [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 17:42, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
:::Nevermind about the notice. The references were small enough to not need them for the most part. I started working on fixing some of them [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 18:30, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

==Oversighted something==

Hello, Keith! I just wanted to let you know I just gave myself the 'suppressor' user right as I oversighted what I think could be your IP address for privacy reasons. The info is at [[Special:Diff/805]]. If it isn't your IP address, feel free to revert what I just did. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 11:32, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

:I think it might have been (though very good chance it was some temp VPN/mobile IP address). In any case, thank you for spotting it! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 12:09, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

==being able to edit Discussions==

hey so I just discovered I can edit discussions. not only mine but any1 elses. is this an oversight? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 20:23, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

:Not sure - might just be how wikis are (given that edit logs are public, it's pretty easy to combat anyone trying to abuse it, same as with article vandalism)
:I'll page in @[[User:UntoK|UntoK]] in case it's something that isn't how it should be [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 23:13, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
::Nah, that's MediaWiki. Nothing unusual there. Edit Source is actually the default way to edit discussions in MediaWiki, but the interface is changed by an extension (forgot the name), so that it shows as this instead of just the edit source button. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:37, 5 December 2025 (UTC)
:::dk y I didn't notice that b4. I've been on and off w contribs so thought smth changed since my last visit. anyhow thanks for clearing up the concern. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:00, 8 December 2025 (UTC)

=="fixing" recent changes==

since the introduction of [[Template:Welcome]], [[Special:RecentChanges]] has become a graveyard of User:Talks that I have to sift through in order to double check people's work. can we please block [[User:New_user_message]] from showing up on there?

edit: the bot bypasses the "Human (not bot) active filter
[[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 22:12, 26 December 2025 (UTC)

:yeah, that's a localsettings.php part that Keith can pass on to Unto. setting $wgNewUserSuppressRC to true should work. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:50, 1 January 2026 (UTC)
::as a temp fix, [https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Special:RecentChanges?hidebots=1&namespace=3&invert=1&limit=100&days=7&enhanced=1&urlversion=2 this] should work [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:54, 1 January 2026 (UTC)
:::legend. thank you [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 18:43, 1 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Hi @[[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] - took a bit of a break over the holidays so sorry for not replying. I'll contact Unto and see if he can take a look [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:12, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::Fair enough! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:49, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::any update? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 17:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I've put Unto on it but no update. I'll chase him [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:30, 13 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Darth Sidious says "do it". [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:36, 14 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::any update? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 23:08, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I think it's been fixed? I don't see New User Message clogging up the feed anymore [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:54, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I certainly remember that we tried to fix it, and I think it seemed to work [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:54, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::oh... I was using ACRP's temp fix so I did not realize and thought it was still broken lol [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:06, 1 March 2026 (UTC)

==*sigh*==

Where are the projects (again)? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:04, 19 January 2026 (UTC)

:deja vu? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 18:42, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
::[[Consumer_Rights_Wiki_talk:Moderators%27_noticeboard#*sigh*|oh]] [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 18:48, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
:::LOL, made me chuckle seeing your replies! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:55, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
::::hey as a wise man once said "if you are good at something, never do it for free". that'll be $5 my friend [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:05, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::yeah, replied on the noticeboard, but just adding here - I think an update must have broken it. have contacted Unto [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 01:07, 20 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] @[[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] Fixed! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:52, 20 January 2026 (UTC)

==sorry for the ping==

I used the intro text from [[Texas Attorney General sues multiple TV makers over ACR user data collection]] to add to the Incidents section for each of the mentioned companies. In the edit summary I linked you. Ik that @ and [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 22:33, 21 January 2026 (UTC) ping the user but idk abt linking. regardless sorry abt the pings

:th happened here? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 22:34, 21 January 2026 (UTC)
::No worries! I don't think @s in edit summaries cause pings anyway [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 22:37, 21 January 2026 (UTC)

==alternative to Discord==

I don't use Discord. many members of the wiki don't use Discord. can't talk on their behalf but I can mine. if there was a Matrix or heck Signal gc (lol), I'd love to be a part of it. are there any plans for migration off Discord or perhaps providing w an alternative they'd be more comfortable with? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:32, 23 January 2026 (UTC)

:We're hoping to get a Zulip bridge with the Discord in the next couple of months. This would allow people to essentially join the Discord without joining the Discord, with the exception of a couple of features like bot commands and voice channels. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 08:19, 24 January 2026 (UTC)
::lovely looking forward to it [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 09:44, 24 January 2026 (UTC)
:::is the Zulip bridge still under consideration following the impending age verification push in March? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 23:07, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
::::I've not heard of Zulip but it sounds like some sort of proxy? I'd prefer something like Matrix but that seems great too. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:44, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Zulip is a bit like a matrix/discord-y thing, and we'd use plugins to essentially crosspost everything that's sent to it to the discord and vice versa. It's still coming along but I've been crap and haven't got the server paid up yet. will try and do this next week and we can hopefully get it up shortly. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:45, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Just in case yous hadn't noticed it on the main page @[[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] @[[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]], we're moving our monthly hangout meetings from discord to zoom so as to include more of the community, and you're both welcome to join! first one is at 20:00 UTC tomorrow. if you pop me an email over to help@consumerrights.wiki, I'll send you the zoom link (son't want to posted publicly for obvious reasons) [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:50, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I've seen that, I'm not interested in joining though. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:21, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::oh I totally missed that. I'll shoot over an email and add it to my calendar but dk if I'll be able to join. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:09, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Apologies for not seeing this sooner - I'll send over a link just now! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:34, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Hi, any update on the Zulip bridge? Sorry for asking after such a short time but I'd really like to use it! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:24, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

==Can you help moving my page==

Sorry I said this 3 times or more, I got confused, can you move please, I moved it in wrong place, may I ask should I ask here instead of the pages I placed [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 21:23, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

:Thank you but should I create it in the user page just to clarify [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 21:34, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
::Don't want to be nuisance that all when doing my article [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 21:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I've replied on your user page - think it should be alright now? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 21:38, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
::::your user talk page* [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 21:38, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

==Adding categories==

Hello, please don't add categories in the visual editor as it doesn't work, instead simply type <code><nowiki>[[Category:CATEGORYNAME]]</nowiki></code> and replace CATEGORYNAME with the name of the category, otherwise it won't work. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:57, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:Apologies, thank you! I usually use source but I think there I just hit 'edit' by accident as was trying to set it up quickly. just so you know, I've replied to stefan's questions on the page he moved - thank you for moving the page he created! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 17:31, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

==Regarding a recent article I created==

Hello, Keith! I have finally decided to become a contributor here. The article I've been working on is [[Happy Bar & Grill Biometric Surveillance]]. However, when someone I've sent the link to opens it, they see the version that was last updated before I created my profile. What could be causing this? I apologise for any lack of knowledge on my part. [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 18:23, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:Unfortunately this is a problem with cloudflare's caching. If you wait a short while, or they log in, they should see the updated version. We've found a solution and will be shipping it with the next version of the wiki so that page edits are instantly reflected in cached versions of pages. Until then, it's just a case of waiting a while or logging in (logging in bypasses the cache as it needs to load user-specific elements). Great work on the article by the way! Just as a heads up, we're happy to have sources in non-english languages, so if you find any Bulgarian sources discussing it, those would be great to add to the article to demonstrate notability. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 18:42, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::Oops, apparently I was spreading misinformation on the internet regarding the exact reasons for it not being cached, but the gist is still the same, which is that logged-in users bypass the cache! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 18:48, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::Thank you for the swift reply and the explanation! It's so refreshing to see people working hard and helping others for a good cause. Also very happy to hear that you like how the article has turned out so far. I've extensively searched for any other sources regarding the issue, but found nothing. I guess someone has to start the discussion! :D
::Just to confirm: is the wiki English-only? I'd love to make the article more accessible to my compatriots, but I suppose I'll just tell them to use the automatic translation option on their browser. [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 21:05, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The wiki is english only yeah, for moderation purposes (we don't have a team that's reliably able to check the quality of non-english articles). if you wanted, though, we'd be happy for you to put a bulgarian version in your user space (i.e. the page lives at consumerrights.wiki/w/User:Juuns/[pagename]) - just make sure to put a note in english at the top so that none of the mods mistake it for a spam article! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 22:48, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Hey there, thanks for the advice! Is that alright? https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Iw/User:Juuns/%D0%91%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%BE_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BB%D1%8E%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%B2_Happy_Bar_%26_Grill_-_bg_translation_of_an_existing_article/&veaction=edit [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 08:35, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

==Stub Pains==

Hey Keith,

I'm way out of my depth here with these stub notices, I added a stub to two new articles I made not realizing they would literally prevent my ability to add any text to the article.

links: [[AirPods Connection Vulnerability]] | [[AirPods Max Moisture Issue]]

When I attempt to make a change to the article, I was getting a stub deletion error. If I did something wrong, would you be able to explain what exactly happened with this so it doesn't happen again? [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 06:55, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

:(IN CASE YOU COULDN'T NOTICE, I'M NOT KEITH!) This is a common issue that users have had for a very long time now. If you edit anywhere before or on the line of the stub notice, something called the abuse filter says "nope, lol, nice try" and blocks the edit. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:18, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
::Should work now. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
:Ah, I think I did the same thing as ACRP, but the stub notices are now on their own line and not touching anything else, so there shouldn't be any further issues [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:30, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

==Publicising RfCs==

Hello, the RfCs you made haven't gotten any attention. Should we publicise them better? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:34, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

:Yeah, I'll set up some kind of hub that includes pages with the RfC category or something. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:23, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

User talk:Keith

2026-03-06T14:30:55Z

Keith: /* Stub Pains */ Reply

[[User:Alexa|Alexa]] ([[User talk:Alexa|talk]]) 16 May 2025

Hello @[[User:Keith|Keith]],

I'm interested in helping with the wiki, and specifically I have real world example, but would like to check if it's a good fit here or not.

And I can't talk in discord, as it's forcing me to submit my email.

Is this a good place to start conversation on adding new company, and fitness of the case.

Thank you.

∼∼∼∼

Hi @[[User:Alexa|Alexa]]!

No problem at all - go ahead and let me know what your thought is and I'll give you my thoughts on whether/how it fits on the wiki!

[[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 20:03, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

[[User:Alexa|Alexa]] ([[User talk:Alexa|talk]]) 06:36, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

@[[User:Keith|Keith]],

There is company in California that offers indoor skydiving, and obviously they have waiver to sign (with arbitration 😃), but it's not the issue I found there, but that part of that waiver is "consent" to "grant exclusive permission" to take photo/video, and use it in their promotional materials, and there is no way to sign the waiver without consenting to that photo/video permission, online form doesn't allow you to proceed. And even when we went to the place itself, staff said that "corporate doesn't allow them to print out forms to fill out, anymore, and all waivers need to be filled in online", means we can't opt out from that photo/video consent. So my kid ended up not taking that "flight", because we couldn't sign the waiver without consenting to photos.

Thank you.

[[User:Alexa|Alexa]] ([[User talk:Alexa|talk]]) 17 May 2025

@[[User:Alexa|Alexa]]

I think that fits the bill - although it's a smaller company, it fits within the frame of modern consumer protection and demonstrates how draconian the terms for even something like that can be.
Go for it! I'd probably say that this is a case where a company article can be created, and the TOS issue can be neatly summarised within it, as opposed to being a seperate incident article.

Edit: actually, I might have got ahead of myself - is this something which has been covered or discussed annywhere other than by yourself? If not, it may fall foul of the No Original Research rule, although a very basic page which basically just lays out the facts which can be established from their website and TOS, and does not provide any commentary beyond this, might be ok.

[[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 07:55, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

==Re: CAT Documentation==
[[User:Keith|@Keith]] I've replied to your message at [[User talk:Travis]]. Let me know if you'd like to discuss further approaches to organizing the documentation. [[User:Travis|Travis]] ([[User talk:Travis|talk]]) 14:43, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

==Delegating tasks==

Hello Keith,

You said at the meetup that you found it easy to delegate.

This interests me because when I was in business, I found it difficult delegate: did not believe people could not do a good enough job and I would be still responsible for the results.

Is this topic of interest to you?

∼∼∼∼

[[User:Janosabel|Janosabel]] ([[User talk:Janosabel|talk]]) 22:48, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

:I think that in the context of wikis or any kind of community project, one needs to be able to trust others to get anywhere (perhaps with some verification too at times).
:I'm under absolutely no illusion that I can do all or even much of this by myself, and we have some really talented and great people on the team!
:There's no way of achieving the results we'd want without spreading the workload and decision-making responsibility. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 09:33, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
::I understand what you mean.
::Just realised, I was speaking about me half a century ago; and not being able to trust delegees cost me a burnout. Without delegation even if imperfect, what must be done cannot be done.
::Unfortunately I cannot help by contributing to the Wiki for lack of academic training in the required writing style, but put on my talk page a witness account how supermarkets expanding to local areas are killing independent small traders.
::PS. What is the difference between <edit source> and using the <reply> button? [[User:Janosabel|Janosabel]] ([[User talk:Janosabel|talk]]) 20:05, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
:::I think the reply button just opens up a small window of the editor, and applies the signature to the message automatically? I'll have a look at what you mentioned, but I'm not sure it quite fits the theme of the Wiki, as we're keeping it focused on anti-consumer activities, rather than general issues with corporate behaviour.
:::And yes, I'll be careful on burnout! I want to avoid the combination of this and my day job driving me mad... [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 23:02, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

==Thanks and silly questions==

Hi Keith,

thanks for adding me to the confirmed users. Total newbie here, i have no idea how to properly contribute. I tried to start a discussion in the Category Leagislation Africa, not sure if it was posted.

Should i ask it directly here? or keep it in that category?

Mika, Madagascar. [[User:Mikadago|Mikadago]] ([[User talk:Mikadago|talk]]) 11:42, 16 August 2025 (UTC)

:I'm happy to reply there, though it will take a few mins to put together an answer and provide some guidance on where best to include the information [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 13:28, 16 August 2025 (UTC)

==Is the main Miku article ready to have the stub removed?==

[[Miku]]

I've been working on getting to Miku article to a better place, is there anything else you think I should add to it before the stub is removed? [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 01:20, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

:Happy to remove the incomplete notice as it's defeinitely better sourced now, but I think it might be s good idea for you to have a look at how the controversies/incidents section is laid out on the [[Netflix]] article, as the way it's done in the Miku article is a little strange, especially with the 'this article sumarizes' bits at the start of paragraphs
:In any case, thank you for the good work! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 08:46, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

==Why was my page deleted?==

I also see no notices or notifications in regard to this. I thought the whole point of this was for transparency? [[User:Slab Man|Slab Man]] ([[User talk:Slab Man|talk]]) 21:12, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

:From what I can tell you created the article with, other than the information from the form, just a couple of sentences containing an accusation without any citation or reference to support it. After around 12 hours, Mr Pollo added a deletion notice to the article, as there was virtually no information contained in the article. After a couple more days, as the article had not been edited or improved, it was deleted.
:I can't speak to the lack of notifications - usually whenever an article you've been involved in is edited, it will show up in your inbox in the top right of the screen. It's possible that the full deletion of the article resulted in it removing the notifications; I'm not exactly sure of how that interaction works [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 23:01, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
::Well I planned to add more details and citations when I had time. It can't be a draft/work in progress? You have to write everything in one go? [[User:Slab Man|Slab Man]] ([[User talk:Slab Man|talk]]) 04:44, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
:::The wiki generally expects an article to have at least a few references and all of the template parts at least partially filled in within the first few days of an article's creation. [[User:JamesTDG|JamesTDG]] ([[User talk:JamesTDG|talk]]) 05:59, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
:::I'll second what James said, and also add that it's possible to create draft pages within your user space. You do this by adding 'user:[yourname]/' to the start of the page name. This keeps it out of mainspace, meaning it is not searchable by the main search bar.
:::Currently this policy you've encountered is unwritten, so I'll add it to the moderator guidelines shortly. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 06:30, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
::::Noted. It would be great if there was a regular draft function like in almost every software. (So this doesn’t happen to other new users after their first contribution.) Honestly, after you deleted it, it felt like my contribution is unwanted. [[User:Slab Man|Slab Man]] ([[User talk:Slab Man|talk]]) 04:31, 21 August 2025 (UTC)
:::::That's fair enough - we should add some more text to the article creation flow which explains how user space works, how to make a draft article, and what the policy for handling new articles is. If you'd like, I can get the text from the deleted article and put it on your user talk page or something so you can pick it up from where you left off? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 10:37, 21 August 2025 (UTC)
::::::Thank you that would be great. Looking forward to helping out! [[User:Slab Man|Slab Man]] ([[User talk:Slab Man|talk]]) 18:32, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

==Interenet Archive stub notice seems badly placed==

Hi @[[User:Keith|Keith]], the stub notice on [[Internet Archive]] seems to be after the lead section and not before it. Can you please fix this? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:40, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

:Done! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 08:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

==Question about re-use of sources for LiveView Article==

Hey Keith,

I noticed that for the [[LiveView Technologies AI Surveillance]] article, the same source has been re-used multiple times but shows up with a different citation number. Namely the citations number 6,32, and 33 are duplicates of 4 (LVT Use Cases in Law Enforcement), 14 is a duplicate of 5 (AI-Driven Mobile Security for Every Threat), 35 is a duplicate of 8 (Fusion Centers), and 21 is a duplicate of 20 (Mobile cameras deployed at Monroe County Office Building amid security concerns)

Also the links are missing the archive URLs in the references and some don't have author first and last name or date where they are available on the site or the date is incorrect.

I have a version of the article which shrinks the list of references (citation 33 is now a re-use of citation 4 for that section for example) and also has the relevant archive links and names and dates for each reference where possible.

Should I commit the change? I know that this article may be looked at be people very soon and I'd rather get your approval to change it and have you ready to roll-back or append to it in case you don't like it. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 18:47, 26 August 2025 (UTC)

:I think I'm going to commit the change now, you're free to revert it or check it over in case I messed something up. In the event this article is mentioned at City hall on Thursday, I want it to be the best it can be.
:Thank you for helping with the wiki. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 19:03, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you! and yeah, if you notice small formating issues (especially with an article louis has been working on :P ) just go ahead and make the change - that's the way of the wiki! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:41, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
:::Small formatting issues or other non-obvious things like referencing problems* [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:41, 26 August 2025 (UTC)

==Proposal to add a section for organized meetings. (might be a better name for this)==

Hey Keith, I hope I'm not posting here again too early.

I thought about how every time Louis wants to generate interest for a particular issue with regards to getting viewers to organize, most of the time he has to do a video on it and these calls for organization when fighting for a particular issue (such as LVT tomorrow) are based in the United States.

I don't know if this already exists on the wiki (if it does, i'd like to know where it is), but do you think it would be a good idea to create a page specifically for posting the dates and instructions for showing up to demonstrations or hearings for the purposes of pushing back against anti-consumer or anti-privacy related issues? (This could be world-wide).

If someone from the UK for example wanted to organize a demonstration or have people speak at or attend an open council meeting, they would edit a row of a wiki table and list the time of the demonstration, an additional page describing the instructions or requirements to attend, and the issue that will be talked about (similar to rossmanngroup.com/clippyone).

I feel that with something like this, organizing both members of the public and members of the wiki regardless of country would be much easier and could provide a centralized and updated list of upcoming events based on user submission and moderator approval.

Let me know what you think about something like this when you're free to reply, I'd like to hear your thoughts in addition to anyone else who sees this and wants to talk about it. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 17:11, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

:It's definitely on the edge of what makes sense here, but I think that it's worth considering as it could well be useful. Might be something that will end up being done through FULU though in the end... maybe some kind of 'events noticeboard' a bit like the moderator notice could work? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 20:25, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
::An "events noticeboard" in the way you describe it with moderation is exactly what I was thinking. You're right about how it should be done through FULU directly instead of the wiki, that's a better idea.
::Thanks for your input, I appreciate it. I was just wondering if it was a completely off-the-wall idea. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 23:16, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

==BT article==

Hello Keith, remember [[BT's Digital Voice service in the UK isn't good for the Elderly|this article]]? I pinged you 16 days ago but it seems that it didn’t work and I’ve forgotten about it since. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 19:27, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

:Thanks for the reminder! as we were both in agreement, I removed the article. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 06:48, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

==Privacy notice change==

Hello Keith, I was looking through things in the Mediawiki namespace to see how backend works, when I noticed the [[Mediawiki:Footer-privacy-notice]] page and it reminded me of [[Talk:Main Page#stating "Recently updated" not particularly helpful|this on the main page]]. Can we change it quickly or does it need to be done backend? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:37, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

:We're going to do a policy update and a full review of that stuff when we update the backend tomorrow, so I'll make sure it's handled [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:01, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

==Protect Template:Welcome==

Hello, am contacting you directly as I think it is the best way to make this happen, but PLEASE protect Template:Welcome, I doubt we'll get vandalism on there but if we do and it sends a message with it we're done for... [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:06, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

:Oh, also can you make the bot substitute (make the template not change on that page even after it gets updated) the templates for the sake of preservation of the page? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:08, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks @[[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] for getting that first one!
::I think I get what you mean re. the substitution, but have no idea how to do it. Will look into it [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:30, 14 October 2025 (UTC)
:Done. Thanks for bringing it up! I'm not sure about your second question though, so I'll leave that to Keith. [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 18:26, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
::Second one is complicated, but the first one is the only important one. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:39, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

==Is it fine for me to get an alternate account?==

Edit: Have no clue why I'd need this in practice, so forget about it. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:33, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

:no worries. In answer to your question, as long as we're notified, and there are no sockpuppetry shenanigans, then the answer is yes. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:39, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

==Do you mind if I use AutoWikiBrowser on the CRW?==

Hello, I recently heard about a tool called [[wikipedia:WP:AWB|AutoWikiBrowser]] which is a semi-automated tool meant to help for repetitive smaller edits which I do a lot, do you mind if I use it and if you don't mind, should I use an alternate account for it (maybe with 'bot flag' even though it's not a bot so it doesn't show??) Edit: Also, the page to get this, [[Special:BotPasswords|BotPasswords]], lets you change grants for people/things with the password, so is it okay to let people/things with the password edit protected pages (for things like typo-fixing Project namespace pages)? It is risky if it is obtained.[[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:23, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

:Happy for you to use that! sounds like a great tool. No strong opinions on whetehr you make a separate account for it [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:11, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
::On the passwords front, I'm not sure how exactly that works. Does it give you the ability to use your own account via API? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:14, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
:::Yes, botpasswords is pretty much that. It lets you change permissions too, so I can give it only specific permissions for safety reasons. Also, as for the ‘seperate account thing’ Botpasswords (the one that I can use) gives me a new account anyway so there’s no reason for it, just me misunderstanding the usage. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 14:16, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
::::Cool, that sounds fine then! do you need me to do anything to get it set up? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:20, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::No, I’ll do it myself when I next get a chance on my PC (without any special perms as I don’t know why I’d need that!) [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 14:21, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

==Found Large Amount of 404 links for flock article==

Page link: [[Flock license plate readers]]

Hey Keith,

I was checking the sources in the above article and noticed that for a large section of it, the sources will lead directly to pages which either don't exist or result in 404. I really hope that this is just a problem on my end and isn't really the case. Below is the complete list of all sources I found that lead to 404'd pages. On the actual article page, I have also marked the following with the status of usurped for the time being.

{| class="wikitable"
|+
!Ref #

!Title

!Issue

!Archive state

!Link

|-
|20
|"How Vehicle Fingerprint Technology Works"
|404
|no archive
|
https://www.flocksafety.com/resources/how-vehicle-fingerprint-technology-works
|-
|21
|
"License Plate Surveillance Company Can Now Capture Images of Vehicle Occupants' Faces"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://www.404media.co/flock-safety-can-now-capture-faces-of-vehicle-occupants/
|-
|
22
|
"Transforming Flock: Beyond License Plate Reading to Deliver Greater Insights for Solving Crime"
|
404
|
no archive
|

https://www.flocksafety.com/newsroom/transforming-flock-beyond-license-plate-reading-to-deliver-greater-insights-for-solving-crime/
|-
|
24
|
"Atlas of Surveillance: Flock Safety"
|
goes to deeplinks blog, but no article
|
no archive
|
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/04/atlas-surveillance-flock-safety
|-
|
25
|
"Leaders of a Beautiful Struggle v. Baltimore Police Department"
|
404
|no archive
|

https://www.eff.org/cases/leaders-beautiful-struggle-v-baltimore-police-department
|-
|
26
|
"Carpenter and the Evolving Fourth Amendment"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://www.law.georgetown.edu/american-criminal-law-review/wp-content/uploads/sites/15/2023/01/60-1-Carpenter-and-the-Evolving-Fourth-Amendment.pdf
|-
|
27
|
"Leaders of a Beautiful Struggle v. Baltimore Police Department"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67689711/leaders-of-a-beautiful-struggle-v-baltimore-police-department/
|-
|28
|
"Illinois Compiled Statutes - Freedom from Drone Surveillance Act"
|
404
|
no archive
|

https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs3.asp?ActID=3541&ChapterID=53
|-
|
29
|
"RSA 236:130 Automated License Plate Recognition"
|
potential 404
|
no archive
|
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XXI/236/236-130.htm
|-
|
32
|
"Surveillance firm provided ICE access to license plate reader systems"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jul/15/flock-safety-ice-license-plate-reader
|-
|
33
|
"How Flock Safety is Building a Surveillance Network for ICE"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/03/flock-safety-and-ice
|-
|
34
|
"ICE Surveillance of Immigrants and Advocates"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://americanoversight.org/investigation/ice-surveillance-of-immigrants-and-advocates/
|-
|
35
|
"ACLU Obtains Records Showing ICE Using License Plate Readers in Sanctuary Cities"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://www.aclunc.org/news/aclu-obtains-records-showing-ice-using-license-plate-readers-sanctuary-cities
|-
|
36
|
"License Plate Readers Are Creating a US-Wide Database of More Than Just Cars"
|404
|no archive
|
https://www.vice.com/en/article/license-plate-readers-abortion-clinics-texas
|-
|37
|"Reproductive Surveillance in Post-Roe America"
|404
|no archive
|https://www.surveillancewatch.io/reproductive-surveillance-post-roe/
|-
|38
|"State Shield Laws and Reproductive Privacy"
|dead site
|no archive
|https://reproductiverights.gov/shield-laws/
|-
|39
|"Flock Safety Employees Caught Misusing Access to Surveillance Network"
|404
|no archive
|https://www.wired.com/story/flock-safety-employees-misuse-access/
|-
|40
|"Audit Reveals Hundreds of Flock Safety Privacy Violations"
|404
|no archive
|https://www.techdirt.com/2024/05/15/audit-reveals-hundreds-of-flock-safety-privacy-violations/
|-
|41
|"When License Plate Readers Become Tools for Stalking"
|404
|no archive
|https://apnews.com/article/license-plate-readers-police-misuse-stalking
|-
|42
|"Detroit Officer Fired for Using City Cameras to Track Ex-Wife"
|404
|no archive
|https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/detroit-city/2024/03/officer-fired-tracking-ex-wife/
|-
|43
|"Proactive Security Disclosure Q2 2025"
|404
|no archive
|https://www.flocksafety.com/blog/proactive-security-disclosure-q2-2025
|}
If you discover no issues (or the formatting of this table turns out horrible and breaks your talk page), disregard this and remove my topic from your page. And revert the change I made to the article where I marked the mentioned links as usurped.

Hopefully if these sites really lead to nothing and it's not just me, then the table makes it easy for you to do something. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 02:52, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

:Had a bit of a dig and my suspicion, expecially since these references are all next to each other, is that there was probably some AI chicanery in the making of the article.
:Seem to be poitentially based on real pages, e.g. this one:
:https://www.eff.org/document/fourth-circuit-ruling-leaders-beautiful-struggle-v-baltimore-police-department
:is probably meant to be #25 instead of what is currently there
:I'd recommend sticking this table on the Flock talk page (if you haven't already) and letting people know they might need to look for what these links are meant to be [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:19, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
::I went ahead and added the table to the discussion tab. Should there be a notice at the top of the Flock page to make people aware? Or leave it as is? [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 17:42, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
:::Nevermind about the notice. The references were small enough to not need them for the most part. I started working on fixing some of them [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 18:30, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

==Oversighted something==

Hello, Keith! I just wanted to let you know I just gave myself the 'suppressor' user right as I oversighted what I think could be your IP address for privacy reasons. The info is at [[Special:Diff/805]]. If it isn't your IP address, feel free to revert what I just did. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 11:32, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

:I think it might have been (though very good chance it was some temp VPN/mobile IP address). In any case, thank you for spotting it! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 12:09, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

==being able to edit Discussions==

hey so I just discovered I can edit discussions. not only mine but any1 elses. is this an oversight? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 20:23, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

:Not sure - might just be how wikis are (given that edit logs are public, it's pretty easy to combat anyone trying to abuse it, same as with article vandalism)
:I'll page in @[[User:UntoK|UntoK]] in case it's something that isn't how it should be [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 23:13, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
::Nah, that's MediaWiki. Nothing unusual there. Edit Source is actually the default way to edit discussions in MediaWiki, but the interface is changed by an extension (forgot the name), so that it shows as this instead of just the edit source button. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:37, 5 December 2025 (UTC)
:::dk y I didn't notice that b4. I've been on and off w contribs so thought smth changed since my last visit. anyhow thanks for clearing up the concern. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:00, 8 December 2025 (UTC)

=="fixing" recent changes==

since the introduction of [[Template:Welcome]], [[Special:RecentChanges]] has become a graveyard of User:Talks that I have to sift through in order to double check people's work. can we please block [[User:New_user_message]] from showing up on there?

edit: the bot bypasses the "Human (not bot) active filter
[[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 22:12, 26 December 2025 (UTC)

:yeah, that's a localsettings.php part that Keith can pass on to Unto. setting $wgNewUserSuppressRC to true should work. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:50, 1 January 2026 (UTC)
::as a temp fix, [https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Special:RecentChanges?hidebots=1&namespace=3&invert=1&limit=100&days=7&enhanced=1&urlversion=2 this] should work [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:54, 1 January 2026 (UTC)
:::legend. thank you [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 18:43, 1 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Hi @[[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] - took a bit of a break over the holidays so sorry for not replying. I'll contact Unto and see if he can take a look [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:12, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::Fair enough! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:49, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::any update? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 17:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I've put Unto on it but no update. I'll chase him [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:30, 13 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Darth Sidious says "do it". [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:36, 14 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::any update? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 23:08, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I think it's been fixed? I don't see New User Message clogging up the feed anymore [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:54, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I certainly remember that we tried to fix it, and I think it seemed to work [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:54, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::oh... I was using ACRP's temp fix so I did not realize and thought it was still broken lol [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:06, 1 March 2026 (UTC)

==*sigh*==

Where are the projects (again)? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:04, 19 January 2026 (UTC)

:deja vu? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 18:42, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
::[[Consumer_Rights_Wiki_talk:Moderators%27_noticeboard#*sigh*|oh]] [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 18:48, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
:::LOL, made me chuckle seeing your replies! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:55, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
::::hey as a wise man once said "if you are good at something, never do it for free". that'll be $5 my friend [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:05, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::yeah, replied on the noticeboard, but just adding here - I think an update must have broken it. have contacted Unto [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 01:07, 20 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] @[[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] Fixed! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:52, 20 January 2026 (UTC)

==sorry for the ping==

I used the intro text from [[Texas Attorney General sues multiple TV makers over ACR user data collection]] to add to the Incidents section for each of the mentioned companies. In the edit summary I linked you. Ik that @ and [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 22:33, 21 January 2026 (UTC) ping the user but idk abt linking. regardless sorry abt the pings

:th happened here? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 22:34, 21 January 2026 (UTC)
::No worries! I don't think @s in edit summaries cause pings anyway [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 22:37, 21 January 2026 (UTC)

==alternative to Discord==

I don't use Discord. many members of the wiki don't use Discord. can't talk on their behalf but I can mine. if there was a Matrix or heck Signal gc (lol), I'd love to be a part of it. are there any plans for migration off Discord or perhaps providing w an alternative they'd be more comfortable with? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:32, 23 January 2026 (UTC)

:We're hoping to get a Zulip bridge with the Discord in the next couple of months. This would allow people to essentially join the Discord without joining the Discord, with the exception of a couple of features like bot commands and voice channels. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 08:19, 24 January 2026 (UTC)
::lovely looking forward to it [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 09:44, 24 January 2026 (UTC)
:::is the Zulip bridge still under consideration following the impending age verification push in March? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 23:07, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
::::I've not heard of Zulip but it sounds like some sort of proxy? I'd prefer something like Matrix but that seems great too. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:44, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Zulip is a bit like a matrix/discord-y thing, and we'd use plugins to essentially crosspost everything that's sent to it to the discord and vice versa. It's still coming along but I've been crap and haven't got the server paid up yet. will try and do this next week and we can hopefully get it up shortly. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:45, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Just in case yous hadn't noticed it on the main page @[[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] @[[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]], we're moving our monthly hangout meetings from discord to zoom so as to include more of the community, and you're both welcome to join! first one is at 20:00 UTC tomorrow. if you pop me an email over to help@consumerrights.wiki, I'll send you the zoom link (son't want to posted publicly for obvious reasons) [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:50, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I've seen that, I'm not interested in joining though. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:21, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::oh I totally missed that. I'll shoot over an email and add it to my calendar but dk if I'll be able to join. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:09, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Apologies for not seeing this sooner - I'll send over a link just now! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:34, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Hi, any update on the Zulip bridge? Sorry for asking after such a short time but I'd really like to use it! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:24, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

==Can you help moving my page==

Sorry I said this 3 times or more, I got confused, can you move please, I moved it in wrong place, may I ask should I ask here instead of the pages I placed [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 21:23, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

:Thank you but should I create it in the user page just to clarify [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 21:34, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
::Don't want to be nuisance that all when doing my article [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 21:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I've replied on your user page - think it should be alright now? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 21:38, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
::::your user talk page* [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 21:38, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

==Adding categories==

Hello, please don't add categories in the visual editor as it doesn't work, instead simply type <code><nowiki>[[Category:CATEGORYNAME]]</nowiki></code> and replace CATEGORYNAME with the name of the category, otherwise it won't work. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:57, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:Apologies, thank you! I usually use source but I think there I just hit 'edit' by accident as was trying to set it up quickly. just so you know, I've replied to stefan's questions on the page he moved - thank you for moving the page he created! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 17:31, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

==Regarding a recent article I created==

Hello, Keith! I have finally decided to become a contributor here. The article I've been working on is [[Happy Bar & Grill Biometric Surveillance]]. However, when someone I've sent the link to opens it, they see the version that was last updated before I created my profile. What could be causing this? I apologise for any lack of knowledge on my part. [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 18:23, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:Unfortunately this is a problem with cloudflare's caching. If you wait a short while, or they log in, they should see the updated version. We've found a solution and will be shipping it with the next version of the wiki so that page edits are instantly reflected in cached versions of pages. Until then, it's just a case of waiting a while or logging in (logging in bypasses the cache as it needs to load user-specific elements). Great work on the article by the way! Just as a heads up, we're happy to have sources in non-english languages, so if you find any Bulgarian sources discussing it, those would be great to add to the article to demonstrate notability. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 18:42, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::Oops, apparently I was spreading misinformation on the internet regarding the exact reasons for it not being cached, but the gist is still the same, which is that logged-in users bypass the cache! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 18:48, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::Thank you for the swift reply and the explanation! It's so refreshing to see people working hard and helping others for a good cause. Also very happy to hear that you like how the article has turned out so far. I've extensively searched for any other sources regarding the issue, but found nothing. I guess someone has to start the discussion! :D
::Just to confirm: is the wiki English-only? I'd love to make the article more accessible to my compatriots, but I suppose I'll just tell them to use the automatic translation option on their browser. [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 21:05, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The wiki is english only yeah, for moderation purposes (we don't have a team that's reliably able to check the quality of non-english articles). if you wanted, though, we'd be happy for you to put a bulgarian version in your user space (i.e. the page lives at consumerrights.wiki/w/User:Juuns/[pagename]) - just make sure to put a note in english at the top so that none of the mods mistake it for a spam article! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 22:48, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Hey there, thanks for the advice! Is that alright? https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Iw/User:Juuns/%D0%91%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%BE_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BB%D1%8E%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%B2_Happy_Bar_%26_Grill_-_bg_translation_of_an_existing_article/&veaction=edit [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 08:35, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

==Stub Pains==

Hey Keith,

I'm way out of my depth here with these stub notices, I added a stub to two new articles I made not realizing they would literally prevent my ability to add any text to the article.

links: [[AirPods Connection Vulnerability]] | [[AirPods Max Moisture Issue]]

When I attempt to make a change to the article, I was getting a stub deletion error. If I did something wrong, would you be able to explain what exactly happened with this so it doesn't happen again? [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 06:55, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

:(IN CASE YOU COULDN'T NOTICE, I'M NOT KEITH!) This is a common issue that users have had for a very long time now. If you edit anywhere before or on the line of the stub notice, something called the abuse filter says "nope, lol, nice try" and blocks the edit. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:18, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
::Should work now. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
:Ah, I think I did the same thing as ACRP, but the stub notices are now on their own line and not touching anything else, so there shouldn't be any further issues [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:30, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

AirPods Max Moisture Issue

2026-03-06T14:29:54Z

Keith: moved stub notice further away from everything else

AirPods Connection Vulnerability

2026-03-06T14:29:51Z

Keith: moved stub notice further away from everything else

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THE MAIN ARTICLE IS HERE: [[AirPods]]

All Sources need to make sweet article:

- https://www.intego.com/mac-security-blog/apple-updates-airpods-and-beats-firmware-to-fix-headphone-hijacking-bug/

- https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2024-27867

- https://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2024/Jul/2

- https://web.archive.org/web/20260224082150/https://support.apple.com/en-us/120907

make sick article.
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