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| ==Deletion appeal "Presonus removes VSL...."== | | ==How will the CRW approach April Fool's day?== |
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| Hello, I created a few days ago a page about Presonus deleting a software that was marketed with audio interfaces. I tried making changes on the page but the captcha just wouldn't trust that I was human and wouldn't let me add content to the article that's why it was empty.
| | Hi, April Fool's day is next month and I don't want to initiate a discussion too late, so how would we approach it? My idea is 1) no jokes in articles, no exceptions and 2) clearly mark all jokes when they occur (I've made [[Template:April fools]] for this purpose). [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 19:57, 2 March 2026 (UTC) |
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| It should now have some context and references, sorry for the inconvenience. | | :If my science textbook in school gave me a QR code that ends up rickrolling me I think I'll spend longer than 1 day being distracted about it... lol |
| | :In my opinion they should be contained within user pages and other types of pages the common person never visits, like having it as an extra link under Wiki policy or something. It would be really bad if someone in power happens to see it the one day they get told to visit a page on the wiki. Just my two cents... but then again I'm pretty biased against the day anyway [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 06:56, 3 March 2026 (UTC) |
| | ::I don't even think we should have it under a link on Wiki policy, just silently add it with thr correct template the correct people internally will see it via recent changes. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:08, 3 March 2026 (UTC) |
| | :Honestly, I don't think we will be doing one this year. [[User:JamesTDG|JamesTDG]] ([[User talk:JamesTDG|talk]]) 07:29, 3 March 2026 (UTC) |
| | ::Was there one last year? I don't think there was. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:36, 3 March 2026 (UTC) |
| | :::There definitely wasn't. [[User:JamesTDG|JamesTDG]] ([[User talk:JamesTDG|talk]]) 08:29, 3 March 2026 (UTC) |
| | ::::I've deleted the template. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:10, 3 March 2026 (UTC) |
| | :::::Might be worth undeleting it... Louis came up with an idea for an April Fools, based on that Norwegian enshittification video from the other day. Basic concept is to enshittify the wiki (maybe just the main page, and with an off button, of course) for a day. I fully agree with no jokes in articles - that's just a pain to keep track of and undo, and could damage credibility if done without good taste. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 10:33, 4 March 2026 (UTC) |
| | ::::::I have had my ideas, but I'll keep them secret for now. I'll undelete it. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:54, 4 March 2026 (UTC) |
| | ::::::we could prob use the trollface as the wiki logo at least [[User:JamesTDG|JamesTDG]] ([[User talk:JamesTDG|talk]]) 04:21, 5 March 2026 (UTC) |
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| Best regards [[User:Leonneon|Leonneon]] ([[User talk:Leonneon|talk]]) 21:09, 22 August 2025 (UTC)
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| :I take it you're talking about this article [[Presonus removes VSL mixing app from VSL audio interfaces products line]] @[[User:Leonneon|Leonneon]]? I have removed the deletion notice. Thanks for making the article. '''''[[User:JackFromWisconsin|📎 JackFromWisconsin]]''''' ([[User_talk:JackFromWisconsin|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JackFromWisconsin|contribs]]) 23:15, 22 August 2025 (UTC)
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| :Yes it's the one, thank you have a great day [[User:Leonneon|Leonneon]] ([[User talk:Leonneon|talk]]) 16:31, 25 August 2025 (UTC)
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| ==Should CRW be indexed by search engines?==
| | Hello! The article [[Advertising overload]] is marked as incomplete and as relying on AI/LLMs. I believe I've addressed the original intent of both of these, though the bottom section ([[Advertising overload#Notable Examples]]) is still a stub. I think the AI status notice should be removed, and the Incomplete notice should be replaced with a Stub notice. |
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| Hello, I am writing here as I found a setting in the visual editor if you click those three lines and then ‘advanced settings’, which asks if you want a page to be indexed by search engines. I am sure that this setting is set to default, which means no on all articles (unless this was covered before and i do not know about it). I think this setting could be useful sometimes, but not always, to make the wiki easier to find and not just “I watch Louis Rossman so I know about the CRW!” and also make others learn about this in general. You can probably make a discussion about this if this wasn’t talked about before. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 19:27, 23 August 2025 (UTC)
| | Cheers! [[User:Scholar Silas|Scholar Silas]] ([[User talk:Scholar Silas|talk]]) 05:52, 12 March 2026 (UTC) |
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| :@[[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]], I did a search (on Google) for "Microsoft consumer rights wiki" and this wiki did come up in the 3rd-4th result. So I am pretty sure this wiki is indexed by search engines. I'll forward this to developers just in case. '''''[[User:JackFromWisconsin|📎 JackFromWisconsin]]''''' ([[User_talk:JackFromWisconsin|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JackFromWisconsin|contribs]]) 02:17, 24 August 2025 (UTC) | | :{{Done}} including '''completely removing both notices''', not marking it as a stub. The article overall is very long, and if a section is all to complain about on a very long article, then it's definitely not a stub. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:02, 12 March 2026 (UTC) |
| ::@[[User:JackFromWisconsin|JackFromWisconsin]] I searched this on Ecosia and I got the same thing too. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 05:52, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
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| :It appears that only our former wiki's domain, wiki.Rossmanngroup.com, is what is currently indexed on search engines. Tested this on DuckDuckGo. Query: "Nintendo Consumer Rights Wiki" [[User:JamesTDG|JamesTDG]] ([[User talk:JamesTDG|talk]]) 12:55, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
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| ::@[[User:JamesTDG|JamesTDG]] good point. I originally thought it wasn’t indexed because when i went to a newer incident article and tried searching it up, I couldn’t see it come up. I thought the default setting defaulted incident articles to not indexed after i realised other articles were indexed. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 13:06, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
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| ==Article status appeal: "The Italian digital identity wallet only supports Google-certified Android devices"== | | ==Who gets superconfirmed first?== |
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| Hello, | | Hello, starting this discussion since the new superconfirmed usergroup has been added and we need to figure out who to give it to first. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 22:07, 13 March 2026 (UTC) |
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| I've created the article [[The Italian digital identity wallet only supports Google-certified Android devices]] today in a work-in-progress state and it was flagged as a stub. I think it's ready to lose the stub status now as I've published the final draft. Could you please check? Thanks [[User:Rampant-quack-painting|Rampant-quack-painting]] ([[User talk:Rampant-quack-painting|talk]]) 21:40, 24 August 2025 (UTC) | | :Just tested it on [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsAlt]]; why can't it undelete pages? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 22:14, 13 March 2026 (UTC) |
| | ::I shall fix! [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 00:02, 15 March 2026 (UTC) |
| | :::Also @[[User:JakeL|JakeL]] is semiprotection mow allowing superconfirmed users only as well as admins and not just normal confirmed users? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:23, 15 March 2026 (UTC) |
| | ::::Yes, autoconfirmed users no longer have the semiprotected permission. This was an intentional change requested by Keith [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 16:11, 15 March 2026 (UTC) |
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| :@[[User:Rampant-quack-painting|Rampant-quack-painting]] Thank you for creating that article. I have removed the stub notice. If you want, the citations could use some work to complete them, but that's the only big thing I'm seeing wrong right now. Just adding in the author, website name, and date would go a long way in the citations. '''''[[User:JackFromWisconsin|📎 JackFromWisconsin]]''''' ([[User_talk:JackFromWisconsin|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JackFromWisconsin|contribs]]) 13:17, 25 August 2025 (UTC)
| | ==add "Quasi-Wanted" Special page== |
| ::Hi Jack, I've enriched all the citations and archived them on the Wayback Machine. Thanks [[User:Rampant-quack-painting|Rampant-quack-painting]] ([[User talk:Rampant-quack-painting|talk]]) 21:28, 25 August 2025 (UTC)
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| :::Awesome work, thanks. '''''[[User:JackFromWisconsin|📎 JackFromWisconsin]]''''' ([[User_talk:JackFromWisconsin|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JackFromWisconsin|contribs]]) 22:52, 25 August 2025 (UTC)
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| ==Remove eff digital fingerprint tool from consumer privacy tools.==
| | There are Wikipedia articles linked from many different CRW articles. It'd be nice to see which topics are candidates for a dedicated article on CRW. I say "topics", just-in-case a future update adds support for non-WP "pseudo-internal" links (because WP links are shown as "internal" even though they aren't) |
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| These tools that supposedly tell you your fingerprint are unreliable and are reccomended against in the privacyguides.org forum. They are also not listed on privacyguides.org for this and many other reasons. I think we should try not to clutter the tools section and rely on strong resources like privacyguides.org for their suggestions. [[User:Dentist5735|Dentist5735]] ([[User talk:Dentist5735|talk]]) 00:04, 25 August 2025 (UTC)
| | Apologies in advance if this is not a place for feature-requests [[User:Rudxain|Rudxain]] ([[User talk:Rudxain|talk]]) 06:23, 15 March 2026 (UTC) |
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| :Also a link to the BBB? Seriously? https://money.cnn.com/2015/09/30/news/better-business-bureau/index.html [[User:Dentist5735|Dentist5735]] ([[User talk:Dentist5735|talk]]) 00:12, 25 August 2025 (UTC)
| | ==Appeal request for Wikipedia article== |
| :@[[User:Dentist5735|Dentist5735]] I agree with this -- less clutter is best. I'll wait for others to chime in before making a change however. '''''[[User:JackFromWisconsin|📎 JackFromWisconsin]]''''' ([[User_talk:JackFromWisconsin|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JackFromWisconsin|contribs]]) 14:54, 25 August 2025 (UTC)
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| ::Happy to remove the link to the digital fingerprinting tool as I'd tend to agree that it's handled better elsewhere. I think BBB is still probably worth linking because, while a bit crap at times, it's still a major avenue for reporting consumer issues. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 12:34, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
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| ==Make CRW: Redirects for pages starting with Consumer Rights Wiki:==
| | I've been testing out the browser plugin for the last few days and noticed it popped up on Wikipedia. After reading [[Wikipedia#cite note-15]] I wanted to challenge whether this article belongs on Consumer Rights Wiki, as I don't think it fits with the [[Mission statement]] or [[Consumer Rights Wiki:Inclusion guidelines]] at time of writing. |
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| Hello. This time I am here as I hate having to write Consumer Rights Wiki: every time I need a page in that section of the wiki. Can we please have redirects to these pages where instead of Consumer Rights Wiki: we can type CRW: sort of like how Wikipedia pages have Wikipedia: and WP: for redirects? Thanks. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 11:26, 25 August 2025 (UTC)
| | Aside from mentioning that Wikipedia is big and influential (not necessarily a bad thing), there are two incidents listed. The first one relates to individual editors. The only citation for this mentions "Wikipedia has taken action against what it described as the “co-ordinated group” of fraudsters by blocking 381 accounts.". |
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| :I can forward that to the developers. Also, you can do Project: as kind of a shortcut already. '''''[[User:JackFromWisconsin|📎 JackFromWisconsin]]''''' ([[User_talk:JackFromWisconsin|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JackFromWisconsin|contribs]]) 13:19, 25 August 2025 (UTC)
| | The second one is similar, it refers to behaviour of editors - the first citation mentions "Wikipedias in all languages, including English, are open to edits by any volunteers", and also mentions that "one of the ... admins at Scots Wikipedia, has called for native speakers to contribute as the community seeks to save the project.". |
| ::From what I can tell, it's something that needs to be done on the bakend, so have passed it onto the backend folks. thanks! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 13:20, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
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| :::You can do name space redirects, but it’s generally easier for the tech side of people to do it. It’s kind of Janky to do it just through a manual redirect so if we’re gonna do it, it’s better for you to pass it to the tech folks. [[User:Atsumari|Atsumari]] ([[User talk:Atsumari|talk]]) 18:14, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
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| ==Deletion request eRUC NZ 24/7 GPS car surveillance==
| | In both cases I think this is a reasonable response from Wikipedia, they stepped in to address the issues by blocking abusive users, acknowledged the inaccuracies and called for people to help fix them. Wikipedia is free, it's hosted by a non-profit organisation and the editors are not working for Wikipedia, they are independent users of the platform. I don't think it's fair to blame them for user-generated content, and in my opinion it hurts the cause when we include articles like this alongside articles highlighting genuinely abusive business practices. [[User:DiffChar|DiffChar]] ([[User talk:DiffChar|talk]]) 23:04, 17 March 2026 (UTC) |
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| Hey guys, this is a serious issue. If the format or section is wrong I'm open to input on what to change or where to repost. Please don't just tear it down and bury this. It's a big deal much worse than most consumer issues.
| | :When this came up, I was very concerned but decided to leave it alone. Considering someone else thinks the exact same way as me, i think it's honestly a good idea atp for me to add a deletion request template (which anyone can do, by the way!) and refer back here. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:14, 18 March 2026 (UTC) |
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| [[NZ eRUC all-cars 24/7 GPS Surveillance proposal|https://consumerrights.wiki/NZ_eRUC_all-cars_24/7_GPS_Surveillance_proposal]] [[User:FredNZ|FredNZ]] ([[User talk:FredNZ|talk]]) 09:13, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
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| :Hi @[[User:FredNZ|FredNZ]], read through the [[Consumer Rights Wiki:Style guide|style guide]] and the [[Consumer Rights Wiki:Article types#Incidents|guide on incident pages]]. If you have any more questions that those pages don't answer, please ask. Thanks for making this article and helping to improve it. '''''[[User:JackFromWisconsin|📎 JackFromWisconsin]]''''' ([[User_talk:JackFromWisconsin|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JackFromWisconsin|contribs]]) 13:53, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
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| ==DCS is an unnecessary disambiguation page==
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| At [[DCS (disambiguation)]] there is a link to dCS audio ,which doesn’t have an article about it, and Deep Cycle Systems. This means it is useless and isn’t needed. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:02, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
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| :If you wanted to create some of those other pages, even if it’s just basic information, you can do so that way the disambiguation page serves more of a purpose. If you feel we need to remove the page please let us know and we can look into that and tag it properly so that people know to create articles for the pages under it or it will be deleted. [[User:Atsumari|Atsumari]] ([[User talk:Atsumari|talk]]) 18:15, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
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| ::@[[User:Atsumari|Atsumari]] I think looking at it there’s a high chance there’ll eventually be one for it in the future. I was just asking if it is relevant but from your post i think it’s fine for it to stay. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:17, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
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| ==Inclusion guidelines==
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| It appears the Inclusion Guidelines article hasn't been updated since May. Since this is a major FAQ for a lot of contributors, as well as important guidelines for what this wiki does (and doesn't) cover, it seems pretty crucial to update this article. It would also help greatly to add it to the Create a Page, How To Help, and other contributor articles. [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 12:50, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
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| :I will certainly make sure to get the other stuff members in on this, It is rather concerning that we haven't updated it for hot minute... [[User:JamesTDG|JamesTDG]] ([[User talk:JamesTDG|talk]]) 12:52, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
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| ==Protect Template:Main Page/Featured==
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| [[Template:Main Page/Featured]] should be protected to allow only administrators. Autoconfirmed/confirmed users being able to edit this seems like a recipe for disaster, especially as only admins need to edit it. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 14:17, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
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| :Thanks for letting us know. Should now be fixed. '''''[[User:JackFromWisconsin|📎 JackFromWisconsin]]''''' ([[User_talk:JackFromWisconsin|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JackFromWisconsin|contribs]]) 14:20, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
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| ==Appeal to Piefed Page Deletion==
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| Someone has marked the Piefed Page for deletion. What are some improvements that could be made to the article to potentially prevent this outcome?
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| [[Piefed]] [[User:Fierce|Fierce]] ([[User talk:Fierce|talk]]) 05:19, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
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| :The easier to deal with issue mentioned in the deletion notice surrounds the fact that the article is quite short, and is not in a standard format for a product article. This is fairly manageable, as it just needs to be reformatted into something more similar to other product articles on the wiki.
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| :The second issue is trickier: piefed's relevance to consumer protection, and general notability, needs to be justified. This is, I suspect, the main reason why it's being considered for deletion, as the other issue would only really justify a stub notice. We do not intend to have a page for every open source solution out there, and generally the only ones which have a page are very large and relevant ones like GrapheneOS (and even then there's some debate as to whether they fit on the Wiki). I'm not sure that Piefed has really has any notable consumer-related incidents to speak of, and for the page to stay I think you'd need to clearly lay out a case (ideally on its talk page, feel free to reply here or ping me if you do this) for the page's notability. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 10:45, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
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| It seems the word "despite" may be interpreted as inflammatory language. It's much easier to avoid it in the text/body of an article, but with an incident article, how can it be described when the incident in question is blatantly contradictory? i.e. "GoPro advertises waterproof cameras despite design flaw."
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| My intent is to title the incident as specific and concise as possible, which, something like "GoPro camera waterproof issue" does not do. Same with "Signal data collection" which I had re-titled to "Signal's data collection despite privacy-focused advertising." [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 18:09, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
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| :Having a look at the article mentioned, I think that it would be an appropriate title if fully supported in the text (the whole article is a bit dubious as it appears to be original research in the sense that the submitting user has drawn inferences from the product spec and warranty language, and there's no evidence of it being picked up by any media outlets or discussed by anyone other than the submitting user. There's also no evidence of an actual design flaw existing - we don't know that the camera is not fine down to 10m, only that the warranty does not fully cover it.)
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| :Answering the main topic though, if we assume that the article text did fully support the title, I think such a title would be fine. It's certainly a substantial improvement upon where it was before, and like you I can't think of another good way of wording it which is not needlessly unclear or wordy. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 09:58, 30 August 2025 (UTC)
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| ==dark mode on a template's broken==
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| [[Template:Quote_box]] been a while since it's been broken on dark mode and I reported it on it's discussion page but it's still yet to be fixed on dark mode. In my experiences the problem's rampant on both mobile and desktop. The background of the template stays white but as it's dark mode the text turns white. Which makes the text invisible. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 18:35, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
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| :I do see what you mean when I access it on mobile as I live in dark mode. It becomes a white box. I’ll wait for other staff to confirm this, but I believe we need to pass this on to the infrastructure team so a tech can look at it. This might also just be a situation where it’s a known bug with the software, but we will cross the bridge if we get to it. - [[User:Atsumari|Atsumari]] ([[User talk:Atsumari|talk]]) 18:19, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
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| ==Remove the Help: redirects==
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| There are some help: redirects to articles that were previously moved, like [[Help:Electron]]. Can we finally remove these? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 08:52, 30 August 2025 (UTC)
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| :Sure. Deleted the two redirects to mainspace articles. '''''[[User:JackFromWisconsin|📎 JackFromWisconsin]]''''' ([[User_talk:JackFromWisconsin|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JackFromWisconsin|contribs]]) 16:33, 30 August 2025 (UTC)
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| The sandbox for this doesn’t show up anywhere on the interface and is never used. We either utilise it and put it on the interface or do nothing and it just sits there.
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| [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:18, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
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| == Fixed the Sengled article page ==
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| I overhauled the article [[Sengled]] a few days ago. Please remove the Sloppy AI tag and change the Incomplete tag to StubNotice (as I believe it still needs more work, but I lack the familiarity to follow through on it). — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 22:59, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
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