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Toastom: /* Missing context for Louis Rossmann mention */ new section

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Missing context for Louis Rossmann mention: new section

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	:Dark patterns are in scope - Gambling in video games or anything digital can probably work as they are used in articles, but I don’t think you can base a whole article on it. Really doubt betting at all though, but if it is very hard to cancel some random subscription you have to do?? it might be worth mentioning. I think the [[project:Inclusion guidelines\|Inclusion guidelines]] help a bit more as scope is its purpose.		:Dark patterns are in scope - Gambling in video games or anything digital can probably work as they are used in articles, but I don’t think you can base a whole article on it. Really doubt betting at all though, but if it is very hard to cancel some random subscription you have to do?? it might be worth mentioning. I think the [[project:Inclusion guidelines\|Inclusion guidelines]] help a bit more as scope is its purpose.
	:darn, i wrote an essay [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson\|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson\|talk]]) 05:32, 27 September 2025 (UTC)		:darn, i wrote an essay [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson\|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson\|talk]]) 05:32, 27 September 2025 (UTC)

			== Missing context for Louis Rossmann mention ==

			This is a very minor issue, but on this page in the "How this Wiki will be used" section, the second paragraph starts with "The base focus of the Wiki is expected to be on issues frequently discussed on Louis Rossmann’s channel..." This line doesn't explain who Louis is or why he is important or even that he is associated with the Consumer Rights Wiki at all. Ideally as this wiki grows you don't need to be a subscriber to have heard of it either. So I propose either adding some brief context for why he's mentioned or alternatively providing a link to his Youtube channel or Wikipedia page

			toastom 19:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) toastom 19:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC)

AnotherConsumerRightsPerson: /* Scope: are intentionally habit forming products in scope? */ Reply

2025-09-27T05:32:21Z

Scope: are intentionally habit forming products in scope?: Reply

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Drakeula: /* Scope: are intentionally habit forming products in scope? */

2025-09-26T16:43:37Z

Scope: are intentionally habit forming products in scope?

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	In the case of an organization such as government agencies or commissions, where that organization derives its authority from would also establish how to address its behavior. It doesn't need to be a history lesson, just the point of its inception and under what conditions it was allowed to be made, such as what specific law or action established it. [[User:MadMallard\|MadMallard]] ([[User talk:MadMallard\|talk]]) 09:33, 26 January 2025 (UTC)		In the case of an organization such as government agencies or commissions, where that organization derives its authority from would also establish how to address its behavior. It doesn't need to be a history lesson, just the point of its inception and under what conditions it was allowed to be made, such as what specific law or action established it. [[User:MadMallard\|MadMallard]] ([[User talk:MadMallard\|talk]]) 09:33, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

			== Scope: are intentionally habit forming products in scope? ==

			What about habit forming products? Do they fall within wiki scope, or out of scope, or borderline?

			Designing products to be habit forming could be considered a more sophisticated version of hindering cancellation.

			I am thinking products built on dark patterns, that manipulate or exploit the user to do things they would not otherwise do. Loot crates in video games. Betting apps.

			If this is borderline, any thoughts/clarifications on how to distinguish where this border is?

			See ''Hooked: How to Build Habit-Forming Products'' by Nir Eyal

			[https://pivot-to-ai.com/2025/06/05/generative-ai-runs-on-gambling-addiction-just-one-more-prompt-bro/ Generative AI runs on gambling addiction]

			[[User:Drakeula\|Drakeula]] ([[User talk:Drakeula\|talk]]) 16:43, 26 September 2025 (UTC)

Atsumari: /* Captcha system is bugged on user talk and discussion pages */

2025-02-04T02:45:19Z

Captcha system is bugged on user talk and discussion pages

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	I went to a user's talk page and tried to add a topic. Wrote it up, clicked to save, it asked me for some Captcha text -- but while there was a text box to enter my answer, there was no Captcha to be seen. This behaviour is consistent across other users' talk pages, as well as this very discussion page: I'm circumventing it by editing the source directly, rather than adding a topic. Yes, I manually copied the following code from another comment: [[User:Skatche\|Skatche]] ([[User talk:Skatche\|talk]]) 00:01, 27 January 2025 (EST)		I went to a user's talk page and tried to add a topic. Wrote it up, clicked to save, it asked me for some Captcha text -- but while there was a text box to enter my answer, there was no Captcha to be seen. This behaviour is consistent across other users' talk pages, as well as this very discussion page: I'm circumventing it by editing the source directly, rather than adding a topic. Yes, I manually copied the following code from another comment: [[User:Skatche\|Skatche]] ([[User talk:Skatche\|talk]]) 00:01, 27 January 2025 (EST)

			Hi; thanks for reporting this. Staff are already working on a fix for this; sorry it took someone so long to see. - [[User:Atsumari\|Atsumari]] ([[User talk:Atsumari\|talk]]) 02:45, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

	== Concern about mission statement ==		== Concern about mission statement ==

2600:1000:B129:6F6:1D7:663B:4AF2:CE7F: /* Rewriting the Main Page and some broader site organization work */

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Rewriting the Main Page and some broader site organization work

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	* Put 'main page' at the top, followed by 'All Pages', then 'Categories', then the other links below those.		* Put 'main page' at the top, followed by 'All Pages', then 'Categories', then the other links below those.
	* Add a 'Consumer Rights' navigation box with the 'R2R', Right to Privacy, and dedicated-page links that I've suggested in the ToC section above.		* Add a 'Consumer Rights' navigation box with the 'R2R', Right to Privacy, and dedicated-page links that I've suggested in the ToC section above.
			+(added by Cire)+ On mobile navigation is clunky and there's no hyperlink or similar from the main page to the All pages search section. Mobile formats are what people will have all the time. Imagine if this wiki could be an app (or shortcut) on mobile and can be as easily referenced as one would a shoping list texted to you.

	[[User:ReedyBear\|ReedyBear]] 22:50, 20 January 2025 (UTC)		[[User:ReedyBear\|ReedyBear]] 22:50, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Skatche at 05:03, 27 January 2025

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			== Captcha system is bugged on user talk and discussion pages ==

			I went to a user's talk page and tried to add a topic. Wrote it up, clicked to save, it asked me for some Captcha text -- but while there was a text box to enter my answer, there was no Captcha to be seen. This behaviour is consistent across other users' talk pages, as well as this very discussion page: I'm circumventing it by editing the source directly, rather than adding a topic. Yes, I manually copied the following code from another comment: [[User:Skatche\|Skatche]] ([[User talk:Skatche\|talk]]) 00:01, 27 January 2025 (EST)

	== Concern about mission statement ==		== Concern about mission statement ==

MadMallard at 09:33, 26 January 2025

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	[[User:ReedyBear\|ReedyBear]] 22:50, 20 January 2025 (UTC)		[[User:ReedyBear\|ReedyBear]] 22:50, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

			== Relevant biographical data ==

			This is in regards to companies and organizations. The information included about describing them should be info that supports CAT efforts. One point in particular is information that establishes a chain of responsibility for that company or organization so as to give consumers a pathway to approach problems with those most responsible for a policy or condition arising. For example the company info box I added a line item to identify if they are a public or privately held company, which would be information to establish who is responsible for the company's activities.

			In the case of an organization such as government agencies or commissions, where that organization derives its authority from would also establish how to address its behavior. It doesn't need to be a history lesson, just the point of its inception and under what conditions it was allowed to be made, such as what specific law or action established it. [[User:MadMallard\|MadMallard]] ([[User talk:MadMallard\|talk]]) 09:33, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

DrToxic at 16:19, 22 January 2025

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	: I think it'd be a much better idea if the sources WERE directly archived and/or pertinent screenshots pushed into the articles themselves so that any replicas of this wiki have them too. The Wiki likely should be easy to replicate, by the way. Maybe with published wiki dumps or such. - [[User:Anonymous]] 20 January 2025		: I think it'd be a much better idea if the sources WERE directly archived and/or pertinent screenshots pushed into the articles themselves so that any replicas of this wiki have them too. The Wiki likely should be easy to replicate, by the way. Maybe with published wiki dumps or such. - [[User:Anonymous]] 20 January 2025


			: My worry is that if we do not capture sources (and sources request to be omitted from Internet Archives), they could be lost as has happened before. Link Rot is very real..

			: I had to use internet archive to download the original software for my Linx tablets (which are now sadly considered to be e-waste), and if I could even suggest people run the tablets on original software (MS Windows 8.1), I would re-upload it to my own website, as the Linx website is dead and nothing (inclusive of Wikipedia, Internet Archive, the copper/fiber providing the connectivity even) is 100% guaranteed to stay up for the rest of forever. - [[User:DrToxic]] ([[user talk:DrToxic\|talk]]) 16:18 22 January 2025

	== What is the line in the sand for "new" consumer protection? ==		== What is the line in the sand for "new" consumer protection? ==

Imolith: /* What is the line in the sand for "new" consumer protection? */

2025-01-21T17:41:33Z

What is the line in the sand for "new" consumer protection?

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	The line is crossed when actions no longer directly reveal deceit, systemic exploitation, or a violation of consumer rights and expectations (and feelings).		The line is crossed when actions no longer directly reveal deceit, systemic exploitation, or a violation of consumer rights and expectations (and feelings).

			[[User:Imolith\|Imolith]] ([[User talk:Imolith\|talk]]) 17:41, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

	== Hiding the table of contents on the homepage ==		== Hiding the table of contents on the homepage ==

Imolith: /* What is the line in the sand for "new" consumer protection? */

2025-01-21T17:39:08Z

What is the line in the sand for "new" consumer protection?

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	: Thank you very much for the question, and I hope this provides some insight as to our stance! [[User:Keith\|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith\|talk]]) 20:59, 19 January 2025 (UTC)		: Thank you very much for the question, and I hope this provides some insight as to our stance! [[User:Keith\|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith\|talk]]) 20:59, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

			Here’s my take on this:

			The stories fall out of scope where they fail to address clear consumer deception, harm, or unethical practices that are integral to shaping consumer sentiment. This wiki, as I understand it, is about empowering consumers with knowledge of how they’ve been misled or wronged to prevent ongoing exploitation.

			For example, a company transitioning from perpetual licenses to subscriptions might be unpopular but doesn’t inherently constitute deception or malpractice—it’s a business model shift, not a lie. However, concealing predatory terms (like subscription exit fees in the case of Adobe) or breaking user trust directly impacts consumer rights (and feelings) and fits squarely within scope.

			The line is crossed when actions no longer directly reveal deceit, systemic exploitation, or a violation of consumer rights and expectations (and feelings).

	== Hiding the table of contents on the homepage ==		== Hiding the table of contents on the homepage ==