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== TODO? == | ==TODO?== | ||
Things I wanted to cover in the article but haven't so far gotten around to incorporating these ideas into the article, feel free to take a stab at it or question if those need to be in the article at all: | Things I wanted to cover in the article but haven't so far gotten around to incorporating these ideas into the article, feel free to take a stab at it or question if those need to be in the article at all: | ||
* Manufacturers understandably provide some service themselves for ease of use, for consumer rights protection regarding connected products self-hosted service needs to be an '''option''', not the only way; and this particular way should probably be a last resort when manufacturer is being uncooperative (ignorant, malicious, underfunded, defunct, bankrupt or any combination of those) | *Manufacturers understandably provide some service themselves for ease of use, for consumer rights protection regarding connected products self-hosted service needs to be an '''option''', not the only way; and this particular way should probably be a last resort when manufacturer is being uncooperative (ignorant, malicious, underfunded, defunct, bankrupt or any combination of those) | ||
* ^+ Maybe showcase this from a service monopoly perspective, where vendor lock-in is effectively a monopoly on a service enforced through anti-competitive choices of proprietary APIs and protocols | *^+ Maybe showcase this from a service monopoly perspective, where vendor lock-in is effectively a monopoly on a service enforced through anti-competitive choices of proprietary APIs and protocols | ||
* Being deployed by enthusiasts, self-hosted services may not adhere as often to best deployment practices very rigorously compared to professional setups; such as having a reliable backup process, which is not strictly necessary for the service to ''function'', and self-hosters aren't typically bound by legal restrictions on ensuring data safety that could incentivize that (nor should they be); that said, companies can make similar mistakes, and legal punishment for them hinges on the consumers' ability to prove those mistakes being made in order to invoke said legal punishment | *Being deployed by enthusiasts, self-hosted services may not adhere as often to best deployment practices very rigorously compared to professional setups; such as having a reliable backup process, which is not strictly necessary for the service to ''function'', and self-hosters aren't typically bound by legal restrictions on ensuring data safety that could incentivize that (nor should they be); that said, companies can make similar mistakes, and legal punishment for them hinges on the consumers' ability to prove those mistakes being made in order to invoke said legal punishment | ||
[[User:D-side|D-side]] ([[User talk:D-side|talk]]) 15:47, 18 October 2025 (UTC) | [[User:D-side|D-side]] ([[User talk:D-side|talk]]) 15:47, 18 October 2025 (UTC) | ||
== Definition of "server" == | ==Definition of "server"== | ||
The paragraph defining "server" as a piece of software providing a service rather than a machine that runs such software 24x7 kinda sticks out of the rest of the article, being about the article itself rather than article's subject (self-hosting). Maybe needs to be moved or placed in a block of some kind, maybe needs its own page even. WDYT? [[User:D-side|D-side]] ([[User talk:D-side|talk]]) 15:50, 18 October 2025 (UTC) | The paragraph defining "server" as a piece of software providing a service rather than a machine that runs such software 24x7 kinda sticks out of the rest of the article, being about the article itself rather than article's subject (self-hosting). Maybe needs to be moved or placed in a block of some kind, maybe needs its own page even. WDYT? [[User:D-side|D-side]] ([[User talk:D-side|talk]]) 15:50, 18 October 2025 (UTC) | ||
:Reviewed the use of the term "server" throughout the article and noticed that in most places it's already qualified like "server application" and "server hardware" and tossed the paragraph (in a revision I accidentally left without a description). [[User:D-side|D-side]] ([[User talk:D-side|talk]]) 03:46, 26 February 2026 (UTC) | |||
Revision as of 03:46, 26 February 2026
TODO?
Things I wanted to cover in the article but haven't so far gotten around to incorporating these ideas into the article, feel free to take a stab at it or question if those need to be in the article at all:
- Manufacturers understandably provide some service themselves for ease of use, for consumer rights protection regarding connected products self-hosted service needs to be an option, not the only way; and this particular way should probably be a last resort when manufacturer is being uncooperative (ignorant, malicious, underfunded, defunct, bankrupt or any combination of those)
- ^+ Maybe showcase this from a service monopoly perspective, where vendor lock-in is effectively a monopoly on a service enforced through anti-competitive choices of proprietary APIs and protocols
- Being deployed by enthusiasts, self-hosted services may not adhere as often to best deployment practices very rigorously compared to professional setups; such as having a reliable backup process, which is not strictly necessary for the service to function, and self-hosters aren't typically bound by legal restrictions on ensuring data safety that could incentivize that (nor should they be); that said, companies can make similar mistakes, and legal punishment for them hinges on the consumers' ability to prove those mistakes being made in order to invoke said legal punishment
D-side (talk) 15:47, 18 October 2025 (UTC)
Definition of "server"
The paragraph defining "server" as a piece of software providing a service rather than a machine that runs such software 24x7 kinda sticks out of the rest of the article, being about the article itself rather than article's subject (self-hosting). Maybe needs to be moved or placed in a block of some kind, maybe needs its own page even. WDYT? D-side (talk) 15:50, 18 October 2025 (UTC)
- Reviewed the use of the term "server" throughout the article and noticed that in most places it's already qualified like "server application" and "server hardware" and tossed the paragraph (in a revision I accidentally left without a description). D-side (talk) 03:46, 26 February 2026 (UTC)